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A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by jesusjnr(m): 11:05am On Jan 12
This is the final installment of my righteousness/wickedness inequality series, and I believe it's a fitting way to draw it to a closure.

Now I had said in a previous installment that a righteous christian had something extra that gives him/her an edge over a righteous atheist/pagan which is the God factor.

But despite the God factor giving the righteous Christian the edge over the righteous atheist/pagan, even that something extra, it is not yet the best or highest level, because there's a level that is better and greater than having something extra, and that's the level of having everything, which is the level of a Jesus' disciple.

For this measurement is on the basis of what is being giving to God, as that determines what God gives back in return, for Jesus said:

"...with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you..." Mark 4:24

So that how while a christian has something extra, the Jesus' disciple has everything, because what they have is a measure of what they had given to God, for that's the same measure that God had used to give back to them.

For while a righteous christian has left somethings for God's, a Jesus' disciple has left everything.

Hence in the life of a righteous christian is it to some extent about God, as his/her life is still about him/her to some extent, but in that of a Jesus' disciple it is all about God, as his/her life is not about is not about him/her to any degree.

And so while a righteous christian is yet an adult who has not humbled himself/herself as a little child and so is not able to enter into the kingdom of God, a disciple of Jesus is an adult who has humbled himself/herself as a little child and hence is able to enter into the kingdom of God.

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Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by jesusjnr(m): 11:09am On Jan 12
Another way to distinguish true Jesus' disciples from righteous christians is via hard sayings or the Words of the Spirit, for while that is the last bus stop of a righteous christian, as it's what makes them turn their back at Jesus, for true Jesus disciples, it is the not their last bus stop, but what keeps them in the bus with the Master, as they are products of such hard sayings, which is the which is the Word of the Spirit which gives eternal life, so they cannot leave it because it is indispensable and integral to who they are.

Therefore despite being righteous and believers in Jesus, the righteous Christians are not true disciples of Jesus, and this is an instance that very well depicts the difference between the righteous Christians from the true Jesus' disciples:

John 6:60-69

Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?...
From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

For those disciples of Jesus that were said to have turned their backs at Jesus didn't necessarily do so because they were wicked, for they were more or less righteous, but the hard sayings of Jesus, even the Words of the Spirit proved a mountain too high for them to surmount, hence they stopped walking with Him from then henceforth, because they were not true disciples of Jesus, even though they believed in Him.

But it was the true Jesus' disciples that yet remained with Him because of such hard sayings, because to them it was their meat, drink and their everything, so they could not be able to do without it.

And this was another instance that depicts that which distinguishes the righteous Christians from the true Jesus' disciples:

Matthew 19:17-22

And he said unto him,...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.


For as the rich young man they are able to easily scale through the first test of righteousness and hence that is what would save them.

But then when it comes to the second test of perfection, to enable them become as God the Father who is perfect in His ways(Mt 5:48), and also the Master Jesus is who is perfect(Lk 6:40), which is the essence of such Hard saying, even the Words of the Spirit, their heads suddenly drops, and they leave Jesus, as they are not willing to go to that far with Him.

Therefore despite that they are saved they are not able to enter into the kingdom of God.

But the same test of perfection that Jesus posed to the rich young man which made him to be sorrowful and hence leave Jesus, even as the righteous Christians usually do, is that which the true disciples of Jesus have already passed that makes them to remain with Jesus, as was also shown in that same instance:

Matthew 19:27-29

Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.


Therefore the true Jesus' disciples had passed the same test of perfection that both the rich young man and many righteous christians fail, which is the hard saying that requires for them to forsake their all for the sake of the kingdom of God, hence God was going to use the same measure they used for Him and give them everything.

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Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by jesusjnr(m): 11:11am On Jan 12
I was born into a Christian home and I guess that's what made me to automatically be a Christian, despite never making any personal decision to that extent.

And so by being a Christian by virtue of birth, that implied being taken by my parents to church services, being a part of family devotions, and later on having to engage in other church activities and also becoming a part of the choir and one of the lead soloists in my church.

But at the same time I was living a life of wickedness and sin, stealing, cheating, and trying to fornicate with the opposite sex both inside the church-even amongst my fellow choir members-and outside, etc.

So despite that I was a christian by birth, what did that make me but a wicked and sinful Christian, as it was my lifestyle and normal to engage in such activities, not until the day I repented when I immediately noticed that a lot of such things I was comfortable doing then, that i didn't feel comfortable doing them anymore. Such as stealing, cheating, fornicating etc. as it was very obvious that something had changed in my life.

And although there was the occasionally exemption, it was obvious that it was no longer a life style of sin and wickedness that I lived, therefore that signified my change from being a wicked christian to a righteous christian, and it was by personal decision that I came to that point.

So at that stage it was now obvious that I now had something more that when I was a wicked christian, which I had nothing and if I had lost my life at that stage, despite that I was a very active member in my church, and a soloist, I would have taken a direct flight to hell fire. But now I had something because I was saved, hence that was something which I could count on.

