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Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by kevoh(m): 8:25pm On Mar 13
showafrica:


One Muslim man answered your question, he said you chose to be created. Though the memory is deleted so that you won't know how you came about. He said humans are angels who wants to prove to God that they are better than been ordinary angel. God now send them down to have freedom in order to prove themselves. My problem is why was the angels created... The root problem is why would the universe start in the first place? Well, you see this case is beyond us, the best thing is to enjoy your life.
Hollup, Hollup, Hollup Bros! Where is the proof that our memory is deleted? At what point did our memory get deleted? How did this so-called muslim come up with such ridiculous information?
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by 1Sharon(f): 8:47pm On Mar 13
highcollide:
The best thing is to not be born. The next best thing is to die immediately you're being born into this prison called life.

Yes my bloda. Andrea Yates was a good Christian.
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by showafrica(m): 9:23pm On Mar 13
kevoh:

Hollup, Hollup, Hollup Bros! Where is the proof that our memory is deleted? At what point did our memory get deleted? How did this so-called muslim come up with such ridiculous information?

Lol, that man is intelligent... The Havard guy asked him the same thing. He said, the teacher gives a text book and during exam, he removes the text book. I will find the video but his name is Dr ziekeh nirk. Just search the video attached.

Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by kevoh(m): 10:17pm On Mar 13
showafrica:


Lol, that man is intelligent... The Havard guy asked him the same thing. He said, the teacher gives a text book and during exam, he removes the text book. I will find the video but his name is Dr ziekeh nirk. Just search the video attached.

An analogy of textbook and exam, a flawed one by the way, is not concrete proof that our memories were deleted. Mind you some professors allow you to write the exam with your textbooks...just saying Get the video transcript of the part where he used the analogy, if you can, and post here let use dissect it.
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by showafrica(m): 10:33pm On Mar 13
kevoh:

An analogy of textbook and exam, a flawed one by the way, is not concrete proof that our memories were deleted. Mind you some professors allow you to write the exam with your textbooks...just saying Get the video transcript of the part where he used the analogy, if you can, and post here let use dissect it.


Bro no time, no one has the prove of how human was created. Even the theory of evolution is still a theory.
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by kevoh(m): 10:47pm On Mar 13
showafrica:


Bro no time, no one has the prove of how human was created. Even the theory of evolution is still a theory.
I think we can then stick to the phrase in bold and call it a day. The Muslim prof, to be polite, is just making a random guess if he can not back it with proof. It's laughable the best defense he has is an analogy of textbook and exam.

showafrica:


Bro no time, no one has the prove of how human was created. Even the theory of evolution is still a theory.

Evolution theory is based on facts that have been confirmed through observation and experiment not through analogies.
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by showafrica(m): 11:04pm On Mar 13
kevoh:

I think we can then stick to the phrase in bold and call it a day. The Muslim prof, to be polite, is just making a random guess if he can not back it with proof. It's laughable the best defense he has is an analogy of textbook and exam.


Evolution theory is based on facts that have been confirmed through observation and experiment not through analogies.

You mean big bang theory was confirmed? ... Science find a way to please itself or convince itself that it knows it all pending when someone comes up with a better fact.


You mean big bang theory was confirmed? ... Science find a way to please itself or convince itself that it knows it all pending when someone comes up with a better fact.
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by BlackManta(m): 11:21pm On Mar 13
showafrica:


You mean big bang theory was confirmed? ... Science find a way to please itself or convince itself that it knows it all pending when someone comes up with a better fact.

Better fact like talking snake and magic apple undecided

Funny how some people always try to fault evolution but cannot prove that the story of magic apple and talking snake actually happened undecided
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by kevoh(m): 11:28pm On Mar 13
showafrica:


You mean big bang theory was confirmed? ...Science find a way to please itself or convince itself that it knows it all pending when someone comes up with a better fact.
Red Herring alert! What next? Cell Theory? Theory of Relativity? Let's just pick a scientific term and slap theory as a prefix or suffix and then convince ourselves or pretend that using a flawed exam and textbook analogy to explain is proof that our memories were deleted and this proposition is in the league of big bang theory and these scientific theories.

showafrica:


You mean big bang theory was confirmed? ... Science find a way to please itself or convince itself that it knows it all pending when someone comes up with a better fact.

