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Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by ChinenyeN(m): 5:09pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
Abagworo: It isn't my intention to derail people's discussion. I just want to point out that there is no evidence to suggest the collapse of a centralized system. Let's be careful with how we tread, just for the sake of making a point. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by Abagworo(m): 10:54pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
ChinenyeN: The discovery at Igboukwu suggests nobility and no one could explain much making it a lost heritage. Such names as Ezechima, Ezebuiro, Ezebunwa etc. suggest existence of Eze in the past, its collapse and ban. If you are into Igbo folk tales, I believe you must have heard several stories of Kingship in the past. The founder of Ibusa in Delta State is said to be an Isu Prince. Prince Umejei the son of King Eze Isu, near Awka, killed his opponent during a wrestling match. This was an abomination and Prince Umejei was forced to go into exile instead of hanging. His sister Omoha accompanied him. Prince Umejei left, carrying on his head a pot of charms given to him by his father with the instruction to settle wherever the pot drops. After crossing the Niger the pot dropped at Ani Ohe. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by ChinenyeN(m): 11:28pm On Jul 21, 2013 |
I presumed your earlier statement was all-inclusive. If you're limiting it to certain communities or regions then I could understand, if that is what their histories suggest or emphasize. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by olisaokere(m): 11:53am On Jul 22, 2013 |
sonya4all: foolish idiot. So DEIN is now Dee.I don't know why these igbons are fabrication experts.that's How they said EBELE means Ebere.in goodluck Jonathan's name. ewobi. mkpa la ma weh. SHARAAAAAP!...Was it not your present Agbor king that changed his title from Obi to deinis he not the only traditional ruler going by the title DEIN which he chose for himself against the wish of his council men? |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by sonya4all(m): 5:00pm On Jul 22, 2013 |
Where is this maggot creeping out from...What is your business on what title he choose for himself..Besides was that d question you should be answring? |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by Idunobaehis(m): 6:01pm On Jul 22, 2013 |
olisaokere:Do you know Umunede's Royal family also go by the name Mmu Dein? |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by tonychristopher: 7:57pm On Jul 22, 2013 |
Idun'oba ehis: What is the difference between Ebele which anambra and delta. Use and Ebere which IMO and abia use What the difference between Anthony and Antonio This guy mental slavery and stupidity is legendary I must say ..... I have never seen a mental slavery of this magnitude Yes there is Dee in IMO state and agbor sounds more like owerri I was with my ika friend yesterday I asked him this? He said that I shouldn't mind the sons of migrants What is the meaning of dein and let's analyse it cos I do know for sure in owerri dee is a way of respecting an elder and if I may ask in ika what is dein Educate me and have you gone to edo to fraternize there Give me a thread or write up that categorically said ika is not igbo by any notable son of ikaland then I will believe you Don't go and get stupid write up from unitelligent people like you I have visited ika website and majority don't agree with you and I have ika friends they speak plain igbo not these antiquated dead language that you posted here The name of one ika king is Ikechukwu not ikeehi as you claimed that you call God ehi which is travesty and out rageous Finally have you ever asked other tribes which ethnicty is ika |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by igboboy1(m): 9:35pm On Jul 22, 2013 |
Idun'oba ehis: Just thought i should let you know, wizboy of owusagi fame is from umunede. GO and tell him he is not igbo and he will just laugh and buy you nkwobi. 4 Likes |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by NRIPRIEST(m): 11:24pm On Jul 22, 2013 |
I don't know what "Dein" means in Ika but Idenmili uses the word "Nwadei","Umejei", and Oshimili also uses "Nwadei" and Umudei/Nmudei. Now,I know what "Dein" means in my Idenmili dialect but I wanna know what it means in Ika. Infact,I will go ahead and give the translation of Nwadei,which means behold a great child/a great child/a great one/an exalted child/one on a high place. Now,I will like to know the definition of your "Dein of Agbor" title. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by sonya4all(m): 11:26pm On Jul 22, 2013 |