And it was at that stage of being a righteous christian, where i had something extra, that the greatest thing that ever happened to me took place, which was when God told me "it was all about Him", as those five words proved the most influential and strategic Words that I had ever heard.

For despite that I was already a righteous christian at the time, and a follower of Jesus, in truth my life was not yet all about God, but it was also about me to some extent, and this made me to have some concerns and worries at the time that led me to a life of depression.

But the moment I got the knowledge that came from those Words which was a hard saying, and the Word of the Spirit, despite that everything else was still the same even the problems I faced, the consequent worries and concerns which cause the depression immediately vanished, as my life was no longer about me to any extent but it was now all about God.

And that hard saying of God directly to me was what kick started my walk at the highest level of faith, was the most important single knowledge I had ever had, and then He led me to the hard sayings of Jesus, even the Words of the Spirit which was an epitome of that knowledge that He gave to me via those direct words, as that was the fundamental message of the hard sayings of Jesus, even that it was all about God.

So that was how I began as a wicked christian by birth to christian parents, and then by my personal decision repented from my wicked ways to become a righteous christian. And by virtue of the knowledge I received via that saying of God upgraded to become the true disciple of Jesus that I am today.

And hence from having nothing, to having something or something extra, I now have everything.
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by traffwire: 11:44am On Jan 12
Can one be a True disciple of Jesus without righteousness?

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Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by orisa37: 12:35pm On Jan 12
No. No. No. No.
You don't know what Righteousness means.
And since you are not The Pope, The ArchBishop of Canterbury or a known Apostle of Jesus Chtist, The Righteous, by your works, please stop misinterpreting and semanticising Bible Words to sooth your whims. It's confusing and can make Atheists madder.
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by jesusjnr(m): 1:31pm On Jan 12
traffwire:
Can one be a True disciple of Jesus without righteousness?
Righteousness is a necessary first step before anyone can qualify to take the next step to become a true disciple of Jesus.
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by jesusjnr(m): 10:12am On Jan 13
Repeat
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by jesusjnr(m): 7:40am On Jan 14
A true Jesus' disciple has everything

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Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by jesusjnr(m): 12:20pm On Jan 15
Give everything to receive everything.
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by jesusjnr(m): 1:00pm On Jan 16
What you give, ye shall receive

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Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by jesusjnr(m): 8:11am On Jan 17
To be a true disciple of Jesus no be beans, if you think say an beans come try am
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by jesusjnr(m): 5:24pm On Jan 18
The true disciples are coming back to their rightful place
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by jesusjnr(m): 1:04pm On Jan 19
Yes there's something better than being a christian.
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by Godsfavour78: 2:11pm On Jan 19
orisa37:
No. No. No. No.
You don't know what Righteousness means.
And since you are not The Pope, The ArchBishop of Canterbury or a known Apostle of Jesus Chtist, The Righteous, by your works, please stop misinterpreting and semanticising Bible Words to sooth your whims. It's confusing and can make Atheists madder.
the pope is a human being.

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Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by jesusjnr(m): 7:59am On Jan 20
No be beans oh!
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by jesusjnr(m): 8:49am On Jan 21
Very few true disciples oh!
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by jesusjnr(m): 7:46am On Jan 22
This for the true disciples
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by jesusjnr(m): 7:52am On Jan 23
A higher level of faith!
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by jesusjnr(m): 8:16am On Jan 24
An upgrade on Christianity
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by EdifiedHebrew: 10:58am On Jan 24
traffwire:
Can one be a True disciple of Jesus without righteousness?

No

If you don't keep the Laws, Statutes, Commandments & Judgment you can not be Yahawashi Hamasciach disciple whom you called Jesus Christ.

JOHN 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.

31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

JOHN 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

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Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by jesusjnr(m): 11:15am On Jan 24
orisa37:
No. No. No. No.
You don't know what Righteousness means.
And since you are not The Pope, The ArchBishop of Canterbury or a known Apostle of Jesus Chtist, The Righteous, by your works, please stop misinterpreting and semanticising Bible Words to sooth your whims. It's confusing and can make Atheists madder.
Yes i'm definitely not known to you, that I can agree to.
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by orisa37: 1:36pm On Jan 24
jesusjnr:
Yes i'm definitely not known to you, that I can agree to.
.



Your moniker is Jesusjnr. That I know.

I am confirming that a Righteous Christian is fully and 100% an Apostle of Jesus Christ The Righteous.

Righteousness embraces:-

The Light,

The Goodness,

The Life,

The Faith,

The Hope,

The Peace and

The Love, all of Christ in you.

It also assumes The covering and The blessings of,

The Blood of Christ,

The Grace of Christ,

The Holiness of Christ,

The Mercies of God,

The Purities of God,

The Righteousness of God and

The Sovereignty of God.

These all embracing Spirits of God, The Supreme Spirit and The Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth make you an Apostle, a Disciple, a Righteous Person, a BornAgain Christian, The "Orisa" Jesus meaning Christ and a Co-Heir to The Throne of Grace.

I love U as Jesus Christ loves U !!!
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by bloodofthelamb(m): 1:47pm On Jan 24
EdifiedHebrew:


No

If you don't keep the Laws, Statutes, Commandments & Judgment you can not be Yahawashi Hamasciach disciple whom you called Jesus Christ.

