So many questions bother my mind from childhood till date, I'm glad I found a place to ask.

According to the accounts in the Bible, physical angelic visitations were rampant to Abraham, Mary, Joseph, Paul, Peter, etc.

Daniel was thrown into d pit of lions and was not hurt, same with his colleagues who were thrown into burning furnace. (a pastor IN Ibadan I read some years ago entered lion's den to do like Daniel, was torn to pieces) .

God used Moses' rod to swallow snakes and also path d mighty red sea.

God provided ram IN place of Isaac for Abraham sacrifice instantly.

Noah's story of ark n flood.

Jesus came, walked on water, turned water to wine, fed multitude with the increase from 2fishand 5loaves of bread, healed the sick and raised the dead, d blind received their sights, d deaf could hear, lame could walk, woman with issue of blood case was done and dusted all this happened instantly without delay.

The further promise of Jesus, he told his disciples, greater is d work I did u will do if you believe. The disciple got the holyspirit on the day of Pentecost without delay they went about doing good, healing d sick, etc (do our current generation pastors do dat¿), etc.

The main Question now is has the church miss the light of what happened in the past as recorded in d Bible. Or all Wat was recorded in the Bible are not true?

Thanks

Everything has gone wrong

The bible stories were influenced by other religions... So most of it never happened..

5 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions

The problem is that most of what you call churches today are all fraud. They preach the wrong gospel that is why the fruits of Christianity can't be found in them. They have also created disciples and have proliferated every nook and crannies of this world.

Example of false churches are RCCG and Winners chapel. They preach work based salvation which unbiblical. That's why they can never perform any miracle but lies. They deny Jesus paid for our salvation in full. Thisbshows they have denied Jesus of full glory. They dont have the son whom they have denied, so how can they have the Father?

1 John 2:23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also .
Christian


Please study to show thyself approved.

I found one thing as being responsible!

Trustme2:
Everything has gone wrong

Elaborate, pls?

Daniel was thrown into d pit of lions and was not hurt, same with his colleagues who were thrown into burning furnace. (a pastor IN Ibadan I read some years ago entered lion's den to do like Daniel, was torn to pieces) .

That man tempted God that was why he was eaten by lion in the zoo.

The further promise of Jesus, he told his disciples, greater is d work I did u will do if you believe. The disciple got the holyspirit on the day of Pentecost without delay they went about doing good, healing d sick, etc (do our current generation pastors do dat¿), etc.

Yes pastors of this generation still do till date.

The main Question now is has the church miss the light of what happened in the past as recorded in d Bible. Or all Wat was recorded in the Bible are not true?

Thanks

The church has not miss anything except for a few. What was recorded in the bible is true. Many are still happening till date.

I can tell you that this generation of pastors do, though, there are a few who are like the seven sons of sceva. Do you know the story of the 'Seven sons of Sceva? If no, read so that you'll understand why some pastors can't say a thing and it comes to pass. Have you been to '5 nights of glory' by David Ibieyomie? Book a date with Salvation Ministries 'cause God still does miracles. Do you watch 'love world' by pastor Chris? Have you been to Shiloh before? This is just to mention a few.

asuustrike1:


That man tempted God that was why he was eaten by lion in the zoo.

Yes pastors of this generation still do till date.


The church has not miss anything except for a few. What was recorded in the bible is true. Many are still happening till date.

All thes are not answers! Show me where it is happening, not heresays or jus by answering dat it is happening. Dats not an answer, dats beclouding answers. Backup ur responses wit reasonable answers

Brock1:



All this see nothing answers! Show me where it is happening, not heresays or jus by answering dat it is happening. Dats not an answer, dats beclouding answers.

