YorubaAssasin:
Ordinary Nurses? What do they know?

Obatala concocted herbs and shrubs (ewe ati egbo)... let's make the most of it.

God bless the Doctors!

another fo ol spotted, Nurses are ordinary Abi, who deliver you from your papa no be midwife/Nurse fu. cking ingrate oh I forgot your papa no fit afford hospital.

Davido remix: Johesu think say them bad us but nobody badder ku.

Johesu if u no get money hide ur face....fire burn them.


5 idiots vs 1 authority.

Medical doctors don't makes noise. Just one warning to the FG they address the insurbodination of Johesu, frontally.


Empty vessels make loudest noise.

steric58:
another fo ol spotted, Nurses are ordinary Abi, who deliver you from your papa no be midwife/Nurse fu. cking ingrate oh I forgot your papa no fit afford hospital.

An obstetrician not a nurse.

adeniyisamuel59:
Definitely, you know nothing

No. You know nothing.
A fresh Doctor earns nothing more than 170k during housemanship and it drops lesser for MOs except for residency where it slightly increases by 50k-70k

flinton:

U didn't read the piece at all, JOHESU is does not want to be on the same salary scale with doctors, they are negotiating for relativity.

Whoever made that table will go-to hell. If the remuneration were as good as it is on that chart, I'd not be in the US .

DABMarkNig2019:

what an irony.
is it not your mates Buhari and et al are running to abroad? Your mates are carrying out ground breaking surgeries using cutting edge technology in the UK, USA, Europe,Canada and Ghana you're not ashamed staying here dragging the treatment of chronic illnesses, infectious dxs, internal medicine, and primarily care with me. There's nothing basically a Nigerian dr can do that a pharmacist cannot do outside surgical procedures.

Quick question are you a pharmacist or a pharmacy student. Why I ask is that you don't seem to understand how/ what a pharmacist training entails him to.

What you want is to see the patient and refer to doctor or manage the patient on your own. I know when I go to the hospital I go and see a doctor not a pharmacist or lab technician.

If your training states you can treat people let me know cos maybe I've been scammed by the doctors for a long time.

thedondada:


Quick question are you a pharmacist or a pharmacy student. Why I ask is that you don't seem to understand how/ what a pharmacist training entails him to.

What you want is to see the patient and refer to doctor or manage the patient on your own. I know when I go to the hospital I go and see a doctor not a pharmacist or lab technician.

If your training states you can treat people let me know cos maybe I've been scammed by the doctors for a long time.

Actually, going by standard practice in developed countries ofcos... The community pharmacist is the first point of call if a patient does not want to visit a hospital. The pharmacist is trained to assess/ clerk the patient, and draw a diagnosis from presenting symptoms and if siad diagnosis are non life threatening or chronic and within the expertise of the pharmacist to manage, then the pharmacist can and should initiate treatment. My argument is not whether or not a pharmacist can perform the role of a doctor and vice versa as both make a fundamental part in the Healthcare team and shld even be the two profession closest to one another to better serve the patient ... My point however is to let you know that yes indeed, a pharmacist may treat if the presenting condition does not call for a referral...

I knew some senseless people will be talking about parity here but nothing like parity but equity is 300k + and 161k + are parity? I wonder why some senseless people will just rush into conclusion without doing their funding pls let us use brain when commenting instead of head a big head doesn't determined a healthy brain

thedondada:


Quick question are you a pharmacist or a pharmacy student. Why I ask is that you don't seem to understand how/ what a pharmacist training entails him to.

What you want is to see the patient and refer to doctor or manage the patient on your own. I know when I go to the hospital I go and see a doctor not a pharmacist or lab technician.

