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Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by Anas09: 3:45pm On Dec 04
MightySparrow:
But jesus returned in 1914 we JW saw him
Yes he did. Why then are you still witnessing for Jehovah? Isn't the reign of Jesus devoid of Sin and sorrow, sickness and death?

Liars everywhere.

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Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by MrPresident1: 3:47pm On Dec 04
Anas09:

Na only him o. Jesus says no one knows not even the Angels, so who dey give that guy his info? Lie lie.

Ranchoddas is an olodo. Simple question I asked him yesterday, he has not answered
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by Anas09: 3:50pm On Dec 04
MrPresident1:


I have nothing to say to you except READ!
Recommend what i shd read nah. Is it just anything.

Right now i have read Heaven and Hell, The Joy of Heaven, The Life of Angels, True Christianity, Divine Love and Wisdom, Divine Providence by the same Author and Angles of Assignment.
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by MrPresident1: 4:02pm On Dec 04
Anas09:

Recommend what i shd read nah. Is it just anything.

Right now i have read Heaven and Hell, The Joy of Heaven, The Life of Angels, True Christianity, Divine Love and Wisdom, Divine Providence by the same Author and Angles of Assignment.

Lol. You have been filling your head with junk, no wonder you don't understand one single thing.

Just start reading me grin cheesy, be conscientious
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by MightySparrow: 4:46pm On Dec 04
Anas09:

Yes he did. Why then are you still witnessing for Jehovah? Isn't the reign of Jesus devoid of Sin and sorrow, sickness and death?

Liars everywhere.
Why?
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by wolesmile(m): 5:57pm On Dec 04
MrPresident1:
Whatever you like you can call yourself, just make sure that you do not run yourself mad.



But you know you are mad already. Keep deceiving yourself in your illusion...

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Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by Anas09: 11:25pm On Dec 04
MightySparrow:
Why?
Why what?
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by Anas09: 11:28pm On Dec 04
MrPresident1:


Lol. You have been filling your head with junk, no wonder you don't understand one single thing.

Just start reading me grin cheesy, be conscientious
See, even you don't believe yourself. Your emojis says it all.

I promise you that you cannot read and Understand any of Swedenborg's books. I dare you to try.

If you really believe the crab you spew here, then your case is different.

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Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by Anas09: 11:32pm On Dec 04
MrPresident1:

Ranchoddas is an olodo. Simple question I asked him yesterday, he has not answered
Oh Mr President1. That a man decides not to answer you doesn't make him an olodo. These days i ignore a lot of mentions, if that makes me olodo, fine.
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by MightySparrow: 4:37am On Dec 05
Anas09:
Why what?
what why?
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by sonmvayina(m): 6:57am On Dec 05
MrPresident1:
The only prophecy remaining to be fulfilled is JUDGMENT DAY that will lead to earth-wide mourning.

This will be followed by the Sun coming again in power and great glory. This Sun of God is the Son of God. The way he departed is the way he will return.

The sun is the reference, so the generation must refer to the sun.

Everything in the Bible is about the Son of God, who is the son of man, who is the Sun of the world.

He is the Bringer of light, he is the light bearer, HE IS THE AUTHENTIC LUCIFER.

19days to go

Why is it so hard for you to realise and understand that it is just literature, it is just words on paper (a story).. They are just playing on your passion.... Please for sanity sake, snap out of it...
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by sonmvayina(m): 7:16am On Dec 05
The French will host the Olympics in 2024 and the American in 2028,these are people that gave that mind controlling book to you and you have refused to have sense, they are already making plans to have a good game for all athletes.. You are waiting for a dead jew that did not even exist to come and rapture you...
You are just a good example of stuupid....

God is within us, not outside of us... God is divine consciousness, not a Jewish man up in the sky or genie that grants wishes...
Educate yourself please.
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by MrPresident1: 8:24am On Dec 05
sonmvayina:


Why is it so hard for you to realise and understand that it is just literature, it is just words on paper (a story).. They are just playing on your passion.... Please for sanity sake, snap out of it...

Gerarahia!

You can never understand anything.
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by MrPresident1: 8:28am On Dec 05
Anas09:

Oh Mr President1. That a man decides not to answer you doesn't make him an olodo. These days i ignore a lot of mentions, if that makes me olodo, fine.

Ranchhodas is an olodo jo. So why did he not answer me? grin Let him come and answer me if he is man enough cheesy
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by MrPresident1: 8:43am On Dec 05
Anas09:

See, even you don't believe yourself. Your emojis says it all.

I promise you that you cannot read and Understand any of Swedenborg's books. I dare you to try.

If you really believe the crab you spew here, then your case is different.

