awesomeJ:

You're just making unnecessary emphasis.

The point is not to prove whether or not prayers brought the US' development.

What I pointed out to the guy and to you as well, is the fault in his counterargument of asking "how about....?"

Gerrard59:


Sorry, but this ends it. Instead of a nation's leaders to diversify the economy from oil, we get folks praying for OPEC and Russia to decrease output. Even when both nations had issues with their revenues' target and had no option than to cooperate. So what about when oil gets her value and demand reduced? Pray against electric vehicles?

Additionally, a weak not strong naira helps Nigeria. Only happens when the country gets to export more Nigerian-made goods, and can only happen when there is constant power supply.

Developing a country is easy esp in a century where information is at the click of the hand. We've been praying since, no change! I have nothing against prayers, but saying it aids in the development a country is false.

It was nice discussing with you.

hopefulLandlord:


Again you lack basic comprehension

In the analogy we all sought medical attention but you prayed on top of it while we didn't!
anyone with basic comprehension would've inferred that from the analogy but you apparently lack it

Again I ask, can you demonstrate prayer was responsible for US development?

hopefulLandlord:


its a sensible question to ask as "prayer was responsible for US development" is an untestable and unverifiable assertion. In such situations one needs to think outside it and observe other instances.

I still ask again, Can you demonstrate prayer is responsible for US development? If you can't then why make an assertion you can't even demonstrate? and why speculate when given other examples that some people must've prayed too in those countries?

awesomeJ:

Is it your brain or your eyes that are blind or shut?

Did you not read where I said I didn't seek medical attention?

You see why your arguments are all silly now, cos you can't even comprehend things that are obviously written let alone those that are implied. Why not just save yourself this public display of ...

hopefulLandlord:


I gave the analogy NOT you and you did seek medical attention

if we even go with your analogy it won't work in the US case! Why? even if some prayed I'm sure they worked hard and long for the development. They didn't just pray and folded their arms while watching things fall apart around them


I ask again, IS THERE ANYONE THAT CAN DEMONSTRATE PRAYER WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR US DEVELOPMENT?

awesomeJ:


It's definitely isn't sensible.

If someone says "I got to Abuja by flight"
The sensible way to question that is " What's the proof?"
Not saying "But my Dad didn't get to Abuja by flight now"

If Saying "But my dad didn't..." makes for an intelligent questioning of the argument to you, then your level of intelligence is obvious-still pretty low.

awesomeJ:

You gave a funny analogy that didn't convey my stance.
So, you'd have to go with my own analogy as that's the one that accurately represents my stance.

Do Christians tell you that our idea of prayers is to just talk and get lazy? Most answers to prayers come as wisdom that we receive to guide our actions.

hopefulLandlord:


Again, you still can't understand transportation methods can be demonstrated to have gotten people there so in that situation asking about dad would be stupid

But in case of untestable and unverifiable claim like "Prayer is responsible for US development" its sensible to ask about other countries as a way to scrutinise the claim about US

Now this is the part that's taking too long for your brain to get. Gerrard59 is asking that question in an attempt to make his own claim. If you really can't make such a claim about other developed countries then we can progress from there by asking if there's something that cuts across all developed countries which we can now scrutinise of they are responsible for development

Which is why in my analogy medical care was common among the three of us but prayer wasn't so we can scrutinise if medical care does work as cure for certain sicknesses

awesomeJ:


You're saying what doesn't follow.

The transportation analogy is the perfect form of the argument the guy made. The fault in it is what's to be corrected. There's no need asking for any demonstration of the effectiveness of prayers as I am not even making that argument with you.

Once again, this is the fault in your reasoning:

"prayers fixed US" it makes no sense to question the authenticity of that by saying "but prayers didn't fix Singapore"

hopefulLandlord:


Then your analogy does NOT represent your Stance, you're shooting yourself in the foot here

not getting lazy would be you getting the medical care and still praying but praying without medical care would be analogous to your being lazy

I hope your brain is developed enough to comprehend this

kevoh:
Please respect yourself and stop these outlandish claims. If I ask you to provide proof for these, you will become bereft of answers.

Let me ask you one simple question, Blockchain technology is a new innovative tech that will revolutionise the Fintech industry, provide proof that it is the more you look the less you see as claimed by you.


How did you arrive at this conclusion? I am interested in the steps you took in arriving at it...

hopefulLandlord:


"Prayers fixed US" is a claim, can you defend this claim or you're just spilling bull?

You keep dragging the discussion back

awesomeJ:

You're making a foolish argument.

Saying not being lazy implies getting medical attention is as foolish as saying eating implies consuming rice.

couldn't you come out of your shallow thoughts?

awesomeJ:

You know what I think?
A secondary school kid would even do much better is handling arguments.

For the last time: The point is not the argument! Sink that now, would you?

hopefulLandlord:


I'm challenging that claim, that's what brought this argument in the first place

Even an infant would know this

awesomeJ:


You're frustrated.
Go back to where I first quoted the guy, I am not making the argument. Read where you first quoted me too. He made a silly counterargument, that's all.

