No, seriously, population control agenda or no population control agenda, Nigeria needs to slow down, it has enough young people.

cap28:

I think it is abundantly clear to everyone that the problem in Nigeria has nothing to do with an increase in the population but the capitalist economic system imposed on the nigerian people in collaboration with nigerian saboteurs which has condemned the nigerian people to a life of poverty.

some guys here are really funny. some of you have all the signs of a bigot. even sagamite who likes to argue has backed down on this. do some of you need training on how an economy is run? without capitalism, i doubt you would be where you are today.
capitalism, with al its faults, is still the best.
if not capitalism, CAP28, which one please?

ezeagu:

No, seriously, population control agenda or no population control agenda, Nigeria needs to slow down, it has enough young people.

sorry,
how do you go about this your 'slowing down'?
or are you just ladened with emotion about something that does not affect you?
nor your prosperity!

ola olabiy:

sorry,
how do you go about this your 'slowing down'?
or are you just ladened with emotion about something that does not affect you?
nor your prosperity!

You need to do some thinking. Do you know what family planning is? Do you know the amount of people living dirt poor with over 5 children in Nigeria? What prosperity are you talking about? You think overpopulation is a good thing? You think Nigeria needs 300 million starving people for "prosperity"? There's a reason China has a one child policy. You need to think ahead when Lagos reaches 50 million and the whole city collapses, and then where will the "prosperity" come from?

ezeagu:

No, seriously, population control agenda or no population control agenda, Nigeria needs to slow down, it has enough young people.

Dont allow yourself to be mentally manipulated by the Europeans medias. Is it true that Nigeria and Africa is over crowded and moving towards an unsustainable population level?."No. Absolutely not". Overcrowding can be measured by one method only, that is whether there are too many people to fit in the space available. Population density is calculated by dividing the number of people by area. Population density is usually shown as the number of people per square kilometer.The most densely populated continent area in the world is Europe, yes EUROPE (see GAP News #7, Population Figures), but do Europeans think there are too many people in Europe? Of course not. But did the europeans use the word overpopulation when they talk about the european population?.Of course not. But they believe there are too many African and Asian people in the world. That is not overcrowding that is racism". Why they dont want to use "population control" in Europe when they know that The most densely populated continent area in the world is Europe?.

ezeagu:

You need to do some thinking. Do you know what family planning is? Do you know the amount of people living dirt poor with over 5 children in Nigeria? What prosperity are you talking about? You think overpopulation is a good thing? You think Nigeria needs 300 million starving people for "prosperity"? There's a reason China has a one child policy. You need to think ahead when Lagos reaches 50 million and the whole city collapses, and then where will the "prosperity" come from?

you don't still get it.
the dirt in nigeria has nothing to do with population. only lagos needs some planning in that area (population). and it's not the state's fault. people will always prefer lagos to any other state in nigeria.
reduce nigeria's population by a third, dirt and decay would still be conspicous.
and, to let you know that you don't really understand this concept, china's one-child policy is in place because of concerns over land mass.

there are 3 main reasons why population sometimes becomes an issue. land mass is the main one. i will tell you the other 2 later.
take care.

cap28:

Another attempt to put into place their population control agenda which is targeted at non white countries only.

I think it is abundantly clear to everyone that the problem in Nigeria has nothing to do with an increase in the population but the capitalist economic system imposed on the nigerian people in collaboration with nigerian saboteurs which has condemned the nigerian people to a life of poverty.

Horus:

Exactly !!. The truth is that population control is the process by which Global Europe (whites, Caucasians, Aryans) seeks to guarantee its perpetual domination of the rest of the non-whites population. It is the Caucasians, who want to rule the world indefinitly by not only controllong its economic and political resourses but also by controlling its population, wherever they are, so that their own population, even though declining, will never be swamped. Hence their population policy to reduce, if not wipe out the populations of non-Caucasians,especially in the third-world countries, and more so the blacks. This policy is especially directed towards the blacks in the USA and in Africa. Then there was the notorious NSSM 200 (National Security Study Memorandum 200), sometimes called the "Kissinger population paper," in which it was stressed that oil and mineral-rich Nigeria could easily cope with a far larger population and would gain sufficient status to compete with the US influence over Africa. It has also been learnt that they continue to inject the disease into new-born babies whose parents do not have HIV/AIDS. There were other documents produced at around the same time to corroborate this intense interest in Nigeria, the country's population, and its oil wealth. The US Information Agency or USIA (which operates the Voice of America on other propaganda actions around the world) does yearly reports on the US interest in various countries.They, too, cites the pervasive worries about Nigeria becoming the economic and demographic giant of Africa, capable of spreading an anti-American ideology all over the continent, and likewise stressing that agency goals should serve the larger objective of increasing US influence over Nigeria's politics and culture.

