Seun:
People made up these stories and, like all man-made stories, they have plot holes.

Chief atheist. May God heal your unbelief and this ideogy you keep broadcasting. May God find you or rather may you find God

MJBOLT:

The word 'Omniscient' simply means the ability to know everything.if god is all knowing,why did he create lucifer knowing fully well that he will rebel against his master and try to take heaven for himself,which will result in lucifer getting cast unto the earth unleashing unimaginable pain and suffering.






Cc XxSabrinaxX,CAPSLOCKED,frosbel2,seun

He knew lucifer. Yes. But went ahead yes, cause I spite of obstacles everything works to His will. In the end lucifer gets used to push the agenda of helping man overcome weakness, gets weakness exposed, make corrections and improvement. So yes He's all knowing. The avoidance of pain and suffering isn't what makes God who He is. Rather the ability to live and push a phase into the grander plan till full maturation of purpose if achieved is WHO elohim is. Its about purpose not convenience



Cc vaxx

Heathen777:
People say God made man have free will, but if you think about it. Free will shouldn't hamper with Omniscience, either way having freewill or not is irrelevant.

God knew Adam and Eve would sin, he knew Satan would rebel. If he didn't know, he isn't Omniscient..It's that simple.

If he knew evil would arise because of this and didn't nothing to change it, then that states a flaw in the narrative of his Benevolence.


So at the end of the day we're left with accepting either God isn't truly Benevolent or God isn't truly Omniscient.

Man would recover from the fall and yes with the ability to live without binding rules exercising full willpower to exert, move, act, and apply himself. God not limited to moments. It's about the grand picture. If you must deal with divinity you must see beyond near boundaries.

XxSabrinaxX:

@Bolded
No christian will ever give you a "straight-forward" answer to that question. Trust me, I've tried.
https://www.nairaland.com/4934371/hell-truly-exists-then-god

Well i just did. Please bring more confusion to get untangled.

frosbel2:
I would like to think that God is omniscient but recent happenings have put a pause on that for now.

Too many experiences in my PAST pathetic Pentecostal life that make me wonder and still wondering.

Bring your questions please

Seun:
You should most definitely not love your neighbour as yourself. Jesus was wrong. Here is a better idea:
Love yourself most.
Followed by your children and your spouse.
Then other family members and close friends.
Then all other people you know.
Then all other people who are alive.
And finally, animals that are not pests.

This kidd needs growing up. Lmao. I'm done here abeg. No wonder they say money isn't wisdom.

XxSabrinaxX:

@Bolded
No christian will ever give you a "straight-forward" answer to that question. Trust me, I've tried.
https://www.nairaland.com/4934371/hell-truly-exists-then-god

most christians cant. Infct,ive seen no satisfactory answer to it.
If God is all knwng but went ahead to create satan knwing satan would sin and then created hell then created man knwng man,He created WOULD GO TO hell, then He God, appears to all apparent intent barbaric. I'm a christian,i think about this but cant answer it. I dont think any christian can, but i rest in the assurance that God is pro-us. For us rather than against. Is God omniscient? Yeah. Many bible verses depict God foretelling the future-and that future coming to pass EXACTLY as He foretold it! If God can foretell the future-it's finished. I mean such a being is simply undeceivable. On the other hand, if God DIDNT know EVERYTHING, they are huge huge implications. He could essentially b unseated,outsmarted,dethroned! It would also mean that knowledge is an entity/object outside of God , that has to b acquired by other beings including God. So God would have to study and learn to build understanding! What if there's a piece of knowledge God hasnt gotten to yet but some1 else gets to? Man, the devil? The question then arises? Who created this object called knowledge? Or had knowledge always been there? When? When there was nothing?
The gross implication to this is simple. If God doesnt know all good things and His knowledge isnt COMPLETE then, knowledge exists outside of God, and God is VULNERABLE. Vulnerable to the cost of His own ignorance and all the attendant consequences. If this is so,the only thing stopping anoda being from being God is simply the RATE at which that being acquires knowledge. So speed is the issue. If this isnt the case,that knowledge exists independently,then the only conclusion is that GOD is the SOURCE OF ALL knowledge-good.
If so,then evil is either from God so God has all evil nd good knowledge and the source is from Him (cancer,porn,pedophilia,ritual killing,419 etc) or evil knowledge is a perversion.
If the second case holds,that is that God is the source of all knowledge then saying He is OMNISCIENT is actually an understatemnt! He is the SOURCE. So let's say,God forbid,that God died,then all advancemnt in science,tech indeed all positive human endeavours would simply cease! Why? Because the SOURCE is no more!

