Who says if Lamps goal had been allowed that England would ot have been buoyed to go on and win the game.The game could've gone either way if scores had been 2-2(even if I'd still have preferred the Germans to go through as they look a stronger team),the disallowed goal has cast a HUGE SHADOW on their  "victory"
Be less myopic and hypocritical in your posts please.

Didnt the two teams start at 0-0? How come one was leading 2-0 by 30 mins? The same magic that made them lead 2-0 after 30mins made them lose 4-1.

Who is the hypocrite? A Nation who won their only world cup by a linesman mistake but didnt return the trophy for 44 yrs, when the same decision went against them, they are shouting blue murder.

KARMA is a BIA-TCH.

this German team have not been tested yet, the only real test they faced was Ghana and they almost failed, and again, how many of this german team members succeeded in europe? Bayern munich had foreign players also as the back bone of the team, my point is this german have not really been tested.

Senseless post. Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Muller and Klose played the champions league final, Mesut Ozil played the UEFA cup final last year, Boateng played UEFA cu semi final this year, Khedira was part of the Stuttgart team that lost to Barcelona in the CL second round, Neuer was acclaimed for his heroics in the CL 3 seasons ago

So how do you measure their success. Most of them played in the Euro cup finals 2 yrs ago

next is Argentina on the 3rd of july and thats when we will truly see if that German team is as good as they seem

The German team is not the best in the tournament but England is one of the worst, on the same level with Australia

only 5 players from the German team played in Euro 2008 final so England to a side that is majorly Germany U-21. Pitiful!

Neuer, Boateng, Khedira Ozil all played the UEFA U21 last year, Muller is not even old enough to play U21 as of last yr

dayokanu:

^^^
Thats part of the game, If you dont know, England won the only World cup courtesy of a goal that wasnt. The ball didnt cross the line but was given as a goal.

Remove that one goal and Germany still wins 4-2 if that pleases you

This reasoning is moronic. . . . .
At 2-1, every football fan knows the next goal would be the most important. . . .
If England gets it, the dynamics and the complexion of the game would change and if GERMANY gets it, it's game over. . . . .

Bang, Lampard scored a goal in a period German players were clueless.
Had that goal counted just before the half-time. . . . I doubt Capello woulda told his players to go gung-ho in the 2nd half.
Because the goal didn't count - England had to look for the equaliser thus pushing men forward and the Germans sat back n counter-attacked.
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Shameful

All speculation as to how the game would have changed. You dont know for sure if England would not have pushed for the winner after coming back to 2-2 or not. Also nothing to say if england didnt the Germans wouldnt score again as they didnt need england to be pushing up for an equaliser before scoring 2 goals to go ahead. Shit happens. It was a goal and it wasnt given. cry more England. Fact is you were outplayed by a decent German team that wont win the world cup. Simply not good enough.

Franz was right " England stupidly finished 2nd in their group".

They were awful throughout the tournament so they then expected to step it up when they met their first decent team.

England has exited the football World Cup and once again failed to live up to expectations. But why do the English fool themselves, again and again, into believing they can win, and might they actually enjoy it?

According to Wikipedia, hysteria is "a state of mind of unmanageable fear or emotional excesses. The fear is often caused by multiple events in one's past that involved some sort of severe conflict."

Sound familiar?

After a humiliating 4-1 defeat to Germany, England has once again entered an unofficial period of national mourning. It's something the country goes through after every World Cup or European Championship exit - from euphoric anticipation to shock and despair in the space of 90 minutes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8768122.stm

some of my colleagues in the office are scaring me that Germany would loose to Argentina. Does Germany stand any chance this weekend?

Tell them one day at a time.

Tell them Germany would only lose on the field and not in their office cubicle.

Ze germans prefer to do the talking on the field and the English can attest to that.

The team who has won the world cup before leaving Heathrow is now on their way back without even a stainless steel spoon

Whether we would lose to Argentina or not, We would know by this time on Saturday

They probably thought we would lose to Argentina in 1990 and 2006 as well but we won.

the pic says it all 4 - 1

The complete line up of failure

@ajali,

How was berlin after the game. I got so drunk yesterday. I really enjoyed whooping the English behind

@sauron

I am sorry for you, there is nothing more to say!!!


@dayokanu

mmmhhh, dayokanu , Berlin was a single great party until late night, fireworks as if it was new year, so wonderful.
People have danced, laughed as like in 2006
I have enjoyed it too.

@ajali, I can imagine. It would be fireworks and fun putting the 3 rats in their place

oooohhhh yessssssssss!!!