Really? Did you just say/type science finds a way of pleasing/convincing itself? Ok, I'm done here.
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by showafrica(m): 11:41pm On Mar 13
kevoh:

Red Herring alert! What next? Cell Theory? Theory of Relativity? Let's just pick a scientific term and slap theory as a prefix or suffix and then convince ourselves or pretend that using a flawed exam and textbook analogy to explain is proof that our memories were deleted and this proposition is in the league of big bang theory and these scientific theories.



Really? Did you just say/type science finds a way of pleasing/convincing itself? Ok, I'm done here.


Yea, it usually end this way someone must 'done' lol. I know what I just said.. Following physics from childhood, a lot of theory has been canceled because, someone came with a better fact. Won't be suprised if the next generation call us foolish for following some useless theories we think it's the right one today.
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by Image123(m): 11:45pm On Mar 13
JUDASiskariot:


To be candid, I get it right. I was once a believer and I once used the excuse of God will do anything that he wants to it's creation. But you know, had it been he created us dumb like the computer you used in your analogy, no one would complain of how a perfect god created an imperfect world. Because by the logic and reasonings he created us with, we can definitely differentiate between perfection and imperfection. But then we're not dumb and we can see innocent kids dying horribly in a supposed perfect world, all because god wants to impress himself and his creation. Fantastic, isn't?

You're being emotional now, eeyah. Who said that a perfect God must create a perfect world? Who makes such rules or assumptions? Why on earth do you think this world is a supposedly perfect world?
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by Image123(m): 11:51pm On Mar 13
BlackManta:


Better fact like talking snake and magic apple undecided

Funny how some people always try to fault evolution but cannot prove that the story of magic apple and talking snake actually happened undecided

Why should anyone try to fault what is faulty? It's like trying to damage a damaged vehicle. Evolution is an unproven assumption. Why aren't you evolving since you became a man from a monkey? Planet earth is still turning by chance right? SMH
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by tosyne2much(m): 1:08am On Mar 14
showafrica:


You mean big bang theory was confirmed? ... Science find a way to please itself or convince itself that it knows it all pending when someone comes up with a better fact.
I don't believe in big bang theory.. To me, there's nothing of such.

This earth did not come into existence by chance as claimed by some people, someone somewhere must have done the crafting which brings about the concept of God

Trying to talk about how the earth was formed using science or logic is totally illogical.. Some things are just beyond human knowledge no matter how learned you think you are. The concept of the formation of earth and life cannot be explained by anybody, not even science.. Even the Bible does not explain it in clear terms but only beating around the bush using parables. Those ancient men who wrote the Bible probably wrote it based on their limited understanding about the whole universe and life itself

I repeat, no one can explain how we found ourselves here or what happens after death.. We will only keep on guess
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by showafrica(m): 1:14am On Mar 14
tosyne2much:
I don't believe in big bang theory.. To me, there's nothing of such.

This earth did not come into existence by chance as claimed by some people, someone somewhere must have done the crafting which brings about the concept of God

Trying to talk about how the earth was formed using science or logic is totally illogical.. Some things are just beyond human knowledge no matter how learned you think you are

The concept of the formation of earth and life cannot be explained by anybody, not even science.. Even the Bible doesn't explain the formation of the world in clear term, those who wrote the Bible probably wrote it based on their level of understanding




Yea, the other guy wants us to believe science hook line and sinker.
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by BlackManta(m): 3:41am On Mar 14
Image123:


Why should anyone try to fault what is faulty? It's like trying to damage a damaged vehicle. Evolution is an unproven assumption. Why aren't you evolving since you became a man from a monkey? Planet earth is still turning by chance right? SMH

Talking snake and magic apple is an unproven assumption.
What other thing do you have to back it up with except my holy book said so.
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by theoriginalgood: 3:42am On Mar 14
showafrica:


Bro no time, no one has the prove of how human was created. Even the theory of evolution is still a theory.

This is interesting to read.

You say no one has the proof of how humans were created. Do humans have basic imagination? Can you draw a cartoon? What kind of features would it have? Can’t you see there is so much intelligent design. There are patterns everywhere. The sun rises and sets continually. Rains come and go. There is sufficient evidence to show that the universe is organized.

Is it a good thing to be organized? Who invented numbers and letters? Why do humans agree to use them? Humans are clearly limited as beings. Do you think mere human hands can create a universe? Humanity is only capable of corrupting a universe.

It’s sensible to believe that there is a Good God orchestrating this entire existence. What ensures that humans continue to die forever? You know that the wages of sin is death. Practical deduction gives that humans are all evil sinners.

