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| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by abagoro(m): 9:54pm On Jun 11, 2013 |
Malawian: what i am saying is that elderly ika speak a language i can understand. you were kind of agreeing with him that mordern day ika speak different from elderly ika. that is why i said rubbish. All languages do evolve and in some instances turn to new languages. Ika is classified as a separate Igbo dialect like Ikwerre, Ogba or Ezza. The mistake Agbotaen has been making is in using language, Kingship and origin which points to Igbo instead of the "rights to ethnic determination" which states that you could speak same language and have same origin but you have a right on what ethnic group you belong. Owa Kingship descended from Odogwu an Igbo warrior from Nri as stated by the Obi of Owa. |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by Idunobaehis(m): 4:08pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
it's amusing the way Igbos in nairaland propagate falsehood. They will tell you the correct way to speak ur language. Every thing Agbontaen wrote is pure owa dialect of Ika language. Following Agbontae's posts have made me understand Ika language better. I showed some of his posts to my uncle who speaks impecable ika and knows many ika dialects and ancient ika words to verify some words that are new to me like ika names of things from his posts. He was very proud of him. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by Afam4eva(m): 4:11pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
Idun'oba ehis:You're welcome to Nairaland as i can see that you just registered today and this is your first post. Welcome once again. |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by Abagworo(m): 5:21pm On Jun 15, 2013 |
Afam4eva: Lol Afam is funny. Agbotaen just registered a new username. |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by igboboy1(m): 5:07am On Jun 16, 2013 |
Abagworo: lol...hapu nwa aka |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by sonya4all(m): 6:32am On Jun 17, 2013 |
@afam4eva...Are you that jobless,as to resort to checking who is coming new on nairaland,and how many post he has made.,?.I see being a nairaland mod is indeed a boring job...U better go n get a nice job.The fact has been laid on the table,yet you igbons dont want to take it,well that will not change anything at all,cos ika is ika.Jobless mod. |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by sonya4all(m): 6:38am On Jun 17, 2013 |
And @you and ur cohorts,am sure ur igbotic brains didnt tell you that,nairaland has more guests than registered members,who just come here to read threads,and when it gets so interesting they try to coment by joining the forum.Which is how this forum developed...Ooops..Am now teaching a mod his job...(i hate this word:clueless).But u aint any different from that. |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by Abagworo(m): 5:50pm On Jun 17, 2013 |
sonya4all: And @you and ur cohorts,am sure ur igbotic brains didnt tell you that,nairaland has more guests than registered members,who just come here to read threads,and when it gets so interesting they try to coment by joining the forum.Which is how this forum developed...Ooops..Am now teaching a mod his job...(i hate this word:clueless).But u aint any different from that. So in essence you are the culprit. Ika is quite a poor area and nobody actually takes any pleasure identifying with Ikas but one cannot deny the obvious to an extent that even Europeans and Edos could tell. Quit acting like other Igbos are forcing you to join our union. Ika is Ika and for Ikans but they speak Igbo language and mostly of same origin as other Delta Igbos. 2 Likes |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by Afam4eva(m): 5:54pm On Jun 17, 2013 |
sonya4all: @afam4eva...Are you that jobless,as to resort to checking who is coming new on nairaland,and how many post he has made.,?.I see being a nairaland mod is indeed a boring job...U better go n get a nice job.The fact has been laid on the table,yet you igbons dont want to take it,well that will not change anything at all,cos ika is ika.Jobless mod. sonya4all: And @you and ur cohorts,am sure ur igbotic brains didnt tell you that,nairaland has more guests than registered members,who just come here to read threads,and when it gets so interesting they try to coment by joining the forum.Which is how this forum developed...Ooops..Am now teaching a mod his job...(i hate this word:clueless).But u aint any different from that. I've not seen you here for a while, so i don't understand why you're carrying it on your head. Except you're the culprit. |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by tonychristopher: 5:55pm On Jun 17, 2013 |
The Igbo, sometimes referred to as Ibo, are one of the largest single ethnic groups in Africa. Most Igbo speakers are based in southeast Nigeria, where they make up almost 17% of the population; they can also be found in significant numbers in Cameroon and Equatorial Guinea. Their language is also called Igbo. The primary Igbo states in Nigeria are Anambra, Abia, Imo, Ebonyi, and Enugu States. The Igbos also are more than 25% of the population in some Nigerian States like Delta State and Rivers State. Traces of the Igbo Culture and language could be found in Cross River, Akwa Ibom and Bayelsa States. Igbo language is predominant in such cities like Onitsha, Aba, Owerri, Enugu, Nnewi, Nsukka, Awka, Umuahia, and Asaba, among others. Igbo Origins There have been postulations of different origins of the Igbo; however, serious studies based on testable facts clarify that the Igbo have lived in their country for tens of millennia. The archeological finds at Ugwuele Okigwe make an insightful proof of human activities in the theatre of Igbo civilization more than two hundred and fifty thousand years ago. Evidence of man-made tools like axe, pottery and carved stones dug up at the present day Enugu and Ebonyi states establish the credibility of the habitation of Igbo for a very long time. In other words, traditions of Igbo origin favor Igbo genesis in Igboland. According to Professor Oriji as well as Forde and Jones, the Isu group of the Igbo nation would appear to be the largest in population and seem to occupy a contiguous stretch of land from the center of Igboland expanding to all directions. This implies that the initial Igbo cultural and structural ideas likely evolved from the Isu. Their spread has helped to harmonize the features of the Igbo Cultural Area. In the Orlu section of Isu that claim autochthony for instance, a primogenitor was recollected of the name Igbo Ngidi, who was spiritually and scientifically advanced. He founded Ama Igbo [The home of the Igbo]. From Ama Igbo in Orlu, he instituted various blacksmithing centers, agricultural practices, commerce and religious oracles. He further established his ideas at a place he called Igbo Ukwu [Igbo the Great] in praise of his success. It was from these places of initial causes (Ama Igbo and Igbo Ukwu) that the Igbo multiplied and occupied the present-day Igboland. It is recollected that Igbo people called themselves Umu Igbo Ngidi [Children of Igbo Ngidi], which was shortened to Umu Igbo. Today, Igbo means the people, the language and the land. Etymologically, the word "Igbo" connotes "human community". With regard to the genesis of the Igbo in relation to their original population stock and areas of initial settlements and dispersals, four views are worth mentioning:THE AMAIGBO VIEW OF IGBO ORIGIN There exists the speculation of settlement from antiquity among the Orlu and Isu group. Within this zone, Amaigbo stands out with complex sophistication that ushers valid insight into Igbo settlements