Relax.

If you think I'm going in circles, why not mention just one thing you've stated that I haven't addressed? just one.

hopefulLandlord:

You first quoted Gerrard59 when he said the part about prayer developing US is false! the. supported that assertion by referring you to countries that aren't known for being Christians at all

Gerrard59 is challenging the claim when you ran in and started asserting that some people in those countries might've prayed, I followed the discussion even before then

Hint: Even Asuustrike2009 that made that claim refused to back it up when challenged, I've asked for citations 2 times now and he's dodged them each time


Again, I still assert asking about other instances when an untestable, unsupported and unfalsifiable claim is made makes sense

I think I'm done here as your comprehension level is too low and its starting to make you look worse than you already are

Gerrard59:


False. Prayer doesn't develop a country. If prayers was the reason behind the US development. What about Germany, Japan, Singapore, South Korea, UAE, Bahrain, Canada etc?

@Post, I love the way majority of the posters on this thread responded. Things need to be set right. How can evil spirits be behind the crises in the country?

awesomeJ:

He didn't say "prayers develop all nations"

He said "prayers developed the US"

so bringing an argument about some countries that were developed without prayers doesn't form a suitable counterargument.

He didn't say nations couldn't develop without prayers.

By the way you can't be so sure that all those countries actually developed without prayers. Because just for the sake of one man out of the millions in a nation, God can decide to bless the entire nation. So there may have been one, two, or a few persons in those nations whose prayers had significant effects on the nations' prosperity.

Egypt rescued the world of famine at the time, how many of them prayed. Maybe just Joseph and a few others, and certainly the prayers were what gave the wisdom as regards how they could cope with the situation.

asuustrike2009:

Mr man you came to religion section not academic section. When you want to discuss academics you can continue over there. This section is strictly religious affairs

Gerrard59:


False. Prayer doesn't develop a country. If prayers was the reason behind the US development. What about Germany, Japan, Singapore, South Korea, UAE, Bahrain, Canada etc?

@Post, I love the way majority of the posters on this thread responded. Things need to be set right. How can evil spirits be behind the crises in the country?

kevoh:

So because it is religious section we should give you a pat on the back when you make silly and ridiculous claims abi? You think this is your church where Christians are scared of asking questions!

So far today alone, you have claimed spiritual controlling physical, false claims against technological advancement, and how you arrived at the conclusion that atheist were frustrated by the challenges of life. All the above relates to religion. You have not given concrete evidence for any of them, completely dodged them and you want a pat on the back for making these false and ridiculous claims.

asuustrike2009:

Mr man if you don't have reasonable thing to say pertaining religion, kindly stay clear.

awesomeJ:

Spot on where?

Why can't the two of you put your heads together and use your own "common sense" to end the crisis. Who/what is stopping you?

Baseless empty rants.

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HOW DO YOU STILL HAVE FAITH IN CHRIST, WHEN YOU DON'T LIKE RELIGION?
CHRISTIANITY IS ALL ABOUT CHRIST.
ISLAM IS ALL ABOUT ALLAH, THE FATHER OF YOUR CHRIST.

YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS CONFUSION OTHERWISE YOU'LL JUST KEEP RUNNING BACK TO THE POINT WHERE YOU STARTED.


AND THERE'S NO AFTERLIFE AFTER THIS LIFE. SORRY.

Marvyx:


You'll definitely remember this comment when you die. Heaven and earth is real and I pray you don't end up on the wrong side of eternity..

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HOW DO YOU BELIEVE I CAN REMEMBER THIS COMMENT WHEN I DIE, WHEN YOU BELIEVE THAT IN PARADISE PEOPLE DON'T RECOGNIZE PEOPLE NOR REMEMBER ANYTHING?
THE ONLY THING THEY'LL REMEMBER ARE THE LONG WHITE ROBES AND TRUMPETS OR FLUTES FOR STEADY PRAISE AND WORSHIP.

AS FOR ME AND OTHER RATIONAL HUMANS WE KNOW, AND HAVE ACCEPTED THAT THE DEAD GO NOWHERE. THEY REMAIN BURIED AND FORGOTTEN. IT'S DIFFICULT FOR RELIGIOUS PEOPLE TO ACCEPT THIS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T IMAGINE A PERMANENT END TO THIS "WONDERFUL LIFE".. THAT'S WHY YOU FOLLOW AND BELIEVE A GOD THAT PROMISES MILK AND HONEY IN PARADISE TOMORROW, BUT CANNOT FEED A STARVING CHILD TODAY.

Riversides2003:
Even as Nigerians pray reach, does it mean God doesn’t answer our prayers or what.

hopefulLandlord:
People like Olukoya are part of why we're in this sheet

These guys would encourage the country to pray its way out of issues rather than study it with commonsense and get solutions like developed countries do

hopefulLandlord:


Hehehehe

Brainwashed simpleton that believes Boko Haram, terrorism, Herdsmen killings, Land disputes etc are handiworks of some demons