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Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Mille: 3:29pm On Nov 11, 2018
justwise:


Europe is not for people like you honestly, to live comfortably in Europe you have to be financially responsible, buying a car is not a necessity when you have good transport network system, renting 3 bedroom flat as a single person is just waste of money.

Car and bigger accommodation are necessary when you are married with kids

You are right. It is financially irresponsible as a single person.
Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by justwise(m): 3:33pm On Nov 11, 2018
claremont:
The best way to enjoy living overseas is to work in a professional field
. All these low-skilled occupations are not meant for the average educated African, they are meant for people who lack the brains to go to school. The immediate focus for any immigrant who chooses to go overseas should be to get into a professional occupation regardless of how long it takes, you will be rewarded in the end. Sadly, I have seen quite a lot of highly educated Africans engaging in low skilled jobs to make ends meet, some of them end up being stuck in the low skilled jobs all through their life. It's not uncommon in the UK, Canada, Germany etc to see African/Asian immigrants with a PhD driving taxis for a living.

This is so simplistic and not actually realistic, people who failed to get a job is not because of lack of professional qualification, you don't get a job here purely because you have the qualification, EU citizens will be considered first before you, your immigration status will be considered first before your qualification. Not everybody will go into medical or IT field just to get a job even as they don't have passion for such job.

While you are busy waiting for a professional job, your rent, bills and family needs are not waiting, so low skilled job becomes plan B.

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Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by justwise(m): 3:38pm On Nov 11, 2018
Mille:


You are right. It is financially irresponsible as a single person.

I have a Nigerian friend here who bought a car while still a student even when that car brings in no money rather it takes.

When he graduated and could not get a job to keep him here he tried to sale the car before moving back to Nigeria but no good offer comes in, he was forced to sale it for a peanut and i keep wondering what is the point?

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Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by claremont(m): 4:03pm On Nov 11, 2018
justwise:


This is so simplistic and not actually realistic, people who failed to get a job is not because of lack of professional qualification, you don't get a job here purely because you have the qualification, EU citizens will be considered first before you, your immigration status will be considered first before your qualification. Not everybody will go into medical or IT field just to get a job even as they don't have passion for such job.

While you are busy waiting for a professional job, your rent, bills and family needs are not waiting, so low skilled job becomes plan B.

That's perfectly fine in the short-term. The danger is that when people get involved in low skilled occupations, they inevitably get sucked into the rat race of surviving just to pay bills. What then happens is that the person will end up spending over 20 years (or a whole career) in the low skilled field. There are immense opportunities overseas to upskill qualifications into high paying careers. If a person isn't academically inclined, they can choose to learn a high paying trade e.g plumbing, electrician, Gas engineer etc, these trades all earn circa £50,000/year. Sadly, you are more likely to see immigrants working in care homes and security for minimum wage than in these trades.

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Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Cyberknight: 4:30pm On Nov 11, 2018
Mcowubaba:


Easy to say " save as much as you can, and then go back to school and study a course that gets you into a professional occupation e.g medicine, dentistry, nursing, pharmacy, engineering" but in reality is not that easy
Given a lot of variables, a career accountant aged 41 years with wife and kids, can't easily save up thousands of £€$ to get back to school and study to become a doctor. Which unskilled legal job will he do to save up loads of cash to support himself through college ?

And don't forget most times, immigrants spend years trying to sort out their immigration status in the country, and the can't necessarily take up some jobs or certain full-time position

I am in no way making excuses for any immigrant to have less aspirations, I am just saying that the have additional factors working against them, some jobs strictly hire citizens not even resident permit holders, and you took my statement about hiring "unskilled white person" out of context, firstly I never used the word "unskilled" I said "less qualified", I am not trying to be a smartas#, but those 2 words have totally different meanings, especially in the context of this topic

Now let me explain what I meant, most companies will hire a white citizen who had a second class lower degree and 3 years experience, than an African immigrant with a second class upper degree with 7 years experience, that's what I meant by hiring a less qualified white person. Never meant that the will hire a white crackhead to be doctor, instead of a qualified African doctor. There are hundreds of studies to support this, I am not just talking out of my a#s.


Well said at the bolded.

I lived in Ireland for 4 years.

Have been to other developed countries.

Opportunities may be available in some of these countries, but generically educated African immigrants are at the back of the queue. Fact.

Retraining costs a shitload of money. If you are a fresh immigrant the cost of keeping your house heated alone your first winter has eaten deep into your precious naira-converted-into foreign currency.