of old as well as the evolution of the cultural, linguistic, behavioral and psychological patterns that give the Igbo a distinct outlook. Some historians noted that with population explosion, people from this region spread rapidly and founded other parts of Igboland. The axis in question constitutes the upper half of the "Southern Igbo" involving the Isu, Orsu, Orlu and Ihiala group. THE OWERE VIEW OF IGBO ORIGIN This is shared by both indigenes and foreigners alike, who see the Owere region as the archetype originality of Igbo. Critical insights into the height of linguistic and cultural evolution attained here attest this standpoint. This region covers the stretch of land from Urata surroundings to Umuahia areas. This view is held by Elizabeth Isichei, who suggests that Igbo origin has its root somewhere in Owere-Umuahia axis. Hence, from here, there skyrocketed the outward radiation of Igbo characteristic elan. In other words, the original population stock from this region expanded north, south, east and west. THE AWKA VIEW OF IGBO ORIGIN It suggests an earlier habitation of the Awka and Nri axis, whose people emerged as the first and original Igbo group. After elapsing series of internal evolution, there was the need to expand due to population pressures. There are claims of autochthony here, where migrations are just remembered to be a few miles from the present abode. Igbo cultural thoughts could have developed by this region around the Omambara and Ezu river basins being among the important elements of civilization. Factors that fuel this view include the Awka smithery and the emergence of Nri ritual functions. THE OWERE-AWKA VIEW OF IGBO ORIGIN The fourth satisfies the result of archaeological studies that noted the continuous inhabitation of Igboland from prehistoric period. Regarding the complex dynamism involved in the question of Igbo origin, K.O. Dike and P.A. Talbot argue that Awka and Owere form the focal foundation of early Igbo dispersal. Chikezie Uchendu also holds this view that the area stretching from Awka to Owere form the Igbo heartland belt. Botanical and anthropological evidence confirm a continuous settlement of the Igbo in Igboland with a cultural continuum from the lithic periods to this day. Uchendu elaborates that "the belt formed by Owerri, Awka, Orlu and Okigwe divisions constitute this nuclear area" of Igbo evolution. People in this area have no tradition of coming from anywhere else. Within this belt, villages are small in area but are very densely populated due to internal sub-divisions over long period of habitation and group autonomy. Communities lying outside this core belt make a sharp contrast, where villages are large in area but are scantly populated. In summary, the Igbo are African people who have occupied their land for many millennia, splitting off from other Africans and evolving a distinct system. Before Foreign Colonization Pre-colonial Igbo political organization was based on semiautonomous communities, devoid of kings or governing chiefs. With the exception of towns such as Onitsha, which had kings called Obis, and places like Nri and Arochukwu, which had priest kings known as Ezes, most Igbo village governments were ruled solely by an assembly of the common people. Although titleholders were respected because of their accomplishments, they were never revered as kings, but often performed special functions given to them by such these assemblies. This way of governing was immensely different from most other communities of Western Africa, and only shared by the Ewe of Ghana. Igbo secret societies also had a ceremonial scriptcalled Nsibidi. Igbos had a calendar in which a week has four days. A month has seven weeks and thirteen months a year. The last month had an extra day.They also had mathematics called Okwe and Mkpisi and a saving and loans bank system called Isusu. They settled law matters by oath-taking to a god. If that person died in a certain amount of time, he was guilty. If not, he was free to go, but if guilty, that person could face exile or servitude to a deity. After The Colonization The arrival of the British in the 1870s and increased encounters between the Igbo and other Nigerians led to a deepening sense of a distinct Igbo ethnic identity. The Igbo also proved remarkably decisive and enthusiastic in their embrace of Christianity and Western education. Under British colonial rule, the diversity within each of Nigeria's major ethnic groups slowly decreased and distinctions between the Igbo and other large ethnic groups, such as the Hausa and the Yoruba became sharper. The novel Things Fall Apart by Igbo author Chinua Achebe, is a fictional account of the clash between the new influences of the British and the traditional life of the Igbo. Instability and Biafra Seccession In 1966, a failed coup d'état by Nigerian army officers led by an Igbo—Major Kaduna Nzeogwu—resulted in the death of Sir Ahmadu Bello, the Sardauna of Sokoto, a prominent northern Nigerian of the Hausa ethnic group. Although the coup was foiled primarily by another Igbo, Johnson Aguiyi-Ironsi, the belief prevailed in northern Nigeria that Hausa leaders were singled out for death. This situation gave rise to a retaliatory pogrom in which tens of thousands of Igbo were murdered in northern Nigeria, which led to the headlong flight back to the Eastern Region of as many as two million Igbos. Eventually, the crisis reached an apex in May 1967 with the secession of the Igbo-dominated Eastern Region from Nigeria to form the Republic of Biafra headed by the aforementioned Colonel Ojukwu. The secession quickly led to civil war after talks between former Army colleagues, Yakubu Gowon and Ojukwu broke down. The Republic of Biafra lasted only until January 1970 after a campaign of starvation by the Nigerian Army with the support of Egypt, Sudan and the United Kingdom led to a decisive victory. Derived from the last wartime speech of Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu Head of Biafran state. "In the three years of the war necessity gave birth to invention. During those three years of heroic bound, we leapt across the great chasm that separates knowledge from know-how. We built rocket, and we designed and built our own delivery systems. We guided our rockets. We guided them far; we guided them accurately. For three years, blockaded without hope of import, we maintained all our vehicles. The state extracted and refined petrol, individuals refined petrol in their back gardens. We built and maintained our airports, maintained them under heavy bombardment. Despite the heavy bombardment, we recovered so quickly after each raid that we were able to maintain the record for the busiest airport in the continent of Africa. We spoke to the world through telecommunication system engineered by local ingenuity; the world heard us and spoke back to us! We built armored cars and tanks. We modified aircraft from trainer to fighters, from passenger aircraft to bombers. In the three years of freedom we had broken the technological barrier. In the three years we became the most civilized, the most technologically advanced black people on earth." Contemporary Igbo After the Nigerian Civil War, Igboland had been severely devastated. Many hospitals, schools, and homes had been completely destroyed in the brutal war. The Federal government of Nigeria denied the Igbo people access to all the hard currencies such as pound sterling they had saved in Nigeria banks before the civil war, and only allowed them a minuscule compensation of £20 per adult bank account holder. For example, a man who had over £450,000.00 savings in one or several bank accounts could only receive £20.00 following this policy. In addition to the loss of their savings, many Igbo people