peteruuu:

Whoever you are, I don't have your time. Goodnight.

just free him in his ignorance.

KAYD007:


You have spoken well!

Thank you my brother...

doczero:
Mo/bilia. You are very intelligent. Come to think that you are in the US and talking like this. You must be a rare breed. We have not finished this matter as I am rushing somewhere. I think submission encompasses love and more.

Lol...."rare breed" in the U.S.
Can you imagine that? Lol...
Well....I'm a "work in progress"....
Anyhow, thank you my brother....for the kind compliment. I truly appreciate it.
Yes..you are right. Submission encompasses "love". Actually, it's all based on "love" ultimately.

INDUSTRIALFAN:


He actually is another fake pastor. If he wasn't, I'm pretty sure he'd have come across this verse:

Titus 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

Well I've never heard of this pastor before, nor do I know if he's a false shepherd, but I just felt like perhaps his words were taken out of context on this particular subject.
Yes, I'm very familiar with the above mentioned scripture verse. Many people have stated it here on this thread.
However, I think Donnie said it right that when read in its proper context, (meaning "line upon line", "precept upon precept" here a little, there a little....) one can see what was meant there (in Titus) as opposed to what's being stated in Ephesians.
I think the pastor waa directing his message to men in particular, but was using Ephesians as his reference. I could be wrong...but that's what I had thought.

CC: Mechanics
Divineappo

Vindisick, my apologies that the write-up was too long for you to read. Was expressing my thoughts and it took those many words for me to do so.

donnie:


I "liked" your comment but to see it in context, looking from the previous verse you'd understand the apostle is actually admonishing older women to be of good example to the younger ones. It's not like an outright command to women to love their husbands like you'll find in the instruction to men in Ephesians 5:28.

Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

yea I know but for someone to say nowhere it says that women should love their husband in the bible is not correct.
A woman's submission should be out of love while a man that love his wife should also be considerate to his wife.

solite3:
yea I know but for someone to say nowhere it says that women should love their husband in the bible is not correct.
A woman's submission should be out of love while a man that love his wife should also be considerate to his wife.

Still, It was a not a commandment to women to love their husband's.

Titus 2:4

That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

That is Paul speaking to Timothy not God.

KingErnesto:




That is Paul speaking to Timothy not God.

Neither is the verse the false pastor is speaking about actually God speaking to man. It was still Paul.

But since all scriptures are inspired by God, then we can say He was the one speaking in both instances.

donnie:


Still, It was a not a commandment to women to love their husband's.

it is still an instruction to women that is why the apostle urge older women to teach younger women to love their husbands and children.

solite3:

it is still an instruction to women that is why the apostle urge older women to teach younger women to love their husbands and children.

Apostle Paul gave the instruction to who? Older women... to be of good example so the younger ones can learn from them.

It wasn't a commandment to love their husbands. Like we have in some African customs where young women are shown how to conduct themselves to show love and care for their husbands.

Reading Titus 2:4, "That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children"

Will you also say that the apostle gave instruction to women to love their children? Which normal woman doesn't love her children?

donnie:


Apostle Paul gave the instruction to who? Older women... to be of good example so the younger ones can learn from them.

It wasn't a commandment to love their husbands. Like we have in some African customs where young women are shown how to conduct themselves to show love and care for their husbands.

Reading Titus 2:4, "That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children"

Will you also say that the apostle gave instruction to women to love their children? Which normal woman doesn't love her children?

first of all, There is a general commandment for every believer to love one another.
secondly, the fact that apostle Paul instruct the older women to teach the younger women to love their husbands means that it is important, if it was not important he will not have written for younger women to love their husbands and children.

alBHAGDADI:
Neither is the verse the false pastor is speaking about actually God speaking to man. It was still Paul.

But since all scriptures are inspired by God, then we can say He was the one speaking in both instances.

What about the ones that Paul said "it is a shameful thing for a woman to speak in church" .. But we have women speaking in churches today. Does it mean your church is a false church and your leaders are false too?

You speak without wisdom, hence you don't have a defence.

KingErnesto:


What about the ones that Paul said "it is a shameful thing for a woman to speak in church" .. But we have women speaking in churches today. Does it mean your church is a false church and your leaders are false too?

You speak without wisdom, hence you don't have a defence.

Such churches were women preach are totally false. Even Jesus listed that as one of the sins end time churches will engage in.

solite3:

first of all, There is a general commandment for every believer to love one another.
secondly, the fact that apostle Paul instruct the older women to teach the younger women to love their husbands means that it is important, if it was not important he will not have written for younger women to love their husbands and children.

How could you think I am saying it is not important? Of course it is important. Especially these days, with so-called feminism on the rise, women need to be taught by our mothers how to really love their men.

KingErnesto:


What about the ones that Paul said "it is a shameful thing for a woman to speak in church" .. But we have women speaking in churches today. Does it mean your church is a false church and your leaders are false too?

You speak without wisdom, hence you don't have a defence.

it is absolutely wrong for a women to teach and lead a church.
churches that do that have been compromised

donnie:


I understand your point, but I'm admonishing godly women... Others can continue to drag rights till they get tired and run away.. or till they're beaten up.

