Shayetet13:


Listen carefully: My uncle, a world renowned surgeon was working with John hopkins in the United States. When he decided he wanted to come back to Nigeria to work, National Hospital Abuja accepted his application immediately, but by the time he came down to Nigeria, he was required to submit his basic qualifying certificates. He was even required to submit his MBBS despite having several post graduate degrees in surgery and recommendations from john hopkins. Nigeria president is the biggest job in Nigeria, not something you joke with like all of you are currently doing. Buhari ought to submit that minimum qualification even if he got courses under his belt. That general is saying rubbish. If you must show your certificate for any job in Nigeria, it applies to the president. You guys are just killing principles in the country with your dishonesty, but you do not know it

Comparing apples and oranges.

With the military, you don't own your personal certificates, the board does.

If by discharge they lose it, they should own up to it.
Losing it does not debar the individual from having aspirations.

A sworn affidavit is acceptable by various institutions including INEC.

Should you feel such a person doesn't have the requisite, the law courts can help in arbitration.

Note as well, the constitution doesn't expressly ask for WAEC results.

All our constitution asks is that the individual must have a minimum of a school certificate.

By the way it is JOHNS HOPKINS.

RatedStar:
If the Nigerian Army are with his certificate, and PMB now the boss of said army, why can’t they come out to clear the whole issue up ones and for all?

This one still has water in his brain.

adanny01:


A man has a choice to believe what he wants to believe whether logical or not.

My father's BA cert was in a file he kept in his room, one time he needed it for something ans moved the file to another house where he worked. That house was infested with termites and 6 months later half of the cert was gone to the termites. Right nów, my father doesnot have his BA cert.

If my father goes for elective position today, would you say my father never had a BA degree or must produce it else he doesnt have it?

The army has the principle of collecting original certificates of their intake. How are you sure the military returned the collected cert to Buhari when such can be lost for different reasons.

The political interference that cause the army to say something and withdraw it will tell you this is just a political propaganda.

It irkes me to see the kind of gullibility alot of educated folks exhibit especially for this PDP propaganda.

I can see that u are lacking in common sense.. If ur father's BA cert is destroyed by termites, need I remind you that his case is not over yet? He could get another copy of it from which school he attended.

Now the issue here is about poor record keeping by the Nigerian army which I think is the newest ploy to exonerate buhari from any blame. But listen to it carefully, such nonsense excuse won't fly cos in the face of this whole issue, whether your original got missing or destroyed, ur certificate or credential is readily available from the original issuer. So go get it and stop telling us useless story.



Buhari present ur certificate...

IrokoOluwere:

Honestly!
How can you say a whole GENERAL has no certificate?
A whole fuckin_ GENERAL

Honestly!
what's the proof?

IrokoOluwere:

Honestly!
How can you say a whole GENERAL has no certificate?
A whole fuckin_ GENERAL

How can u say that a whole speaker Sanusi has no certificate? Ur question looks foolish, since the day that buhari hired 15 San to defend his certificate in the court I knew that he does not possess one, obasanjo is an ex general too and he submitted his credentials to inec so buhari is not the first general to contest let him summit his credentials now or stand disqualified. He has been cutting corners all these years

Thanks for the fearless General for coming out to clear the air on this matter. The hullabaloo must stop..

Jax1:



I can see that u are lacking in common sense.. If ur father's BA cert is destroyed by termites, need I remind you that his case is not over yet? He could get another copy of it from which school he attended.

Now the issue here is about poor record keeping by the Nigerian army which I think is the newest ploy to exonerate buhari from any blame. But listen to it carefully, such nonsense excuse won't fly cos in the face of this whole issue, whether your original got missing or destroyed, ur certificate or credential is readily available from the original issuer. So go get it and stop telling us useless story.



Buhari present ur certificate...

Most institutions give out a single certificate.

miqos02:
The former Chief of staff, Lt. General Ipoola Alani Akinrinade, Sunday, slammed those criticizing President Muhammadu Buhari over his statement that his West African School Certificate Examination certificate, WACE, was with the Nigerian Army.