Honestly, I have always said it.

These 2 guys need to see a psychiatrist soon, before things get too far out of hand.

Horus:

Dont allow yourself to be mentally manipulated by the Europeans medias. Is it true that Nigeria and Africa is over crowded and moving towards an unsustainable population level?."No. Absolutely not". Overcrowding can be measured by one method only, that is whether there are too many people to fit in the space available. Population density is calculated by dividing the number of people by area. Population density is usually shown as the number of people per square kilometer.The most densely populated continent area in the world is Europe, yes EUROPE (see GAP News #7, Population Figures), but do Europeans think there are too many people in Europe? Of course not. But did the europeans use the word overpopulation when they talk about the european population?.Of course not. But they believe there are too many African and Asian people in the world. That is not overcrowding that is racism". Why they dont want to use "population control" in Europe when they know that The most densely populated continent area in the world is Europe?.

This is funny, because I was just reading this.

Over-populated England

Published: 12:01AM BST 06 May 2008

News that England is poised to become the most crowded nation in western Europe will come as little surprise to the millions who already battle their way to work in London and the South East.

Within two years, England will overtake Holland as the most populous major country - and it will get progressively worse.

According to the Office for National Statistics, England's population will rise to 521 people for every square kilometre by 2056, compared with 390 individuals per sq km in 2006.

England is already one of the most densely populated countries in the world, let alone in Europe. It has nearly twice the population density of Germany, four times that of France and 12 times that of the USA.

Inevitably, the South will take the brunt of the increase, placing further strain on housing and transport, which are already almost at breaking point.

The main driver for this increase is immigration, which has also produced higher levels of childbirth. More people are also living to a ripe old age. If current trends continue, then the UK population could rise to 108 million in a lifetime.

Until fairly recently, demographers believed the population would stabilise at around 60 million and then decline. In other words, there was no long-term policy planning for the population we have today, let alone what we now face.

The inevitable consequences are less space, more costly land, smaller but dearer homes, congested roads, packed trains, overburdened hospitals, oversubscribed schools, new towns and pressures on resources.

Since England will remain an attractive destination for many immigrants, who often bring their entrepreneurial dynamism with them, it would help matters if more people moved to other, less crowded parts of Britain.

But we are such a top-heavy nation, with a capital city more dominant than any in Europe, that this is unlikely to happen unless more jobs are created elsewhere in the country.

The 'West' doesn't need to be excuse for everything or a case study for everything.

ola olabiy:

you don't still get it.
the dirt in nigeria has nothing to do with population. only lagos needs some planning in that area (population). and it's not the state's fault. people will always prefer lagos to any other state in nigeria.
reduce nigeria's population by a third, dirt and decay would still be conspicous.
and, to let you know that you don't really understand this concept, china's one-child policy is in place because of concerns over land mass.

there are 3 main reasons why population sometimes becomes an issue. land mass is the main one. i will tell you the other 2 later.
take care.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/3557993/Over-populated-England.html

So why didn't you talk about why land mass is a concern for China if I don't understand? Is it because I will point out that China is over 10 times Nigeria's size and that Nigeria should be even more worried that such a country with large lands is worried? The dangers of over population doesn't lessen for conspiracy theories.

Sagamite:

Honestly, I have always said it.

These 2 guys need to see a psychiatrist soon, before things get too far out of hand.

Mr Sagamite aka Loony tunes calling erudite scholars like myself and Horus crazy - wonders shall never end 

cap28:

Mr Sagamite aka Loony tunes calling erudite scholars like myself and Horus crazy - wonders shall never end 

Yeah, of course! You are a mentally divergent, erudite scholar from Planet Ogo!!! You are of the intellectual elite.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUXoF2rv3M8&feature=player_embedded

Seun:

Were we rich before the "capitalist economic system" was "imposed" on us?  Have we ever not been poor?

No, We've NOT always been "poor" and yes we fed ourselves and depended largely on our own resources and "economic system" before the "Capitalist Economic System" (whatever that is)

I have no problem with capitalism, but I have a problem with us mis-reading our history because we are blinded by our current state.

By "poor" I'm referring to the modern definition of poverty since the industrial revolution.

Our forefathers before the Coming of Europeans or even Arabs, grew their own crops, fed and provided for themselves without relying on European aid or handouts. So we were not "poor". Europeans came here to trade, explore and propagate their beliefs and culture not to feed us or show us the way to riches or display how wealthy they were. That came later.