found themselves discriminated against by other ethnic groups and the new non-Igbo federal government. Due to the discrimination of employers, many Igbos had trouble finding employment, and the Igbos became one of the poorest ethnic groups in Nigeria during the early 1970s. As an even greater insult, in Port Harcourt, their control was handed over to their Ijaw neighbours and the Ikwerre (an Igbo subgroup who have separated and claimed no Igbo origin). Igboland was gradually rebuilt over a period of twenty years and the economy was again prospering due to the rise of the Niger Delta petroleum industry, which led to new factories being set up in southern Nigeria. This recovery, from the depths of the Biafran War, is an example of the uncanny resilience and resourcefulness of the Igbo. Many Igbos eventually regained government positions. The Igbo, however, also face many problems and challenges today. Even today, Igbo people have sometimes continued to face discrimination from other ethnic groups. Igboland towns, such as Enugu, Onitsha and Owerri, lack sufficient resources and good infrastructure for their inhabitants. Also, because the traditional Igbo homeland was becoming too small for its growing population, many Igbo have emigrated out of Igboland. The Igbo Diaspora After the Nigerian Civil War, many Igbo emigrated out of the traditional Igbo homeland in southeastern Nigeria due to a growing population, decreasing land, and poor infrastructure. Not only have the Igbo people moved to such Nigerian cities as Lagos, Benin City, and Abuja, but have also moved to other countries such as Togo, Ghana, Canada, the United Kingdom, and the United States. Prominent Igbo communities outside Africa include those of London, UK, Houston, Atlanta and Washington D.C USA. Finland, Malaysia. Infact Igbo’s can be found in virtually any part of the world. |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by tonychristopher: 6:00pm On Jun 17, 2013 |
SOME ANIOMA IGBOS AND SOME OTHER IGBOS IN DELTA STATE, RIVER STATE(Ikwerrre), CROSS RIVER STATE,AKWA IBOM STATE AND BENUE STATE ARE GOING ABOUT WITH WRONG INFORMATION AGAINST THE IGBOS ON THE CAUSE OF THE CIVIL WAR BUT BELOW THE FACT IS THAT ANIOMA IGBOS CAUSED THE WAR AND THIS IS THE FACT - READ THE FACTS: DESPITE THEIR CLAIM AND JUMPING SHIP TO NIGERIA SIDE WHO HAS A BETTER FUTURE IN NIGERIA TODAY. OUR CHILDREN ARE DOING BETTER THAN THEIR CHILDREN IN EVERY FIELD AND IT WILL BE NICE FOR THE IKWERRE AND ANIOMA PEOPLE TO KEEP LOOKING INWARD AND CONTINUE TO BE A MNIORITY UPON MINORITY IN DELTA AND RIVER STATE AS THEY WOULD HAVE SUCCEEDED IN MAKING THEMSELVES TOO SMALL TO BE RECOGNISED NATIONALLY. ANIOMA IGBOS PLANNED AND EXECUTED THE FIRST MILITARY COUP IN NIGERIA AND AFTER IT FAILED THAT ACTION STARTED THE CIVIL WAR IN NIGERIA FROM 1966 TO 1970 AND THEY ANIOMAS AND OTHER IGBOS WRONGLY KEEP BLAMING THE SOUTH EAST IGBOS FOR THEIR TROUBLES IN THE NIGERIAN PROJECT. THE HAUSAS, THE YORUBAS AND OTHER NIGERIA FELT THAT THE IGBOS STARTED THE COUP AND CIVIL WAR AND THEY DO NOT WANT TO KNOW WHICH IGBO. INFACT AGUIYI IRONSI, OJUKWU, MADIEBO, ZIK, OKPARA AND OTHER IGBOS SHOULD HAVE TOLD NIGERIANS FROM HAUSA, YORUBA AND OTHER NIGERIANS THAT ANIOMA IGBOS STARTED THE TROUBLE IF WE KNEW THAT THEY WILL TURN AROUND TODAY TO CLAIM THAT THEY ARE NOT IGBOS. IF AGUIYI IRONSI, OJUKWU, ZIK AND CO HAD MADE THE DIFFERENCE CLEAR THE WAR WOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN PLACE, BUT THEY WERE PROTECTING THEIR BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND WE ALL HAVE DIED AND SUFFERERED FOR IT AND TODAY SOME ANIOMA PEOPLE ARE MAKING USELESS NOISE ALL OVER THE PLACE CLAIMING THEY ARE NOT IGBOS BECAUSE THE WAR WAS LOST. IGBOS REGARD THEM AS BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND THAT IS WHY WE DO NOT TELL THEM THIS FACT ABOUT THE WAR BECAUSE IGBOS KNOW THAT THE MISTAKES HAVE BEEN MADE AND WE DO NOT REMIND THEM OF THIS FACT, BUT WITH THE IRESPONSIBLE COMMENTS AND DISREPECTS A LOT ANIOMA IGBOS AND OTHER IGBOS KEEP HEAPING ON SOUTH EAST IGBOS - IT IS TIME TO TELL THE ANIOMAS AND OTHER IGBOS THE TRUTH. . THE COUP PLANNERS AND EXECUTIONERS WERE ALL ANIOMA IGBOS, FEW YORUBAS, FEW IJAW AND FEW MINORITY TRIBES. THERE IS NOT RECORD WERE ANY SOUTH EAST CORE IGBO WAS AMONG THE FIRST COUP PLANNERS, BUT THE ANIOMA IGBOS KEEP DISTORTING HISTROY BY BLAMING IGBOS ON THEIR FAILURE. SOUTH EAST IGBOS HAD SENIOR MILITRAY MEN IN THE ARMY THEN BUT THEY DID NOT PLAN OR PARTICIPATE IN THE COUP BUT THESE SENIOR SOUTH EAST IGBO OFFICERS LIKE GENERAL AGUIYI IRONSI, GENERAL MADIEBO, OKEKE, OJUKWU AND CO RATHER TRIED TO PROTECT THE ANIOMA OFFICERS AS BROTHERS AND THAT WAS WHAT ANGERED THE NORTH TO PLAN A COUNTER COUP THAT KILLED AGUIYI IRONSI AND STARTED THE WAR. ANIOMA IGBOS SHOULD GO AND READ HISTROY AND FIND OUT THE FACTS BEFORE THEY START BLAMING OTHERS FOR THE SELF INFLICTED PROBLEMS FOR EXAMPLE GENERAL OGBEMUDIA FORMER GOVERNOR OF BENDEL STATE IS AN IGBO MAN AS HE SPEAKS IGBOS AND HIS PARENTAGE IS IGBO AND HE IS STILL AN IGBO MAN, BUT HE CHANGED HIS IDENTITY DURING THE WAR AND HE DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO CHANGE IT BACK AND HE FEELS HE IS BENEFITING FROM THE WAR WHICH HE WAS PART OF THE EXECUTIONER. OGBEMUDIA IS FROM IGBO-AKIRI TOWN IN AN EDO IGBO TOWN WHO SPEAKS IGBO AND WITH IGBO CULTURE DOMINANT IN HIS VILLAGE AND HIS PARENTAL LINEAGE IS ALL IGBO, BUT HE CHANGED HIS VILLAGE NAME TO IGBANKE DURING THE WAR AND BECAUSE OF IT SINCE HE AFTER THE WAR HIS PEOPLE OF IGBO-AKIRI(NOW IGBANKE) ARE A MINORITY UPON MINORITY AND IN CIVILIAN RULE AND DEMOCRACY HE IS LOSSING AS HIS PEOPLE ARE NOW A SMALL MINORITY INSTEAD OF REMAINING WHAT GOD CREATED THEM TO BE. NOW OBGE MUDIA DOES NOT COMMAND MUCH FOLLOWING AND RESPECT IN EDO BECAUSE OF THIS. I have followed this forums and I have been shocked at the myopic and distortion of facts about Igbos from the Civil War era to present in all these forum by very inferior and small minded persons whom if not for the fact to correct facts they do not deserve IGBOS attention, but just to settle their SMALL MINDS AND CONFUSED PERSONALITIES, BECAUSE IGBOS HAVE THE MOTIVATION, THE GOAL AND CONSISTENT ETHOS OF HARDWORK AND PERSEVERANCE TO SUCCEED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES IN THE GREATER NIGERIA AND AFRICA PROJECT AND IT DOES NOT MATTER THE ANTI-IGBO AGENDA - IGBOS WILL SUCCEED NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. FACTS AND NAMES OF ANIOMA IGBOS MILITARY COUP PLANNERS AND EXECUTIONERS OF THE COUP OF JANUARY 15, 1966 CALLED CODE NAME (DAMISA) HAUSA NAME FOR LEOPARD The Nigerian Civil war and the military coup of January 15 19666 Code name (Damisa) that resulted in the civil war was started and executed by Anioma IGBOS lead by Major Chukwuma Nzeogwu,Major Emmanuel Ifeajuna, Captina Chukwuka, captain Nwawor, colonel Achuzie, Colonel Cyril Iweze, Colonel Nwajei, Colonel Mike Okwechme, Major Albert Okonkwo, Captain Henry Igboba with few Yorubas as minor players like Major Wale Ademoyega,colonel Fola Olahimihan,captain Adeleke, Lieutenent Fola Oyewole and Major Aalele among and ALL IGBOS suffered and died because of this coup and civil war started by Anioma people and they knew all Igbos will support them at that time and all IGBOS did but THE ANIOMA AND OTHER IGBOS IN RIVERS STATE AND CROSS RIVER, AKWA IBOM STATE CONTINUE TO BLAME THE EASTERN CORE IGBOS FOR THE PROBLEM OF THE COUP AND THE CIVIL WAR. I refer you to the books on the Nigerian first military coup and the civil on books by General Olusegun Obasanjo, General Madiebo and by a book on the Nigerian civil war by an Anioma Igbo man name Emma Okocha - Blood on the Niger by emma Okocha pages 53, pages 52-60, pages 186-187, pages 206-210 - TRIATLANTIC BOOKS.When you read this book you will find