there is no point educating retards. and if you don't know ebele is short for ebelemi in goodlucks name. and to the silly igbo boy.am from umunede. and wizboy is from ile quarters. and proudly ika.he even used it in his chorus.stop spewing trash. igbon |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by NRIPRIEST(m): 11:34pm On Jul 22, 2013 |
sonya4all: there is no point educating retards. and if you don't know ebele is short for ebelemi in goodlucks name. and to the silly igbo boy.am from umunede. and wizboy is from ile quarters. and proudly ika.he even used it in his chorus.stop spewing trash. igbon Oga,go ahead and address the post above your last post. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by NRIPRIEST(m): 11:37pm On Jul 22, 2013 |
Everybody knows that GEJ isn't Igbo and his names are Ijaw....So,what's the biggie ? |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by sonya4all(m): 11:42pm On Jul 22, 2013 |
but your igbon kins still Claims him as an igbo son.because he bears ebele and azikiwe.gullible igbos. no dein means Dee in ika.owobi gbui. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by NRIPRIEST(m): 11:56pm On Jul 22, 2013 |
I'm from Anambra and not Imo that uses Dee/Dede and I don't know what it means. Again,I have told you what I know and I expect you play your part. Address my post or you shut up like the coward you are! |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by sonya4all(m): 12:36am On Jul 23, 2013 |
For all you igbo propaganda stars.below is the Meaning and origin of the word dein. And not your Dee. Oral tradition as well as documented history claims that theDein Dynasty was founded by Ebonka who reigned as the kingdom’s first Dein (1270-1307). “Dein” is derived from “Dehin”, a word strongly attached to “Warrior”..Past Deins of Agbor(i) Dein Ebonka (1270-1307),(ii) Owuwu (1307-1333), (iii) Akina (1333-1460), (iv) Agho (1460-1518), (v) Oguade (1518-1594), (vi) Aisama(1594-1630), (vii) Oseh (1630-1650), (viii) Adigwe (1650-1740), (ix) Dein Modu (1650-1795), (x) Dein Obanor(1795-1795), (xi) Dein Igbe Nije (1795-1885), (xii) Dein Odin (1885-1890), (xiii) Dein Gbenoba (1890-1911), (xiv) Dein Agbobu (1911-1935), (xv) Obi Gbewoba (1935-1967), (xvi) Dein Ikenchuku (1967-1979)(Information obtained from Omania Magazine). |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by bigfrancis21: 1:17am On Jul 23, 2013 |
igbo boy: I never knew Wizboy was delta Igbo. Always thought he was from Enugu because he always sings in the Enugu Igbo flavour. Nice to know this. @Bolded: this is to further confirm that the successful, well-to-do, elite class of delta igbo have no issue with this identity crisis thing. Its the low class, jobless, lazy and idle ones who go around preoccupying themselves with something as trivial as this. As if the rest of Nigeria even cares. Wizboy, Lynxx Utunu, Tinie Tempah (Chukwuemeka Okongwu from Asaba), the musician from Ukwuani/Ndokwa who sang 'Ani Ndokwa bama mma'(title: egwu asaba. Don't know his name) etc are all prominent delta igbo musicians who are proud Igbos all the time. Please who said Ebele Jonathan was Igbo? No Igbo man has ever come out to claim Jonathan. We all know and see him as an Ijaw man. All along before Jonathan became president he always went by his two names 'Goodluck Jonathan' until recently when his other names, 'Ebele' and 'Azikiwe' surfaced during his presidential aspirations. During his campaign in Enugu in 2011, Jonathan openly said this himself, 'I have 2 Igbo names, 'Ebele' and 'Azikiwe'. Meaning that I'm closer to the Igbo race than you think. That's why I need your votes'. I still clearly remember watching this live on NTA. Together with the one where Patience came to Owerri during the same election period and was blowing rivers Igbo (bonny igbo) where she started her 10-minute speech by openly saying 'a wu m onye igbo'.(This is a woman born to an Okirika father and Umuahia mother). Nobody ever forced these speeches from them. Nobody forced them to say it. Jonathan admitted on his own that HE HAS TWO IGBO NAMES. No Igbo man ever claimed Jonathan or imposed the names on him. Jonathan has no native Ijaw names. If Ebele was actually the so-called 'Ebelemi', I wonder why Jonathan would want to give up his only native Ijaw name and claim its an Igbo name? Does any sound-reasoning person renounce his own native name like that? If Ebele is an ijaw name, what about Azikiwe then? Is that one not an Igbo name? Does that sound Ijaw? Moreover, why has 'Ebelemi' never appeared officially in Jonathan's names all these years, at least for once? Instead, its only been 'Ebele' all these years and counting. Or is Jonathan so dumb that he can't spell his own native name in full? Or did an Igbo man force him to shorten his name? The Ebelemi claim is only but a big hoax. People are just so funny. They keep twisting up facts and bringing up fake claims just to fire their bias. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by sonya4all(m): 7:30am On Jul 23, 2013 |