Back in the post-military early-Obasanjo days before Nigeria descended to shithole/hellhole level, a lot of boys in Europe we would meet were strongly considering porting back to Nigeria. I know many who said it was only the nightmare of carrying petrol in their car boots and firing gens at night that kept them back in ilu oyibo (i.e. the amenities and better quality of life). Nobody one meets these days even hints at that anymore.

Summary: if you want to emigrate and you're single and unencumbered and young, you can come in, take up anything you can get, and with careful belt-tightening and all that, you can retrain or eventually get a foot on the ladder. The older and/or encumbered ones have more belt-tightening to do and much higher chances of ending up without that much-dreamed-about white collar job. Ultimately, it's their children they're giving a leg up, not themselves.

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Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by justwise(m): 4:54pm On Nov 11, 2018
claremont:


That's perfectly fine in the short-term. The danger is that when people get involved in low skilled occupations, they inevitably get sucked into the rat race of surviving just to pay bills. What then happens is that the person will end up spending over 20 years (or a whole career) in the low skilled field. There are immense opportunities overseas to upskill qualifications into high paying careers. If a person isn't academically inclined, they can choose to learn a high paying trade e.g plumbing, electrician, Gas engineer etc, these trades all earn circa £50,000/year. Sadly, you are more likely to see immigrants working in care homes and security for minimum wage than in these trades.

How will you do that on student visa studying full time?

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Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by salford1: 5:25pm On Nov 11, 2018
claremont:


That's perfectly fine in the short-term. The danger is that when people get involved in low skilled occupations, they inevitably get sucked into the rat race of surviving just to pay bills. What then happens is that the person will end up spending over 20 years (or a whole career) in the low skilled field. There are immense opportunities overseas to upskill qualifications into high paying careers. If a person isn't academically inclined, they can choose to learn a high paying trade e.g plumbing, electrician, Gas engineer etc, these trades all earn circa £50,000/year. Sadly, you are more likely to see immigrants working in care homes and security for minimum wage than in these trades.
It is now well known that trades are very good and rewarding, but they are not easy to break into due to competition for apprenticeship schemes. Using Canada as an example, employers want ready made. Journeypersons/companies and are not so willing to train newcomers or apprentices for 3 to 4 years. Most of those they break in are usually relations of journeypersons (Old boys club). That is a major reason why you hardly find immigrants or newcomers in the trades. Immigrants don't have the connections or networks. Hence they end up with survival jobs.
Well paying vacancies are very competitive too. The last vacancy that was posted at my work place for one electrician position had over 180 applications fromjourneypersons.
The only apprenticeship scheme we have for our apprenctices takes 15 people every year out of over about a thousand application. Out of that 15, 10 would atleast have relations already in the system. One would be lucky to be one of the remaining 5 via equal opportunity. If it was easy to break into trade, i trust African bros to yapa in it.

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Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Agbaletu: 5:55pm On Nov 11, 2018
I wish this post can be taken to the front page for our younger ones to see.

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Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by simonjo: 6:22pm On Nov 11, 2018
salford1:

It is now well known that trades are very good and rewarding, but they are not easy to break into due to competition for apprenticeship schemes. Using Canada as an example, employers want ready made. Journeypersons/companies and are not so willing to train newcomers or apprentices for 3 to 4 years. Most of those they break in are usually relations of journeypersons (Old boys club). That is a major reason why you hardly find immigrants or newcomers in the trades. Immigrants don't have the connections or networks. Hence they end up with survival jobs.
Well paying vacancies are very competitive too. The last vacancy that was posted at my work place for one electrician position had over 180 applications fromjourneypersons.
The only apprenticeship scheme we have for our apprenctices takes 15 people every year out of over about a thousand application. Out of that 15, 10 would atleast have relations already in the system. One would be lucky to be one of the remaining 5 via equal opportunity. If it was easy to break into trade, i trust African bros to yapa in it.

True talk bro
Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Mcowubaba: 8:46pm On Nov 11, 2018
justwise:
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This is so simplistic and not actually realistic, people who failed to get a job is not because of lack of professional qualification, you don't get a job here purely because you have the qualification, EU citizens will be considered first before you, your immigration status will be considered first before your qualification. Not everybody will go into medical or IT field just to get a job even as they don't have passion for such job.

While you are busy waiting for a professional job, your rent, bills and family needs are not waiting, so low skilled job becomes plan B.

I'm so happy someone like you with a vast experience and knowledge in immigration and European job opportunities has backed up my statement.
I have nothing more to say!! cool cool

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Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Bouncingbabyboy(m): 8:55pm On Nov 11, 2018
Mille:


Buhari and Atiku can burn for all I care. The reason I am waiting is just to see if there will be any brouhaha after the elections.