In a statement disclosed by Mr President’s special adviser on Media and Publicity, Femi Adesina, the former Chief of Defence Staff insisted that Buhari has a certificate.

Angered at the spate at which Nigerians lambast Buhari over his certificate, Akinrinade blamed the Nigeria’s recording system. His words, “How many years ago ?… 50 years. And Nigeria with our (poor) record keeping and filing things into an archive. If we have an archive at all; an archive inhabited by rats and cockroaches. I think it’s an insult”.

However, clearing the air he said that the certificate saga was an insult to the Nigerian Army, noting that the time Buhari joined the Armed forces ‘there were no cutting corners’.

Read the full statement below:

“… The most annoying one is the case about (Muhammadu) Buhari not having a Certificate.

It is an insult to the Armed Forces, a terrible insult to the Armed Forces.

If they are so embedded in the system and they have lost their souls, then they can go ahead and join everybody else in castigating a General of Buhari’s calibre.

They are now talking about a School Certificate.

By the time he joined the Army in those days, there were no cutting corners.

It is later when these same Civilians took over from the Army that admission into it became less transparent.

I can give you an instance.

There was Course Five around 1964: if one did not have a School Certificate, one couldn’t apply to join the Army.

And I know up to 1963 when the last General Officer Commanding left Nigeria, there were no corners to be cut.

There was no such thing. Everything was on merit.

And that was how it was till Buhari’s time.

Buhari attended the Mons (Officer Cadet School in Aldershot in England) and the Staff College.

I don’t want to think they have an idea what they teach in those places.

And the rest of us pretend as if we don’t know what they do there.

You send a man to America for one and a half years in a Military School.

Do they think he just went there to learn how to fire a rifle ?

No.

As I speak to you, I don’t know where my original Certificate is because we gave the original to the Military Board.

They took it from us when we applied to join the Army.

You give the original copy of credentials to the Board.

They take it and keep it in your file, that’s what happened.

How many years ago ?… 50 years.

And Nigeria with our (poor) record keeping and filing things into an archive. If we have an archive at all; an archive inhabited by rats and cockroaches. I think it’s an insult.

I take it as a personal insult”

– Gen Alani Akinrinade.


https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/10/buharis-certificate-saga-its-an-insult-to-the-armed-forces-gen-alani-akinrinade/amp/

^^^^^
^^^^^
I made this point on Nairaland on the 26th of October 2018 about
Gen. Alani Akinrinade's 2015 interview in Sunday Punch.
Annoyingly, Reno Omokiri, Fani Kayode, Olabisi Deji-Folutile
[the current female Editor of Saturday Punch and some of her
Team of Journalists] have specialised in always insulting the
FG and PMB while using Saturday Punch for propaganda
attacks to de-market the FG.

Sunday Punch is very balanced because the Editor is more
professional than Olabisi Deji-Folutile [the female Saturday
Punch Editor!]. Every week she uses the paper to de-market
the government and the management of Punch Group will
need to remove that woman. She is spoiling Punch which
I always enjoyed with the articles of Casmir Igbokwe
and Azubuike Ishiekwene for instance.


Now ALL military officers in the 1960s submitted
their ORIGINAL CREDENTIALS to the Army and
never got them back. Gen Alani Akinrinade
said so in a 2015 Sunday Punch interview
while defending President Mohammed
Buhari over the lie by PDP that he has no
certificate!

These silly guys on NL [including those journalist who
wrote the 27th of October, Saturday Punch article and their
silly female editor who likes to write negative things about
the FG and PMB] criticising PMB are insulting all the senior
military officers who sacrificed a lot for Nigeria!

Enough said.


PS: Read Gen. Alani Akinrinade's 2015 Sunday
Punch interview while defending Buhari over the fake story
of PMB not having a certificate.
https://www.nigeriafilms.com/sports/29025-it-s-an-insult-on-the-military-to-question-buhari-s-certificate-gen-akinrinade

agabusta:



All this your story does not disprove what the retired General said.

