Mad_Max:

I had to stop at the Matrix conspiracy theory though. I don't get that part.

Mad_Max:

There's a civilisation that created this universe? Do you mean that in the 'Lobsang Rampa: The Hermit' sense? How did you arrive at this?  

Mad_Max:

  Isn't that quite a leap from your previous theory; we are all pieces of God? We're like pods planted by an alien civilisation; complex computer programming. Really intriguing.

Mad_Max:

Isn't it all just semantics though? Replacing 'illusion' with another word, something spacy and upbeat and sexy; 'computer program'? Is that essentially what 'getting with the 21st century gig' means? A new slang for old concepts? Are you really saying something new here? Whatever it is, it's interesting.

Mad_Max:

  Are you really saying something new here? Whatever it is, it's interesting.

Mad_Max:


Seriously, though, you might consider elaborating on the alien origin of the universe theory. It's genuinely interesting. How should one take it, though, coming from you; since you say now you'll be changing religious theories like clothing.

Mad_Max:

Interesting. Sorry about the presumption, lol. I thought you said something about changing beliefs to suit whatever's currently fashionable or something. 

Mad_Max:

So from the advances in these technology comes the extrapolation that the whole world, the universe itself, is one giant simulation.

Mad_Max:

Like The Matrix na. You've seen the movie featuring Reeves and Fishbourne and Moss, yes?

Mad_Max:

It pretty well sums up your theory.

billydkidd:

People like Hawkings . . . . well, what can we say? There are a lot of people like him out there anyway. For these set of human beings, it is only when they are dead and buried will they realise that indeed God exists! The Yorubas call them ''A dan'run mo' to (A person that only knows the truth when he dies)
Testimonies abound everyday, e.g the incidences of good and evil, the miracles that we see everyday, dreams, sorcery, the invocation of spirits, visions and transfigurations etc, etc.

A man dies and is medically certified dead. A true prophet comes along, says a prayer then places his hand on the man and the man rises, comes back to life. How will a Hawking explain this? I reckon he will say 'LUCKY COINCIDENCE.'

A woman has been medically certified to be incapable of giving birth and so has been childless for 15 or more years. A true prophet comes along, prays to God and asks her to fast for some days. Within the next 30 days, the woman conceives for the 1st time ever and later delivers a baby. How will a Hawking explain this? I reckon he will say 'LUCKY COINCIDENCE.'

A mad man tormented by demons (invisible evil spirits) for many years wanders around unclothed, shouting and hallucinating. A true prophet of God sees him, prays and commands the spirits to leave him and enter the oceans. Immmediately, madness leaves the man and he comes to his senses.How will a Hawking explain this? I reckon he will say 'LUCKY COINCIDENCE.'


The fact is, our world or the universe is made up of the PHYSICAL MATTER (Physics, Chemistry and Biology) & THE SPIRITUAL MATTER. The spiritual far supercedes and takes pre-eminence over the physical. Unlike the physical, the SPIRITUAL is amorphous,dimensionless, invisible and sublime. How then can the visible explain the invisible?

Indeed, what is Physics? Physics is the study of the fundamental qualities of energy and the properties of the non - living matter. So, how can a physicist, through his narrow prism of studying the 'dead' matter understand life itself, not to talk of the spiritual? Is it through his telescope or lens that he will see the spirits? Stephen Hawking is nothing, but a huge joke!

But let us look at the life of Stephen Hawking himself, the great physicist who 'understands' the universe: This is a man that has been atrophied from birth, that is, the parts of his body has been wasting away one by one since he was 20 years old. He currently cannot speak and so has to use artificial synthesisers to converts his thoughts to speech on the computer screen. See, a physician that has been unable to remove the log from his own eyes, now trying to remove the log from other people's eyes.

But God has said it all, except that we will NEVER listen. God said, we should never seek His mystery, but that we should always strive to seek His face.

If only Stephen Hawking can (for once) repent and seek the face of God, then and only then will he (truly) understand the UNIVERSE & ITS CREATOR, THE SUPREME GOD - THE GOD OF YESTERDAY, TODAY & FOREVER.