I'm only bothered about Security. Na to just find solar take console myself. Even if na 1.5KVA.

The thousands wey stay back for Germany. How are they faring. Most are into low-level Logistics jobs like Amazon or running from one temp agency to another. In all my sojourn in Europe, I have never met a Nigerian who could comfortably afford to rent a 3 bedroom with a car. Of what purpose is migration if I cannot live a better quality of life than the one I live back home.


Bros, I am not coming to search for job o. The one thing I am thankful of, is that Europe has exposed me to the many opportunities in Nigeria that I couldn't see before.
boss abeg open my eye....me de get ginger to run from naija....
Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Godson201333(m): 9:22pm On Nov 11, 2018
Mille:
God bless you for this piece, Mcowubaba
. Claremont, I doubt you understand the kind of racism that goes on in the professional sphere in Europe. We had this argument with a colleague also. I applied for internship positions with my CV (same format, just different names, emails and phone numbers). I received 29 rejections in a space of 4 days while all 30 scheduled an interview with the one with the German name.

I am in Germany and it is pretty much the same. Thousands of Africans here even with German Masters & PhDs working low level cleaning and physical logistics jobs. I mean, seeing those who have been settled here for more than 20-30 years looking so haggardly is enough to discourage my continued residence in Europe.

I'm just waiting for the 2019 elections to be over and to receive my degree. Heaven knows I won't be here come June 2019.


I also live in Germany.Many of you guys came here with false informations.There are Nigerians doing good in Germany and not all of them are doing Unskilled Labour.However a white man doesn't give a damn about what you do for a living ,But your financial capabilities.(Paying your bills comes first).What do you expect in a country that you cannot speak and write their Language nor have some of their culture.Everybody knows that Germany is still a little bit conservative like Scandinavia countries and that Nigerian degrees aren't valuable.Hence many of the guys doing masters here would always have problem.The few ones that got lucky after doing Masters here were good at software developing or programming.There some courses that aren't marketable in Germany.There are still Opportunities for those ones that are prepared and ready to grab them.

For the ones that migrated out of Nigeria with wrong impression about Abroad,You will always see them lamenting.Migration and integrating yourself into another Man society is not a day job.You should be ready to work your ass off.According to Eu labour law,Third world Nationals should always be employers last option.If you as a Third world citizen knows this fact,Then you should be ready to work harder so that you can find into competition

There are other opportunities in the EU, just that your residence permit status determine how you gonna grab those opportunities.Each country have law and you shouldn't expect the law to favour you more than their own citizen!!

What does not work for Mr A might work for Mr B,You guys should stop spreading false news !! If anyone of you want to live large, Go back home, break a bank and live large..Oyinbo designed their country for comfort and not for show off.

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Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Mille: 9:48pm On Nov 11, 2018
Godson201333:


I also live in Germany.Many of you guys came here with false informations.There are Nigerians doing good in Germany and not all of them are doing Unskilled Labour..What do you expect in a country that you cannot speak and write their Language nor have some of their culture.Everybody knows that Germany is still a little bit conservative like Scandinavia countries and that Nigerian degrees aren't valuable.Hence many of the guys doing masters here would always have problem.The few ones that got lucky after doing Masters here were good at software developing or programming.There some courses that aren't marketable in Germany.There are still Opportunities for those ones that are prepared and ready to grab them.

For the ones that migrated out of Nigeria with wrong impression about Abroad,You will always see them lamenting.Migration and integrating yourself into another Man society is not a day job.You should be ready to work your ass off.According to Eu labour law,Third world Nationals should always be employers last option.If you as a Third world citizen knows this fact,Then you should be ready to work harder so that you can find into competition

There are other opportunities in the EU, just that your residence permit status determine how you gonna grab those opportunities.Each country have law and you shouldn't expect the law to favour you more than their own citizen!!

What does not work for Mr A might work for Mr B,You guys should stop spreading false news !! If anyone of you want to live large, Go back home, break a bank and live large..Oyinbo designed their country for comfort and not for show off.

Perhaps you could point out the wrong statements in the whole thread. You started as if we made false statements yet subconsciously agreed with whatever we are saying.

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Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by salford1: 12:43am On Nov 12, 2018
simonjo:


True talk bro
In addition, immigrants stand a better chance of landing an apprenticeship position if they can move to where oyinbos do not like to go. Like up North which could be very cold with zero social life or smaller cities. Once they get the journeyperson ticket, they can now move to a bigger city, but rarely would one find a nigerian that is willing to do that. They would rather be working in survival jobs than move out of a big city.

