asuustrike2009:

Am not disputing that. What am saying is that many graduate doctors can perform well without the assistant of the so called common nurse

@bolded. You mean "can't"

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100bands:

Wetin dey pain me be say if I give you na you go use am go call Ramotu for phone

Please

100bands:

Wetin dey pain me be say if I give you na you go use am go call Ramotu for phone

lol you wicked oooooo isa broda if will just help remain bless dear.

Paperwhite:
I thought JOHESU will go against Buhari,his family & other government cronies that have failed to develop Nigeria's health institutions but rather with utter impunity have taken to medical tourism abroad to the detriment of the larger masses.
Rather their priority is how to be on the same salary scale as doctors. Abeg anyone that need that should quietly go & take up the MBBS degree.What nonsense!

What did NMA do when buhari and his family became medical tourists since you claim the hospital and patients belongs to only you

Paperwhite:
I thought JOHESU will go against Buhari,his family & other government cronies that have failed to develop Nigeria's health institutions but rather with utter impunity have taken to medical tourism abroad to the detriment of the larger masses.
Rather their priority is how to be on the same salary scale as doctors. Abeg anyone that need that should quietly go & take up the MBBS degree.What nonsense!

if you had taken your time to read the post you will see they are demanding for an increase that will still put their salaries below that of the doctors. read before fooling yourself.

“Even when the reality on ground shows that a fresh doctor presently enters the public service on CONMESS 3 which is the equivalent of GL 12 with a take home monthly package ofN313,000,00 per month, the closest in line who are health professionals enter public service on CONHESS 9 which is the equivalent of GL 10 with a package of N161,670.00 with a proposal to have an adjustment that takes him to a total emolument ofN190,000.00, the two ministers who are members of NMA have taken positions that these health professionals seek parity with doctors. In mathematical terms this is a significant 61 per cent differential.”

YorubaAssasin:
Ordinary Nurses? What do they know?

Obatala concocted herbs and shrubs (ewe ati egbo)... let's make the most of it.

God bless the Doctors!

how can they be bless when they are not on strike and they can't carry out any single hospital duty. why is hospital gate locked up are doctor too on strike?
Nurses remain the brain behind hospital success no Nurse No hospital, a case study in LUTH, UCH, UBTH and NHA today.
there is no hospital in above mention because the Nurses are on strike...Long live nurses

NIGERIAN WORKERS ARE THE GREATEST STRIKERS. BUT,CAN YOU BLAME THEM?

In this dispute it is very clear that doctors are the reason there have been so much unrest in the health sector. This is so because FOOLISHLY successive governments in Nigeria have been hoodwinked BY DOCTORS into believing that only doctors can be minister of health and CMD of hospitals. One doctor in one thread boasted FOOLISHLY as ALWAYS that they have the knife and the yam. Well, Niherians are now clearly seeimg why things have not been working well for many years.
To you my reader, if you are not a medical doctor, know, as found with many of their posts, whatever profession you practice today, it is simply because you are too academically dull that you are not a doctor.. According to them only doctors are intelligent people, the rest of the populace are bofoons

Johesu liars.
No fresh Drs take 300k in Nigeria

Paperwhite:
“Even when the reality on ground shows that a fresh doctor presently enters the public service on CONMESS 3 which is the equivalent of GL 12 with a take home monthly package ofN313,000,00 per month, the closest in line who are health professionals enter public service on CONHESS 9 which is the equivalent of GL 10 with a package of N161,670.00 with a proposal to have an adjustment that takes him to a total emolument ofN190,000.00, the two ministers who are members of NMA have taken positions that these health professionals seek parity with doctors. In mathematical terms this is a significant 61 per cent differential.”
JOHESU have become so paranoid in their demands that they have now resort to lying.It's a pity.

Their lies are so shameful.
The matter is very simple.If government gives in to their demands and relativity is distorted,goverment just has to increase drs overall take home pay or hospitals are shut down again,then JOHESU can go ahead and be seeing patients,prescribing,carrying out procedures,surgeries and follow ups.Its a straightforward matter

These clowns are only deceiving themselves. There is a court order to obey and u are relieving strike in three states. By the time the government is done with Johesu leadership, they would need the stamina to jump out of police vehicle. An ability the morbidly obese Biobele doesn't have. The trouble is glaring, but the leadership is being cheered on to madness.