READ Anas09 cheesy wink
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by sonmvayina(m): 8:59am On Dec 05
MrPresident1:


Gerarahia!

You can never understand anything.



What makes you think the story is true or real?

, It's a very popular question. Why don't Jews believe Jesus was the Messiah? Aren't the proofs convincing?

This is a sensitive issue, and it is hoped that no one will be offended by the candid answer provided here.

We do not believe that it is prophesied that the Messiah will be crucified. We do not believe that the Messiah will be the son of G-d. We do not believe that he will be raised from the dead any more than anyone else. We do not believe that he will appear twice, in what some Christians call a second coming. We do not believe that the Messiah will be our "savior" in the sense that he will redeem us from our sins.

These are all fascinating claims to make concerning anyone, but they are all irrelevant to the Messiah for whom the Jews have awaited these three thousand years. None of these things are prophesied in the Jewish Bible.

What then is this Messiah for whom we wait? The Messiah will be a mortal man, born of a normal man and woman.He will be a man very learned in all sections of the Torah, and he will be a very righteous man. He will be of the undisputed scion of David through his father. He will become uncontested ruler in the Land of Israel over all the People of Israel, that is, all Twelve Tribes of Israel. He will have at least one son, who will be king after the Messiah dies a normal death at an advanced age.

He will be as described by the Prophet Isaiah (Isaiah 11:2-4): "full of wisdom and understanding, counsel and might, knowledge and the fear of G-d . . . he will smite the tyrant with the rod of his mouth, and slay the wicked with the breath of his lips . . ." (Maimonides explains this last as merely a parable, and not to be taken literally.)

Still, the Messiah will primarily be a prince of peace. As it says (Isaiah 52:7) "How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of the messenger who announces peace."

The Messiah will bring an end to all suffering and war. He will rescue the Children of Israel from exile. He will teach the world how to revere truth, and they will all return to G-d (though not necessarily to Judaism). All forms of warfare will be abolished.

The Torah will be strengthened by the teachings and practices of the Messiah. It will not be weakened nor changed in the slightest.

The Jews will no longer be subjugated nor oppressed by other nations. (In fact, there will be no oppression or subjugation anywhere in the world, by anyone against anyone.) The Jews will be free in the Land of Israel. We will have the Holy Temple once again. We will have the full body of the Law restored by the full Sanhedrin and all lesser courts. And the Messiah will do all this on his first try. Indeed, this is how we will know he is the Messiah.

These are the main prophecies that the Torah tells us concerning the Messiah. The man who causes these to happen will be the Messiah. Since these have not happened, the Messiah, the one foretold by the Torah, has not yet come.

It will be through these signs that he will be recognized. It will not be through miracles, nor through resurrection of the dead, nor through any new creation. It will be through the total rescue we will undergo (as described in brief above) that we will know the Messiah. And in truth, we await the Redemption more than we await the Messiah. The Messiah will be G-d's messenger and vehicle for that Redemption.

And that is a very important point. We await our rescue from exile and an end to all human suffering in this world. The Messiah's purpose is not to make it possible for us to go to Heaven. The Torah teaches us how to do that already.

The man the Christians worship may have been a good person, and he may have taught many good things. (Although I hasten to point out that there are many teachings in the Christian Bible that are completely unacceptable to Orthodox Jews, and incompatible to the teachings of the Torah.) But he was not the Messiah for whom we await and have long awaited. He may have been crucified, and that's a horrible thing. But that merely proves to us that he was not the Messiah.

He was not the son of G-d any more than we all are; precisely no more or less. The very thought is repugnant to a Jewish person. G-d having a son in that manner? We shudder at the suggestion.

Nor do we believe he was resurrected. But even if he was, that would not make him the Messiah.

All this that is claimed about Jesus is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with the Messiah. There will indeed be a resurrection, but not at the time of the Messiah's coming. That will be later.

The Jewish faith has no place for most of the Christian Messiah beliefs. Nor is there any way to reconcile Jesus with the Jewish concept of the Messiah. The two concepts have very little in common.

We still await the Messiah, and our faith is still strong.
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by MrPresident1: 4:04pm On Dec 05
sonmvayina:


What makes you think the story is true or real?

, It's a very popular question. Why don't Jews believe Jesus was the Messiah? Aren't the proofs convincing?

This is a sensitive issue, and it is hoped that no one will be offended by the candid answer provided here.

We do not believe that it is prophesied that the Messiah will be crucified. We do not believe that the Messiah will be the son of G-d. We do not believe that he will be raised from the dead any more than anyone else. We do not believe that he will appear twice, in what some Christians call a second coming. We do not believe that the Messiah will be our "savior" in the sense that he will redeem us from our sins.