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Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Cyberknight: 1:19am On Nov 12, 2018
salford1:

In addition, immigrants stand a better chance of landing an apprenticeship position if they can move to where oyinbos do not like to go. Like up North which could be very cold with zero social life or smaller cities. Once they get the journeyperson ticket, they can now move to a bigger city, but rarely would one find a nigerian that is willing to do that. They would rather be working in survival jobs than move out of a big city.

As you know, the racism tends to multiply exponentially with each kilometre that you move outside a big city. Another reason to stay close to where people of your skin colour are generally found.

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Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by Cyberknight: 1:19am On Nov 12, 2018
salford1:

In addition, immigrants stand a better chance of landing an apprenticeship position if they can move to where oyinbos do not like to go. Like up North which could be very cold with zero social life or smaller cities. Once they get the journeyperson ticket, they can now move to a bigger city, but rarely would one find a nigerian that is willing to do that. They would rather be working in survival jobs than move out of a big city.

As you know, racism tends to multiply exponentially with each kilometre that you move outside a big city. Another reason to stay close to where people of your skin colour are generally found.

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Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by 4dor: 8:51am On Nov 12, 2018
Mille:


Buhari and Atiku can burn for all I care. The reason I am waiting is just to see if there will be any brouhaha after the elections.

I'm only bothered about Security. Na to just find solar take console myself. Even if na 1.5KVA.

The thousands wey stay back for Germany. How are they faring. Most are into low-level Logistics jobs like Amazon or running from one temp agency to another. In all my sojourn in Europe, I have never met a Nigerian who could comfortably afford to rent a 3 bedroom with a car. Of what purpose is migration if I cannot live a better quality of life than the one I live back home.


Bros, I am not coming to search for job o. The one thing I am thankful of, is that Europe has exposed me to the many opportunities in Nigeria that I couldn't see before.

You need to start mingling with Nigerian Software Engineers in Germany. I believe they'll change your opinion
Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by henryhemon(m): 9:48am On Nov 12, 2018
Mcowubaba:

That experiment have been done countless times by many people grin grin grin grin, same result grin grin
Some people are just woefully ignorant, or have selective naiveness to these issues.
Racism is bigger than what people think it is, majority of the companies in this western countries are racist scumbags, just very few are fair. lol

I had an experience with a canadian and American organisation, they were impressed with my CV and practically pleading with me to come work with them n wanted a chat with me and when I told them I was in Nigeria, you need to see the regret mail they american sent, the canadian was a little humane advising I find my way to canada.

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Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by ekanDamie: 9:31pm On Nov 12, 2018
Mille:
God bless you for this piece, Mcowubaba
. Claremont, I doubt you understand the kind of racism that goes on in the professional sphere in Europe. We had this argument with a colleague also. I applied for internship positions with my CV (same format, just different names, emails and phone numbers). I received 29 rejections in a space of 4 days while all 30 scheduled an interview with the one with the German name.

I am in Germany and it is pretty much the same. Thousands of Africans here even with German Masters & PhDs working low level cleaning and physical logistics jobs. I mean, seeing those who have been settled here for more than 20-30 years looking so haggardly is enough to discourage my continued residence in Europe.

I'm just waiting for the 2019 elections to be over and to receive my degree. Heaven knows I won't be here come June 2019.


Wait brov, so what u mean now is that u intend to come back to Nigeria?

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Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by ekanDamie: 9:33pm On Nov 12, 2018
henryhemon:


I had an experience with a canadian and American organisation, they were impressed with my CV and practically pleading with me to come work with them n wanted a chat with me and when I told them I was in Nigeria, you need to see the regret mail they american sent, the canadian was a little humane advising I find my way to canada.
I don't see this as racism. If a coy in lekki only wants people from lekki or on the island to apply, are they racists?
It depends on the coys ability to bear d logistics or not

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Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by ekanDamie: 9:45pm On Nov 12, 2018
Cyberknight:


Well said at the bolded.

I lived in Ireland for 4 years.

Have been to other developed countries.

Opportunities may be available in some of these countries, but generically educated African immigrants are at the back of the queue. Fact.

Retraining costs a shitload of money. If you are a fresh immigrant the cost of keeping your house heated alone your first winter has eaten deep into your precious naira-converted-into foreign currency.

Back in the post-military early-Obasanjo days before Nigeria descended to shithole/hellhole level, a lot of boys in Europe we would meet were strongly considering porting back to Nigeria. I know many who said it was only the nightmare of carrying petrol in their car boots and firing gens at night that kept them back in ilu oyibo (i.e. the amenities and better quality of life). Nobody one meets these days even hints at that anymore.