Dr Musa Mbahi, Consultant Anatomic & Clinical Pathology writes:

First of, there has to be a Paradigm shift. Healthcare administration in Modern Medicine is a Professional work/Job it is not something you "happen on to" because you have been a "Consultant" in a place for a long time and have mastered the "Politics" of it and can get "Voted" into it as is Largely the case here in Nigeria!

How many CMDs are truelly good with Medical administration if you think critically about it?

Are they Prepared? How many of us Doctors are truely good with Medical Administration which require solid Knowledge and of Finance and Administration?

Not many.

So, although it is true that a lot of our Hospitals are under Funded, the little money that is available is largely misused. I am sorry to say.

But just walk into any of the so called Highly rated Hospitals and see.

Incessant strikes is because workers are not paid, resources to work with are not available etc. I don't blame them.

Nothing for instance says a Medical Doctor has to Head a Hospital!

You can put a person with strong Management and Finance background. Just be sure to put in a Medical Director (Not Chief Medical Director) Under him/her to provide the Medical Decision Making Direction.

I will give you an example, the CEO of Mediclinic Middle East, Mr. David Hadley is a Straight up MBA Medical Administrator. Not a Doctor;

But profitably leads the biggest Hospital chains in the Middle East! When it comes to Medical decision, he allows the Doctors take the lead. But he busy himself with looking at the financial and administrative aspect of things.

That way he is able to give all the resources needed by the Doctors to care for the patient, and to assure its done in such confines as to assure that the organization is financially solvent and making money for its investors.

Nigeria wants to have top rate Healthcare but
a) We don't want to Fund it. b) we put in untrained Medical Doctors to Administer the effort.

There has to be a paradigm shift.

MrBigiman:
These clowns are only deceiving themselves. There is a court order to obey and u are relieving strike in three states. By the time the government is done with Johesu leadership, they would need the stamina to jump out of police vehicle. An ability the morbidly obese Biobele doesn't have. The trouble is glaring, but the leadership is being cheered on to madness.

Who court other epp?


From the johesu national leaders table!
17th may, 2018
10:02pm

Good evening to all distinguished members of JOHESU. I really salute our collective doggedness and resilience to nib injustice,suppression, and subjugation meted on us by FMOH and would on behalf of the national/local exco commend your cooperation and compliance to our several directives,don't relent in this pls. Our attention have been drawn to speculations of court order or no court order,for now I want to advice the house to disregard such rumour, cos it is one of the gimmicks of FMOH to cow us back to work. You would recall,that they have tried several measures but our unchanging position is a big threat to them,so pls be calm,no one should be above the law,if the FMOH would not obey Court order we should be punished if we obey hence THE STRIKE CONTINUES as we await further directives from our national leaders so pls REMAIN AT HOME. I also want to use thus medium to congratulate the muslim faithful on the commencement of the Ramadan fasting,may God grant you the strength and good health to go start and finish it successfully and may all your prayers be answered.
But pls pray hard for the health sector/JOHESU .
ALUTA CONTINUA

slimany:



Who court other epp?

Watch what happens in the remaining days. Johesu held Jonathan to ransom and the man did their biddings, this is Buhari the incorruptible. Johesu will be thrown into the dusty thrash of oblivion and would be a no go area for generations to come. Biobelemoye was too silent to study Medicine and Surgery, but is here fighting parity, as if parity is Justifiable anywhere in the world. Why don't admin staff in courts earn the same as Judges?, or are they not graduates too, and can the Judge function without them?

Paperwhite:
I thought JOHESU will go against Buhari,his family & other government cronies that have failed to develop Nigeria's health institutions but rather with utter impunity have taken to medical tourism abroad to the detriment of the larger masses.
Rather their priority is how to be on the same salary scale as doctors. Abeg anyone that need that should quietly go & take up the MBBS degree.What nonsense!

