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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by garetz: 5:06pm On Nov 15, 2019
GalaticHorde:
we know that and many of those republican senators are up for re election
There are much more Democrat Congressmen running in red districts than Republicans running in blue districts so if voter backlash is the fear here, then Democrat have more to lose

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by garetz: 5:07pm On Nov 15, 2019
GalaticHorde:
I intend to
Good for you

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 5:12pm On Nov 15, 2019
TheShopKeeper:


https://www.scribd.com/document/435148068/WH-releases-transcript-of-Trump-call-with-Zelensky-in-April#from_embed

...The call was made on April 21 2019, months before the 2nd call on July 25...
This part is missing from the one you posted

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by CTPlayer: 5:29pm On Nov 15, 2019
TheShopKeeper:

...How bad can this get...Trump doing what he knows best to do...tweeting...his live tweet attacking the former Ukraine Ambassador Yovanovitch being read live by Adam Schiff at the public impeachment hearing...this is another crime committed by Trump in real time - 'witness intimidation'...

That isn't a crime and if it was then Schiff committed the crime.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by CTPlayer: 5:31pm On Nov 15, 2019
Both transcripts of the April and July phone calls released no quid nothing. LOL

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by feedthenation(m): 5:31pm On Nov 15, 2019
TheShopKeeper:


https://www.scribd.com/document/435148068/WH-releases-transcript-of-Trump-call-with-Zelensky-in-April#from_embed

...The call was made on April 21 2019, months before the 2nd call on July 25...

I'm certain this transcript is not accurate, possibily doctored.

However on the first page of the transcript, it says 'caution' - telephone conversation is not verbatim transcript of a conversation.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by feedthenation(m): 5:39pm On Nov 15, 2019
CTPlayer:
Both transcripts of the April and July phone calls released no quid nothing. LOL

Look at the timeline Mister CTPlayer

The just released transcript was on April 21, just after Mr Zelenskyy was elected president of Ukraine. He was elected on April 21. This is I think will be the first phone call between the 2 presidents. It was more like a congratulatory phone call from Trump.

The July 25 was the one which featured, Trump asking Zelenskyy for a 'favor'
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by feedthenation(m): 5:48pm On Nov 15, 2019
TheShopKeeper:

...How bad can this get...Trump doing what he knows best to do...tweeting...his live tweet attacking the former Ukraine Ambassador Yovanovitch being read live by Adam Schiff at the public impeachment hearing...this is another crime committed by Trump in real time - 'witness intimidation'...

Witness Intimidation - yes another crime to be added to other impeachment crimes. A good piece of evidence if this is a court case. I'm sure the Intelligence Committee will gladly oblige.

The former Ambassador with over 30 years of foreign service working under 5 presidents of both parties. She has got more creditibily than Trump.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by CTPlayer: 5:49pm On Nov 15, 2019
feedthenation:


Look at the timeline Mister CTPlayer

The just released transcript was on April 21, just after Mr Zelenskyy was elected president of Ukraine. He was elected on April 21. This is I think will be the first phone call between the 2 presidents. It was more like a congratulatory phone call from Trump.

The July 25 was the one which featured, Trump asking Zelenskyy for a 'favor'

Yeah in the 2nd call they talked about Biden so what.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by CTPlayer: 5:50pm On Nov 15, 2019
feedthenation:


Witness Intimidation - yes another crime to be added to other impeachment crimes. A good piece of evidence if this is a court case. I'm sure the Intelligence Committee will gladly oblige.

The former Ambassador with over 30 years of foreign service working under 5 presidents of both parties. She has got more creditibily than Trump.
Hogwash that isn't a crime.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Anduku: 5:50pm On Nov 15, 2019
Lucasbalo:
I wasn't referring to you . It was the loud mouths here supporting a vile racist that don't give a damn about them. I don't have a beef with them having Biafra because i have no dog in the fight. It's probably the only reason people like Obixcel, Anduku and the other guys are blindly supporting the racist pig Trump.
You're a clown, that's all there Is to say

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by TheShopKeeper(m): 5:56pm On Nov 15, 2019
CTPlayer:
Hogwash that isn't a crime.

...read through this...