These are all fascinating claims to make concerning anyone, but they are all irrelevant to the Messiah for whom the Jews have awaited these three thousand years. None of these things are prophesied in the Jewish Bible.

What then is this Messiah for whom we wait? The Messiah will be a mortal man, born of a normal man and woman.He will be a man very learned in all sections of the Torah, and he will be a very righteous man. He will be of the undisputed scion of David through his father. He will become uncontested ruler in the Land of Israel over all the People of Israel, that is, all Twelve Tribes of Israel. He will have at least one son, who will be king after the Messiah dies a normal death at an advanced age.

He will be as described by the Prophet Isaiah (Isaiah 11:2-4): "full of wisdom and understanding, counsel and might, knowledge and the fear of G-d . . . he will smite the tyrant with the rod of his mouth, and slay the wicked with the breath of his lips . . ." (Maimonides explains this last as merely a parable, and not to be taken literally.)

Still, the Messiah will primarily be a prince of peace. As it says (Isaiah 52:7) "How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of the messenger who announces peace."

The Messiah will bring an end to all suffering and war. He will rescue the Children of Israel from exile. He will teach the world how to revere truth, and they will all return to G-d (though not necessarily to Judaism). All forms of warfare will be abolished.

The Torah will be strengthened by the teachings and practices of the Messiah. It will not be weakened nor changed in the slightest.

The Jews will no longer be subjugated nor oppressed by other nations. (In fact, there will be no oppression or subjugation anywhere in the world, by anyone against anyone.) The Jews will be free in the Land of Israel. We will have the Holy Temple once again. We will have the full body of the Law restored by the full Sanhedrin and all lesser courts. And the Messiah will do all this on his first try. Indeed, this is how we will know he is the Messiah.

These are the main prophecies that the Torah tells us concerning the Messiah. The man who causes these to happen will be the Messiah. Since these have not happened, the Messiah, the one foretold by the Torah, has not yet come.

It will be through these signs that he will be recognized. It will not be through miracles, nor through resurrection of the dead, nor through any new creation. It will be through the total rescue we will undergo (as described in brief above) that we will know the Messiah. And in truth, we await the Redemption more than we await the Messiah. The Messiah will be G-d's messenger and vehicle for that Redemption.

And that is a very important point. We await our rescue from exile and an end to all human suffering in this world. The Messiah's purpose is not to make it possible for us to go to Heaven. The Torah teaches us how to do that already.

The man the Christians worship may have been a good person, and he may have taught many good things. (Although I hasten to point out that there are many teachings in the Christian Bible that are completely unacceptable to Orthodox Jews, and incompatible to the teachings of the Torah.) But he was not the Messiah for whom we await and have long awaited. He may have been crucified, and that's a horrible thing. But that merely proves to us that he was not the Messiah.

He was not the son of G-d any more than we all are; precisely no more or less. The very thought is repugnant to a Jewish person. G-d having a son in that manner? We shudder at the suggestion.

Nor do we believe he was resurrected. But even if he was, that would not make him the Messiah.

All this that is claimed about Jesus is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with the Messiah. There will indeed be a resurrection, but not at the time of the Messiah's coming. That will be later.

The Jewish faith has no place for most of the Christian Messiah beliefs. Nor is there any way to reconcile Jesus with the Jewish concept of the Messiah. The two concepts have very little in common.

We still await the Messiah, and our faith is still strong.

2 Timothy 3:7
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

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Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by MrPresident1: 11:34am On Dec 06
Reconcile with your creator while there is still time
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by MrPresident1: 7:00pm On Dec 06
I have explained Mathew 24 in one of my threads, Maybe I would attempt to explain the whole chapter again, or just the parts that has prophecies about the coming of Christ.
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by MrPresident1: 7:02pm On Dec 06
15days to the end of this generation (of the sun). Remember, the whole Bible is written about the Son of God, who is the Sun of the world, and who is the son of man.

15 days to go

Matthew 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by MrPresident1: 11:04am On Dec 07
14 days to go
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by MrPresident1: 3:42pm On Dec 07
Yesterday, I said I would make an explanation on Mathew 24.
I think I will do so now.
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by MrPresident1: 3:52pm On Dec 07
Mathew 24:1-5
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?


Mathew 24 opens with Jesus departing from the temple. The buildings and the stones of the temple are people, the people of Jerusalem

Lamentations 4:1-2
1 How is the gold become dim! how is the most fine gold changed! the stones of the sanctuary are poured out in the top of every street.
2 The precious sons of Zion, comparable to fine gold, how are they esteemed as earthen pitchers, the work of the hands of the potter!