The man said all military personnel are required to lodge their original certificates with the military.

How does that relate to other establishments asking just to sight them?

Major Al Mustapha has equally come out to say his originals were also collected by the Army. Do you have a contrary opinion to this?

Are you saying all military generals of that age have all their certificates with the military including Obasanjo and this Gen. Akinrinade?

rusher14:


Most institutions give out a single certificate.

They should aswell be able to explain beyond reasonable doubt you were educated in that institution with an accompanying evidence.

I am not one of those people who believes buhari dosent have a certificate, im dissapointed that after all the noise the last time, and having four years as president buhari should have found a way to get a copy out of wherever the certificate is and avert this same occurrence, if not for anything just lead by example. If our country requires certificates for jobs etc and your job being the highest in the land, it is really credible to show that you adhere to the rules.

Jax1:


The should aswell be able to explain beyond reasonable doubt you were educated in that institution with an accompanying evidence.

Have you accepted that from Buhari's secondary school?

Are you unaware of his Mons Training in Aldershot or US War College?

HomeOfMe:
Speaking of archives..,Buhari was the head of state in the mid-80s,I'm not sure. Why didn't he ensure that very important documents such as that were properly kept. Secondly,I read an article last night,can't remember the site,the army saying that the president got into the army by recommendation,and not with any certificate. But when you want to get a job with nnpc,they ask for a PhD,and also request a 25 year old applicant for a 30year work experience.

Do you know the amount of archives lost in the US alone. Just becos you don't hear it does not mean it didnt hapen. Tech was in its infancy back then. You cannot compare it to your indomie generation.

How difficult is it to show the certificate. if it's with the army, won't he just give an order being GCFR? I tire for this people

rusher14:


Have you accepted that from Buhari's secondary school?

Are you unaware of his Mons Training in Aldershot or US War College?

What they presented from his sec school is completely fishy. The dots are not connected.

Jax1:


What they presented from his sec school is completely fishy. The dots are not connected.

That's why the Law courts are there.

timota:

How can u say that a whole speaker Sanusi has no certificate? Ur question looks foolish, since the day that buhari hired 15 San to defend his certificate in the court I knew that he does not possess one, obasanjo is an ex general too and he submitted his credentials to inec so buhari is not the first general to contest let him summit his credentials now or stand disqualified. He has been cutting corners all these years

We’re talking GENERAL IN THE ARMY . You’re talking speaker . Lmao
Wetin we no go see on Nairaland

rusher14:


That's why the Law courts are there.

And the circus of bad precedence is coming to hunt everyone.. Good enough another presidential aspirant gave same hint.

There's no insult here, is it wrong for the citizen demand that their leader provide proof of his legibility to seat on the throne? I don't see how this has smeered his name or image as a respectable member of the community, He's a fine soldier and defended the nation with his might. However, if the military can publicly state that they're custodians of his certificate including original copies then they should do so.

SirChime:

When I read comments like this one up here I wonder how you reason . OBJ can show his and inec rule said you must present your credentials to the officials before being qualified. Can I ask ,that you were popular in school qualify you a job without presenting your credentials ? This is evil . Many their certificates got burned can't get a job but someone in same country is a president without certificates. Shame .

Cry me a river

You father can get a certified true copy reissued. The law is the law and should be applied to all. There is a possibility that he did not get into the military on merit and that is what is being hidden by Bubu. He knows if he brings the result or ask the institution to reissue and it's seen that he did not even possess the minimum credits to be commissioned as an officer, his whole military career becomes a fraud. The request for his certificate is to uncover this fraud and only the discerning minds know this

adanny01:


A man has a choice to believe what he wants to believe whether logical or not.

My father's BA cert was in a file he kept in his room, one time he needed it for something ans moved the file to another house where he worked. That house was infested with termites and 6 months later half of the cert was gone to the termites. Right nów, my father doesnot have his BA cert.