you guys are very dumb.he actually used that as campaign strategy. because he knows that the gullible igbons will jump up in excitement whenever any successful person claims igbo. as for the case if wizboy. let me educate your dead brains.he lived and schooled in Enugu.which is why he speaks igbo. and who wouldn't when he is in another zone. you adapt to your new environment and behave like them.but as a true ika son.he knew whom he was despite being influenced by environment. furthermore. am from umunede and had all my education from nursery. in the east .and even wrote igbo language in my waec which I credited.I speak,teach and write igbo fluently and legibly.but that was because I was raised in ABA. and that hasn't changed anything about me and my family being proud ikas. So enyia hapu oku. site taa ruo echi anyi awughi ndi igbon. nke ahu i na ako gbasara gi... just keep quiet and learn.afterall that's why most of you are here.you know nothing about the ika nation.don't let What you copied and pasted deceive you.peace out. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by sonya4all(m): 7:41am On Jul 23, 2013 |
@olisa. I hope you have seen that the dein dynasty dates Aa far as 1270.stop arguing blindly. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by bigfrancis21: 9:04am On Jul 23, 2013 |
I've made my point. I'm going by established works and facts. Your coming to this faceless forum to make anti-igbo noises are just effortless. They are not going an inch anywhere beyond this page. Anybody who wants his voice to be heard should take the bold step into the academic world, face the academic world instead of coming up here making childish noises when textbooks, published works, Internet, ebooks, the international community at large, including even publications by Ika children all say otherwise. So far you've not made a single point. Not even a single point. No facts, no links, no citations to support your theory. Just made up lies. The same baseless strategy the other two identity-twisted brothers are using. I'm willing to drop 1001 links that proves Ika are Igbo people while you just can't come up with any. Not even a single one. How pathetic. Learn what? Learn from you? When you cannot string two correct sentences together. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by pazienza(m): 12:06pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
sonya4all: For all you igbo propaganda stars.below is the Meaning and origin of the word dein. And not your Dee. Hope you know that the above list of deins don't support your position. Infact,you shot urself on the foot with above list. The first Obi(dein) of Agbor, Obi Ebonka( family is greater), clearly had an igbo name, which shows the true origin of the aborigenes of agbor. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by Afam4eva(m): 12:13pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
sonya4all: you guys are very dumb.he actually used that as campaign strategy. because he knows that the gullible igbons will jump up in excitement whenever any successful person claims igbo. as for the case if wizboy. let me educate your dead brains.he lived and schooled in Enugu.which is why he speaks igbo. and who wouldn't when he is in another zone. you adapt to your new environment and behave like them.but as a true ika son.he knew whom he was despite being influenced by environment. furthermore. am from umunede and had all my education from nursery. in the east .and even wrote igbo language in my waec which I credited.I speak,teach and write igbo fluently and legibly.but that was because I was raised in ABA. and that hasn't changed anything about me and my family being proud ikas. So enyia hapu oku. site taa ruo echi anyi awughi ndi igbon. nke ahu i na ako gbasara gi...I watched an interview where Wizboy said he's Igbo. Now, go and kill him for that. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by OneNaira6: 1:28pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