If your training states you can treat people let me know cos maybe I've been scammed by the doctors for a long time.

first of all you have to know that the pharmacists scope of practice over the years has expanded greatly from the traditional dispensing of drugs...its a bitter fact that the medical colleague's have refused to accept. it's not only in Nigeria but the world over.
In the western world medical specialisations is the in thing..drs don't exchange words with pharmacist's and nurses in subacute and chronic setting's. In chronic settings we collaborate and take responsibilities in subacute although at times with the doctors since he's the head of the clinical team especially in the hospital. physician does the work of a physician and if you don't specialise you're on your own.
Pharmacist's are taken on more clinical responsibilities more than ever especially in chronic settings to augment for drs shortages and to reduce patients waiting time. The curriculum in pharmacy schools have been expanded greatly to provide for this. These are the facts and they're verifiable so what you're quoting me for are things pharmacist's are trained to do. It's only in Nigeria drs are blackmailing every other professionals within the hospitals. I understand how difficult it is watching other people taking over your traditional duty however health care is vast and Nigerian drs should go and specialise.

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Royle2014:

Actually, going by standard practice in developed countries ofcos... The community pharmacist is the first point of call if a patient does not want to visit a hospital. The pharmacist is trained to assess/ clerk the patient, and draw a diagnosis from presenting symptoms and if siad diagnosis are non life threatening or chronic and within the expertise of the pharmacist to manage, then the pharmacist can and should initiate treatment. My argument is not whether or not a pharmacist can perform the role of a doctor and vice versa as both make a fundamental part in the Healthcare team and shld even be the two profession closest to one another to better serve the patient ... My point however is to let you know that yes indeed, a pharmacist may treat if the presenting condition does not call for a referral...

even at that there's has always been a kind of partnership between doctors and pharmacist's. I think some drs are recognising that now. I've observe with keen interest over the past few years the number of doctors who has visited my pharmacy seeking partnering and collaborations where we recommends cases that needs specialist attention to them...we've recommended numerous cases even to govt owned hospitals where they can be managed better.
We all know the truth and the WHO guild lines on health care delivery as regards various health professionals. This rivalry is killing our health care.
NMA should stop being tyrannical.

YorubaAssasin:


An Engineer has the technical know-how, the artisans, laborers and masons do the physical aspect.

Same applies to Doctors and Nurses!

See this quack doctor that probably was allowed to graduate out of pity because he has spent uncountable years in school. So you compare nurses with artisans, laborers and masons? It is the likes of this quack doctor that encourage quackry in the nursing profession by training the so called auxiliary nurses and give them white uniform to wear with red and blue pens in their breast pocket. Doctors are actually the problem in our health institutions.

Royle2014:

Actually, going by standard practice in developed countries ofcos... The community pharmacist is the first point of call if a patient does not want to visit a hospital. The pharmacist is trained to assess/ clerk the patient, and draw a diagnosis from presenting symptoms and if siad diagnosis are non life threatening or chronic and within the expertise of the pharmacist to manage, then the pharmacist can and should initiate treatment. My argument is not whether or not a pharmacist can perform the role of a doctor and vice versa as both make a fundamental part in the Healthcare team and shld even be the two profession closest to one another to better serve the patient ... My point however is to let you know that yes indeed, a pharmacist may treat if the presenting condition does not call for a referral...

Are.you 100% certain that my condition doesn't call for a referral. After all doctors are known to make mistakes how sure are you to make a diagnosis. I ask because I visit the hospitals based on seeing a doctor but If you are certain them what's the need.

You made mentioned thencommuniry pharmacist what does that mean? J know a lot of chemist I go to but medication from aren't literate enough to even understand what I am talking about but I know what I want hence I just ask for it straight up.

Who is a community pharmacist? Are they workers in a big pharmacy sorry for the questions I just need to know. Cos doctors tend to charge a lot

DABMarkNig2019:

first of all you have to know that the pharmacists scope of practice over the years has expanded greatly from the traditional dispensing of drugs...its a bitter fact that the medical colleague's have refused to accept. it's not only in Nigeria but the world over.
In the western world medical specialisations is the in thing..drs don't exchange words with pharmacist's and nurses in subacute and chronic setting's . A physician does a physician work and if you don't specialise you're on your own.
Pharmacist's are taken on more clinical responsibilities more than ever especially in chronic settings to augment for drs shortages and to reduce patients waiting time. The curriculum in pharmacy schools have been expanded greatly to provide for this. These are the facts and they're verifiable so what you're quoting me for are things pharmacist's are trained to do. It's only in Nigeria drs are blackmailing every other professionals within the hospitals. I understand how difficult it is watching other people taking over your traditional duty however health care is vast and Nigerian drs should go and specialise.