If my father goes for elective position today, would you say my father never had a BA degree or must produce it else he doesnt have it?

The army has the principle of collecting original certificates of their intake. How are you sure the military returned the collected cert to Buhari when such can be lost for different reasons.

The political interference that cause the army to say something and withdraw it will tell you this is just a political propaganda.

It irkes me to see the kind of gullibility alot of educated folks exhibit especially for this PDP propaganda.

Jax1:


And the circus of bad precedence is coming to hunt everyone.. Good enough another presidential aspirant gave same hint.

Well the military would have to shape up on documentation.

In the meantime, we would not prevent those who put themselves in harm's way so we be safe, from aspiring for public office.

Jax1:



I can see that u are lacking in common sense.. If ur father's BA cert is destroyed by termites, need I remind you that his case is not over yet? He could get another copy of it from which school he attended.

Now the issue here is about poor record keeping by the Nigerian army which I think is the newest ploy to exonerate buhari from any blame. But listen to it carefully, such nonsense excuse won't fly cos in the face of this whole issue, whether your original got missing or destroyed, ur certificate or credential is readily available from the original issuer. So go get it and stop telling us useless story.



Buhari present ur certificate...

exactly what I wanted to say

Is that if Al-Mustapha a blessing?

The truth is that majority of these in army before thevm 90's have no certificate.
OBJ, Ibb and Abubarka knew this fact and they all benefited from it.

adanny01:


A man has a choice to believe what he wants to believe whether logical or not.

My father's BA cert was in a file he kept in his room, one time he needed it for something ans moved the file to another house where he worked. That house was infested with termites and 6 months later half of the cert was gone to the termites. Right nów, my father doesnot have his BA cert.

If my father goes for elective position today, would you say my father never had a BA degree or must produce it else he doesnt have it?

The army has the principle of collecting original certificates of their intake. How are you sure the military returned the collected cert to Buhari when such can be lost for different reasons.

The political interference that cause the army to say something and withdraw it will tell you this is just a political propaganda.

It irkes me to see the kind of gullibility alot of educated folks exhibit especially for this PDP propaganda.

What happens to your father applying to his institution for another cert or atleast a cover document for an affidavit. If we make this a norm without writing our former institutions for a cover document, people without certificates will claim that Termite ate their certificates and get affidavit. Buhari could write Waec for a cover document. That will tell us truly, he didnt enter the Military cutting corners. Now you said Army collects certificates. Do remember that Buhari isnt the only Army person who ran for office. Obansanjo and David Mark readily comes to mind. Did they say that my cert is with military shit?

Jax1:



I can see that u are lacking in common sense.. If ur father's BA cert is destroyed by termites, need I remind you that his case is not over yet? He could get another copy of it from which school he attended.

Now the issue here is about poor record keeping by the Nigerian army which I think is the newest ploy to exonerate buhari from any blame. But listen to it carefully, such nonsense excuse won't fly cos in the face of this whole issue, whether your original got missing or destroyed, ur certificate or credential is readily available from the original issuer. So go get it and stop telling us useless story.



Buhari present ur certificate...

I really thought you were gullible but with the bolded, its obvious you are either uninformed or naive.

Original certificates are not recreateable and hence cannot be reissued. Guy hold onto your certs well, you will never get them back if you lose it.

Lose you WAEC cert and you lose it forever. What you get is a testimonial. You can always request for a transcript of your bachelors but that cert is irreplaceable.

If he says the army has and and he swears to that, any accusation by you or anyone remains a propaganda.

Fire destroys your cert, it goes forever, the only document that can subtitute the actual cert is a police report in conjunction with a sworn affidavit.

miqos02:
The former Chief of staff, Lt. General Ipoola Alani Akinrinade, Sunday, slammed those criticizing President Muhammadu Buhari over his statement that his West African School Certificate Examination certificate, WACE, was with the Nigerian Army.

In a statement disclosed by Mr President’s special adviser on Media and Publicity, Femi Adesina, the former Chief of Defence Staff insisted that Buhari has a certificate.