U shud knw dat not everyone cherish ur boring profession. As a matter of fact, during sch days wen we together with medical students in first yr, they don't do better than pharmacists Nd medical lab sci. Anybody dat read pharmacy can easily do medicine. But ppl consider job fulfilment Nd satisfaction

DEXTROVERT:
SELFISHNESS
WILL
MAKE
NASU
WANTS
PARITY
WITH
UNIVERSITY LECTURERS
EVEN
NASU
DONT
MIND
BEING
VC

SAME
JOHESU
WHICH
COMPRISES
NURSES,PHARMACISTS LAB SCIENTISTS, CLEANERS, GATEMEN, MESSENGERS,
ALL
WANT
TO
BE
AT
PARITY
WITH
DOCTORS
TO
BE
CMD
AND
COLLECT
SAME
SALARIES.

PPP
IS
THE
WAY
OUT

JUST
AS
PATIENTS
BUY
DRUGS
FROM
PHARMACY OUTSIDE THE HOSPITAL
THEY SHOULD ALSO DO INVESTIGATION OUTSIDE
IN SUCH A WAY PHARMACISTS AND LAB SCIENTISTS
CAN GO ELSE WHERE.
WHY
WOULD
THEY
HOLD
PEOPLE
TO
RANSOM
BECAUSE
OF
SELFISH
DESIRES.


IN
PRIVATE
HOSPITALS
ARE
THEY
THE
HEAD
A
NURSE, PHARMACISTS, LABMAN
CANT
DARE
REVOLT
IN
THAT
ESTABLISHMENT
BUT
IN
CIVIL
SERVICE
THEY
WANT
PARITY

When u own an establishment, u decide how it is run. Govt hospitals ar not owned by doctors. Get dat into ur head. Any health worker can be d minister or cmd. Dats global best practice

MrBigiman:


Watch what happens in the remaining days. Johesu held Jonathan to ransom and the man did their biddings, this is Buhari the incorruptible. Johesu will be thrown into the dusty thrash of oblivion and would be a no go area for generations to come. Biobelemoye was too silent to study Medicine and Surgery, but is here fighting parity, as if parity is Justifiable anywhere in the world. Why don't admin staff in courts earn the same as Judges?, or are they not graduates too, and can the Judge function without them?

The then Johesu chairman traded our demands for his own selfish ambition of becoming NLC chairman after 3months of been on strike ,but these time around, they just start, Afterall, it's already no work, no pay, and they are now more angry cos FMOH thought we would succumb to the threat of no work, no pay, Thank God, Johesu member's doggedness.

Aluta continua.

MrBigiman:
These clowns are only deceiving themselves. There is a court order to obey and u are relieving strike in three states. By the time the government is done with Johesu leadership, they would need the stamina to jump out of police vehicle. An ability the morbidly obese Biobele doesn't have. The trouble is glaring, but the leadership is being cheered on to madness.

The same court orders that your minister of doctors has refused to implement in favour of johesu? you must be high something strong.

asuustrike2009:

You call them ordinary but a graduate doctor can't perform simple stitch. He will be shacking like shake spear

So a first timer should be perfect like one experienced? Why dont you all study medicine in school and go on to become consultants, and then put yourselves in same payment scale with gatemen and lab attendants? Shameless greedy lots. Look at another say nurses are the brains behind hospitals...smh

YorubaAssasin:
Ordinary Nurses? What do they know?

Obatala concocted herbs and shrubs (ewe ati egbo)... let's make the most of it.

God bless the Doctors!

Did you just say ORDINARY NURSE ?
It shows that you are myopic.
Nursing as a profession has involve more than what we practice in Nigeria.

Nurses are now consultant and provided quality health care service.
We shld be objective and civil on public matter

Paperwhite:
“Even when the reality on ground shows that a fresh doctor presently enters the public service on CONMESS 3 which is the equivalent of GL 12 with a take home monthly package ofN313,000,00 per month, the closest in line who are health professionals enter public service on CONHESS 9 which is the equivalent of GL 10 with a package of N161,670.00 with a proposal to have an adjustment that takes him to a total emolument ofN190,000.00, the two ministers who are members of NMA have taken positions that these health professionals seek parity with doctors. In mathematical terms this is a significant 61 per cent differential.”
JOHESU have become so paranoid in their demands that they have now resort to lying.It's a pity.