By the way, I am not even going as far as handing over your money to your man, even though that will be an act of submission as well. Personally I give my wife an allowance that's more than some people's salary, whether or not she's working. The man that'll command that kind of respect is expected to provide for his house as well.

Talking with a young solider son in the Lord who's looking to getting married soon. According to him, he wants a lady who has financial and job security so he can afford to take care of his dad mum and siblings while she caters for the home and his kids. And I said NO WAY! Your immediate family first... That's the way it aught to be. By the time I was done with him, His faith has skyrocketed.

Oga, you re speaking from both sides of your mouth. Btw, how do you know she wld be bothered if d guy runs away? or dat you guys can beat everybdy? Who told you you guys you'ld always win?

icogb:
Oga, you re speaking from both sides of your mouth. Btw, how do you know she wld be bothered if d guy runs away? or dat you guys can beat everybdy? Who told you you guys you'ld always win?

That's the problem with you people; you create categories that don't exist and then try to get others to fit into them.

donnie:


That's the problem with you people; you create categories that don't exist and then try to get others to fit into them.

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doczero:
Mobilia. You are very intelligent. Come to think that you are in the US and talking like this. You must be a rare breed. We have not finished this matter as I am rushing somewhere. I think submission encompasses love and more.

Mobilia, not just a rare breed , but a lovely and fun person to be with.

Seun:
You can command a husband and wife to be kind, respectful, and seductive to each other, but you can’t command them to love. People can’t control their emotions, but they can control their actions. The Bible should be updated to reflect this understanding.

Or your own thinking should be enlightened to understand that people really can and should control their own emotions.

And you should not only love your spouse, but even your neighbours and enemies too.

And while this may seem undoable to you, because you often think you got everything figured, my 10-year old nephew would perfectly understand that all it takes to love anyone is to do to them as you would have them do to you. Treat others just as you would your own self. Basic.

Seun:
You can command a husband and wife to be kind, respectful, and seductive to each other, but you can’t command them to love. People can’t control their emotions, but they can control their actions. The Bible should be updated to reflect this understanding.

People can be kind but they can control their emotions? how do these add up?

Seun:
You can command a husband and wife to be kind, respectful, and seductive to each other, but you can’t command them to love. People can’t control their emotions, but they can control their actions. The Bible should be updated to reflect this understanding.

may be you should update it

LordReed:
LoL. The book full of confusion.

Don't let your anti religion stance make you gullible to be deceived. The man didn't verify his claims . Titus 2:4 ask women to Love their husbands

Seun:
You can command a husband and wife to be kind, respectful, and seductive to each other, but you can’t command them to love. People can’t control their emotions, but they can control their actions. The Bible should be updated to reflect this understanding.

Think about this :
Before they married were they not in love, if not, why marry who they don't love ? the command is To Maintain what's already on ground, so as not to lost it.

Your post assume the love started when they got married .

solite3:



there is a command for young women to love their husbands

Titus 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

Thanks for highlighting that point, Solite

donnie:


I "liked" your comment but to see it in context, looking from the previous verse you'd understand the apostle is actually admonishing older women to be of good example to the younger ones. It's not like an outright command to women to love their husbands like you'll find in the instruction to men in Ephesians 5:28.

Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

It's what is expected of them. Hence the adminition ...

ihatebuhari:
stop reading the Bible without understanding, you are so fake and this will lead you to hell.

Titus 2:4 was never a commandment rather an advice from older women to teach the younger ones.



You have to apologize to the man of God because he's so right

You fail to think about the fact that he was Showing them What is EXPECTED of them

jaxxy:


In simple terms... men don’t get emotional so easily like women. They can be emotional don’t get me wrong. We are made made of stone bt not always like women. That’s my point.

Are you aware women are emotionally stronger than men?

Who will die first

Husband confess " I mistakenly had sex with my secretary " .. she will flare up , but trust me she will still come around to forgive most times, Emotionally strong to put it behind her


Wife confess " I don't know what came over me, had sex with this long term friend, we are mates in school, please forgive me " ... Do I need to explain what could occur after this ?

Jozzy4:


Don't let your anti religion stance make you gullible to be deceived. The man didn't verify his claims . Titus 2:4 ask women to Love their husbands

You are the gullible one here. A book that can be used to support any position is a book of confusion.

LordReed:


You are the gullible one here. A book that can be used to support any position is a book of confusion.

What was the EVIDENCE he presented from the bible to support his position ?

You are making another Fallacy again, was his position supported after I gave you a straight verse that knocked him off ?


You need to relax when Religious issues are discussed or you end up embarrassing yourself more

Jozzy4:


What was the EVIDENCE he presented from the bible to support his position ?

You are making another Fallacy again, was his position supported after I gave you a straight verse that knocked him off ?


You need to relax when Religious issues are discussed or you end up embarrassing yourself more

You need to find someone else who cares. He is not the first nor will he be the last to interpret the Bible anyway he likes so spare me the preaching OK.