Firstly I always thought that pharmacist role is drug production ( excise my ignorance) so how come you want to treat me? You sound certain of your argument. And that I understand, I have always believed life and death are in the doctors hands. When you say subacute or chronic I have no idea what that means.

All I ask is that can I be sure if I go see my pharmacist where u buy medication I can be certain without a doubt that there would be no errors.

I need to know. Educate us cos doctors are making expensive errors. At no cost to them

thedondada:


You sound certain of your argument. And that I understand. You k is we have always believed life and death are in the doctors hands. When you say subacute or chronic I have no idea what that means.

All I ask is that can I be sure if I go see mypharmacist where u buy medication I can be certain without a doubt that there would be no errors.

I need to know.

Yeah i can assure you.
whatever the pharmacist cannot handle he/she refers immediately and of course to a specialist not these ones who have refuse to specialise.

thedondada:



Firstly I always thought that pharmacist role is drug production ( excise my ignorance) so how come you want to treat me? You sound certain of your argument. And that I understand, I have always believed life and death are in the doctors hands. When you say subacute or chronic I have no idea what that means.

All I ask is that can I be sure if I go see my pharmacist where u buy medication I can be certain without a doubt that there would be no errors.

I need to know. Educate us cos doctors are making expensive errors. At no cost to them

Life and death are in doctors hand?
Are you high on Omoku weed?

emekatheo:


See this quack doctor that probably was allowed to graduate out of pity because he has spent uncountable years in school. So you compare nurses with artisans, laborers and masons? It is the likes of this quack doctor that encourage quackry in the nursing profession by training the so called auxiliary nurses and give them white uniform to wear with red and blue pens in their breast pocket. Doctors are actually the problem in our health institutions.

Don't mind the guy.
That's how they disrespect our noble nursing profession by training quacks in their private hospital,
How can you disrespect nurses and expect us to respect you?
That's how they want to suppress pharmacy profession but they keep failing.
They want to frustrate medical lab scientists but they will never succeed.
Very greedy people.

Amarabae:

Life and death are in doctors hand?
Are you high on Omoku weed?

No. Are you.?

Is it God. I am educated enough to know that seeking for help late is a killer. At least that's what I've read.

I ask for clarification if you know clarify if not keep quiet.

thedondada:


No. Are you.?

Is it God. I am educated enough to know that seeking for help late is a killer. At least that's what I've read.

I ask for clarification if you know clarify if not keep quiet.

And who doesn't know that seeking for help late is dangerous?
Life and death are not in their hands,
They treat ,Jah heals
You can get the best medical attention and yet still not recover .
They are not magicians.

DABMarkNig2019:

Yeah i can assure you.
whatever the pharmacist cannot handle he/she refers immediately and of course to a specialist not these ones who have refuse to specialise.

I always see a specialist when I go to the hospital be it for cough and cattarh or back pain. I have also been referred by a doctor to a physiotherapist ( who worked wonders by the way)

I pay a lot so I wonder ( as a Nigerian) is there a cheaper and efficient alternative ?

If I need to see the pharmacist first ( I know the real pharmacies from the chemist) I do t know how but I .ca tell. For prompt treatment and time efficiency.

thedondada:


Are.you 100% certain that my condition doesn't call for a referral. After all doctors are known to make mistakes how sure are you to make a diagnosis. I ask because I visit the hospitals based on seeing a doctor but If you are certain them what's the need.

You made mentioned thencommuniry pharmacist what does that mean? J know a lot of chemist I go to but medication from aren't literate enough to even understand what I am talking about but I know what I want hence I just ask for it straight up.

Who is a community pharmacist? Are they workers in a big pharmacy sorry for the questions I just need to know. Cos doctors tend to charge a lot

I am a pharmacist, and to say I dont sense sarcasm in your questions would be a lie. However, for the benefit of the doubt, I would gratify you with answers to your rather "mocking" questions

The aspect of making a "mistake" nd or not knowing the right diagnosis. A pharmacist is a professional health care provider. Thus he has undergone rigorous training, read some large numbers of text books nd other research materials to be certified a pharmacist. Thus he wouldn't want to play/ gamble with your health for a mere token of the cost of his/ her services. Same goes with doctors.