kunleweb:



Well i just did. Please bring more confusion to get untangled.

Congratulations. You've been noticed on a 3-4 month thread.

PS: I've heard better answers than this but i'm currently too lazy to indulge anyone in an endless back and forth.....

sherylbakky:

Nope,i dont think it's wack. Even if I wudnt support d fact dat Jesus was wrong,i dont still think Seun is wrong.Explaination:

Seun's arrangement sud b d normal tin individuals sud always follow,u sud b gud to d member of ur household b4 considerin outsiders, dat's 1 of d reasons we ar laggin behind in dis country.Our govt will leave our engineers here n giv contracts dat worth millions 2 d whites, orgz will neglect our own graduates n prefer employin others dat schd abroad.Now tell me, which other country does that?It starts 4rm home bro,u love ursef,ur close relative,frnds,ppl in ur environment, others in d country,b4 stretchin it.

As for Jesus words(not a christian tho),but I tink he meant love ur neighbor as urself (ursef,ur close relatives b4 outsiders)remember, it is only wen u ar well fed that u can lov n share.He didnt mean love ur neighbor "more than"ursef.He was only tryin 2 b fair in his teachins

Jesus meant Love your neighbour to the same degree that you love yourself . Do you like wearing nice cloths, do same to your neighbour.
Do you like driving latest model cars, do same to your neighbour?
Do you like some1 sending you recharge card do same to your neighbour etc.
Somewhere else it says do to others as you'd like them to do to you.
But ofcourse this doesnt mean denying your responsibilities. Not neglecting your family etc. One needs wisdom in these areas. But the principle remains the same

frank317:


U are not even making any sense...so u are saying God cannot see into our future because he chooses not to.

What kind of mind game is he really playing with himself?

Yet, he'd rather get angry at outcomes of events and build hell to punish offenders. Instead of lookin into the future and fine tuning it into a more desirable world.

So the moment he put the tree of good and evil in the garden, he turned off his ability to see mans fuckup. He instantly didn't know man will fall, so he excitedly waited for the outcome. Pervert!

He must be playing naija(hevean)bet with the Angels to see if man will fall or not.

So u know God can switch of he omniscient button at will... Tell me more, which part of the body is this bottom located, it's just a mind thing for God?

how would God do that to a justifiable degree without turning man into a robot? Let's say you want to overeat because u hav money. Should he make you throw up all that junk food or make your taste buds dead until u eat only healthy foods that He would really like for you to eat? How far should He go to b legit? What if inspite of you knowing all the health implications of eating junk YOU still want to eat junk. You enjoy eating Junk, what would you want Him to do? Violate your will? Then,you'll turn around and call Him a Tyrant! You'll take Him to court and request a restraining order against Him (if it were possible). The highest regard a person could give you is to allow you full and free right to exercise your will as fully as you wish- only judging you afterwards. Judging a person for respecting your will is twisted.

MJBOLT:

The word 'Omniscient' simply means the ability to know everything.if god is all knowing,why did he create lucifer knowing fully well that he will rebel against his master and try to take heaven for himself,which will result in lucifer getting cast unto the earth unleashing unimaginable pain and suffering.