For years, other scientists have made similar claims, maintaining that the awesome, sophisticated creativity of the world around us can be interpreted solely by reference to physical laws such as gravity.

It is a simplistic approach, yet in our secular age it is one that seems to have resonance with a sceptical public.

But, as both a scientist and a Christian, I would say that Hawking's claim is misguided. He asks us to choose between God and the laws of physics, as if they were necessarily in mutual conflict.

But contrary to what Hawking claims, physical laws can never provide a complete explanation of the universe. Laws themselves do not create anything, they are merely a description of what happens under certain conditions.

What Hawking appears to have done is to confuse law with agency. His call on us to choose between God and physics is a bit like someone demanding that we choose between aeronautical engineer Sir Frank Whittle and the laws of physics to explain the jet engine.

That is a confusion of category. The laws of physics can explain how the jet engine works, but someone had to build the thing, put in the fuel and start it up. The jet could not have been created without the laws of physics on their own  -  but the task of development and creation needed the genius of Whittle as its agent.

Similarly, the laws of physics could never have actually built the universe. Some agency must have been involved.

To use a simple analogy, Isaac Newton's laws of motion in themselves never sent a snooker ball racing across the green baize. That can only be done by people using a snooker cue and the actions of their own arms.

Hawking's argument appears to me even more illogical when he says the existence of gravity means the creation of the universe was inevitable. But how did gravity exist in the first place? Who put it there? And what was the creative force behind its birth?

Similarly, when Hawking argues, in support of his theory of spontaneous creation, that it was only necessary for 'the blue touch paper' to be lit to 'set the universe going', the question must be: where did this blue touch paper come from? And who lit it, if not God?

Much of the rationale behind Hawking's argument lies in the idea that there is a deep-seated conflict between science and religion. But this is not a discord I recognise.

For me, as a Christian believer, the beauty of the scientific laws only reinforces my faith in an intelligent, divine creative force at work. The more I understand science, the more I believe in God because of my wonder at the breadth, sophistication and integrity of his creation.

The very reason science flourished so vigorously in the 16th and 17th centuries was precisely because of the belief that the laws of nature which were then being discovered and defined reflected the influence of a divine law-giver.

One of the fundamental themes of Christianity is that the universe was built according to a rational , intelligent design. Far from being at odds with science, the Christian faith actually makes perfect scientific sense.

Some years ago, the scientist Joseph Needham made an epic study of technological development in China. He wanted to find out why China, for all its early gifts of innovation, had fallen so far behind Europe in the advancement of science.

He reluctantly came to the conclusion that European science had been spurred on by the widespread belief in a rational creative force, known as God, which made all scientific laws comprehensible.

Despite this, Hawking, like so many other critics of religion, wants us to believe we are nothing but a random collection of molecules, the end product of a mindless process.

This, if true, would undermine the very rationality we need to study science. If the brain were really the result of an unguided process, then there is no reason to believe in its capacity to tell us the truth.

We live in an information age. When we see a few letters of the alphabet spelling our name in the sand, our immediate response is to recognise the work of an intelligent agent. How much more likely, then, is an intelligent creator behind the human DNA, the colossal biological database that contains no fewer than 3.5 billion 'letters'?

It is fascinating that Hawking, in attacking religion, feels compelled to put so much emphasis on the Big Bang theory. Because, even if the non-believers don't like it, the Big Bang fits in exactly with the Christian narrative of creation.

That is why, before the Big Bang gained currency, so many scientists were keen to dismiss it, since it seemed to support the Bible story. Some clung to Aristotle's view of the 'eternal universe' without beginning or end; but this theory, and later variants of it, are now deeply discredited.

But support for the existence of God moves far beyond the realm of science. Within the Christian faith, there is also the powerful evidence that God revealed himself to mankind through Jesus Christ two millennia ago. This is well-documented not just in the scriptures and other testimony but also in a wealth of archaeological findings.

