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Re: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Pretribulation Rapture Departure Or Apostasy From The Faith? by omojeesu(m): 2:36pm On Dec 03, 2018
brodalokie:


You are the confusionist. First you said Antichrist and then you said Christ.
Point of correction. The Antichrist is not a person, it's a spirit that will possess the beast and his wrath is different from the vials, plagues etc of God.
The office of the beast and it's images are around for centuries but the person who'd end the would is the one talked about. After that there will not be another. It's not a script that is played for an individual.

This is what the tribulation looks like. First it is a compound word that involves a Tribe. The pagans have it all mapped out in the astrological charts like grouping all of 12 calendar Stars under 4 signs. Namely, Earth, Air, Water and Fire on the highest peak. Then break it down to earthly tribes and tongues.
They use Adam who they call Saturn as Earth
Then Woman or Venus as Water
Then Serpent or Jupiter as Air
Lastly Cain or Mars as Fire
There are the cardinal characters of the groups.

Now they teach that Saturn or Adam was married to his mother after he had cut off his father's Uranus (A sky god) testicles and threw it into the Water and then he births Zeus another sky god who overpowered him by locking him with chains in Tartarus or Hell which puts Adam as the Antichrist and the Serpent as the Christ based on logistics. Then the era of the Titans immediately folds away and the Olympians were born.
Now if I were going to explain this script for you using the Bible. The Serpent was a wise Beast or the King of the Jungle who approaches the woman (Lilith as they called him in another page) who is obviously aged than Adam in a romantic relationship, while Adam (the child of God) is sex starved.

Breakdown to the state

The Serpent is the Ancestral spirit who will reincarnate in another body as indigenous ruler (the Beast). The whole creature were made before Adam.
The woman is the Tribes of the States which consists of people also known as the church, apparently holding ancient secrets or mysteries.
Adam is an ignorant human child (Heir or a Leader of Tomorrow). A type of Jesus who is currently running the churches while seated at the right hand of the Father in heaven.

In the tribulation, people, tribes and tongues will be involved in a universal romantic orgy with the beast and will deprive Jesus our savior worship like the baby Adam. This is what makes Jesus called her the LovePeddler who has made the world drunk with the wine (Stimulation or Formation/Job) of her fornication.
It is those who identify with Jesus that will not bow to the beast that will be troubled, tortured by not being able to trade or make money and may eventually die of trouble. This means that the church is divided. For he said come out of her my people in revelation 18.4
And before we read of the LovePeddler, there is another woman in chapter 12 who was pregnant with a child who is to Leader of tomorrow.

We are told however that except those days of tribulation were shortened, no flesh will be saved. It means for the elect's sake, it will be shortened.

Lastly and again, the rapture is not a reoccurring event. It is meant to happen once. There is nothing like a world without end. Everything has a beginning and ending except God.

Where did you get all these?

We are certainly not on the same page! I stick to the Bible only!

End of discussion!

Bye bye!!!!

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Re: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Pretribulation Rapture Departure Or Apostasy From The Faith? by brodalokie: 2:52pm On Dec 03, 2018
omojeesu:


Where did you get all these?

We are certainly not on the same page! I stick to the Bible only!

End of discussion!

Bye bye!!!!

Same here but the whole package was necessarily mandatory. Pick your own and leave the rest for it's audience.
Re: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Pretribulation Rapture Departure Or Apostasy From The Faith? by linearity: 1:53am On Dec 04, 2018
alBHAGDADI:


It's not about what you believe but about what the Bible says. Does the Bible speak of two separate events?

Where?

Bros, If you are already entrenched in a single end-time event related to the coming of Jesus Christ; there is truly little I can do to change that; more so, that belief is not central to our salvation nor redemption, so it might just be fruitless for us ping-pong among each other on the internet over this. Whether you believe is a single end-time event or believe in a two end-time events; as long as you are saved, you are as good as golden.

That said, I strongly believed in two-end time events as indicated in the Bible.....The first event, is the Rapture aka catching-away of the Saints to meet with Jesus in the Air and the second event, which is the second coming aka Jesus coming with ten thousands of his saints and they will touch down on mount Olive, from where He will establish his millennial reign with the saints after defeating the anti-Christ and their Armies in the war call Armageddon.

These are some differences with scriptural verses of events, general atmosphere immediately before, during and immediately after each:

Rapture: Christ comes for His Saints (John 14:3; 1Th. 5:28; 2Th. 2:1). Second Coming: Christ comes with His Saints (1Th. 3:13; Jude 1:14; Rev. 19:14+).