I will argue that they did not find any poverty here that is not comparable to theirs, even their own records reflect that fact, check the link below

The graph below shows a distribution of GDP between 1-2003 AD. when you compare Africa to the rest of the world, you will find that we were not poorer than our peers until the 14th-15th century -of course the rest of the world left us behind after that.

According to Angus Maddison (formerly of Havard, McGill and John Hopkins) In the year 1000, the rich countries of today were poorer than Asia and Africa. OECD published this report in The World Economy: A Millennial Perspective

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_GDP_Capita_1-2003_A.D.png

My opinion: We were blindsided by time, chance and our inability to respond quickly to change. But you can't say we've always been poor.


Back to reality; We are NOW "poor" that is the current reality at least by modern definitions.



@ Topic, I agree with Sagamite and others, Nigeria has a population growth that is not proportional to our economic growth and that is scary. All these talk about potential resources and all the good stuff are great, but we are too far behind and we are still running backwards.

Our educational system is over-hyped and under performing and our social culture needs a reality check that will align us with the world we now live in or we might need to create another one for ourselves and force the rest of the world to accept it. Until then, "we dey try" won't do it

I just watched a programme about another country lunatic with lunatic population: Phillipines.

A country that is only one third of Nigeria in land size but yet have a population that is two third of Nigeria. If we don't stop, we will be heading their way. We will soon have the same population density.

There retards are having up to 10 kids like our Northerners, theirs is just worse as in is done within a monogamous family.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/15/philippines-overpopulation-crisis

Read about Manila and see the similarities to Lagos.

[size=18pt]Manila: A megacity where the living must share with the dead[/size]

[size=14pt]As the world faces overpopulation, the Philippine capital highlights the problems it brings, as Jenny Kleeman discovered[/size]

In the heart of Manila's vast North Cemetery, the largest graveyard in the capital of the Philippines, Ricky Baking is hunched over a tomb with a hammer and chisel. After several determined blows, the lid cracks into three pieces. He opens the rotten coffin to reveal the skeleton of a 65-year-old man, dressed in his burial suit and shoes. Baking steps into the tomb with bare feet, and reaches for the bones.

This isn't a grave robbery – it's an eviction. Like everywhere else in Manila, the North Cemetery has run out of space. Up to 80 funerals take place here every day, and demand for plots is so high most people can only afford to rent tombs. If your relatives fail to keep up the payments, another body will take your place. It's Baking's job to clear this grave so another coffin can be lowered into it later this afternoon. He's done this so often it's almost mundane to him.

Land is precious in Manila, and people are prepared to endure incredible circumstances to claim their own piece. Baking's family is one of hundreds that have set up home in the cemetery, jostling for space with the dead. "It's much better living here than in a shanty town," he assures me as we clamber over densely-packed powder pink and blue tombs on the way to his home. "It's much more peaceful and quiet."

The crypt where his family of seven sleeps is barely bigger than a garden shed, but it's furnished with every modern convenience: there's a fridge, a DVD player, electric fans and a built-in toilet. His youngest daughter was a little frightened when they moved here four years ago, he says, but they now find it easy to forget the body buried beneath its floor. In a city with too many people, this is a decent place to live.

The world is facing an overpopulation crisis. In 40 years time, if current growth rates continue, the number of people on the planet will be almost one and a half times what it is today, rising from 6.8 billion to 9.2 billion by 2050. As population increases, so does competition for basic resources – land, food, water and fuel – as well as the threat of environmental devastation and endemic disease. Our numbers are going to be unsustainable within a few years.

Most of the 10,000 babies born every hour are going to grow up in urban settlements: more than half the world's population now live in cities, and that will rise to 70% by 2050. Megacities – with more than 10 million inhabitants – are springing up across the globe, particularly in developing countries. In 1985, there were only nine megacities Today, there are 26.

But as we brace ourselves for the future challenges posed by overpopulation, the residents of Manila are already living with them. This is the city where the statistics come alive. Greater Manila is home to 20 million people, rising by another quarter of a million every year. It's a place of great economic extremes, and space and privacy are luxuries only afforded to Manila's wealthy elite. A third of Manilans live cheek by jowl in makeshift settlements on any bit of spare land – under bridges, next to railway lines, beside flood defences as well as cemeteries. These are ordinary people, often with reasonably paid jobs, who can only afford to live in battery conditions if they want to stay in the city.