sonya4all: there is no point educating retards. and if you don't know ebele is short for ebelemi in goodlucks name. and to the silly igbo boy.am from umunede. and wizboy is from ile quarters. and proudly ika.he even used it in his chorus.stop spewing trash. igbon ROTFLMFAO!!!! It's obvious you've never heard wizboy interview before or even went to any of his concert. Wizboy is proudly Igbo ooo. He's said it on some interview (afam4eva confirmed) and equally said it in his concert, at least the one I went to. Some portions of his concert that stuck to me was the pride he had throughout the concert. In the beginning of one of his songs he said "this is for Nigeria, this is for delta, and this is for Igbo". In the middle of the concert, in effort to get the audience hyped up he said "My people dance, shake your body, umu Igbo get up and shake like we do". He said this in Igbo by the way but I can't write in Igbo. Anyway, after a while, for some reason he said in broken “if na Igbo u be, this music no dey sweet ur body and u no dance, go ask your papa na who be your papa cause you are not one of us. Nigeria where una dey? shake una body." I guess the audience wasn’t that hyped up enough for him or something. During the concert, he left the stage and joined the audience because one of the girls there was getting it. He came next to her, watched her dance for few mins, asked her where she's from and she said imo state, he started dancing and he said "imo state meet delta state umenede" and the girl said "Igbo boys", he replied "yess oo kwenu". I am not one of his fans but his one of the few celebs that came around here. My little sister dragged me to it and I remembered his concert vividly because it was super fun and hilarious. The pride he had for his music, his audience, his Nigerian heritage, his delta heritage and his Igbo heritage was very memorable. Don't speak what you don't know nwoke. By the way, Of course he'll mention where his from in his song. He's from ikaland after all. Is this how you people come to conclusion who sides with you on the "I'm Ika, not Igbo" stanch? chei... chimooo. That's like listening to lynxx song, eziokwu, and then declare that lynxx does not identify as Igbo because he said in his song lyrics "I'm doing this for the east side, South Side, delta where you dey". Chimooo. Nwoke you funny 3 Likes |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by OneNaira6: 1:37pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
bigfrancis21: This man spoke my mind. Brilliant paper |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by sonya4all(m): 2:24pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
see them. like I said earlier,there was no point educating retards.hence am not surprised..if you want to ask for a link,do So politely. but with the way you put it,am not showing you any link.because it wouldn't make any difference correcting you. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by bigfrancis21: 3:18pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
What a pathetic loser. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by Idunobaehis(m): 5:21pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Ika people dont need any link or any site to tell them who they are. Imagine that one faking things about wizboy. @Sonya4luv Wizboy is from Idumu Iba, Ileje Quarters, Umunede. 1 Like |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by Idunobaehis(m): 5:45pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
It is difficult to say how many languages there are, since nobody has been able to decide exactly what makes one language different from it's near neighbour. Dutch for instance, is spoken in Neatherlands, but in nearby Belgium the Flemish language is spoken, which some people say is simply a variation of the same tongue. Experts think that there are about 5,000 languages in the world, but only about thirty of these is of any real importance. English is the most widely-spoken language, but some linguists claim that the honour should be given to Chinese. But Chinese is not one language, for a man from Canton, is unable to converse from, say, Shanghai. 1 Like |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by Idunobaehis(m): 5:55pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Idun'oba ehis:I quoted the above to show those shouting "Ika language is classified Igbo so Ika is Igbo" that even the linguists that made that classification dont even know what make one language different from another. 1 Like |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by tonychristopher: 5:15pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