Hawking also thinks that the potential existence of other lifeforms in the universe undermines the traditional religious conviction that we are living on a unique, God-created planet. But there is no proof that other lifeforms are out there, and Hawking certainly does not present any.

It always amuses me that atheists often argue for the existence of extra-terrestrial intelligence beyond earth. Yet they are only too eager to denounce the possibility that we already have a vast, intelligent being out there: God.

Hawking's new fusillade cannot shake the foundations of a faith that is based on evidence.

vescucci:

. . .Hawkings is a profoundly brilliant man but he is still just a man.

billydkidd:


Testimonies abound everyday, e.g the incidences of good and evil, the miracles that we see everyday, dreams, sorcery, the invocation of spirits, visions and transfigurations etc, etc.

A man dies and is medically certified dead. A true prophet comes along, says a prayer then places his hand on the man and the man rises, comes back to life. How will a Hawking explain this? I reckon he will say 'LUCKY COINCIDENCE.'

A woman has been medically certified to be incapable of giving birth and so has been childless for 15 or more years. A true prophet comes along, prays to God and asks her to fast for some days. Within the next 30 days, the woman conceives for the 1st time ever and later delivers a baby. How will a Hawking explain this? I reckon he will say 'LUCKY COINCIDENCE.'

A mad man tormented by demons (invisible evil spirits) for many years wanders around unclothed, shouting and hallucinating. A true prophet of God sees him, prays and commands the spirits to leave him and enter the oceans. Immmediately, madness leaves the man and he comes to his senses.How will a Hawking explain this? I reckon he will say 'LUCKY COINCIDENCE.'

The fact is, our world or the universe is made up of the PHYSICAL MATTER (Physics, Chemistry and Biology) & THE SPIRITUAL MATTER. The spiritual far supercedes and takes pre-eminence over the physical. Unlike the physical, the SPIRITUAL is amorphous,dimensionless, invisible and sublime. How then can the visible explain the invisible?

Indeed, what is Physics? Physics is the study of the fundamental qualities of energy and the properties of the non - living matter. So, how can a physicist, through his narrow prism of studying the 'dead' matter understand life itself, not to talk of the spiritual? Is it through his telescope or lens that he will see the spirits? Stephen Hawking is nothing, but a huge joke!

But let us look at the life of Stephen Hawking himself, the great physicist who 'understands' the universe: This is a man that has been atrophied from birth, that is, the parts of his body has been wasting away one by one since he was 20 years old. He currently cannot speak and so has to use artificial synthesisers to converts his thoughts to speech on the computer screen. See, a physician that has been unable to remove the log from his own eyes, now trying to remove the log from other people's eyes.

But God has said it all, except that we will NEVER listen. God said, we should never seek His mystery, but that we should always strive to seek His face.

If only Stephen Hawking can (for once) repent and seek the face of God, then and only then will he (truly) understand the UNIVERSE & ITS CREATOR, THE SUPREME GOD - THE GOD OF YESTERDAY, TODAY & FOREVER.

A simple reading of the bible says that the God it talks about evolved a lot of times and has never been the same. . . . .Have you ever seen the face of God? How does it look like?

When did any God say that? Unless if you are saying that the writers of the bible who are men are your God. . . . . . .Saying that God said without providing the God that says so means you are lying, no? God says is nothing other than I want you to believe me. . . .  .

ACTUALLY the HUGE JOKE is you who keeps asserting stuffs you can NOT provide any evidence for? Your evidence for any spiritual entity creating the Universe is WHAT? Absence of evidence s evidence of absences. . . . ,

You are just regurgitating stuffs you don't even know, WHAT is the spiritual matter? Your evidence to show that there is spiritual matter other than your delusional beliefs is WHAT?. . . . . . .

Name of woman and her medical records will do, blind assertions means you are telling lies, no?. . . . .

I want you to tell us the name of the man, how long he died, name of the hospital that declared him dead and the name of the so called man of God that brought him back to life. . . . .