Overcrowding is a fact of life from cradle to grave in Manila. At the government-run Jose Fabella maternity hospital, four mothers and their newborns share each bed. On the morning I visit, 133 babies have already been born since midnight in one ward alone. It's desperately hot and the mothers are fanning their babies with whatever they can find. The ward is well-equipped, but running at double capacity. There are simply too many mothers calling on its resources.

"Looking after the welfare of so many people is quite a challenge," says Elisa Navarro, the head nurse. "We have to do regular ward checks to make sure none of the mothers are sleeping on the babies and suffocating them." I can see how easily it would be for this to happen – most of the women are exhausted from labour and almost unaware of the seven other people in their bed. But the mothers tell me they're used to it: at home their entire family will sleep together on a single mattress, which can often mean sharing a bed with eight or nine other people.

The Parapina family live in Baseco, a shanty town of just over half a square kilometre that's home to 90,000 people. Jennifer and Manuel have seven children, aged eight to 17 and all nine share a shack that's no more than three metres across. There's no space for tables, chairs or a mattress – so when night falls, the family put bedding down on the floor and lie side by side together, like sardines.

Jennifer and Manuel earn enough money to clothe and feed their enormous family, and to furnish their home with electric fans and a television set, but the only way they can afford a place in the city is to build it themselves on public land, out of whatever wood and corrugated iron they can scavenge. They've lost four previous homes to the fires that often rage through Baseco. It's easy to see why: the rooftops are draped in thick tangles of cables, illegally tapping electricity from Manila's central supply.

We sit cross-legged on the bare floor, with Jennifer's youngest five children gathered around her. "We never planned to have so many," Jennifer smiles bashfully, "but I think of our children as a blessing^{(typical retarded religious excuse you see from ignorant, poor people)}. They're going to look after us when we're older." In a country with a weak social care system, a large family is your insurance policy. It's a reason why so many people across the developing world reconcile themselves to the poverty that can come with large families.

Jennifer is only 36, but by the time she was 28 she'd already been pregnant nine times. Contraception has long been taboo in the Philippines – this is a Catholic countryRETARDS!!! and successive governments have refused to promote sex education and contraception for fear of losing the Catholic vote. The Parapinas count themselves as observant Catholics, but it wasn't fear of hellfire that stopped Jennifer from planning her family – it was lack of information. When a local charity began offering free advice and birth control in Baseco a few years ago, she chose to be on a long-term contraception, and the Parapina family finally stopped growing.

Contagious diseases spread fast in Baseco. Jennifer has been living with tuberculosis for two years, but she's tells me about it in the matter-of-fact manner of someone who accepts serious illness as a normal part of life. Pneumonia, measles, cholera and dengue fever claim thousands of lives a year in Manila's most built-up areas. But this isn't enough to stop the city's population growing.

Jennifer's children say they'll show me around the shanty town. Baseco has grown up around a sea wall near the city centre that's supposed to protect Manila from flooding. Typhoon Ondoy killed hundreds in the capital last year but people are still building homes right against the flood defences here. The sea wall itself has been turned into the town's unofficial high street, with grocery stores, snack bars and even funeral parlours setting up stall right next to the water.

We arrive at the filthiest beach I have ever seen, strewn with household waste, plastic bags, polystyrene, old shoes, bricks and car tyres, with the strong, acrid smell of urine – a nightmare inversion of the Philippine beach on the front of my guidebook. Princess Parapina, 15, says this is the place where the children play. Most of the rubbish is washed up from the sea: the beach lies close to the mouth of the notorious Passig River, Manila's unofficial sewer and garbage chute that cuts the capital in two, which was declared biologically dead in the 1990s. (LWKMD, it is not only Lagos Lagoon that is Biologically DEAD.  Even bacteria and viruses know they will die in such a place, dem go dey fear)

The people of Baseco add to the rubbish, of course. There's no sanitation in the shanty town and people have the choice of either coming down to this beach to go to the toilet or using a plastic bag in their homes. ^{(No be only Lagos dem dey use "bomb"}  But even space on land as polluted as this is precious and there are houses built right up along the water's edge, wherever the ground is solid enough to support a shack.

The Parapina children rarely get the chance to play together because of the way the public school system works in Manila. There are 6,000 children at the local primary, so they have to go to school in shifts, staggered throughout the day, with classes starting at dawn for some. There are one thousand nine-year-olds in Mark Anthony Parapina's year alone, taught in three separate batches, with six classrooms of children in each shift.

Baseco Elementary has everything you'd expect in a modern school – there's a library, plenty of text books, posters and artwork on the walls – but the main resource teachers lack is sufficient time with their students. Mark Anthony's teacher, Evangeline Castro, tells me it's an uphill struggle. "The four hours we get with each class isn't enough to teach them well," she says. "We're really rushing to pack in everything we can into those four hours." No matter how hard she works, she'll only be able to give her pupils half an education.

