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Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by 6digitscomrade: 9:54am On Jan 20, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:u av my vote!!! I admire ur wisdom |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by Antichristus: 9:54am On Jan 20, 2019 |
Michellekabod1: Some people, including some Christian denominations (e.g. the Church of England) would consider abortion morally permissible in cases of rape, incest and severe fetal abnormality. In these scenarios, the quality of life supplants sanctity of life. The OP referenced consciousness (" fetus is in a sort of oblivious state of being as it pertains to consciousness".) He is right. In moral philosophy, personhood is lost when an individual cannot think (lacking thoughts) and act upon their thoughts (inability to act, rationally). In other words, they lack consciousness. In such cases, it is morally permissible - in medical settings to terminate their lives (euthanasia). The same principle is applicable to fetuses - they lack personhood - as they cannot think and act upon their actions. |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by juniorstar(m): 10:04am On Jan 20, 2019 |
There hs been several debate on the aforementioned topic...in my own view it shud be legalised at the sametime promoting the prevention of unwanted pregnancy. I av seen young ladies come to me. Girls who are fresh from sec school, close friends, neighnours, undergraduate. Even those who had previously had and unwanted preg ask for advise for and early stage pregnancy i would advise the to terminate < 8 weeks it its a tough decision and the fact that we live in a very religious society those who are skilled in d act often opt out due to religious bias and leave those in need of their skills to quacks who make a total mess of their reproductive organs. Why should a child give birth to a child. |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by Nobody: 10:05am On Jan 20, 2019 |
...Yes na ! frosbel2: |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by exlinkleads(f): 10:05am On Jan 20, 2019 |
frosbel2: "Christian and circular argument" - hate to say it, u r very right. One will soon ague that even if the hangman that carried out the death sentence was mandated by the judge and the law of the land, does it now mean in the eyes of the Lord, its not murder? 1 Like |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by bugggg: 10:08am On Jan 20, 2019 |
Yes it is. |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by johnydon22(m): 10:10am On Jan 20, 2019 |
LordReed: Who made gold valuable? Who made government effective? Who made oaths binding? Who made money a thing of value? Who made constitutions? Who made belief potent? Answer; Intersubjective human belief. Jesus. I have to explain such elementary stuffs. |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by blackblack: 10:11am On Jan 20, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Word. |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by Johnbauer(m): 10:11am On Jan 20, 2019 |
johnydon22:God will continue to bless you and give you more wisdom |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by Ruddyman(m): 10:15am On Jan 20, 2019 |
Yes |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by LordReed(m): 10:16am On Jan 20, 2019 |
johnydon22: At what stage? From what I can find the response seems to start in the third trimester. |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by deebrownneymar: 10:20am On Jan 20, 2019 |
Abortion is murder. Fact! |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by Godskidk(m): 10:21am On Jan 20, 2019 |
XxSabrinaxX:Nice points you have ma'am, but let's re-evaluate them. 1. Stillbirth: Abortion is the "cessation of the development of a fetus" A dead fetus cannot be aborted, it can only be removed through induced labour. Note, you don't abort a dead fetus... It has to be alive for it to be aborted. 2. Non-viable: Even if the chance of living is 10%, it is still wrong to abort. Just like choosing terminate the life of a patient who is in ICU and has 10% survival chance. However, if the pregnancy could somehow be of harm to the expecting mother, and the doctors have determined that there is no chance for survival, morally, it's not wrong... Though it's tantamount to murder 3. Rape/Incest:[/b]This is a no-no. If you're raped, you should go to a hospital immediately for proper treatment. If however after, you get pregnant, that is not an excuse to end the .life of the fetus... Remember, it is not the fetus' fault that you got raped... Secondly, no court of law would grant joint custody to a rapist or abuser... As for incest, it is only selfish that you enjoyed a timeout with a family member and refuse to bear the consequences... If you're Raped, sue the rapist and submit yourself to the hospital as soon as possible... [b]4. Serious Health Risks/Complications: Yes, it's not a crime to save one's life, but it is however wrong to take a life you did not give. There are various forms of birth control, both temporary and permanent that does not involve abortion, when one knows that she is not able to carry pregnancy to the full term for health reasons, why not go for birth controls rather than waiting to terminate the fetus... You however failed to the reason which accounts for about 80% of Abortions... "Unwanted or Unplanned-for" pregnancy... Most young girls today take as "The way to go" in order to continue in their depraved lifestyles... That too is murder |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by LordReed(m): 10:22am On Jan 20, 2019 |
johnydon22: You used a word that has religious connotations hence the question, you are not explaining elementary anything merely clarifying your use of the word sacred. sacred /ˈseɪkrɪd/ adjective connected with God or a god or dedicated to a religious purpose and so deserving veneration. "sacred rites" synonyms: holy, hallowed, blessed, blest, consecrated, sanctified, dedicated, venerated, revered "only the priest was allowed to approach this most sacred place" religious rather than secular. "sacred music" synonyms: religious, spiritual, devotional, church, churchly, ecclesiastical "sacred music" (of writing or text) embodying the laws or doctrines of a religion. "a sacred Hindu text" There's nothing SACRED about human life since it has not been shown to be connected to any god or gods. The human life however we agree is valuable to US/to each individual hence our collective regard for its value. 1 Like |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by Godskidk(m): 10:27am On Jan 20, 2019 |
An abortion is done intentionally to cause the death of an unborn child. It is not an accident or the result of a natural reaction of the human body. From the time of conception, a child is not just another part of the mother’s body. The child is a separate person. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by belcom10(m): 10:30am On Jan 20, 2019 |