They are happening bro. Those pastors don't do publicity stunt at all since it is unnecessary

asuustrike1:

They are happening bro. Those pastors don't do publicity stunt at all since it is unnecessary

OYO, make I dress up go church lemme hear Wetin dem go say again today

kimbraa:
I can tell you that this generation of pastors do, though, there are a few who are like the seven sons of sceva. Do you know the story of the 'Seven sons of Sceva? If no, read so that you'll understand why some pastors can't say a thing and it comes to pass. Have you been to '5 nights of glory' by David Ibieyomie? Book a date with Salvation Ministries 'cause God still does miracles. Do you watch 'love world' by pastor Chris? Have you been to Shiloh before? This is just to mention a few.

All those are stage-managed miracles.

alBHAGDADI:

The problem is that most of what you call churches today are all fraud. They preach the wrong gospel that is why the fruits of Christianity can't be found in them. They have also created disciples and have proliferated every nook and crannies of this world.

Example of false churches are RCCG and Winners chapel. They preach work based salvation which unbiblical. That's why they can never perform any miracle but lies. They deny Jesus paid for our salvation in full. Thisbshows they have denied Jesus of full glory. They dont have the son whom they have denied, so how can they have the Father?

1 John 2:23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also .
Christian


Please study to show thyself approved.

Hi Albhagdadi. I just recently noticed you don't believe in work based salvation for Christians. I am curious though have u always disagreed with it or it is something you started recently because I have been reading your posts for about a year or so now and I am only just noticing it.

Unfortunately those bible stories were not real. So don't expect to see any real miracle. The only miracles that u will see are those ones with actors and they only happen in churches where the number of people are so large you can't even verify the truth.
This is why all the blind people you know are still blind. All the deaf people you know are still deaf. All the cripple you know are still cripples.
There is no miracle anywhere. Just fake bastards acting miracles.

NPComplete:


Hi Albhagdadi. I just recently noticed you don't believe in work based salvation for Christians. I am curious though have u always disagreed with it or it is something you started recently because I have been reading your posts for about a year or so now and I am only just noticing it.

I stopped believing in work based salvation few months ago. That was when I truly got saved. I came across the truth and it set me free. All these while on Nairaland, I wasn't saved because I was depending on my works to save me. I now depend on Grace through faith.

alBHAGDADI:


I stopped believing in work based salvation few months ago. That was when I truly got saved. I came across the truth and it set me free. All these while on Nairaland, I wasn't saved because I was depending on my works to save me. I now depend on Grace through faith.

Interesting. Thanks for clearing things up.

alBHAGDADI:


I stopped believing in work based salvation few months ago. That was when I truly got saved. I came across the truth and it set me free. All these while on Nairaland, I wasn't saved because I was depending on my works to save me. I now depend on Grace through faith.

Hi bro. Pls I will like a discussion with you on this. How do we go about this pls?

adelee777:


Hi bro. Pls I will like a discussion with you on this. How do we go about this pls?

Thanks very much for your request.

You see, I know I'm quite popular on Nairaland for my constant defense of Christianity and for exposing the lies of Islam. But during those period, I was never saved, mainly because I didn't understand what salvation is. I thought not committing sin is what makes you eligible for heaven , and that if we sin we go to hell.

One day, I came across a YouTube video which saved me. It is by Pastor Steve Anderson and it's titled Once Saved Always Saved. All through my life, I have always heard that the doctrine is false. But I took my time to listen to the pastor. That was the day I got saved.

Below is a link to the transcript of the video. You will even find the YouTube video at the beginning. You can download it, but if you feel you don't have enough data, then read the transcript.

I beg you in the name of Jesus to please spend time to read or watch the video. Ignore all those Toke Makinwa and Tonto Dikeh threads which add nothing to a man. Kindly read the link below and I believe it will set you free and save your soul.


http://faithfulwordbaptist.org/once_saved_always_saved.html

alBHAGDADI:
Thanks very much for your request.

You see, I know I'm quite popular on Nairaland for my constant defense of Christianity and for exposing the lies of Islam. But during those period, I was never saved, mainly because I didn't understand what salvation is. I thought not committing sin is what makes you eligible for heaven , and that if we sin we go to hell.