Cc XxSabrinaxX,CAPSLOCKED,frosbel2,seun

e borrow a word from Klaus mikaelson in the originals






" God is not Powerful bkos he is right he is right bkoz he is Powerful"




.....



the moment we understand dx the better for us. go Tru the bible u will see alot of misdeeds done by God but we are meant to remain silent over it and not question him. they're alot of errors in dx life and u complicate it the more wen u wanna see more abt the exitanx of God. jux Liv ur life the way u see it worth livin fr u, wen ur death cm embrace it n move on

CEOwatazs:



e borrow a word from Klaus mikaelson in the originals






" God is not Powerful bkos he is right he is right bkoz he is Powerful"




.....



the moment we understand dx the better for us. go Tru the bible u will see alot of misdeeds done by God but we are meant to remain silent over it and not question him. they're alot of errors in dx life and u complicate it the more wen u wanna see more abt the exitanx of God. jux Liv ur life the way u see it worth livin fr u, wen ur death cm embrace it n move on

The priests and the Levites that walk on by the robbery victim may continue to "live their lives the way they see it worth living" - to quote thy words as well as I can. Even the imperfect laws of thy secular statutes condemns them as being guilty, with its decrees against aiding and abetting.

The widow crying "Avenge me of my adversary," however - and very obviously - does NOT have what it takes to live her own life the way she sees it worth living. If she did, would she cry out to any? Try to use just an itty witty little bit of the brain cells you were given.

In an imperfect world, working towards perfection, there have to be laws - and this is where the stupidity of the Christianity of thy damned and accursed generation has gotten it wrong. Ilu ti o l'ofin, ko l'eshe. And if thy laws are based on might, and not right - if all Life (including even that of Man) is no more than survival of the fittest - what difference then is there between thee and the animals thou claims thou art higher than?

If there ever has been a righteous God (as I become more and more certain each and every passing day that there is) He is powerful because He is right, and definitely not the other way round. For if He - yes, even He - decides to go wrong, and deny the Laws laid down by Him; Life will become in all its entirety survival of the fittest, and Time and Chance - which then will no longer be under Him - will happen even to Him.

It is only common sense, and the absence of it is that which has turned the Christianity of this damned and most accursed of all generations into The Clown. "Fear GOD, and keep His commandments" - but all you lean on is on the blood of a man that declared his generation guilty of all the righteous blood shed from the foundation of the world till then, because of his own blood that was shed then.

Fear GOD, and keep His commandments - and if His commandments include "To do justice and judgment is more acceptable than sacrifice," where then is the common sense that has thee believe the sacrifice of the blood shed of Jesus is all that is required for thy salvation, if not in The Imbecility of thy deluded Christianity? Fear GOD, and keep His commandments - and if His commandments include "I desire mercy, and not sacrifice," where then is the common sense that has thee think the blood of Jesus grants thee the right to any evil, however wicked; if not (I repeat) in The Imbecility of thy deluded Christianity?

I believe you have something between thy ears. Please try to use it. Would thy very own President (or thy Governor, or thy King) lay any law down that will eventually be to his own detriment - even in the imperfection of thy secular authorities - UNLESS, of course, he is mentally deranged enough to be suicidal? Why then do you want to have thy fools and thy imbeciles believe that a God that has had all prophets and righteous men sent by Him to thee ever since the beginning of the world will have them bring along with them any but Laws that can do Him (yes, even Him) no harm? And what have all those Laws ever had to do with having thee believe GOD is right only because He is powerful? What have all those Laws ever had to do with having thee believe He looked upon "everything He had made, and behold, it was very good" - AND made out of Laws based on wickedness and evil?

Nothing - except The Imbecility of The Folly that has me declare thy generation as not only most accursed, but also definitely damned.

If my Words cannot convince thee - if, despite all, thou believes GOD is right merely because He is powerful - then do leave all thy kings and thy rulers all across the world alone, to lay all the most brutally and devastatingly evil laws they would that they lay; all because GOD has placed them in positions of authority. Question them not, for they do have power; and - according to thee - it is their power only, and absolutely nothing else, that grants them positions of power.