Would God be the most powerful being in existence if he wasn’t good? Good is stronger than evil, right is better than wrong and better is superior to worse. Humans die because they are evidently evil.

Since God is only Good, if he created anything, it would be good and perfect like him. This means that God is not responsible for humanity. Humans are a product of their own imagination brought to life by the innate negative ability specific to every individual.

This 3D world cannot be the first entry into existence. What about the zero, one and two dimensions? It’s sensible to believe that every individual is born into existence in “ghost” form.

The idea of a physical body is a good thing. Humans corrupted God’s idea and gave themselves stinking bum holes, urinary tract, foul odors, fecal matter production etc

Every being in existence, God and humans included, has creativity power. It’s just that God is holy and pure while humans are the opposite.

This should be reasonable enough.
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by elijahkayode(m): 5:02am On Mar 14
kevoh:

Red Herring alert! What next? Cell Theory? Theory of Relativity? Let's just pick a scientific term and slap theory as a prefix or suffix and then convince ourselves or pretend that using a flawed exam and textbook analogy to explain is proof that our memories were deleted and this proposition is in the league of big bang theory and these scientific theories.



Really? Did you just say/type science finds a way of pleasing/convincing itself? Ok, I'm done here.


science made the us think the world was flat until it was prove otherwise
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by Amhappy(f): 10:55am On Mar 14
After the creation of man,God handed authority to man to rule and conquer the earth. Our Father prayer says 'May thy kingdom come on earth' so which means that the earth is not God's kingdom. Many christians are yet to understand this. Decision of what hapens on earth is taken by man till Christ comes and take over the earth. Man makes mistakes and also can be evil and that's why we have a lot of avoidable deaths. Most death is not God's will but man's will. Natures also takes its cause. But when Christ comes there will be no more death,no more weeping and no more sorrow. However it doesn't mean that God doesn't care about us on earth. If we truly seek his face,he may answer but its His soley His perogative,His will.

May their souls and the souls of all the faithful departed through the mercy of God rest in peace. Amen.
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by JUDASiskariot: 12:07pm On Mar 14
Image123:


You're being emotional now, eeyah. Who said that a perfect God must create a perfect world?

Did god according to the Bible create an imperfect world?

Who makes such rules or assumptions?

My assumptions from the Bible in Genesis precisely. Maybe I am making an erroneous assumption, but then am I wrong? Did god who supposedly is perfect according to the Bible create an imperfect world?

Why on earth do you think this world is a supposedly perfect world?

I'm not thinking that, rather I'm thinking this world is not perfect, and which led me to ask, why would a supposed perfect being create and imperfect world? Doesn't that discredit his perfection?
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by Image123(m): 12:49pm On Mar 14
BlackManta:

Talking snake and magic apple is an unproven assumption. What other thing do you have to back it up with except my holy book said so.
Talking snake and magic apples? Tell me more, what is that all about?
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by BlackManta(m): 2:08pm On Mar 14
Image123:


Talking snake and magic apples? Tell me more, what is that all about?

Biblical creation story featuring magic apple and talking snake grin grin

Don't you know undecided
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by Rozaytee(f): 2:27pm On Mar 14
Toks2008:
After i heard the news of The Ethiopian airline Boeing 737 that crashed today killing over 150 people i felt compelled to drop this piece with a heavy heart and very deep sobriety..

Many people often wonder why GOD allows people to die through several ways when he has the power to avert the cause and atheists have used this issue to discredit the existence of GOD.

The bitter truth is every one of us must die at different times through different means regardless of the age. Whether by human error, gun,natural disasters,wars, plane crash, sickness...WE ALL MUST LEAVE THIS EARTH.

It is quite unfortunate that the earth does not have infinite resources for limitless number of species so by default,people must die for earth's ecological balance to be sustained. Imagine you, your entire family right from the previous 4 generations living in one building without anyone leaving...now you can imagine how choked you all will be.

In like manner, for the earth to maintain its balance, every living species must at one time or the other leave for new ones to have space. So the bitter truth is that people must die and as people leave this earth, new people come in through child birth and this balance must continue regardless of your prayer to live long....IF GOD ANSWERS EVERYBODY'S PRAYER FOR LONG LIFE I GUESS THIS WORLD WILL BE SATURATED.