out that the first military coup was planned and executed by Anioma Igbos with the hope and plan that All Igbos will support them and ALL IGBOS SUPPORTED AND JOIN THEM BUT WHEN WE STARTED LOSSING THE WAR, SOME IGBOS INCLUDING SOME ANIOMA IGBOS and IGBOS in River State, Cross River State, Benue State and Akwa Ibom State ALL OF A SUDDEN CLAIMED THAT THEY ARE NOT IGBOS At that time IN 1960 TO PRESENT Anioma Igbos did not have the population, did not have the political power, did not have the economic power then in 1960 to 1967 and as such they knew that they could not fight the North and other Nigerians. They Anioma Igbos knew that the Eastern REgion Igbos have the economic power, political power, military power and the knew that we will support them. ANIOMA IGBOS DID NOT AND HAVE NEVER HAD ECONOMIC POWER, MILITARY POWER OR POLTICAL POWER IN THE NIGERIA PROJECT FOR THEM TO CARRY OUT THE PLAN BUT THEY DEPENDED ON THE IGBOS OF EASTERN NIGERIA. The Anioma Igbo leaders like Major Nzeagwu who started the military coup and war knew that ALL IGBOS will support them and We did and ALL IGBOS have paid the price of the war because we believed that we are all IGBOS. Achuzia and co also played some wicked tricks against the Igbos of South East during the war and he is still playing that game till today. The same Major Nzeogwu, Ifeajuna, co. who started the military coup of the 60s and the civil war turned around and wanted to do the same thing against Biafra Leadership against Ojukwu by working against Biafra and Ojukwu found out and put them in their place, especially Major Alele, Banjo , colonel Achuzie and co who also planned a coup against Ojukwu and Biafria and Ojukwu found out about it and executed them Banjo, Alele etc and placed Nzeogwu and Ifeajuna under house arrest untill they were killed in Nsukka sector. The only mistake IGBOS and General Aguiyi Ironsi made was not prosecuting quickly and detaining Chukwuma Nzeogwu on time but wasted time and that was why the North and Hausas got angry and executed the counter coup which killed General Aguiyi Ironsi because he was protecting the Anioma Igbo Coup planners and their Yoruba and IJAW co-conspirators. What baffles me is how IGBOS from Anioma will turn around to abuse and disrespect IGBOS from South East for all their troubles by saying and sometimes working against Igbos from the South East for no reason. Igbo have never worked against them in the Nigerian project, but when they cause trouble like Major Nzeogwu and co. or when religious or ethnic riot and trouble starts in the North or west of Nigeria every person both minorities from the South of Nigeria are regarded as Igbos and killed and their property destroyed and displaced. When Asaba and Anioma people surrendered and welcomed the federal forces during the war and were massacred by genocide in Asaba other Igbos did not caused that. Genocide and mass killing happened in hundreds and thousands also in Enugu, Nsukka, Uzuakoli, Item, Awka, Owerri, Aba, Isikwuato, Abagana etc. during the war in thousand on a war caused by ANIOMA IGBOS . When other Igbos in Rivers State, Cross River State etc. surrendered and joined the Federal forces to fight Igbos they forget to remember that the people that started the war and caused the war were Anioma IGBOS and other minorities like Major Alele but they keep wrongly blaming Igbos from the South East as the cause of the problem and the keep hiding the truth. Let me now tell these CONFUSED IGBOS that despite their short lived success after the war by claiming not to be IGBOS thing have changed today: Igbos have a brighter future than ever before and they should get ride of of their false grudges against the IGBOS and move on and they should look at the facts because we have the numbers, we have the resources and we have the potential in this globalized world to do better. The future is on our side and we careless about their false and empty grudges. Check these facts. THE ANIOMAS JUST LIKE THE AROCHUKWU PEOPLE BENEFITED FROM EARLY CONTACT WITH EUROPEANS THROUGH RELIGIOUS CHURCHES AND THE SLAVE TRADE. THE AROS AND ANIOMA PEOPLE PARTICIPATED HEAVILY IN THE SLAVE TRADE BUSINESS THROUGH THE ROYAL NIGER COMPANY AND THE RELIGIOUS CHURCHES AND THAT IS WHY ALL OVER IGBOLAND AROCHUKWU PEOPLE HAVE SETTLEMENTS AND COMMUNITY THROUGH WHICH THEY CONDUCTED THEIR SLAVE TRADE BUSINESS. ALSO THE ANIOMA PEOPLE THROUGH THE RIVER NIGER AND ASABA WAS THE GATEWAY AND THE HEAD QUATERS OF THE ROYAL NIGER COMPANY OF THE 1700-1900 AND WITH THESE CONTACTS WITH THE WHITE PEOPLE AND SLAVE TRADE A LOT OF AROCHUKWU PEOPLE AND ANIOMA PEOPLE WERE EDUCATED IN THE 1700, 1900, TILL THE 1960S BECAUSE THEY ANIOMA AND THE AROCHUKWU PEOPLE OCCUPIED GREAT POSITION IN IGBOLAND AND NIGERIA THROUGH WHAT THEY GAINED IN SLAVE TRADE AND CONTACT WITH THE WHITEMAN.] BUT THINGS HAVE CHANGED THE CORE AND NATIVE IGBOS HAVE WAKEN UP AND CATCHUP IN EDUCATION AND BUSINESS AND TODAY IN ALL OF THE IGBOS STATES THE IGBO NATIVE HAVE TAKEN OVER IN GOVERNMENT, EDUCATION, BUSINESS, TRADE AND OTHER ENDEAVORS AND THIS HAS BEEN CAUSING RESENTMENTS AMONG THE ANIOMAS AND THE AROCHUKWU PEOPLE. MANY YEARS AGO AROCHUKWU PEOPLE CONTROLLED THE BUSINESS AND EDUCATION IN IGBOLAND THROUGH THEIR SETTLEMNTS IN MANY OTHER IGBOS AREAS BUT TODAY NATIVES IGBOS HAVE TAKEN OVER IN ABIA, IMO, ANAMBRA, RIVERS, ENUGU, EBONY ETC. THE NATIVE IGBOS HAVE MOMENTUM NOW AND THESE ARE THE FACTS TO THE ANIOMA AND OTHER IGBOS WHO DO NOT WANT TO SEE THE FUTURE AS IGBOS ARE BACK AND BACK IN FULL FORCE AND THE SKY IS OUR LIMIT AS WE HAVE THE POPULATION, RESOURCES AND ZEAL TO DO BETTER. FACTS, DATA AND NUMBERS TO BACK IT UP FOR IGBOS: (1) Igbos have a population of almost 50 million people World Wide with about 40 million in Nigeria (2) Anioma Igbos and Other Igbos in River State, Cross River etc. have a population of about 3 million people world wide (3) They should know that Igbos in South East have the resources and potential to do more than they can ever deam of cos we have the numbers and potential as the world is changing fast. (4) In education you cannot compete with Igbos in any level in education and manpower because we have the numbers (5) in Business in Nigeria, Africa and Worldwide you know you cannot compete with Igbos (6) In South East Igbo we have oil and gas, coal, ceramics, palm oil, Cement limestone in abundant quantity in Nkalagu, Abakiliki, Afikpo, Oharoara, Large rubber plantation in Abam, Abriba,Ulonna, Isikwuato, Umuahia, Okigwe. (7) We have large and resourceful farmlands and agriculture in Abakaliki, Ebonyi, Abia, Ogbaru, Afikpo, Ngwaland, Bende, Enugu,Nsukka, Obolor Afo, Nkannu, Okigwe, Abam, Ohafia etc We have abundant resources for development. (  Go to Lagos, Kano, Abuja, Ibadan, Akure, Sokoto, Onitsha, Nnewi, Aba, Warri, Benin, Jos, Sokoto, Cotonou, Ghana,Liberia, Ivory Coast South Africa, Cameroon, USA, Britain, Europe, Portharcourt, All over Nigeria and West Africa none of you can compete with IGBOS in any field and in all the niche busiesss areas in commerce, pharmaceutical, building material, goods, supplies, provisions, electronics, hotel, computer and telecommunication etc.