[s] Asagba of Asaba: why some Igbos denounce their heritage ........The chairman of the lecture, Obi Edozien, re-emphasised this point: “we Igbo people are one. We must stop fighting over irrelevancies and emphasise the essential.” This point arose out of the tendency among Igbo people to regard some groups as not “real” Igbos on basis of dialectal differences. It also exists in the form of clearly Igbo-speaking people with Igbo names and cultural patterns declaring themselves as “not Igbo” but ethnic minorities. This is very rampant among Igbo groups in the South-South zone who believe that by so self-declaring publicly, they would be more acceptable among the real minorities and allowed to take their places as ethnic minorities. Experience has, however, shown that this self-delusion hardly ever produces their desired results. Whenever the push comes to the shove, the real minorities remind them that they are Igbo people who are out to take what belongs to the minorities through the back door. This phenomenon was evident in 2006 when former Governor Peter Odili of Rivers State (who loved to call himself a “Rivers man,” as if Rivers State is a tribe) was running for president. Ijaw leader, Chief Edwin Clark openly declared Odili an Igbo man, arguing that the South-South president that the minorities have been agitating for was not meant to go to “an Igbo man.” Given this situation, there has been an increasing shift of paradigm. Many Igbo groups, especially in Delta State, have decided no longer to play the masquerade. The Obi of Asaba, Professor Edozien, actually laid out conditions he believes will cement Igbo unity permanently. Obi Edozien then called on the people of the South-East zone to support the creation of Anioma State and another for Igbo-speaking people of Rivers State to make for seven states, all of which will be lumped together in one zone or region. [/s] |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by tonychristopher: 5:15pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
[b] Asagba of Asaba: why some Igbos denounce their heritage ........The chairman of the lecture, Obi Edozien, re-emphasised this point: “we Igbo people are one. We must stop fighting over irrelevancies and emphasise the essential.” This point arose out of the tendency among Igbo people to regard some groups as not “real” Igbos on basis of dialectal differences. It also exists in the form of clearly Igbo-speaking people with Igbo names and cultural patterns declaring themselves as “not Igbo” but ethnic minorities. This is very rampant among Igbo groups in the South-South zone who believe that by so self-declaring publicly, they would be more acceptable among the real minorities and allowed to take their places as ethnic minorities. Experience has, however, shown that this self-delusion hardly ever produces their desired results. Whenever the push comes to the shove, the real minorities remind them that they are Igbo people who are out to take what belongs to the minorities through the back door. This phenomenon was evident in 2006 when former Governor Peter Odili of Rivers State (who loved to call himself a “Rivers man,” as if Rivers State is a tribe) was running for president. Ijaw leader, Chief Edwin Clark openly declared Odili an Igbo man, arguing that the South-South president that the minorities have been agitating for was not meant to go to “an Igbo man.” Given this situation, there has been an increasing shift of paradigm. Many Igbo groups, especially in Delta State, have decided no longer to play the masquerade. The Obi of Asaba, Professor Edozien, actually laid out conditions he believes will cement Igbo unity permanently. Obi Edozien then called on the people of the South-East zone to support the creation of Anioma State and another for Igbo-speaking people of Rivers State to make for seven states, all of which will be lumped together in one zone or region. [/b] |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by tonychristopher: 5:18pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
That's a load of horse manure, how is the culture in Agbor any different from the rest of Igbo land. You first need to explain how you came about speaking Igbo because I don't recall anywhere in history where Igbo's went on empire building. If the Ogoni, Ibibio, Efik etc. who share common boundaries with the Igbo retain their distinct language and certain cultures why would far away Agbor lose it's Benin language? You first have to find an authentic name for yourself and leave Anioma to the Asagba and those who you call Igbo or better still head back to Benin and take your rightful spot as the Oba's slave if that makes you feel better. |
Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by tonychristopher: 5:43pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
Thanks for sending this. It is sad that Africans cannot make their countries worth living in. I was reading the book by late Prof Ohadike last night "Anioma: History of the Western Igbo", and noted his reference to Obomkpa where he mentioned your name. He quoted that Kanagba, the founder of Obomkpa was from Nri near Awka. This appears to contradict the claim of Prince Ake Osu of Issele-Uku who asserts that Obomkpa is a branch of the Ezechime clan. I know that there are many histories flying around, but will like you to confirm Ohadike's claim. I love to read anything Anioma. Cheers, |
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