Pharmacists know first hand, symptoms that require immediate referrals and wouldn't want to cross such boundaries, not because they are entirely helpless and wouldn't know what to do, but because should anything happen to the said patient, his license to practice would be on the line, and yes, he has a conscience to answer to as well... I for one refer alot of child cases to a pediatrician I am friends with because kids are very vulnerable at such tender ages...
If as a pharmacist, having heard your complaints and requested for a lab test maybe MP, Widal, PCV Urine MCS or HVS and deemed it fit that your case, according to said results can be handled without putting additional pressure on physicians in the hospital, then yes, I am 100% sure I can handle such a case.

Secondly, as to misconstruing a pharmacy and a chemist... There is a huge difference. Only a pharmacy can use the sign "PHARMACY +" next to their operating premises and there must be the presence of a pharmacist there. Ofcos, there may be sales girls, nurses etc... But always request to see the pharmacist
on ground

Amarabae:
Johesu are winning.
It's nice to know that the governors of these states are now cooperating.
Useless and greedy N.M.A
Local champions, go outside the country and see real doctors.
Malaria and typhoid specialists.
Google-aided drug prescribers.
Place them alongside foreign doctors and see how inferior they will look.
Peanut earners.
Boring beings with narcissistic personality disorder.
I so much love the hate and resentment that is now fully in the health sector.

Kai, Naija which way. The other time a lab scientist was trying to redefine medical school. There are good and bad nurses, but it doesn't stop them from being nurses. There are great doctors and not so great ones, but MBBS will remain the envied profession in the health sector, and u'll even crave for ur child to have the degree, and he be called quack and malaria and typhoid doctor . May anyone lying, envying or bitter here between NMA and Johesu will face Gods judgment, may the guilty group be proscribed and may the documents bearing their names be thrown away where rats can feed on it.

Amarabae:

And who doesn't know that seeking for help late is dangerous?
Life and death are not in their hands,
They treat ,Jah heals
You can get the best medical attention and yet still not recover .
They are not magicians.

On this I agree with. What I ask is how am I sure the pharmacist wont waste my time trying to treat me and send me to a doctor when it's late.

That is my fear.

That's the certainty I need. Cos I have big pharmacies around me though I don't have a life threatening condition when i feel unwell I go to the doctor to the lab ( maybe ) then the pharmacy. That's my usual route .

They are expensive for instant care so can u assure me as a pharmacist there's no issue with seeing you first?

That's all I ask. I might not see you personally but I assume you speak for pharmacist and will try them first cos it's instant treatment.

I overheard one deluded dokinta saying that amidst the ongoing strike ,that johesu people bring their relatives to the hospital for doctors to treat.
I laughed so hard.
Deluded shegoat.
.
The only doctor that knows things about health more than me is a SURGEON.
apart from that ,no graduate nurse or pharmacists or lab scientist that can't treat his or her relations very well if really the person knows his or her worth.
Many nurses are in private practice ,managing many sick patients in homes very well.
Nobody or no profession has a monopoly of knowledge,
The health sector outside Nigeria are evolving.

MrBigiman:


Kai, Naija which way. The other time a lab scientist was trying to redefine medical school. There are good and bad nurses, but it doesn't stop them from being nurses. There are great doctors and not so great ones, but MBBS will remain the envied profession in the health sector, and u'll even crave for ur child to have the degree, and he be called quack and malaria and typhoid doctor . May anyone lying, envying or bitter here between NMA and Johesu will face Gods judgment, may the guilty group be proscribed and may the documents bearing their names be thrown away where rats can feed on it.

Ive watched you type this time and time again. U have a mentality that is as old as Jezebel and u need to catch on quick to new ways of thinking. Its 2018 sir. Now listen carefully.


I got into school, with my mind, body and soul prepared to read pharmacy. I never for once wanted to study medicine... U knw why? Because the profession is limited.