So the disciples, who are themselves part of the stones of the temple came to ask Jesus about the sign of his coming, and the end of the world.
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by MrPresident1: 4:27pm On Dec 07
Mathew 24:4-14
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

As I start the breakdown, please note that what Jesus is describing here is not the beginning of the tribulations, but the thick and ending part of the tribulations. Jesus is describing what will happen in the very action of the tribulation. The point is that Mathew 24 is not laid out in a chronological sequence, rather it is laid out is a systematic sequence.

Vs 5
Many have come, and many continue to come in his name. All kinds of charismatic people have come, though many did not expressly claim in their worlds to be Christ, they did so in their deeds. Even so, many others openly declared themselves as Jesus. I remember Jesu Oyingbo. And they deceived many too.

Vs 6
Wars and rumours of war, WW1, WW2, Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2, Biafran War, Vietnam War etc. If the Prince of Peace were to be around, there would be no war. This war and rumours of war was part of the tribulation

Vs 7 and 8
Nations against nations, kingdoms against kingdoms, famines, earthquakes and pestilences. All these are just the beginning preambles of sorrows

Vs 9 and 10
Afflictions and killing of Christians for sport in Rome, hatred and betrayals. These are all part of the tribulations

Vs 11-14
False prophets deceiving people, I saw one prophet floating in the air! Today, the love of many has waxed cold due to the multiplication of iniquity. The wicked are not being punished, so they are more emboldened in their evil ways.

Jesus says that whosoever endures these endless torment and tribulation is the one that will be saved. He concludes that the gospel will be preached to the world, as a witness, and then the end will come.

Do not be deceived, the gospel has already gone round the world.
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by MrPresident1: 5:54pm On Dec 07
Mathew 24:15-20
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:


This is actually where the tribulations start; the abomination which causes desolation.

What is the Abomination that causes Desolation? It is the invasion of Jerusalem by foreign soldiers. The first Abomination of Desolation was when Nebu's soldiers entered Jerusalem. The second one is when the Roman forces entered Jerusalem. Jesus gave this warning to the disciples to take this incident seriously, and that immediately they see the Roman soldiers in Jerusalem, they should just start fleeing. He asked hem to make haste in fleeing.
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by MrPresident1: 1:00am On Dec 08
Tick tock...
Jesus is the sun
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by MrPresident1: 9:21am On Dec 08
Ezekiel 3:17
Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.

Ezekiel 33:7
So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.


My father, the warning I heard from your mouth, I have passed it to them
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by MrPresident1: 11:02pm On Dec 08
Malachi 4:2
But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

Mark 13:26
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.


Jesus is the Sun of righteousness, as you can see, Malachi used 'his' for the sun, he should have used 'it' but he used 'he', this further buttresses the fact that Jesus is the Sun.

Mark says they (you and me) will see the Son of man coming in the clouds with power and great glory. The Son ( who is the Sun) will come in the clouds. Have you ever seen the bright emerge after a heavy storm that had heavy clouds?

The Sun of God is the Son of GOD and he is the son of man.

In less than 1hr it will be 12 days to go
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by sonmvayina(m): 11:19pm On Dec 08
Actually, the Romans thought falsely that the God of the old testament, I. E the God the jews worshipped was the devil that was why they created jesus as the messiah and saviour of man.. Little did they know they where fulfilling a prophesy by placing their new testament at the end of the Jewish Tanakh... To insult the most high. Daniel 7 :25..
There created messiah has got nothing to do with the messiah God promised the jews who was coming ONCE to usher in an era of world peace..

Those waiting for the second coming of jesus will definitely be waiting in vain, cos there was no jesus to begin with..
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by MrPresident1: 7:39am On Dec 09
sonmvayina:
Actually, the Romans thought falsely that the God of the old testament, I. E the God the jews worshipped was the devil that was why they created jesus as the messiah and saviour of man.. Little did they know they where fulfilling a prophesy by placing their new testament at the end of the Jewish Tanakh... To insult the most high. Daniel 7 :25..
There created messiah has got nothing to do with the messiah God promised the jews who was coming ONCE to usher in an era of world peace..

Those waiting for the second coming of jesus will definitely be waiting in vain, cos there was no jesus to begin with..

All parts of the Bible are true, you are just confused, and unwilling to back down from your high horse.

Old and New testament, both are the Word of God
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by MrPresident1: 9:37am On Dec 09
Within the next 12 days Jesus Christ will come
Re: The Great 20-day Watch For The Coming Of Christ. Christ comes within next 5 days by sonmvayina(m): 9:38am On Dec 09
MrPresident1:


All parts of the Bible are through, you are just confused, and unwilling to back down from your high horse.

Old and New testament, both are the Word of God

Abomination.. The new testament is man's foolishness and ignorance of what God is and stand for....

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