(9)in every major town in Nigeria and all the major markets and commercial business activities in Nigeria and west Africa from Alaba international market, Oyingbo Market, Ibadan Market Cotonou market, Togo, Balogun, Onitsha International market, Aba, Kano International , Makurdi, Kogi, Illorin,market, Jos, Cotonou, Angola, Gabon, Calabar market, portharcourt Igbos have created a presence and dominance in commerc and industry that only creativity and hardwork can deliver it and prove it (10)Talk of major transportation sector, Entertainment, music, media and movies and home videos IGBOS are dominant. Go to every major city and state in Nigeria and ask the Governors, leaders or emirs, obas and chief on much Igbos pay in taxes and dues and you will be shocked. example Lagos State Governor has attested to that in addtion to Kano and plateau State to name of few that are glad for Igbos to invest there. As it is right now no matter what happens South Igbos have five states and we do get our share of the national cake in addition to our senators and house members and our share of the national cake and we do not have to fight with other many minority tribes like in (Delta or Rivers) for who should be the Governor or other positions. in these five core Igbo States these position goes to IGBO rain or sun no matter what and we do not have to share it with any body and still we want more states. (11)The few businesss and some banks which Anioma Igbos and other Igbos owned and operates and have some Directors and CEO of some banks and few business cannot survive without Igbo customers and Igbo business. If Igbo Customers and Igbo business pull their money from few business or banks with Directors or share holders from Anioma those banks will fail - For example if Igbo pull out their money from any of the few banks in Lagos, Onitsha, Kano, Abuja, Asaba, Aba, Enugu, owerri,Kano, Portharcourt, Calabar, Akwa Ibom, Sokoto, Kaduna, Ibadan and all the major towns in Nigeria these businesses and banks owned by few Anioma and other Igbo it will fail. Igbo patronize these banks and business own by Anioma and other Igbos because we still regard you as brothers and sisters but your atitude towarsd the Igbos is abhoring especailly since you are the one that started the civil war and problem in Nigeria (12) The time when you used Babangida and his wife with her bottom power agenda is over and besides Babangida and his wife only helped their inlaws the Okogwu and Odogwu and you had that time and it is over and you should not be blaming IGBOS for anything you did not get. Igbos from the South East did not cause your problem in Nigeria. It is caused by your own people but rather Igbos suffered because we tried through General Aguiyi Ironsi,Colonel Ojukwu and General Madiebo etc to protect you and all Igbos on the probelm you started (13)You also have other ethnic groups to deal with who are your real problems in Delta and River States like the Ijaws, Urhobos, Itshekiris, EDo etc and more other tribes you have to deal with and those are your immediate problems and not the IGBOS from South East You can hate the IGBOS as much as you want, but just know that you need us more than we need you. We Igbos in the South East have always regarded and respects our Igbo brothers from River State, Delta State, Cross River State, Akwa Ibom State and Igbos in Benue State. The lies and propaganda of the Civil War has been used to confused you guys and please take a look at the facts and you will see that Igbos have done you no wrong despite the false claim AND WE STILL REGARD ALL IGBOS FROM DELTA STATE, RIVER STATE, CROSS RIVER STATE, AKWA IBOM STATE, BENUE STATE AS BROTHER AND SISTER NO MATTER WHATSOME OF YOU HAVE DONE TO US WITH YOUR LIES AND COMPLEX, 1 Like |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by tonychristopher: 6:04pm On Jun 17, 2013 |
ever, the writer pushed further and too far indeed when he stated that Agbor people speak Ika language. Agbor is a word that connotes and denotes a people and a kingdom. As stated categorically above, the language spoken by Agbor people is Agbor language, though some sections speak a unique language being Oza. It must be again reiterated, as far as every Agbor man, woman and child is concerned that Ika as a language is a political creation, and the time for confusing the good and peaceful people of Agbor about their origins, traditions, culture, customs and language have come and gone. We as a people humbly demand that our respect be given to us; just we do not try to deprive others of their respect. It is to be noted that Ika came with colonialism and our people existed before colonialism. I want to believe that the author is aware of the age-long adage, ‘’Esan Aigbe Edo’’, literarily meaning, Esan person does not fight Edo person. Put differently, Esan and Edo are related but are not same, though both are in Edo State. In the same vein, an Auchi person though from Edo State is not an Edo person. Edo is the same as Bini, the dominant group in Edo State. The reference to our revered monarch as a possible rebellious chief from Benin, which the author mentioned as coming from the writer, Joseph Egherevba, is one we from ancient and revered Kingdom of Agbor take as very insulting and debasing, apart from the fact that it is categorically , and for the record, wrong. It would have been expected, or may I say, more relevant, had the author at least included the works and accounts of Agbor indigenes such as Pa Iduwe, who rightly said that before Agbor people had any contact with the Binis, Agbor has always been an autonomous and well-educated kingdom. As it is known today, this kingdom at various times was ruled by Ogelles, Ogisos and Ezes, the last having no connotations to Igbos, as Agbor people are equally no Igbos. Emeke Esogbue needs be reminded that the account of Iduwe as an Agbor man and many more like him should be reference materials known to be more authentic and complete background knowledge of the history, people and kingdom of Agbor. . Pa Iduwe had wide sources of information about the origin of his people. After all, no man tells the story of another man better than the man himself. The tangential reference therefore to Iduwe’s account is a deliberate mischief. It is sad, offensive and misrepresentation of truth and fact for the writer to state that ‘‘Agbor consists of 23 villages and a metropolis called Orogodo (Boji Boji)’’. It is a fact that Agbor has over 50 villages in addition to Agbor metropolis often referred to as Orogodo, the name of the spiritually potent river in the kingdom. Again, another point to be corrected, as misrepresentation of truth and facts, is the author’s reference to Oza Nogogo as Ozarra. The nickname is derogatory to the Agbor people of Oza who The Crown holds very dear to the kingdom. It is indeed as injurious as the people of Agbor being referred to as Ika persons, being that Agbor predates any such construct or notion by hundreds, if not thousands of years. Emeke Esogbue I believe betrayed his neutral viewpoint when he wrote, ‘‘Ute Okpu shares border with Agbor, Idumuesah, Ekuku and Otolokpo.’’ Was he referring to Ekuku Agbor? And if that be the case, why was Agbor listed again as a border community with Ute Okpu, knowing full well that Ekuku Agbor not Ekuku is a ‘Big Estate’ of Agbor and an integral part of The Crown of Agbor’s domain and kingdom? We as a people, would wish, out of the spirit of goodwill, to believe that this was an honest mistake and error rather than perceive it as a deliberate act, just as it would be in good faith that believe that Agbor Alidinma , Obi Iduhor and other Agbor communities were deliberately shut out of his write-up. For the record again, it would be the wish of the peaceful, good natured and loving people of Agbor Kingdom to look at the references to Ekuku instead of the correct Ekuku Agbor , to be an innocent and honest mistake by the writer , rather than as something aimed at giving a possible documentary weapon for future applications. Though some infractions, possibly influenced by vestigial objectives exist, I sincerely believe that the work is not entirely a fairytale. All that is needed by every conscientious Agbor man, woman, boy, girl, is to join hands to ensure that the truth is allowed to stand on all fours. Agbor Kingdom has in time past already suffered in the hands of those who might not have been best