...Even Fox News critizes Trump latest tweet:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1195376844633235456

Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by kopfschmerzen12: 6:13pm On Nov 15, 2019
Roger Stones convicted on all seven count charges. Another Trumptard hit the pen.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by happney65: 6:14pm On Nov 15, 2019
And Roger stone,Another Trump Ally on his way to Prison for lieing to Congress on Behalf of Trump..If I were Republican,I will ask myself this question,What ever happened to the Republican party?What ever happened to the party of our founding fathers..A big shame on all of you..

Former Ambassador is still dropping her bombs at the live testimony..America how hath that fallen
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Anduku: 6:22pm On Nov 15, 2019
this is all you need to know about Ambassador Yovanovitch's testimony. She admits she can't bring any firsthand knowledge to:

- The 7/25 phone call

- Discussions surrounding phone call

- Discussions surrounding delay of aid

And this is the Democrats second witness

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by kopfschmerzen12: 6:24pm On Nov 15, 2019
Anduku:
this is all you need to know about Ambassador Yovanovitch's testimony. She admits she can't bring any firsthand knowledge to:

- The 7/25 phone call

- Discussions surrounding phone call

- Discussions surrounding delay of aid

And this is the Democrats second witness


Crap GOP talking points. What's up with the Rudy Ukraine operations.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Anduku: 6:24pm On Nov 15, 2019
Why Yavanovitch is testifying at all is a bit of a mystery given she has said she knows nothing, didn’t hear the phone call, and wasn’t even the ambassador anymore by the time any of the supposed misconduct took place. Adam Schiff had originally said in his “rules” that any witness must be able to speak to the quid pro quo issue. Yovanovitch simply doesn’t meet that standard at all.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by CTPlayer: 6:26pm On Nov 15, 2019
TheShopKeeper:


...read through this...

...Even Fox News critizes Trump latest tweet:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1195376844633235456



Trump said she sucked and that he can hire of fire ambassadors at his pleasure. He didn't tamper/intimidate her, didn't tell her not to say this or you have to say that.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Anduku: 6:26pm On Nov 15, 2019
kopfschmerzen12:



Crap GOP talking points. What's up with the Rudy Ukraine operations.
crap lunatic liberals talking points

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by TheShopKeeper(m): 6:31pm On Nov 15, 2019
...Another of Trump's Political Associate - (Roger Stone) found guilty on all charges...

Roger Stone found guilty on all counts in trial stemming from Mueller probe

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/roger-stone-found-guilty-in-trial-stemming-from-mueller-probe

Roger Stone was found guilty on all counts of obstruction, witness tampering and making false statements to Congress by a jury in Washington, D.C. federal court, after deliberations had been going on since Thursday morning.

The former Trump associate and longtime political operative faced charges that stemmed from Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation.

Sentencing has been set for Thursday Feb. 6.

...Guilty on obstructing a congressional investigation...guilty on making falsr statement to congress...guilty on witness tampering...guilty about lying to congress about the Wikileaks hacking/Russian Gru involvement in the 2016 election..these carry maximum charges...the list keeps getting bigger of Trump's associates who have been indicted - Paul Manafort, Mike Flynn, Rick Gates, Michael Cohen...

...Trump's russian hoax rants theory just got annihilated....by Stone guilty verdict.

Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Anduku: 6:36pm On Nov 15, 2019
TheShopKeeper:

...How bad can this get...Trump doing what he knows best to do...tweeting...his live tweet attacking the former Ukraine Ambassador Yovanovitch being read live by Adam Schiff at the public impeachment hearing...this is another crime committed by Trump in real time - 'witness intimidation'...
feedthenation:


Witness Intimidation - yes another crime to be added to other impeachment crimes. A good piece of evidence if this is a court case. I'm sure the Intelligence Committee will gladly oblige.

The former Ambassador with over 30 years of foreign service working under 5 presidents of both parties. She has got more creditibily than Trump.

if anyone is guilty of anything here it is Schiff because Yovanovitch was not on Twitter when Trump sent the tweet. She only learned about it from Schiff.

insulting someone does not = witness intimidation. It's rude but witness intimidation?! He already fired her and insulted her previously ,To assert that him sending an insulting tweet during her testimony = witness intimidation and for her to assert that she felt "threatened" by it is utterly ridiculous.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by CTPlayer: 6:37pm On Nov 15, 2019
TheShopKeeper:
...Another of Trump's Political Associate - (Roger Stone) found guilty on all 8 count charges...

Roger Stone found guilty on all counts in trial stemming from Mueller probe

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/roger-stone-found-guilty-in-trial-stemming-from-mueller-probe

Roger Stone was found guilty on all counts of obstruction, witness tampering and making false statements to Congress by a jury in Washington, D.C. federal court, after deliberations had been going on since Thursday morning.