yes o , abortion and murder are same . take someone life. Anyone into it should desist and ask God for mercy. |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by NinjaMetahuman: 10:31am On Jan 20, 2019 |
johnydon22:i get you are tryin to be pro life but this post if filled with mis-information. Foetus under 15-20weeks Doesnt feel pain. You cant kill what doesnt have life yet. Just like its not murder to stab corpse. |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by bobonkiti101(m): 10:31am On Jan 20, 2019 |
I'm of the opinion that the answer to this question depends on when a fertilised human egg is deemed a human being. Why? cause the thin line between the great divide on this issue is centered on whether a foetus is human enough to be murdered. While a human foetus is a living thing I do not consider it a human being capable of being murdered especially at the EARLY stages of the pregnancy. My reasoning simply based on this the fact that at that stage it has not acquired the basic substance that make us human and the sense of perception.. I will leave us with this analogy. When you eat a boild or fried egg do you considered yourself to have eaten a full chicken or chicken at all. Their composition is different in every respect. However without prejudice to my views, we must understand that the law has no emotions, religion or inclinations but is purely founded on sound reasoning and logic. Therefore murder is what the law say is murder . if abortion is mu rder where you are, then it is murder simple. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by Ifedith(m): 10:34am On Jan 20, 2019 |
Actually i don't care if it's murder or not. As a matter of fact, it can be argued it's murder and from another angle it can be argued its not(most civilized countries legalized abortion) More like the 9 and 6 scenario. Personally, Any foetus i don't want will be flushed, Inshort abortion is coined from the term abort, meaning to bring to a premature because of a problem or fault. Polar bear do self abortion if the situation isn't gonna be favorable for the growing foetus due to lack of food or whatever. I don't consider that murder. It's just the smart thing to do. But hey, that's just me. Do ur own o. |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by D1zion: 10:42am On Jan 20, 2019 |
Yes is same cos the two involves lives,even though one is already a formed being while the other one is a foetus not yet brought into the world,but they all have breath as at the time of the abortion. |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by nemynely(m): 10:46am On Jan 20, 2019 |
Yes!yes!yes!yes! and yes! Abortion and murder are one and the same. Did you know that the heart of the fetus starts functioning at day 21? That is at 3weeks old? Do you also know that the fetus you plan to flush, are presently flushing, just flushed already is a living soul, enveloped in a body and carries the spirit of God? I thought as much. Guess you didn't know. Previous contributions have highlighted other reasons and I am not up for repetitions. |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by tonyimadu: 10:55am On Jan 20, 2019 |
Well abortion and murder are 2 diffrent things. Even in countries that outlaw abortion, it does not bear the same weight as murder. Again it's not always wrong or selfish to perform an abortion. You could save a child and family a lot of pain by aborting an unhealthy baby |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by bilulu(m): 10:57am On Jan 20, 2019 |
XxSabrinaxX:1. Stillbirth: You can't term that abortion because the life is already dead so that can't be a sin.... All the reasons you gave up there are genuine reasons but how many people do have abortion for those reasons especially in this our Nigeria? The reason most young ladies go into abortion is simply because they are not ready yet and that is a sin |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by ademijuwonlo(f): 11:05am On Jan 20, 2019 |
Got this bookmark on abortion from my Friend's church (UBC) in Lautech during an antiabortion program 12 years ago and I kept it in my bible ever since as a reminder that God knows, loves and values human life even from the womb....killing innocent human beings simply because they are in the way and cannot defend themselves is wrong since a zygote is the beginning of a new human being. And killing it amounts to MURDER irrespective of the stage of development/environment. It's better to give out a baby for adoption or be a baby mama than add murder to the résumé. #Jeremiah1vs5 #Saynotoabortion.
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Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by criuze(m): 11:10am On Jan 20, 2019 |
Is the feutus living and conscious If yes is the answer then probably you've ended a human life Murder, manslaughter, execution, suicide etc are names given for various circumstances where by life was ended by a fellow. Then only God will judge, As for me true repentance can help the mind cope with the burden laden concience |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by Nobody: 11:14am On Jan 20, 2019 |
Antichristus:This is equivalent to saying someone in comatose can be killed |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by hardeytarhyour(m): 11:15am On Jan 20, 2019 |
Yes, It is the same Thing |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by Nobody: 11:19am On Jan 20, 2019 |
greenhulk:Firstly,it is very possible to give birth to a HIV negative baby if you are HIV positive. Secondly, immediately after rape pregnancy could be prevented using emergency contraceptive |
Re: Is Abortion the same thing as Murder ? by Bukasint: 11:24am On Jan 20, 2019 |
Abortions is of various types starting from, Threatened abortion, inevitable abortion missed abortion, complete abortion, incomplete abortion, induced abortion and septic abortion. So don't be too religious than the romans and die in vain dye to share ignorance. Well the truth is when we talk about abortion people see it as one evil thing. But when you talk of miscarriage they will pity the woman in question. The truth is abortion and miscarriage is the same thing only that miscarriage has is not a derogatory word. Now if a woman gets to the hospital and she is 12weeks pregnant and complains of bleeding per vaginum with some fleshy material. What do you think we will do? Send her to Ultrasound scan and check if the fetus inside her womb is still alive and if not. The next thing is to do complete abortion either by passing misoprostol or using Manual vacuum aspiration to remove the remaining fetus and if I come out and tell you I just did abortion what will you see me as? A killer and a wicked person without giving you the real information on what happened and why I did the abortion. And if I don't complete the abortion the woman will end up having Septic abortion due to infections and losing her womb or life the case may be. When asking abortion is it murder is like asking a female Muslim country and gave Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation to a male who had cardiac arrest. |
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