What GOD cares about is our souls and whilst we cry on earth when anyone dies, to GOD it is home coming cos this earth is just a temporary place for our souls.

Our souls–that invisible and eternal part of us–is the part that connects us with God. It’s what makes us different than all other life forms on the planet: every human has a soul. Your soul is the real you and that is what GOD really cares about and not your earthly body. That’s why Jesus asked, “Is anything worth more than your soul?”(Mark 8:37)

Yes its ok to pray and wish for long life but stop bothering your head about who dies and who lives or when and how you die....it can happen at anytime so start preparing your soul for where you want it to be for eternity.


May the souls of the dead R.I.P..Amen!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-47513508
he is d only one dat can answer u... Not we humans

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Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by bigjohn100: 4:10pm On Mar 14
Rozaytee:
he is d only one dat can answer u... Not we humans

Wonderful write-up

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Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by Image123(m): 4:25pm On Mar 14
BlackManta:


Biblical creation story featuring magic apple and talking snake grin grin

Don't you know undecided

There is no biblical story that features a magic apple and a talking snake. Are you kidding or serious?
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by Image123(m): 4:36pm On Mar 14
JUDASiskariot:

Did god according to the Bible create an imperfect world?

My assumptions from the Bible in Genesis precisely. Maybe I am making an erroneous assumption, but then am I wrong? Did god who supposedly is perfect according to the Bible create an imperfect world?

Actually, it is God and not god. Don't add rudeness to being an unbeliever. That's my God, remember? The Bible says God created a world that was 'good'. The definition of good is what you should be considering, as one man's meat is another's poison. He clearly stated that the garden of Eden needed to be guarded/kept. He had His purposes and plans, always does. He defines what He means, not you.




I'm not thinking that, rather I'm thinking this world is not perfect, and which led me to ask, why would a supposed perfect being create and imperfect world? Doesn't that discredit his perfection?

You said the world is perfect so i needed to verify. A perfect being can do what He likes oga. There is no law that says He cannot or should not do as He likes. You can't define perfection for Him. Under what authority or certificate? lol
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by Tolams16: 6:12pm On Mar 14
Let me rectify some misconceptions about this post. You have made your points and i respect that, but to say that the earth has to maintain ecological balance i find untrue yes the earth maintains ecological balance but not by the dead of so many innocent poeple untimely, ( it maintains it by d dead of the elderly, i min natural dead and not tragic and painful ones) i mean if that is d plan then what is the purpose of people coming to this earth or even being born if they re just going to come and die untimely. Yes God accepts our souls and is very hapy to do so but not when it is not our time. Its like saying God sends people to come and spent 10,20 or 30 yrs on this earth and then allow then to die just so they can go back to heaven again, if thats the case then what is the point of even sending them to earth in the first place it does not seem nice, and does not make any sense.

Besides, the bible calls God to be just, unbiased, faithful in whom there is no darkness. So therefore i dont see a God of this nature allowing bad things to happen. You made mention of the world not being enough for us, which i also decry i believe the world is big enough for all of us if we apply the wisdom God has given us in controlling our explosive population and reducing the adverse effects of science and tech on nature.

Now here is the major point. God is just very just he is light and in him there is no darkness. The person responsible for all this tragedies is Satan and also man. This tragic incidence occur on accord of mans owned action on direct and indirect manipulation from satan. Let me elaborate, i believe most of us are christians and therefore biblical. The devil is in charge of this world, yes he is. Ever since the fall of adam satan has taken control and dominion from man. God gave man control and he lost it to satan, so therefore satan now has that full control. The only one's immuned from this control and manipulation are christians, believers of jesus christ. Since christ came to die for us, he has regained that control and given it back to us, but this priviledge is only available to those who believe. So therefore if you re human and on this earth, without christ in your life, you re under the power of satan either you like it or not. People see so many tragedies in this world and then they blame God. Meanwhile it is all satans doing. How is it God's fault? He has given us a way out, he says if we beleive in him and if we call on him, he will deliver us from the antics of the enemy, seriously speaking how many true believers do we have these days.

Tragedies have been happening and will continue to occur as long as satan is in this world, an as long as we have unbelievers or believers who do not understand the scriptures, satan will always cause havoc. It was never God's fault, it has never been God's fault and it will never be God's fault.

We all need to have a full grasp and understanding of these concepts, if we do, then we will understand why a lot of tragic events happening on this earth re happening. Thank you.
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by BlackManta(m): 9:10pm On Mar 14
Image123:


There is no biblical story that features a magic apple and a talking snake. Are you kidding or serious?