people the kingdom could have put forward or that were imposed on us as leaders to call the shots; but against all odds and by the special grace of God, these situations shall one day come to an end . We as a people, we tell our stories ourselves. The change will come one day by God’s grace, peacefully taking into consideration that as a people and in a large nation called Nigeria, we all must be our brothers’ and sisters’ genuine keepers, if we wish the rain of success to bless us and our future generations. Agbor people and kingdom will rise again. It will once again be roared ‘‘Ogi Azun Eh Gbon Ohinmin’’, as in the days when our great and still revered monarchy truly warded off turbulent ocean currents with its back. We thank Emeke Esogbue nonetheless for reminding as Agbor people that indeed we were once a military and political giant. We take from him the ancient saying that, as it was in the beginning so shall it be one day again, as certainly Agbor Kingdom will rise again to be the beautiful, mighty, yet peaceful city-kingdom she once was. As such, we remain a united kingdom, politics and oil notwithstanding. - See more at: http://thepointernewsonline.com/?p=17497#sthash.HGpQbTVx.dpuf |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by tonychristopher: 6:05pm On Jun 17, 2013 |
Thanks a lot my brothers for all your contributions. Well, information, they say helps avert deformation. Before I start, I will like to enjoin everyone to desist from name-calling and the use of expletives in verbalizing their convictions. I grew up in the palace of the late Obi of Abavo..........Obi Jegbefume II. As such, I am fully familiar with the culture and customs of our people. My mother (late), was a daughter of the revered Obi. So that makes me a grandson of the Monarch. I know that it is a taboo to swear at someone while at the same time trying to woo his audience. I said that to make clear that I am not one son bred in the diaspora, who never touched base with events at home. My Brothers, I think this is a very dicey matter that requires careful consideration. First and foremost, it should do us all a tonne of good to accept that Ika people are a little microcosm of different tribal influences who have, overtime, become indistinct in our identity. That we have elements of Bini culture in our lands remains something incontestable. However, it will be wrong to attribute our history totally to the Bini kingdom. There have been goings on and inter-relationship between us and all the people surrounding us, as is bound to happen under such circumstances. However, it will be stupid to base our conclusions on that singular fact. I do not know what the play is about, but it seems to me that about 95% of our culture is Ibo! About 98% of our language is Igbo. Our names are 98% Igbo. Why are we drawing closer to the Edo, who do not even have a place for us in their history? Is it not clear that Ika is an older entity than Edo? Shouldn't that singular fact puncture some of the notions marrying us to a common identity with the Edo? Go read your history well........... I saw firsthand that when Bini became a regional super power, its many tactics included romances with all the many ethnic groups bordering it. Another method employed was the wooing of the monarchs of these nations around her. Our Obis began to marry their daughters. These ladies, in turn, introduced some Bini lifestyles into the courts. Most of these people we refer to as our founding fathers were never binis themselves. They were strong people from our lands who went as sojourners in that land and came back with a system of monarchy identical to the Binis'. They brought back the Igue festival and some titles, much the same way we borrowed, lately, some things from the European culture. People influence people. Yes, there were people living in here before Benin ever came! Intermarriage with the Binis, for the few who did it, only succeeded in introducing some names of things the Edo way. If you look closely you will discover that our lifestyles and culture never was synonymous with that of the Binis. All the different Igbo-sounding languages in Delta State today seem to be distantly related. Any claims that we do not understand the Aniocha, the Ukwuani, the Ndokwa, the Oshimili, the Ibo, is a blatant lie. There is a measure of understanding! It seems to me that we are from the same stock. Languages grow. If you are to come back to this earth in200 years from now, you'd be surprised what your great, great, great grandchildren will be speaking! But you will still tell they are from the same linguistic stock! This is not so with the Bini language. I do not understand a thing they say! Some of our people sojourned in Edo land in the early years, so some names were imported into our parlance. But our language is a plain dialect of Igbo. Our culture is more Ibo than Edo. We are more Ibo in everything than we are the Edo. Similarities between us and the Edos came as a result of our proximity. Don't accept baseless conjectures. Look at at the facts. The Edo names were products of Edo families which later migrated and settled with us. The word 'Ehi' from where we got the names 'Ehima, Ehiedu, etc is a misnomer of the word Eri, or Nri. It makes us at par with our real brothers, the Ibos. That is why Owa Kingdom accepts and preaches Nri as their source. Thank you for reading. http://www.ikaworld.com/index.php?mod=comment&article=256 1 Like |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by tonychristopher: 6:07pm On Jun 17, 2013 |
[b]By the unbiased streams of evidence before us, language and other communication nuances, Ika people are Igbo sub-ethnic group, no doubt. The history of the Igbo people from the pre-colonial times upholds a system that was devoid of any centrality of administration that was strong enough to influence the culture of the neighbouring disparate communities, unlike the Bini's whose influence extended up to Lagos and Dahomey. That the Ikas inspite of their proximity to Benin and their political influence still retain much of Igbo in their language demonstrates a good measure of traces of origin. What is Umu-ezechima in Benin? What in Nta (small) in Benin? When we are talking about migration, we should be holistic in our analysis. Most groups that claim having migrated from Benin forgot to tell us from where their forefathers immigrated into the Kinding in the first instance. When the influence of the Benin kindgdom began to wane, why did these communities move east/southeast in search of settlement rather than west, south or north? This Benin claim should be seen for what it had been: an insurance policy by a weaker settlement from an almighty kingdom against invasion , and not a proof of origin. For God's sake, why can't people who answer identical names and can relate almost seamlessly not see themselves as brothers and sister. The Igboman is too republican to be involved in the chase for political hegemony, the pastime of the Benis, theYorubas , and the Fulanis of t[/b] |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by Nobody: 7:11pm On Jun 17, 2013 |
I Don Vex |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by igboboy1(m): 7:49pm On Jun 17, 2013 |
ngozievergreen: I Don Vex nwelu ya nwayo o.... |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by pazienza(m): 1:54am On Jun 18, 2013 |
Haha! Agbontae wants to pull down the igbo union to build an Ika union,meanwhile the agbor man from the article above wants to pull down the Ika union agbontae has so much laboured for,just to build a stronger Agbor, isn't it funny? |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by pazienza(m): 1:57am On Jun 18, 2013 |