Angered at the spate at which Nigerians lambast Buhari over his certificate, Akinrinade blamed the Nigeria’s recording system. His words, “How many years ago ?… 50 years. And Nigeria with our (poor) record keeping and filing things into an archive. If we have an archive at all; an archive inhabited by rats and cockroaches. I think it’s an insult”.

However, clearing the air he said that the certificate saga was an insult to the Nigerian Army, noting that the time Buhari joined the Armed forces ‘there were no cutting corners’.

Read the full statement below:

“… The most annoying one is the case about (Muhammadu) Buhari not having a Certificate.

It is an insult to the Armed Forces, a terrible insult to the Armed Forces.

If they are so embedded in the system and they have lost their souls, then they can go ahead and join everybody else in castigating a General of Buhari’s calibre.

They are now talking about a School Certificate.

By the time he joined the Army in those days, there were no cutting corners.

It is later when these same Civilians took over from the Army that admission into it became less transparent.

I can give you an instance.

There was Course Five around 1964: if one did not have a School Certificate, one couldn’t apply to join the Army.

And I know up to 1963 when the last General Officer Commanding left Nigeria, there were no corners to be cut.

There was no such thing. Everything was on merit.

And that was how it was till Buhari’s time.

Buhari attended the Mons (Officer Cadet School in Aldershot in England) and the Staff College.

I don’t want to think they have an idea what they teach in those places.

And the rest of us pretend as if we don’t know what they do there.

You send a man to America for one and a half years in a Military School.

Do they think he just went there to learn how to fire a rifle ?

No.

As I speak to you, I don’t know where my original Certificate is because we gave the original to the Military Board.

They took it from us when we applied to join the Army.

You give the original copy of credentials to the Board.

They take it and keep it in your file, that’s what happened.

How many years ago ?… 50 years.

And Nigeria with our (poor) record keeping and filing things into an archive. If we have an archive at all; an archive inhabited by rats and cockroaches. I think it’s an insult.

I take it as a personal insult”

– Gen Alani Akinrinade.


https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/10/buharis-certificate-saga-its-an-insult-to-the-armed-forces-gen-alani-akinrinade/amp/

Fggh

You can get certified true copy again and again. I know someone who did

rusher14:


Most institutions give out a single certificate.

RatedStar:
If the Nigerian Army are with his certificate, and PMB now the boss of said army, why can’t they come out to clear the whole issue up ones and for all?

From your English one can see that you don’t even have a primary school leaving certificate. So how can you understand what the General is saying?

Shayetet13:


Listen carefully: My uncle, a world renowned surgeon was working with John hopkins in the United States. When he decided he wanted to come back to Nigeria to work, National Hospital Abuja accepted his application immediately, but by the time he came down to Nigeria, he was required to submit his basic qualifying certificates. He was even required to submit his MBBS despite having several post graduate degrees in surgery and recommendations from john hopkins. Nigeria president is the biggest job in Nigeria, not something you joke with like all of you are currently doing. Buhari ought to submit that minimum qualification even if he got courses under his belt. That general is saying rubbish. If you must show your certificate for any job in Nigeria, it applies to the president. You guys are just killing principles in the country with your dishonesty, but you do not know it

Johns Hopkins

seunmsg:
It is only a foolish person that would think a retired general that attended some of the best military training schools around the world is an illiterate and not qualified to contest.


Lalasticlala, this should be on front page.

One has thought you APC seeds should reason like enlightened people. The INEC rules and regulations stipulates a contestant submits all his credentials for verification, this is applicable to all contestants. So why not do the simple thing than bringing arguments and sentiments here and there. No body says he was not a General, nobody says he did not go to to school, but just obey INEC regulations, as complied to by other contestants or is it too difficult? Why don't we respect our laws? He is a public figure, the 1st man for that matter, corruption fighter so to say, Nigerians has the right to see his papers or is he no longer Mr. Transparent?