JOHN 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.

31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

JOHN 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

Jesus said, "if our eyes causes us to sin we should pluck it out." It is better we enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than to end up in hell with both eyes. Same goes with the hand and leg.

How effective have you been following his sayings?
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by EdifiedHebrew: 1:58pm On Jan 24
bloodofthelamb:


Jesus said, "if our eyes causes us to sin we should pluck it out." It is better we enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than to end up in hell with both eyes. Same goes with the hand and leg.

How effective have you been following his sayings?

I have been keeping His Sabbathdays Holy no buy n no selling, I have been keeping His feasts days ordained in the scriptures, i don't eat unclean foods. I don't shave off my beard n head completely , I keep His laws, statutes, commandments & Judgments.

I don't observe christmass because it is the customs of the pagans.
I don't observe Easter because it is the customs of the pagans.
I don't observe January 1st because it is the customs of the pagans.
I don't observe anything pagan customs anymore.
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by Originakalokalo(m): 2:19pm On Jan 24
EdifiedHebrew:


I have been keeping His Sabbathdays Holy no buy n no selling, I have been keeping His feasts days ordained in the scriptures, i don't eat unclean foods. I don't shave off my beard n head completely , I keep His laws, statutes, commandments & Judgments.

I don't observe christmass because it is the customs of the pagans.
I don't observe Easter because it is the customs of the pagans.
I don't observe January 1st because it is the customs of the pagans.
I don't observe anything pagan customs anymore.

Lol.

SMH.
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by EdifiedHebrew: 3:00pm On Jan 24
Originakalokalo:


Lol.

SMH.

PSALMS 89:51 with which your enemies mock, O LORD, with which they mock the footsteps of your anointed.


PROVERBS 14:6 A scoffer seeks wisdom in vain, but knowledge is easy for a man of understanding.

JOHN 15:0 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by jesusjnr(m): 3:04pm On Jan 24
orisa37:
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Your moniker is Jesusjnr. That I know.

I am confirming that a Righteous Christian is fully and 100% an Apostle of Jesus Christ The Righteous.

Righteousness embraces:-

The Light,

The Goodness,

The Life,

The Faith,

The Hope,

The Peace and

The Love, all of Christ in you.

It also assumes The covering and The blessings of,

The Blood of Christ,

The Grace of Christ,

The Holiness of Christ,

The Mercies of God,

The Purities of God,

The Righteousness of God and

The Sovereignty of God.

These all embracing Spirits of God, The Supreme Spirit and The Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth make you an Apostle, a Disciple, a Righteous Person, a BornAgain Christian, The "Orisa" Jesus meaning Christ and a Co-Heir to The Throne of Grace.

I love U as Jesus Christ loves U !!!
You know my moniker but you don't know me!
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by orisa37: 3:30pm On Jan 24
jesusjnr:
You know my moniker but you don't know me!
.


I shall put jesusjnr in my Will.
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by jesusjnr(m): 4:27pm On Jan 24
orisa37:
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I shall put jesusjnr in my Will.
You know the pope of the catholic church, the archbishop of Canterbury, the known apostles of Jesus etc., but you don't know me.

It don't bother me though because i'm known where it matters.

And if you had known me but I wasn't known where it matters as some of those on your list, then i would have been bothered.
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by orisa37: 5:09pm On Jan 24
Thank God for knowing you and I.
Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by bloodofthelamb(m): 7:50pm On Jan 24
EdifiedHebrew:


I have been keeping His Sabbathdays Holy no buy n no selling, I have been keeping His feasts days ordained in the scriptures, i don't eat unclean foods. I don't shave off my beard n head completely , I keep His laws, statutes, commandments & Judgments.

I don't observe christmass because it is the customs of the pagans.
I don't observe Easter because it is the customs of the pagans.
I don't observe January 1st because it is the customs of the pagans.
I don't observe anything pagan customs anymore.


In other words you don't need His grace. Since, you are obediently keeping his laws without missing anyone.

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Re: A True Jesus' Disciple Is Better Than A Righteous Christian by MuttleyLaff: 9:41pm On Jan 24
bloodofthelamb:
Jesus said, "if our eyes causes us to sin we should pluck it out." It is better we enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than to end up in hell with both eyes. Same goes with the hand and leg.

How effective have you been following his sayings?

EdifiedHebrew:
I have been keeping His Sabbathdays Holy no buy n no selling, I have been keeping His feasts days ordained in the scriptures, i don't eat unclean foods. I don't shave off my beard n head completely , I keep His laws, statutes, commandments & Judgments.

I don't observe christmass because it is the customs of the pagans.
I don't observe Easter because it is the customs of the pagans.
I don't observe January 1st because it is the customs of the pagans.
I don't observe anything pagan customs anymore.
You gave a typical "ruler" reply to the bloodofthelamb "how effective have you been following his sayings" question. Do you see what is missing in your replies? Do you see that what is lacking in the replies, can cost one inheriting eternal life?

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