It is most unfortunate for this generation. Because it obviously is because there are authorities high enough to have thee deluded into thinking a God that created based on Laws that brought forth good, can have anything to do with injustice; that I continue to cry out unto Him to take "His Place in the divine council." For such authorities are obviously not of men, and - even if not also of Satan and the Devil - will "die like men, and fall like any prince."

Amen.

TheIkoro:


The priests and the Levites that walk on by the robbery victim may continue to "live their lives the way they see it worth living" - to quote thy words as well as I can. Even the imperfect laws of thy secular statutes condemns them as being guilty, with its decrees against aiding and abetting.

The widow crying "Avenge me of my adversary," however - and very obviously - does NOT have what it takes to live her own life the way she sees it worth living. If she did, would she cry out to any? Try to use just an itty witty little bit of the brain cells you were given.

In an imperfect world, working towards perfection, there have to be laws - and this is where the stupidity of the Christianity of thy damned and accursed generation has gotten it wrong. Ilu ti o l'ofin, ko l'eshe. And if thy laws are based on might, and not right - if all Life (including even that of Man) is no more than survival of the fittest - what difference then is there between thee and the animals thou claims thou art higher than?

If there ever has been a righteous God (as I become more and more certain each and every passing day that there is) He is powerful because He is right, and definitely not the other way round. For if He - yes, even He - decides to go wrong, and deny the Laws laid down by Him; Life will become in all its entirety survival of the fittest, and Time and Chance - which then will no longer be under Him - will happen even to Him.

It is only common sense, and the absence of it is that which has turned the Christianity of this damned and most accursed of all generations into The Clown. "Fear GOD, and keep His commandments" - but all you lean on is on the blood of a man that declared his generation guilty of all the righteous blood shed from the foundation of the world till then, because of his own blood that was shed then.

Fear GOD, and keep His commandments - and if His commandments include "To do justice and judgment is more acceptable than sacrifice," where then is the common sense that has thee believe the sacrifice of the blood shed of Jesus is all that is required for thy salvation, if not in The Imbecility of thy deluded Christianity? Fear GOD, and keep His commandments - and if His commandments include "I desire mercy, and not sacrifice," where then is the common sense that has thee think the blood of Jesus grants thee the right to any evil, however wicked; if not (I repeat) in The Imbecility of thy deluded Christianity?

I believe you have something between thy ears. Please try to use it. Would thy very own President (or thy Governor, or thy King) lay any law down that will eventually be to his own detriment - even in the imperfection of thy secular authorities - UNLESS, of course, he is mentally deranged enough to be suicidal? Why then do you want to have thy fools and thy imbeciles believe that a God that has had all prophets and righteous men sent by Him to thee ever since the beginning of the world will have them bring along with them any but Laws that can do Him (yes, even Him) no harm? And what have all those Laws ever had to do with having thee believe GOD is right only because He is powerful? What have all those Laws ever had to do with having thee believe He looked upon "everything He had made, and behold, it was very good" - AND made out of Laws based on wickedness and evil?

Nothing - except The Imbecility of The Folly that has me declare thy generation as not only most accursed, but also definitely damned.

If my Words cannot convince thee - if, despite all, thou believes GOD is right merely because He is powerful - then do leave all thy kings and thy rulers all across the world alone, to lay all the most brutally and devastatingly evil laws they would that they lay; all because GOD has placed them in positions of authority. Question them not, for they do have power; and - according to thee - it is their power only, and absolutely nothing else, that grants them positions of power.

It is most unfortunate for this generation. Because it obviously is because there are authorities high enough to have thee deluded into thinking a God that created based on Laws that brought forth good, can have anything to do with injustice; that I continue to cry out unto Him to take "His Place in the divine council." For such authorities are obviously not of men, and - even if not also of Satan and the Devil - will "die like men, and fall like any prince."

Amen.

To put it even more succinctly, "kabiyesi" - a Yoruba word derived from the words, "There is no questioning thee" - is a word that is risen from unrighteous Yoruba culture. From the much more righteous English culture came the word, "Lord" (which I have always believed is derived from "Lawed" - for that is that which GOD becomes when He comes down to earth.......made in absolutely every way unable to err) and the word, "God;" any with a semblance of wisdom will have thee know is obviously derived from the word, "good" - and that is that which GOD is in Heaven. Thus, where GOD is Good, and The LORD CANNOT err; where then is the wisdom that has thee believe His Power is despite Good and Righteousness, even if not as a consequence of the two?