You are the one that's kidding.

The tree of knowledge of good and evil that Satan in the form of a talking serpent (snake) convinced Eve to eat from.

Magic apple is the fruit from this tree.
Talking snake is the devil himself.

I may have added a little satire and imagery.
But you do know what I'm talking about, stop pretending.


You are one of those people that believe that talking snake and magic apple makes more sense than evolution. undecided
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by Image123(m): 11:13pm On Mar 14
BlackManta:


You are the one that's kidding.

The tree of knowledge of good and evil that Satan in the form of a talking serpent (snake) convinced Eve to eat from.

Magic apple is the fruit from this tree.
Talking snake is the devil himself.

I may have added a little satire and imagery.
But you do know what I'm talking about, stop pretending.


You are one of those people that believe that talking snake and magic apple makes more sense than evolution. undecided

Oh that, nothing to be satirical about there. I'm not interested in satires but facts. Or maybe God is playing imagery for you?
The Genesis 3 account is not unproven as we see its effects reverberating till tomorrow. What more proof do you need of a fallen world the account talks of? Unlike evolution that we only see in film and modelling. Have you started evolving from human being?
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by BlackManta(m): 11:49pm On Mar 14
Image123:


Oh that, nothing to be satirical about there. I'm not interested in satires but facts. Or maybe God is playing imagery for you?
The Genesis 3 account is not unproven as we see its effects reverberating till tomorrow. What more proof do you need of a fallen world the account talks of? Unlike evolution that we only see in film and modelling. Have you started evolving from human being?

So you do believe story of talking snake and magic apple grin grin
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by Image123(m): 12:02am On Mar 15
BlackManta:


So you do believe story of talking snake and magic apple grin grin

No, i don't believe satires and imagery. I believe the Bible and you should. It says nothing about talking snake and magic apple. You're sidestepping BTW. Thinking?
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by BlackManta(m): 12:17am On Mar 15
Image123:


Oh that, nothing to be satirical about there. I'm not interested in satires but facts. Or maybe God is playing imagery for you?
The Genesis 3 account is not unproven as we see its effects reverberating till tomorrow. What more proof do you need of a fallen world the account talks of? Unlike evolution that we only see in film and modelling. Have you started evolving from human being?

Human evolution hasn’t stopped.

Humans still evolve.

Let me explain...

Evolution is a gradual change to the DNA of a species over many generations.
It can occur by natural selection, when certain traits created by genetic mutations help an organism survive or reproduce.
Such mutations are thus more likely to be passed on to the next generation, so they increase in frequency in a population.
Gradually, these mutations and their associated traits become more common among the whole group.

By looking at global studies of our DNA, we can see evidence that natural selection has recently made changes and continues to do so.
Though modern healthcare frees us from many causes of death, in countries without access to good healthcare, populations are continuing to evolve.
Survivors of infectious disease outbreaks drive natural selection by giving their genetic resistance to offspring. Our DNA shows evidence for recent selection for resistance of killer diseases like Lassa fever and malaria. Selection in response to malaria is still ongoing in regions where the disease remains common.

Humans are also adapting to their environment. Mutations allowing humans to live at high altitudes have become more common in populations in Tibet, Ethiopia, and the Andes.
The spread of genetic mutations in Tibet is possibly the fastest evolutionary change in humans, occurring over the last 3,000 years. This rapid surge in frequency of a mutated gene that increases blood oxygen content gives locals a survival advantage in higher altitudes, resulting in more surviving children.

Human evolution is still happening and there are evidences to back it up.

What evidence do you have to prove that there was a garden where a talking serpent deceived a woman to eat a forbidden fruit undecided

Oh right the Bible says so.. undecided

Scientists dont make balderdash statements like "a certain book says so"...

They do analysis, extensive research, investigation, conduct experiments before coming to any conclusion.
Re: Why Does GOD Allow tragic death? by dalaman: 12:20am On Mar 15
Image123:


Oh that, nothing to be satirical about there. I'm not interested in satires but facts. Or maybe God is playing imagery for you?
The Genesis 3 account is not unproven as we see its effects reverberating till tomorrow. What more proof do you need of a fallen world the account talks of? Unlike evolution that we only see in film and modelling. Have you started evolving from human being?

The biblical fictional tales have no support in reality. Stop telling empty lies. .

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