Testimonies or LIES, Can you put your money where you mouth is?

philip0906:

Mazaje in d house again with his usual "half-baked" questions and "illogical" assumptions. . .u like going round d corner 2 make your points.billydkidd,made some real good points,dat can be asserted by many,including me.All u have 2 do,is go c how true,not sending errands or trying d "feeding bottle" style.

I have never seen God,but billions have felt him and felt his presence.Have u ever felt d "big bang" not 2 talk of seeing it?what stops d big bang 4rm occuring 2day,since it is a random thing?just like your cohorts told us we evolved 4rm monkeys,yet monkeys have gone extinct and so cannot evolve again?

But u believe stephen hawking assumptions?u believe d inconsistencies dat science gives?

and what evidences have your cohorts provided?all d so-called assumptions contradict themselves,even stephen hawking has contradicted himselfand your evidence 2 show there is no spiritual matter is what?2billion plus people including me,know and have felt it that there is a spiritual matter,so how d'u disprove it?

typical u.look around u,u'll c,cos I have seen hundreds of similar cases with my own eyes,even here on nland and on d journals.

dats what u do best,sending people on errands.U have google with u,u could simply check it up.Infact,u might not c this particular one,but numeerous others,in nigeria and beyond 2 u its a lie,but 2 us we have felt it and seen in with our own very eyes. . .your being alive 2day,is your own testimony and not a lie ;

Billdkidd made no point at all. . . . . . .He just came around saying things that are NOT true. . . . . .

What is this?. . . .You claim you have never seen God, and I know you have never heard from any God, you ONLY believe because you have been made to believe, no body has ever come into this world with the automatic knowledge of any God, people have to be thought about the version of God that is been acceptable in their society or culture. . . . .Feeling God is all in your head just as many have felt aliens and have been abducted by aliens. . . . .Muslims feel Allah just as Hindus feel their own Hindu Gods ,no?. . . .By the way you don't even know anything about evolution because  LOT of Christians believe in evolution go figure. . . . . .Now there are people that label themselves as theistic evolutionist. . . .

At least science has never claimed to be all knowing, but you believe in the words of man that have been shown to be false so many times who claim that they have some special knowledge from some unknown all knowing deity, no?

So your evidence for spiritual matter is what you feel and what you believe?. . . .More than 4 billion people do not believe in your spiritual matter or the version of your spiritual matter hypothesis, so if we are to go with numbers it means you are on the wrong side, no?

My friend stop telling lies, do you have any verifiable evidence for any of your assertions, yes or no?

Why is it so hard for you? Just tell me the name of the person and the adress s that we can verify and know that you are NOT lying? People are known for always telling lies on behalf of their Gods and religion all the time, so i Just want to know if you are not lying, which is what most of you guys d ALL the time. . . . .(fake miracles and all)

aletheia:

. . .Hawkings is a profoundly brilliant man but he is still just a man.

mazaje:

. . .Hawkings is only a man so he has no authority on anything when it comes to the knowledge of the creation of the universe. . .

imhotep:

THE LITTLE FISH >>>

LITTLE FISH (in the ocean): “Excuse me, you are older than I, so can you tell me where to find [/b]this thing they call the [b]ocean?”

BIG FISH: “The ocean [/b]is the thing you are in [b]now.”

LITTLE FISH: “Oh, this? But this is water. What I’m seeking is the ocean”

* * * * * * * * * * * *

Stop searching, little fish. There isn’t anything to look FOR. All you have to do is REALLY OPEN YOUR EYES AND LOOK.

Jenwitemi:

With the eyes of the little fish opened wide, it will see the ocean, alright. As long as the little fish does not put on the goggle of religion to see through.

imhotep:

. . . Or the dark googles of atheism (like Mr Hawkings) that makes one make definitive comments about a Universe that has not been fully understood.

Jenwitemi:

They are all dark goggles, imhotep. As long as one sits tight in a box - whatever that box may be, religious or atheist - the goggle will always be dark and nothing will be seen.