England who is your daddy?

Osama bin Laden has just released a new TV message to prove he is still
Alive. He said that the England Team performance on Saturday was completely
s**t. British intelligence have dismissed the claim, stating that the
message could have been recorded anytime in the last 44 years.

No be small thing o

England were robbed the same way the Azzuris were robbed.

Robbed by whom?

They didnt bag any red card, there was no offside call, they didnt play agains overaged players and they conceded 4 clean goals

Lampard's legitimate goal was disallowed and had that stood, England woulda gone on from there and won against a very inexperienced german team.

Even if that goal of Lampard had stood, England would still lose to Germany.
Their performance in the first round was just not impressive.

Brainless chic2penis don come again.

The 2 teams started at 0-0 what was England looking at that made them go 2 goals down in 30mins?

Will you shut up dia Dayotwatnu. What made them 2 nil down is not the issue being discussed here. Rather What made the blind linesman give a goal even Stevie wonder saw cross the line is the issue being discussed.

England’s elimination ritual
By Simon Kuper

Published: June 22 2010 21:48 | Last updated: June 22 2010 21:48



“It was disbelief,” England’s midfielder Alan Ball summed up the mood in the team’s dressing room after West Germany knocked them out of the World Cup in 1970. England’s quadrennial elimination is one of the country’s few surviving national rituals.

It may happen in Port Elizabeth today: England need to beat Slovenia to be certain of reaching the second round. It is time to establish whether, on this occasion, each phase of the ritual has been respected.

Phase one: England enter the World Cup certain they will win it.

Alf Ramsey, the only English manager to win the trophy, forecast the victory of 1966. But his prescience becomes less impressive when you realise that almost every England manager forecast victory in the World Cup, including Ramsey both times he didn’t win.
Fabio Capello, England’s manager at least until this afternoon, observed this ritual. “My team, the England team, we can beat all the teams,” he said last month. Like all his predecessors, Capello spoke for a confident nation.



Phase two: the campaign is upended by a freakish piece of bad luck that the English conclude could only happen to them.

Here the current campaign breaks with ritual. Normally, the freakish bad luck happens in a later round: the tummy bug that felled keeper Gordon Banks in 1970, Diego Maradona’s “Hand of God” in 1986, or David Beckham’s red card in 1998. This time, it came only 40 minutes into England’s tournament: the soft US shot that trickled through Robert Green’s hands into the net.


Phase three: England lose to a former wartime enemy.

In five of their last seven World Cups, they went out against either Germany or Argentina. The matches fit seamlessly into the British tabloid view of history, except for the outcome. England’s defeats to Germany, because of their grandiose yet repetitious character, are tragicomic. By contrast, elimination against a ski-mad country of 2m people would be merely comic (if you aren’t English). To honour ritual, England need to revive national hubris by triumphing against Slovenia, before losing to Germany in the second round this weekend, ideally on penalties. (this time was even better)



Phase four: the nation decides the team is spoiled, overpaid and unpatriotic.

For some players “the triple lion badge of England could be three old tabby cats”, lamented the Daily Express in 1966, and possibly again tomorrow. The fan who wandered into the English changing-room and castigated the players for drawing against Algeria on Friday night felt the same way. “Most of them didn’t even try,” Pavlos Joseph said afterwards.

However, these ritual denunciations are coming too early. By tradition, English hubris swells to unfathomable levels before being punctured.



Phase five: a scapegoat is found.

Usually this only happens post-elimination, but the current squabble between Capello and his ousted captain John Terry is best understood as early jockeying to assign the role. Capello runs the greater risk. Ritually, England’s scapegoat is never an outfield player who has “battled” all match. Even if the player directly caused the elimination by missing a penalty, he is a “hero”. The ideal scapegoat is either a perfidious foreigner – Portugal’s Cristiano Ronaldo in 2006 – or an English management figure, such as chief selector Joe Mears in 1958. Capello’s bad luck is to be both foreigner and management figure.



Phase six: England enter the next World Cup certain they will win it.

It’s widely believed that England’s eliminations cause misery. In fact, the ritual provides comfort, by drawing the nation together, and connecting English past with present. That’s why it’s essential that the ritual sequence be respected. Here’s to England-Germany this weekend.

Simon Kuper is co-author of Why England Lose: & Other Curious Football Phenomena Explained (HarperSport, £7.99)

They are in phase 4 going to phase 5 right now. What a brilliant article

Lols

This thread is still alive? Why do I feel like people are still taking the piss out of the English and their fans .