The city's wealthy residents have largely been able to buy themselves out of Manila's worst problems. They live in spacious gated communities, they go to work in glass tower blocks in the city's gleaming financial district and they send their children to elite private schools where they'll only have to share their teachers with a few hundred or so others. But even the richest can't avoid the traffic. With millions of cars on the road, drivers spend an average of 1,000 hours every year stuck in jams, and even when cars are moving, they crawl at less than 10km an hour. Manila's municipal government has tried to ease the congestion by limiting which cars can be driven on certain days of the week, according to the numbers on their plates. But those who can afford it have simply bought a second car so they can stay on the road, driving different cars on different days.

Manila's wealth is the prime reason the city's population is exploding. If you want a piece of development and prosperity in the Philippines, you have to come to the capital. Rural poverty has caused thousands of Filipino people to flood into Manila every year from the countryside in search of their fortune. They arrive to find few jobs and nowhere to live – but this still isn't enough to make them return home.

Bai Warda's family is one of 300 who have set up home under a bridge in Quiapo, near the centre of town. She moved here from Mindanao, an island in the south of the country and she's brought up four children on the banks of the stagnant San Miguel waterway. From a distance the settlement looks incredibly ramshackle, made up of plywood shacks precariously balanced on stilts in the sewage-filled river, but close up it's clear that this is a functioning village with its own electricity supply, restaurants and a barber. Bai Warda has been running the local grocery store here for nearly 30 years.

"Most of the people who live here weren't born in Manila. We come from all over the country," she tells me. "I came here because I thought we'd be able to get jobs and better living conditions in the city." I wonder how desperate life must have been at home for this makeshift community to be a better alternative. "I'd never go back to Mindanao – there's nothing for us there," she replies. "I couldn't provide for my family's future if I went back."

It's tempting to think of Manila's overpopulation problem as extraordinary and exceptional. But as global population explodes, and wealth is increasingly concentrated in sprawling cities, Manila is an example of what urban centres all over the world may look like in the not too distant future. And as cities in developing countries become overwhelmed by their population, their inhabitants will have even more reason to migrate to the developed world. The planet is running out of space. Perhaps we will all need the resourcefulness and resilience of Manila's residents if we're going to continue living on it.

So who still says we should not control our population?

is this thread closed? well no cause for population blowout alarm, gov'ts and people can reclaim rivers, swamps, deserts, forests, etc and make them living places,

No end to challenges.

Finally Nigerian government see sense in controlling an exploding population as I have been saying for years.

[size=18pt]Nigeria population: Sachs' three-baby plan 'tricky'[/size]

A Nigerian family planning expert has told the BBC it would be difficult to implement the suggestion that Nigerians should only have three children.

Isaac Ogo pointed to the tradition of polygamy and the belief that the children were seen as a "gift from God" in a male-dominated society.

Recent UN figures suggest Nigeria's population could jump to 730 million by 2100 - behind only India and China.

UN special adviser Jeffrey Sachs said this prospect alarmed him.

"It is not healthy. Nigeria should work towards attaining a maximum of three children per family," he told the AFP news agency.

Mr Ogo, from the Planned Parenthood Federation of Nigeria, agrees with the goal but says it will be hard to change the views of many Nigerians.

He says Nigeria is a "high birth, high death" society where many people think: "I need to have as much children as I want, as I don't know which will survive."

Nigeria is one of the world's worst places to have a baby, according to the UN.

About 145 women die each day in pregnancy or childbirth, as do 2,300 children below five years of age.

'Not their business'

Mr Ogo also told the BBC's Focus on Africa programme that many women are unable to visit an organisation such as his without their husband's agreement.

On the streets of the northern city of Kaduna, some people told the BBC that God decided how many children they had and so it would be wrong to try to limit the number of births. [Bloody, fcking cretins!]

"[The UN] should try to advise the government how to make the lives of Nigerians better, not telling Nigerians not to have children - that is not their business," one angry woman said.

But one woman agreed with Mr Sachs, saying that in a poor country such as Nigeria, it was better to have fewer children and look after them properly.

Nigeria's population is currently 160m - by far the most populous in Africa but a long way behind those of China and India.

As those countries grow richer, the UN predicts their populations will stop expanding, while those in Africa such as Nigeria, will continue to grow rapidly.

[size=18pt]Majority of the poor people in Nigeria are not qualified to breed, because they breed kids they cannot even feed.
Then they look for others to bear their liabilities.
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