And trust me, I would rather my child studies Pharmacy, Fine and Applied arts and other entrepreneurial liberating courses than study medicine where he'll wear himself out in school, come out and start struggling to get into a well paying hospital worth the stress...

As a pharmacist, I dont even envy those working in a hospital because the pay is not at par with the workload. I rather be a rep, work in a research institute or own my own pharmacy... And here is the bonus, with as little capital to cover for registration and premises nd a good connection with some reps, I can setup a pharmacy that easily... But you knw a hospital is not possible like dat. So my dear friend, pharmacy is a gold mine.

Royle2014:

I am a pharmacist, and to say I dont sense sarcasm in your questions would be a lie. However, for the benefit of the doubt, I would gratify you with answers to your rather "mocking" questions

The aspect of making a "mistake" nd or not knowing the right diagnosis. A pharmacist is a professional health care provider. Thus he has undergone rigorous training, read some large numbers of text books nd other research materials to be certified a pharmacist. Thus he wouldn't want to play/ gamble with your health for a mere token of the cost of his/ her services. Same goes with doctors.

Pharmacists know first hand, symptoms that require immediate referrals and wouldn't want to cross such boundaries, not because they are entirely helpless and wouldn't know what to do, but because should anything happen to the said patient, his license to practice would be on the line, and yes, he has a conscience to answer to as well... I for one refer alot of child cases to a pediatrician I am friends with because kids are very vulnerable at such tender ages...
If as a pharmacist, having heard your complaints and requested for a lab test maybe MP, Widal, PCV Urine MCS or HVS and deemed it fit that your case, according to said results can be handled without putting additional pressure on physicians in the hospital, then yes, I am 100% sure I can handle such a case.

Secondly, as to misconstruing a pharmacy and a chemist... There is a huge difference. Only a pharmacy can use the sign "PHARMACY +" next to their operating premises and there must be the presence of a pharmacist there. Ofcos, there may be sales girls, nurses etc... But always request to see the pharmacist
on ground

Sarcasm? Mocking.

First off I don't go to government hospitals the protocol is too much. I always insist on seeing the specialist when I go private.

That being said my question is simple and to the point. Do I need to see a doctor or can I see a pharmacist. The impression I have is that doctors and pharmacist are the same so why see a doctor? What's the point when I can go straight to a pharmacist.

That is a very simple question. I want to know for myself. As I said before always have had thenopunion that life and death are in the doctors hand will you change my opinion.

It's that simple. P.s my questions came.from a.post from a pharmacist that's why I ask

thedondada:



On this I agree with. What I ask is how am I sure the pharmacist wont waste my time trying to treat me and send me to a doctor when it's late.

That is my fear.

That's the certainty I need. Cos I have big pharmacies around me though I don't have a life threatening condition when i feel unwell I go to the doctor to the lab ( maybe ) then the pharmacy. That's my usual route .

They are expensive for instant care so can u assure me as a pharmacist there's no issue with seeing you first?

That's all I ask. I might not see you personally but I assume you speak for pharmacist and will try them first cos it's instant treatment.

Listen up.
A combination of Pharmacy + A private medical laboratory have been saving people's lives since 1960
If you notice any strange feelings about your health,
You don't necessary need a hospital for a minor case unless there is a complication.
So relax,
Pharmacists are trained noble professionals who can treat.
It's just that doctors know about the overall human health more than them

Royle2014:

I am a pharmacist, and to say I dont sense sarcasm in your questions would be a lie. However, for the benefit of the doubt, I would gratify you with answers to your rather "mocking" questions

The aspect of making a "mistake" nd or not knowing the right diagnosis. A pharmacist is a professional health care provider. Thus he has undergone rigorous training, read some large numbers of text books nd other research materials to be certified a pharmacist. Thus he wouldn't want to play/ gamble with your health for a mere token of the cost of his/ her services. Same goes with doctors.

Pharmacists know first hand, symptoms that require immediate referrals and wouldn't want to cross such boundaries, not because they are entirely helpless and wouldn't know what to do, but because should anything happen to the said patient, his license to practice would be on the line, and yes, he has a conscience to answer to as well... I for one refer alot of child cases to a pediatrician I am friends with because kids are very vulnerable at such tender ages...
If as a pharmacist, having heard your complaints and requested for a lab test maybe MP, Widal, PCV Urine MCS or HVS and deemed it fit that your case, according to said results can be handled without putting additional pressure on physicians in the hospital, then yes, I am 100% sure I can handle such a case.