Ehen?

slimany:


The then Johesu chairman traded our demands for his own selfish ambition of becoming NLC chairman after 3months of been on strike ,but these time around, they just start, Afterall, it's already no work, no pay, and they are now more angry cos FMOH thought we would succumb to the threat of no work, no pay, Thank God, Johesu member's doggedness.

Aluta continua.

FYI, the government knows what to do, they are just handling u pple with kids gloves. When the time comes and ur pple remain foolishly adamant, all striking workers will be sacked and made to return hospital property such as the pharmacy and lab keys they took. Those that fail to do this will be charged to court and prosecuted. The government will then advertise for their vacancies, you'll be surprised at how fast they'll be replaced.

YorubaAssasin:
Ordinary Nurses? What do they know?

Obatala concocted herbs and shrubs (ewe ati egbo)... let's make the most of it.

God bless the Doctors!

Concocted herbs and shrubs and ogogoro for coneheads..

Buh the doctors are Igbos..

It's quite unfortunate that this group called JOHESU would be peddling falsehood just to hoodwink the public. The bone of contention here as much as I can see is the pay difference.
However when they say a fresh doctor collects 313k, my question is who is a fresh doctor? Well I can guess that a fresh doctor means a fresh graduate of medicine and surgery which implies a house officer (or medical intern). If you're a doctor, related to a doctor, have a doctor friend or at least know a doctor maybe in your church, mosque etc please ask him how much an intern collects. No intern collects up to 200k.
Let these people stop lying and present their case truthfully. Please be well informed dear public observers and healthcare service consumers.
There can never be parity/equality cos remuneration is based on the calibre of services rendered.
Thanks.

d33types:


Blatant lie.
No fresh Doctor take home 300k plus

Definitely, you know nothing

Bbbb

Yahami:

how can they be bless when they are not on strike and they can't carry out any single hospital duty. why is hospital gate locked up are doctor too on strike?
Nurses remain the brain behind hospital success no Nurse No hospital, a case study in LUTH, UCH, UBTH and NHA today.
there is no hospital in above mention because the Nurses are on strike...Long live nurses

At no point would a doctor not recognise the role of the nurses but out of envy of some sort the nurses are wired to hate doctors. You claimed those hospitals are on lock because there were no nurses on ground but you didn't tell people that the gatemen in the hospital are part of your johesu and would make sure all the doors are locked, even that of the consulting rooms. So tell me how do you expect consultation to take place, or you expect doctors to consult under the tree. Is it not the same set of johesu particularly the nurses who would hide hospital equipments so has to make their strike effective? The hospital needs the nurses to function quite alright, but try not locking ward necessities and let's see if what is happening in OAUTHC won't happen where patients relatives take over the nursing care on the ward so far they are taught. Though not the best but it has been effective so far. Even the neonatal ward is running with children on the ward, the house officer currently work with the mothers, the most important thing the nurses do their is to feed while IV medication that most are on is being given by the doctor. So tell me if the hospital is not running howbeit not maximally.
The nurses are the one losing in this fight. All other health professional in JOHESU enters with grade 8 but your graduate nurses still enter with grade 7 and you people are not talking about that. Johesu(Lab scientists) people are just using the nurses and they will continue to do that until you people wise up.

adeniyisamuel59:
Definitely, you know nothing

How much does an intern collect pls. A house officer who is the fresh doctor does not get paid up to 200k. Pls do your research well. Unless you're calling a registrar a fresh doctor. Then I would have no choice but to ask you to define FRESH foe me.

joecheezeman:

How much does an intern collect pls. A house officer who is the fresh doctor does not get paid up to 200k. Pls do your research well. Unless you're calling a registrar a fresh doctor. Then I would have no choice but to ask you to define FRESH foe me.

Even junior registrar no dey collect 300k, Nigerians are too gullible and easily decieved , I trust NMA sha