One day, I came across a YouTube video which saved me. It is by Pastor Steve Anderson and it's titled Once Saved Always Saved. All through my life, I have always heard that the doctrine is false. But I took my time to listen to the pastor. That was the day I got saved.

Below is a link to the transcript of the video. You will even find the YouTube video at the beginning. You can download it, but if you feel you don't have enough data, then read the transcript.

I beg you in the name of Jesus to please spend time to read or watch the video. Ignore all those Toke Makinwa and Tonto Dikeh threads which add nothing to a man. Kindly read the link below and I believe it will set you free and save your soul.


http://faithfulwordbaptist.org/once_saved_always_saved.html

I will read too

Brock1:




I will read too

Please do read it with a calm and open mind willing to learn. I pray you get saved at the end of it.

alBHAGDADI:
Please do read it with a calm and open mind willing to learn. I pray you get saved at the end of it.

Bro welcome to the grace train. It is Jesus plus nothing.

bloodofthelamb:


Bro welcome to the grace train. It is Jesus plus nothing.

Thanks very much

alBHAGDADI:

The problem is that most of what you call churches today are all fraud. They preach the wrong gospel that is why the fruits of Christianity can't be found in them. They have also created disciples and have proliferated every nook and crannies of this world.

Example of false churches are RCCG and Winners chapel. They preach work based salvation which unbiblical. That's why they can never perform any miracle but lies. They deny Jesus paid for our salvation in full. Thisbshows they have denied Jesus of full glory. They dont have the son whom they have denied, so how can they have the Father?

1 John 2:23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also .
Christian


Please study to show thyself approved.

Preach against their message not against them.. Last last they're still church leaders and we're admonished to respect their authority..

alBHAGDADI:

The problem is that most of what you call churches today are all fraud. They preach the wrong gospel that is why the fruits of Christianity can't be found in them. They have also created disciples and have proliferated every nook and crannies of this world.

Example of false churches are RCCG and Winners chapel. They preach work based salvation which unbiblical. That's why they can never perform any miracle but lies. They deny Jesus paid for our salvation in full. Thisbshows they have denied Jesus of full glory. They dont have the son whom they have denied, so how can they have the Father?

1 John 2:23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also .
Christian


Please study to show thyself approved.

In case you dont know,a lot of Nairalanders in religion session do look for your comments in Christian Topics because of the way you divide and explain the scriptures. Dont let them down by being another "denominationalized and prejudiced induced "preacher,as a result of making unfounded claims about people and organizations(Its called character assassination).
I dont believe Both RCCG and Winners will preach that salvation is by works haba common ,even white garments churches still say only Jesus can save,not to talk of Pentecostal churches with outlets nationwide and internationally.

kimbraa:
I can tell you that this generation of pastors do, though, there are a few who are like the seven sons of sceva. Do you know the story of the 'Seven sons of Sceva? If no, read so that you'll understand why some pastors can't say a thing and it comes to pass. Have you been to '5 nights of glory' by David Ibieyomie? Book a date with Salvation Ministries 'cause God still does miracles. Do you watch 'love world' by pastor Chris? Have you been to Shiloh before? This is just to mention a few.

I Know of Pastor chris,he has the gift of healing in so great measure,i dont know of David Ibieyomie. But Shiloh? come again,what happens there,did the blind see,or the lame walk or the dead rise? tell me. I know he will have his own gifts too though,probably success in business lol

Greatzeus:

In case you dont know,a lot of Nairalanders in religion session do look for your comments in Christian Topics because of the way you divide and explain the scriptures. Dont let them down by being another "denominationalized and prejudiced induced "preacher,as a result of making unfounded claims about people and organizations(Its called character assassination).
I dont believe Both RCCG and Winners will preach that salvation is by works haba common ,even white garments churches still say only Jesus can save,not to talk of Pentecostal churches with outlets nationwide and internationally.