Secondly, as to misconstruing a pharmacy and a chemist... There is a huge difference. Only a pharmacy can use the sign "PHARMACY +" next to their operating premises and there must be the presence of a pharmacist there. Ofcos, there may be sales girls, nurses etc... But always request to see the pharmacist
on ground

Sorry to quote this again but as I said I can tell the real pharmacies from the chemist. The plus sign is one and there's an air of professionalism I see when I go there.
Chemists are yuck.

Amarabae:

Listen up.
A combination of Pharmacy + A private medical laboratory have been saving people's lives since 1960
If you notice any strange feelings about your health,
You don't necessary need a hospital for a minor case unless there is a complication.
So relax,
Pharmacists are trained noble professionals who can treat.
It's just that doctors know about the overall human health more than them

I am not in the position to declare an ailment minor or major and that is my fear. I have a morbid hatred for hospitals but the need to live trumps that. You say unless there's a a complication ( God forbid it gets to that)

Health care providers are top my list cos at least they guarantee an attempt at life. But the cycle I am used to is being changed here ( though I would ask for further clarification offline ). I just want to be sure. I don't joke with health matters at all. Some people are really scared of illness and I am one of them.

Royle2014:

Ive watched you type this time and time again. U have a mentality that is as old as Jezebel and u need to catch on quick to new ways of thinking. Its 2018 sir. Now listen carefully.


I got into school, with my mind, body and soul prepared to read pharmacy. I never for once wanted to study medicine... U knw why? Because the profession is limited.

And trust me, I would rather my child studies Pharmacy, Fine and Applied arts and other entrepreneurial liberating courses than study medicine where he'll wear himself out in school, come out and start struggling to get into a well paying hospital worth the stress...

As a pharmacist, I dont even envy those working in a hospital because the pay is not at par with the workload. I rather be a rep, work in a research institute or own my own pharmacy... And here is the bonus, with as little capital to cover for registration and premises nd a good connection with some reps, I can setup a pharmacy that easily... But you knw a hospital is not possible like dat. So my dear friend, pharmacy is a gold mine.

U agree medicine is tough, yet u also agree all health workers should be on the same scale. And read that post, I was only referring to the venom posted by that lady, and most of the time u read a comment with so much opinionation. Of all courses in the University Medicine has the most rigors and Doctors should be given some space to breath.

MrBigiman:


Kai, Naija which way. The other time a lab scientist was trying to redefine medical school. There are good and bad nurses, but it doesn't stop them from being nurses. There are great doctors and not so great ones, but MBBS will remain the envied profession in the health sector, and u'll even crave for ur child to have the degree, and he be called quack and malaria and typhoid doctor . May anyone lying, envying or bitter here between NMA and Johesu will face Gods judgment, may the guilty group be proscribed and may the documents bearing their names be thrown away where rats can feed on it.

You doctors do have a narcissistic personality disorder (NPD)
No one envies you people.

The same way you are proud of being a doctor is the same way someone is proud being a pharmacist,
The same way I am over proud being a Nurse.
My kids will read the course they want, be it law or engineering or medical laboratory science or medicine or nursing or architect etc.
I don't see engineers arguing with architects or builders over payment issues during a contract .
They respect each other.
.

thedondada:



On this I agree with. What I ask is how am I sure the pharmacist wont waste my time trying to treat me and send me to a doctor when it's late.

That is my fear.

That's the certainty I need. Cos I have big pharmacies around me though I don't have a life threatening condition when i feel unwell I go to the doctor to the lab ( maybe ) then the pharmacy. That's my usual route .

They are expensive for instant care so can u assure me as a pharmacist there's no issue with seeing you first?

That's all I ask. I might not see you personally but I assume you speak for pharmacist and will try them first cos it's instant treatment.

I'm assuring you without a doubt that you can see the pharmacist first and would eternally be grateful that you did.