tonychristopher: When i read articles and opinions like the above one from our Ika brothers,my heart leaps with joy,and i know for real that igbo nine bu ofu! |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by Nobody: 7:17am On Jun 18, 2013 |
igbo boy: Its over to agbotaen |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by tonychristopher: 2:04pm On Jun 18, 2013 |
Okpanam was founded by Okpam from Utchi, and are considered relatives of Ogwashifrom Nri in Anambra State. The particular communities of the present Anioma region that trace their origin to the Igbo are the Ibusa (Igbo-Uzo) whose ancestors are from Nri(Nshi in the dialect of the people) and Isu. The Ibusa community represents the very first of the Igbo migration out the Igbo known society to the western part of the River Niger. We know that several Ezechime migrants from Benin also settled in Ibusa. Others are Ogwashi-Uku from Nri and Benin. Ewulu was founded by a man from Anam in present Anambra State. Ndoni migrated from Okehi, a place lying close to Owerri. The Akwukwu are from Nri. Isheagu people migrated from Awka. Illah from Nri, Ute-Okpu from Nri, Benin and Ora in Edo State.18/06/2013 anioma.org The Ejeme Unor people are known to be fraternal of Ibusa just as Utchi are fraternalrelatives of Ogwashi who are largely from Nri. Umukwata are also fraternalrelatives of Abbi. The Obomkpa people share origins with Nri and Benin linking them to the Ezechime migrants. Ute-Okpu origin is divided between Nri, Benin and Ora in present Edo state. The Abbi originated from a place called Achalla in Awka, Anambra State. Asaba was was founded by people from Nteje later joined by other people from Igala. The Ogbeowele still maintain that that they originated from Oba in Anambra State. Oligbo is a well known name till today within the communities of Anioma, thus one of the most commonly borne names in Ibusa. This true origin of the name suggests the relationship between the originalfounders of Ibusa and the Ezechime migrants that later settled in Ibusa. Ogbowele is also a quarter prominently lying in Ibusa. It is another gathers another point of relationship between the Ibusa and Ezechime. Further researches will dig and precisely exhume the relationships in existence. Interestingly, the origins of the people of Anioma have been preserved in form of the names they[/b] |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by tonychristopher: 2:21pm On Jun 18, 2013 |
onye ma obu ndi iwe na ewe,owegbuo ha,maka na aga m ekwu eziokwu ,hapu ndi bu jusa na peter,ha si na ha bu ndi igbo, nsogbu adighi mana ha si na ha abughi ndi igbo, kpotopkoto agba na anya ehi |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by tonychristopher: 2:39pm On Jun 18, 2013 |
Oriahi Matthew Afamefuna My name, as listed above, is an amlgamation of Bini/Esan, English and Ibo. so who am I? Where am I from? The article by the learned Dr is certainly unhelpful. Obviousl I am not an English man. If my ancestors are from Bini, how come the names of our physiological features, our food and our Deities are predominantly Ibo? While we may not necessarily be from the across the Niger, available evidence indicate that we and the Ibos have the same origin. The Bini empire dominated us by conquest. http://www.ikaworld.com/index.php?mod=comment&article=256&page=2 |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by tonychristopher: 2:47pm On Jun 18, 2013 |
Ika is Igbo. It is a dialect in Igbo language just like Ngwa and Aro in Abia state, Ezza in Enugu state, etc. There's no point continuing an embarassing clinging on to Bini and all that. What does Eze Chime mean in Bini, talking to the Aniochas etc? The civil war has ended long ago. Let's offload our hired historians and their baggage. No one shall kill us for claiming to be the Igbo people we are. The original inhabitants were Igbo and were only influenced by a wave of massive immigration from Bini within a period of 600 to 1,000 ago. |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by Idunobaehis(m): 5:49pm On Jun 20, 2013 |
The people tonychrıstopher is copying and pasting are as deluded as him. Imagine someone saying Igbanke being a corrupt form of Igbanke and Ehi bein corrupted from Nri. Lmao. 1 Like |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by Idunobaehis(m): 5:51pm On Jun 20, 2013 |
The people tonychrıstopher is copying and pasting are as deluded as him. Imagine someone saying Igbanke being a corrupt form of Igbanke and Ehi bein corrupted from Nri. My name starts with Ehi so shortened to Ehis just as names starting with Chuku are shortened to Chuks. 1 Like |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by Idunobaehis(m): 6:12pm On Jun 20, 2013 |
tonychristopher: Every true Ika man knows that Ika has never being or accepted being Igbo. You igbos keep mentioning the civil war as if Ika had been igbo befor then. 1 Like |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by igboboy1(m): 6:39pm On Jun 20, 2013 |
Idun'oba ehis: ika is not igbo...they are from north west limpopo in zambia |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by ChinenyeN(m): 7:09pm On Jun 20, 2013 |
I'm intrigued by you people's tenacity in keeping on with this topic, as if to say something new is being contributed with each subsequent post. |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by agbotaen: 7:25pm On Jun 20, 2013 |
1. first of all , every one is free to hold an opinion , but most people here write falsehood , ika is an amalgamation of many tribes fused into one , over a long period , but our culture and history and stories point to benin as the place of the original founders , that does not make us benins, because if we were binis our fathers in 1930 will not have written to the british and made the declaration that ika is not a part of any ethnic group in nigeria.that ika is an ethnic group of its own. 2. igbos also migrated into ika area ,but ika people are not igbo , this we in our majority rejected in 1966-67 , when igbos and biafra claimed that ika was part of igbo land , and the ika people including the present obi of owa helped the nigeria troops to expell igbos and biafra from ika land, and our people said we are not igbo and so it is . 3. ehi is not taken from nri , so dont push wrong information to people , ehi is an edo word also used by ika people to mean guardian spirit or personal god , and in ika language we know those words that are taken from edo , or yoruba and those taken from igbo and those that are indegenous to ika alone , so dont come hear and spread falsehood , if you dont know ika culture please go and learn, 4. if you claim to be an ika , you should know that many ika people have edo surname and igbo first name , but if you are wise you will know the family name is older than someones first name, jim ovia is an ika person, while jim is a british name , ovia is an edo name, 2. nduka irabor , is an ika man , having an igbo first name and an edo family name , 3. the names of some of the obis that have ruled abavo are 1. the first obi was avbavbo , we have 2. jegbefume .3. ekhator, 4.ihaifun and others who bore edo names , and the present obi is uche irenuma jegbefume , you can also see edo names in his names. 4. the present obi of owa is emmanuel dumbiri efeizomor obaigbena ,okundaiye , you can see all his edo names as his surname while dumbiri is an igbo name. 5. ika culture is 80 percent edo culture , while we share many similarities with igbo in terms of language ,but ika also has lots of differences with igbo also in terms of language , we have studied our language and we know those words that come from igbo and those that come from edo. 6. isoko and uhrobo speak a very similar language yet they are different ethnic group, esan and bini speak a similar or near language but they are different ethnic group , itsekiri speak very near language to yoruba but mixed with bini ,but they are a seperate ethnic group from yoruba or bini , 7. ika to some people might speak a very near language to igbo ,but ika is a seperate ethnic group ,we are not igbo , and we have never claimed to be igbo, not now and it will never be , even if igbo people keep dreaming, remember that igbos tried it during the civil war and it failed , if they try it again , it will fail , but you have the liberty to use internet and write whatever you like about ika , that is you igbo business. 