Rapture: Christ comes in the air and saints meets Him in the Air (1Th. 4:17). Second Coming: Christ comes to the earth and his feets touch down mount Olive (Zec. 14:4; Acts 1:11).


Rapture: Christ come to claims His bride (1Th. 4:16-17). Second Coming: Christ comes with His bride (Rev. 19:6-14+)

Rapture: Believers will be removed (1Th. 4:17) Second Coming: Manifestation to the whole world (Mal. 4:2).

Rapture: Only His own see Him (1Th. 4:13-18) Second Coming: Every eye shall see Him (Rev. 1:7+).

Rapture: Thereafter, the seven years tribulation will begin (2Th. 1:6-9) Second Coming: Thereafter, the Millennial reign of Christ with His Saints will begin. (Rev. 20:1-7+)

Rapture: Believers are delivered from God's wrath (1Th. 1:10; 1Th. 5:9) Second Coming: Unbelievers will experience the wrath of God (Rev. 6:12-17+)

Rapture: No signs precede rapture, it is imminent; it could happen the next minute or second and without warning, no one know the time (1Th. 5:1-3). Second Coming: Many Signs will precede the Second Coming and there will be many warnings, plus it wouldn't take place until after the seven years tribulation on earth (Luke 21:11, Luke 21:15).

Rapture: The Focus is Lord and Church (1Th. 4:13-18). Second Coming: The Focus is Israel and kingdom and Israelites resumption of sacrifices in the temple to God. Jesus did not abolish the old testament, it was suspended and will be resumed and Israelites whom Jesus referred to as 'other sheeps' will be brought into the fold. (Mat. 24:14)

Rapture: Believers depart the earth (1Th. 4:15-17) Second Coming: Unbelievers are taken away from the earth (Mat. 24:37-51)

Rapture: Precedes the career of the man of sin aka the Anti-Christ. (2Th. 2:1-3) Second Coming: Terminates the career of the man of sin aka the Anti-Christ (Rev. 19:20+)

Rapture: World will be deceived (2Th. 2:3-12) Second Coming: Satan is bound so he cannot deceive anyone.(Rev. 20:1-2+)

Thanks and God bless.

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Re: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Pretribulation Rapture Departure Or Apostasy From The Faith? by linearity: 2:09am On Dec 04, 2018
alBHAGDADI:


2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

From the bible passage above, we see that the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ will not happen until after there is a falling away and the son of perdition (Antichrist) is revealed. The rapture won't occur until Antichrist has been revealed. How you people believe it will occur before he is revealed is what baffles me. Can't you all see clear scriptures?

That passage is talking about the second coming and not about the Rapture.....There are many signs that will occur before the second coming....But the Rapture, there is no signs, no warning...the Bible used words/phrases like these to represent the Rapture..It will be like a thief in the night, it will be sudden, it will occur anytime now...when they will say peace peace, then it will occur, etc...
Re: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Pretribulation Rapture Departure Or Apostasy From The Faith? by jiggaz(m): 11:06pm On Jan 24, 2021
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Re: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Pretribulation Rapture Departure Or Apostasy From The Faith? by jiggaz(m): 8:34pm On Nov 23, 2022
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Re: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Pretribulation Rapture Departure Or Apostasy From The Faith? by Steep(m): 8:46pm On Nov 23, 2022
Yes there would be a great fall away or apostasy before the antichrist surfaces, this fall away is already casting her shadow.
The rapture will then take place giving room for the antichrist to surface.
Re: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Pretribulation Rapture Departure Or Apostasy From The Faith? by jiggaz(m): 4:48pm On Nov 24, 2022
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Re: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Pretribulation Rapture Departure Or Apostasy From The Faith? by FxMasterz: 8:14pm On Mar 01
lanrywatt:

Hogwash ... Go and read your bible , and not the truth u think u received from one book u read , who lack truth in totality ..
It is clear from your projection that your interpretation is based on your carnal understanding of the scripture... No scripture is of private understanding, u need to balance it up with other scriptures on the same subject matters ..

He is 100% correct. All other scriptures relating to the rapture have a post-tribulation stance except this scripture he clarified in 2Thess 2:3. Now, that we understand the reason for the confusion, all scriptures are now in alignment, pointing towards a pre-tribulation rapture .

Mind you, I have always believed in a pre-tribulation rapture because of the direct statements made by Paul in this verse. But now that I know that the Greek word "apostasia" means "departure" rather than 'fall away', I'm ready to redefine my position.

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