"Kabiyesi" is nought but a reflection of the evil and the wickedness that has always reigned over Yorubaland. Job questioned and asked, and what is the final judgment rendered by The LORD of him?

"And The LORD blessed the latter days of Job more than his beginning" - more than the beginning that had Him declare him "a blameless and upright man, who fears GOD and turns away from evil."

And what is the final judgment rendered by The LORD of the friends that said of Job,

"For you say, 'My doctrine is pure,
and I am clean in GOD's eyes;' "

who asked of him,

"Can a man be profitable to GOD?
Surely he who is wise is profitable
to himself.
Is it any pleasure to The Almighty if you
are righteous,
or is it gain to Him if you make your
ways blameless?"

who declared,

"How then can Man be righteous before
GOD?
How can he who is born of Woman be
clean?"

and who stated with the following words that which thou hast most succinctly stated with the words of thine I referred to earlier,

"Do you think this to be just?
Do you say, 'It is my right before
GOD'
that you ask, 'What advantage have I?
How am I better off than if I had
sinned?'
I will answer you
and your friends with you.
Look at the Heavens, and see;
and behold the clouds, which are higher
than you.
If you have sinned, what do you accom-
plish against Him?
And if your transgressions are multi-
plied, what do you do to Him?
If you are righteous, what do you give to
Him;
or what does He receive from your
hand?
Your wickedness concerns a man like
yourself,
and your righteousness a son of man."

The final judgment rendered by The LORD upon the Eli'hu that with the words of his I have quoted above was indirectly saying not only "we are meant to remain silent.....and not question Him," but also "Just live your life the way you see it worth living for you;" was,

"My wrath is kindled against you and against your two friends; FOR YOU HAVE NOT SPOKEN OF ME WHAT IS RIGHT, as My servant Job has."

And that is the only judgment that awaits the nation wherein is no law, that has thee believe with the words,

"For all have sinned, and come short of The Glory of GOD;"

that,

"How then can Man be righteous before
GOD?
How can he who is born of Woman be
clean?"

FOR YOU HAVE NOT SPOKEN OF ME WHAT IS RIGHT.

CAPSLOCKED:
"Bury me in the ocean with my ancestors who jumped over the ships because they knew DEATH was better than BONDAGE"

MJBOLT THIS IS REAL TALK!

KILLMONGER

Seun:
You should most definitely not love your neighbour as yourself. Jesus was wrong. Here is a better idea:
Love yourself most.
Followed by your children and your spouse.
Then other family members and close friends.
Then all other people you know.
Then all other people who are alive.
And finally, animals that are not pests.

Oga. Jesus Christ is just trying to teach in that passage that we should treat people the way we would want people to treat us. (Referred to as Love). If we love neighbor as we love ourselves we won't be crazy woth corruption today. Have u ever experience in a family where there is love ad equal? Hardly would u see an act of selfishness. Jesus Christ was right.
Another thing I expected and atheist to ask themselves is did u house u lived in build itself? If it was built comfortable for ur use. Why don't we reason that there is someone who created man.
God exists and rule over all. Don't forget that we have Thomas during Jesus Christ journey on earth. So not everyone even if he is sitted before u. May God open our eyes of understanding in Jesus name

MJBOLT:

The word 'Omniscient' simply means the ability to know everything.if god is all knowing,why did he create lucifer knowing fully well that he will rebel against his master and try to take heaven for himself,which will result in lucifer getting cast unto the earth unleashing unimaginable pain and suffering.
Cc XxSabrinaxX,CAPSLOCKED,frosbel2,seun

There is no character called lucifer. He was invented by bad translations of the King James bible, and has been built up over time in the minds of so-called "spiritual" worshippers etc.