8. ika people in their majority avoid igbos like a plague and that is why up till date , there is no notable ika king or person in ohaneze ndigbo , unless the ika person does not know his history , or he is from say mayy be igbodo or ekwuoma who are at the exteremes of ika culture. 9.even if you go to the official site of owa kingdom on facebook , what you see is owa speaks ika language , they did not say owa speaks igbo or ika-ibo , that means ika is a language and we are bent on reviving it , and that is why ogua/onu ika -our socio- cultural organisation has set 2016 as the year to start teaching ika in schools in ika land . 10. as for the man who said ika is not significant , when our forefahers were building kingdoms about 1000 years ago , you people were just unorganised , if not for europeans that assisted igbos what did they have ? 11. an ika man is one of the richest and most successful nigerian business man , he is called jim ovia , he is from agbor , 2. nduka obaigbena is from owa and he is the duke of nigerian media 3. dikenriehi orogodo nicolas okoh is head of anglican church in nigeria , he is from owa 4. steve omojafor is APCON president and he is from agbor 5. major general ugo buzugbe is from owa and he is secretary to nigeria army 6. senator ifeanyi okowa is from owa and he is chairman senate committee on health 7. chief professor osuhon is from umunede and he was a former minister midwest nigeria 8. anuku from owa was a former minister western region 9. commander anuku was the first nigerian navy officer trainned abroad and later became commander biafra army 10. chief osaigbovou ogbemudia is from igbanke and he was the former midwest governor and that of bendel state , 11. prince sam obi from ute-okpu was former acting governor delta state and speaker of delta state 12. martins okonta is from abavo and he was former speaker delta state 13. dr. okunbor is presently chief of staff to delta governor 14. chief agbele is presntly accountant -general of delta state , 15. chief godson echiegile eguabor is the ambassador to sieraleone and from owa kingdom 16. joe orewa was former bantamweight boxing champion and he is from agbor kingdom, 17. chief fortune ebie was first nigeria director of housing and he is from agbor , and many other people who are ika who have made their mark world over , and finally does igbo people have a monarchy that equals the dein of agbor - the youngest crowned king in the world , the youngest pro-chncellor in africa and the youngest recipient of belgian royal award ? if you do not know any thing about ika , then keep quiet , as ika people have already taken their decision to be ika .we are not bini or igbo 12. as for the man that claimed to be abavo , please go and study abavo culture or may be i should give you some lessons on abavo culture ----------------------------------------------- 1. the ruling house in abavo is called ihaifun and that is surely an edo word 2. the real name of abavo kingdom was avbavbo but in 1906 the british changed it to abavo and avbavbo is an edo name 3. the official greeting of the obi of abavo is obi domo , domo obi and domo is a bini greeting 4. the greatest festival celebrated in abavo till date is the igue festival and its same with that of the benin monarch , and they sing songs like donegbare , with shouts of obi iselogbe - which means happy new year in bini ,and they still say igue yenwen 5. the deities in abavo are still ovia, olokun, idigun, ohunweendeen, ohai, idinwina , and this are still basic edoic deities and cults , but with the newyam and ikenga being of igbo origin . 6. abavo chiefs still go by edo titles like uwangue , eribo, ologboshere, obaseki and others , let me stop at that , i will write more later , 13. i speak owa and pure ika dialect and no one will who is an outsider will teach me my language and if many people dont know how to speak proper ika , its not my fault , that is their business and that is why we have been saying that ika people should learn their culture and stop giving igbo names to their children , unless such names reflect our culture .we have names like ------------------------------ 1. ighogho - happiness , instead of using the igbo word anwili 2. Gods blessing is ehiabor 3. god has given me free is ehiyemofe 4. gold is erunmuh 5. igbenehi - i seek refuge in god 6. osifo- from the sentence osimefori ile( may my honor not dissapear) 7. agbonifo- may my world or family not disappear 8. ugbebor- may my family be blessed 9. ogbekile- may my family not fall 10. ujehi- dance of god 11. ebonka- family is greatest 12. agbonma -it is family that knows 13. okpohoka- woman is greatest 14. okpohose- woman of god 15, okenyenehike- man is greatest 16. obihain- it is because of the king 17. igbenoba - i seek refuge in the king , from the sentence mgbeni oba 18. ighoghosonogbe---------- hapiness is in the family 19. oyo- joy 20 - oyoehi - joy of god 21. omiken is mercy , instead of an ika person bearing ebere 22.osesiaeri- god is my witness 23. mosieri - god is my witness 24. ehioma - the good lord , instead of chioma , 25. ehiedu , god leads instead of chinedu , 26. osewuedion - god is senior , the real word for senior or old man in ika is edion or edionma , and not the word diokpa that most ika people say today, 27. okpohowuku- woman is a good inheritance , 28. olaye- the volt 29 , edike -lion hearted 30. iyare- godly protection 31, ikpanminose- god i thank you , instead of kelechuku ,and many more , ika is a distint civilization and it has come to stay , and just like my brother prince nduka obaigbena whose grandfather was former obi of owa said in newyork times that he is from ika a small ethnic group in delta state ,nigeria ,that is the believe of the majority of ika people , although there are still some few who believe they are igbos, but that cannot shake the opinion of majority as they will take a desciscion in times of difficulty like when they rejected being igbo or following igbo in the war , but we still had some few who fought for biafra , let me state again that ika is not igbo and ika is not bini , but ika is just ika |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by agbotaen: 7:33pm On Jun 20, 2013 |
1. please let the igbo people tell us the deities ika people worship and tell us which one is igbo and which one is from edo ? 2. what makes up ika culture ? mention our culture by name and tell us where they are from ? so many people here make vague sentences or copy what others wrote to make a point? 3. tell us the igbo things or philosophy in ika ? |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by OneNaira6: 7:46pm On Jun 20, 2013 |
Afam4eva: lmfaooo. coming here makes me laugh |
| Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by agbotaen: 8:01pm On Jun 20, 2013 |
do not run from my questions since all the igbo people here are experts on ika history and culture , simply tell us which ika culture is igbo and which is not, please name them one by one and explain? if you cannot do it , then i will help you do it , and like i have said i am armed with my family and village history since 13th century when my fore father became the obi of owa kingdom |
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