The former Trump associate and longtime political operative faced charges that stemmed from Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation.

Sentencing has been set for Thursday Feb. 6.

...Guilty on obstructing a congressional investigation...guilty on making falsr statement to congress...guilty on witness tampering...guilty about lying to congress about the Wikileaks hacking/Russian Gru involvement in the 2016 election..these carry maximum charges...the list keeps getting bigger of Trump's associates who have been indicted - Paul Manafort, Mike Flynn, Rick Gates, Michael Cohen...

...Trump's russian hoax rants theory just got annihilated....by Stone guilty verdict.
Process crimes that had nothing to do with Russian collusion, because there wasn't any collusion. If that is the type of corrupt government, targeting political opponents, you want that is sad. Now hopefully we can get a Special Counsel appointed to investigate The Bidens/Ukraine, real stuff like kickbacks, illegal lobbying etc.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by TheShopKeeper(m): 6:38pm On Nov 15, 2019
CTPlayer:

Trump said she sucked and that he can hire of fire ambassadors at his pleasure. He didn't tamper/intimidate her, didn't tell her not to say this or you have to say that.

...I guess you will be perfectly happy if your boss in front of your colleagues and general public said that you as his employee, "is very useless and have been a very bad news"...and that he can hire or fire you at his pleasure...
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by CTPlayer: 6:49pm On Nov 15, 2019
TheShopKeeper:


...I guess you will be perfectly happy if your boss in front of your colleagues and general public said that you as his employee, "is very useless and have been a very bad news"...and that he can hire or fire you at his pleasure...
Who cares. It is a 3rd World Banana Republic bogus impeachment hearing (Legacy of Obama). Trump should give them all the middle finger.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Anduku: 6:49pm On Nov 15, 2019
TheShopKeeper:


...I guess you will be perfectly happy if your boss in front of your colleagues and general public said that you as his employee, "is very useless and have been a very bad news"...and that he can hire or fire you at his pleasure...
That would be rude but it's certainly not a criminal or impeachable offence. It is a U.S. President’s absolute right to appoint ambassadors and he can hire or fire them at his pleasure

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Anduku: 7:00pm On Nov 15, 2019
CTPlayer:
Process crimes that had nothing to do with Russian collusion, because there wasn't any collusion. If that is the type of corrupt government, targeting political opponents, you want that is sad. Now hopefully we can get a Special Counsel appointed to investigate The Bidens/Ukraine, real stuff like kickbacks, illegal lobbying etc.
I fully expect this decision to be overturned on appeal

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by happney65: 7:04pm On Nov 15, 2019
Roger Stone goes down!!!
Rudy boy is next.

Flynn
Cohen,
Manafort
Rick Gates
Papadopolous...

You only associate with Trump at your peril.

The last to go down will be the Don himself.

Bayo omisore

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by CTPlayer: 7:12pm On Nov 15, 2019
Anduku:

I fully expect this decision to be overturned on appeal
Need a new venue, new location.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Timbuktuo: 7:17pm On Nov 15, 2019
Anybody expecting Trump to be impeached needs to donate their brain to the nearest psychiatric institution for incineration.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by garetz: 7:19pm On Nov 15, 2019
TheShopKeeper:

...How bad can this get...Trump doing what he knows best to do...tweeting...his live tweet attacking the former Ukraine Ambassador Yovanovitch being read live by Adam Schiff at the public impeachment hearing...this is another crime committed by Trump in real time - 'witness intimidation'...

The president tweeting his opinion about someone & defending himself isn’t ‘witness intimidation.’ Schiff bringing it up in the middle of the hearing was the actual "witness tampering".

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by garetz: 7:25pm On Nov 15, 2019
Devin Nunes: Not sure why Yovanovitch is even here today. This is the House Intelligence Committee, not the Human Resources subcommittee for employment disputes. She didn't witness any of the events that are under discussion today. grin

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 7:32pm On Nov 15, 2019
feedthenation:


Witness Intimidation - yes another crime to be added to other impeachment crimes. A good piece of evidence if this is a court case. I'm sure the Intelligence Committee will gladly oblige.

The former Ambassador with over 30 years of foreign service working under 5 presidents of both parties. She has got more creditibily than Trump.
intimidation of which witness?
A witness that didn't witness anything

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