Summary: if you want to emigrate and you're single and unencumbered and young, you can come in, take up anything you can get, and with careful belt-tightening and all that, you can retrain or eventually get a foot on the ladder. The older and encumbered ones have more belt-tightening and much higher chances of ending up without that much-dreamed about white collar job. It's their children they're giving a leg up, not themselves.


Bros, do you pls have option of how one can legally leave this country with a visa that does not allow one look over his ahoulders

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Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by salford1: 9:46pm On Nov 12, 2018
ekanDamie:

I don't see this as racism. If a coy in lekki only wants people from lekki or on the island to apply, are they racists?
It depends on the coys ability to bear d logistics or not
Exactly. Back when I was still a PR in Canada with only naija passport, I once lost out on a job that required frequent seamless travel to the states. It was a small business about 100km from the US border, and they wanted someone that could hit the ground running. Someone they could call in the middle of the night that could pick up his passport and just drive straight to the US ASAP without issues. My Nigerian passport+PR did not give me such luxury. I didn't shout racism when I was turned down. I just moved on to a job I was a proper fit for.

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Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by salford1: 9:48pm On Nov 12, 2018
Cyberknight:


As you know, racism tends to multiply exponentially with each kilometre that you move outside a big city. Another reason to stay close to where people of your skin colour are generally found.
While this is true, it's not always the case. I have worked in very small towns and never heard an encounter of racism. I sometimes do get the occasional curious stare because the residents almost know every black person in town.
Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by ekanDamie: 9:52pm On Nov 12, 2018
salford1:

Exactly. Back when I was still a PR in Canada with only naija passport, I once lost out on a job that required frequent seamless travel to the states. It was a small business about 100km from the US border, and they wanted someone that could hit the ground running. Someone they could call in the middle of the night that could pick up his passport and just drive straight to the US ASAP without issues. My Nigerian passport+PR did not give me such luxury. I didn't shout racism when I was turned down. I just moved on to a job I was a proper fit for.
*smiles* IMO Canada is still one of the best place for Africans.
Have u left CA ?
Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by salford1: 10:02pm On Nov 12, 2018
ekanDamie:

*smiles* IMO Canada is still one of the best place for Africans.
Have u left CA ?

I am still here. I full ground cool.

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Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by ekanDamie: 10:06pm On Nov 12, 2018
salford1:


I am still here. I full ground cool.
Aswear I always enny u guys. But that IELTS, I no sure say I fit ever pass that thing.
Did u get in thru EE?
Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by salford1: 1:21am On Nov 13, 2018
ekanDamie:

Aswear I always enny u guys. But that IELTS, I no sure say I fit ever pass that thing.
Did u get in thru EE?
Nothing to envy. All na hustle. I got in through the federal skilled workers program back in the days of skilled occupation list. EE is the new program. Ielts is not that bad if you really put your mind to it.

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Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by henryhemon(m): 6:27am On Nov 13, 2018
ekanDamie:

I don't see this as racism. If a coy in lekki only wants people from lekki or on the island to apply, are they racists?
It depends on the coys ability to bear d logistics or not

Cuz you don't know.
Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by iaatmguy(m): 9:54am On Nov 13, 2018
ekanDamie:

*smiles* IMO Canada is still one of the best place for Africans.
Have u left CA ?
i was about asking salford1 about this question.
me that i am preparing to ask questions when its time to move
GW 2nd quarter of next year

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Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by ekanDamie: 10:10am On Nov 13, 2018
iaatmguy:
i was about asking salford1 about this question.
me that i am preparing to ask questions when its time to move
GW 2nd quarter of next year
Me too am planning seriously o, even alongside a fellow friend. Tho, we looking at last quarter. How far, what prospects are u looking at. Maybe we can share ideas
Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by iaatmguy(m): 10:15am On Nov 13, 2018
ekanDamie:

Aswear I always enny u guys. But that IELTS, I no sure say I fit ever pass that thing.
Did u get in thru EE?
i can guarantee you, it's not difficult. 1 hour practice for a month and you are good to go. owing to the fact that you have (i believe) basic, intermediary knowledge of English Language. IF NOT PROFICIENT SEF
Re: Before You Come To Ireland!!! by iaatmguy(m): 10:21am On Nov 13, 2018
ekanDamie:

Me too am planning seriously o, even alongside a fellow friend. Tho, we looking at last quarter. How far, what prospects are u looking at. Maybe we can share ideas
am planning to migrate to CA. TBH not looking at any white collar jobs, not planning to settle in big cities like salford1 suggested.

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