If me saying the truth as seen in the Bible will let many down, I'll gladly let them down. When I mentioned RCCG and Winners Chapel as false churches who preach work based salvation, I knew what I was saying. Below is a link of Oyedepo saying one can lose his salvation.

https://www.nairaland.com/4581322/bishop-oyedepo-christian-lose-salvation

Ask any RCCG member what will happen to a saved Christian who dies few seconds after sinning, they will tell you he is going to hell fire. Isn't that inspired by work based salvation? Does Adeboye even have a full sermon o. salvation? All I've seen are disjointed sermons all on work based.

A time is coming when Christians will be hated by pseudo Christians for saying the truth.

Perfectbeing:


Preach against their message not against them.. Last last they're still church leaders and we're admonished to respect their authority..

Not a false teacher's authority. See what Oyedepo said below.

https://www.nairaland.com/4581322/bishop-oyedepo-christian-lose-salvation

alBHAGDADI:


If me saying the truth as seen in the Bible will let many down, I'll gladly let them down. When I mentioned RCCG and Winners Chapel as false churches who preach work based salvation, I knew what I was saying. Below is a link of Oyedepo saying one can lose his salvation.

https://www.nairaland.com/4581322/bishop-oyedepo-christian-lose-salvation

Ask any RCCG member what will happen to a saved Christian who dies few seconds after sinning, they will tell you he is going to hell fire. Isn't that inspired by work based salvation? Does Adeboye even have a full sermon o. salvation? All I've seen are disjointed sermons all on work based.

A time is coming when Christians will be hated by pseudo Christians for saying the truth.

How about working out your salvation with fear and trembling?

rhektor:


How about working out your salvation with fear and trembling?

As a believer, you do not "service" your salvation. Leave the "servicing" to be done by Christ. He's the author. Allow him to be the finisher. He started the work, he should be left to finish it.

It text you quoted about working out your salvation, I want you to read the whole verse and the verse after it.

Perfectbeing:


As a believer, you do not "service" your salvation. Leave the "servicing" to be done by Christ. He's the author. Allow him to be the finisher. He started the work, he should be left to finish it.

It text you quoted about working out your salvation, I want you to read the whole verse and the verse after it.

I think you should read Philippians 2:12 and compare it with Romans 12:1&2

A lot need to be done by believers don't just sit there and preach saved by grace and forget about faith without work being dead

I would have loved to hear albhagdadi to respond to this

rhektor:


I think you should read Philippians 2:12 and compare it with Romans 12:1&2

A lot need to be done by believers don't just sit there and preach saved by grace and forget about faith without work being dead

I would have loved to hear albhagdadi to respond to this

Both verses still don't say your not sinning is what saves you. They encourage us not to sin, but salvation is not of our works.

rhektor:


I think you should read Philippians 2:12 and compare it with Romans 12:1&2

A lot need to be done by believers don't just sit there and preach saved by grace and forget about faith without work being dead

I would have loved to hear albhagdadi to respond to this

If a lot needs to be done by a believer then Jesus shouldn't have died in the first place. We'd have just needed to do the "lot" of things to be saved. It is pride and not humility that will make someone think he needs to do "a lot of things" to get himself saved or to remain saved. The bible tells us in Romans 8 that nothing, "of this age or the age to come" can separate us from the love of God.

This is why some people will cry out on that day "Lord Lord, I did so so and so in your name. I gave to the poor, I kept the commandments, I didn't steal, kill, commit adultery, I always attended church, I even healed the sick in your name, I raised the dead in your name." But Jesus will reply that he doesn't know them. He isn't lying. He actually never knew them cos they never really believed in his redemptive work. They, like Cain thought that they could please God with their toil, with their sweat.. with their good works.. They never believed that only the cross could save them..

James taught about the works of faith. But what we don't realise is that he was talking about the works that man could see. Works of faith is the proof that man needs to see in you to make them believe you're a believer. The only proof God needs is the seal of salvation. Which you get when you believe.

Let's take a look at the thief on the cross. He only needed to believe in Christ and he was saved. He didn't need to do "good works" . He only need BELIEVE.