vonxe:

Yeah the bassa are seen as hausas.

Yujin:

You know already. Inasmuch as I'll like it to be part of Western Nigeria, I don't see its feasibility. Before colonial interruption, she was already under the caliphate. That was Afonja's fault not mine. Only the indigenes of Illorin can say otherwise and if anything I saw from the few I've met matters, I don't think they're looking westwards.

MetaPhysical:


Nigeria practixes British civil law. Were the people and land we call Nigeria today British? No!

Caliphate in Nigeria started around 1807. Ilorin had existed as a center of Islamic learning long before that. Alimi became the cleric of Ilorin (not Emir) around 1827. Ilorin remained in Yoruba hands until around 1900 when British put it under Northern Protectorate. Ilorin never had an Oba. Automatically the Fulani muslim cleric assumed Emirship after joining the protectorate. The land, the culture, the religion, the language are all Yoruba. It would have to be reclaimed through conquest or through political concession. No other way but it's reclamation is possible.

MetaPhysical:
It is indigeneous to Oworo (Yorubas) and dated far back into the age of NOK civilization. The town was formerly under protection of Ife Empire. It was an old trading post but began receiving settlers dislocated from other regions by war and conflicts and is why today Lokoja has diversity quarters belonging to different ethnic groups in North.

Ebira and Igala are Yoruboid groups themselves.

In fact the Igala say Lokoja is a compressed word and in their language it means in full "Lowa Ka Je Eja" (translated - come let us eat fish). In Yoruba come let us eat fish is Wa Ka Je Eja.

MetaPhysical:


Nigeria practixes British civil law. Were the people and land we call Nigeria today British? No!

Caliphate in Nigeria started around 1807. Ilorin had existed as a center of Islamic learning long before that. Alimi became the cleric of Ilorin (not Emir) around 1827. Ilorin remained in Yoruba hands until around 1900 when British put it under Northern Protectorate. Ilorin never had an Oba. Automatically the Fulani muslim cleric assumed Emirship after joining the protectorate. The land, the culture, the religion, the language are all Yoruba. It would have to be reclaimed through conquest or through political concession. No other way but it's reclamation is possible.

Yujin:

I don't want to appear like a fulani advocate but your insincerity is making me appear so. How come a centre of such in those days will have no ruler over her? I don't think so. You carefully avoided the mentioning of Afonja despite his notorious story. Alimi was similar to Fodio in that he was a clergy in an area under the control of another but he eventually usurped the throne. Don't rewrite history. One of the places the British encountered a commendable military organization during the military conquest of Nigeria was in Illorin and they were under a fulani emir. It's on record. The British had to use a better tactic to subdue the charging cavalry of Ilorin which was hitherto destined for Oshogbo after their first attempt failed. Don't come here to change history. The emir at Ilorin pointed to Sokoto as his superior that's why the British kept is so.
I agree with you that the only two ways to get it back is either through conquest (Which I think isn't feasible) or political concession(most likely but for a more better deal). Lol

Yujin:

I don't want to appear like a fulani advocate but your insincerity is making me appear so. How come a centre of such in those days will have no ruler over her? I don't think so. You carefully avoided the mentioning of Afonja despite his notorious story. Alimi was similar to Fodio in that he was a clergy in an area under the control of another but he eventually usurped the throne. Don't rewrite history. One of the places the British encountered a commendable military organization during the military conquest of Nigeria was in Illorin and they were under a fulani emir. It's on record. The British had to use a better tactic to subdue the charging cavalry of Ilorin which was hitherto destined for Oshogbo after their first attempt failed. Don't come here to change history. The emir at Ilorin pointed to Sokoto as his superior that's why the British kept is so.
I agree with you that the only two ways to get it back is either through conquest (Which I think isn't feasible) or political concession(most likely but for a more better deal). Lol

MetaPhysical:

I was at Lokoja yesterday, my home town and there is only one king, the Maigari of Lokoja. Google the Olu of Iworo and you will see that he doesn't exist.
I didn't say I was in Lokoja for 100 years but that my family, from Grand father till date we have over 100 year history



There are two leaderships in Lokoja. The maigari is on the Hausa side and they rule over the Nupe, both are settlers. There is Olu of Iworo, no one rules above him, he is over the aborigenes.

You cant be in Lokoja 100yrs and not know this, unless you are fake.

mamdanju:
PPalale in hausa means Rock that is very hard to break. Ask the hausa well diggers what it is and they will confirm to you what I said. Youre right, I am not strictly a hausa but babarbare (kanuri) but since we were born in Lokoja we grew up speaking hausa.

mamdanju:
Lokoja belongs to the Hausas and the Nipes. The Falele name you are talking about means Rock in hausa. Other streets such as kabawa was dominated by fishermen from Kebbi, Madabo was street of the scholars. There is another Madabo in kano,. Unguwan yashi means sand street in hausa. Pati is mountain in Nupe. The Paramount ruler of Lokoja is a hausa man addressed as the Maigari (owner) of Lokoja. Even the name Lokoja is a hausa name like Abuja. This issue has been settled at the supreme court already. Please do your homework well. Ask around. Check this Wikipedia link for further information.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lokoja

Yujin:

I don't want to appear like a fulani advocate but your insincerity is making me appear so. How come a centre of such in those days will have no ruler over her? I don't think so. You carefully avoided the mentioning of Afonja despite his notorious story. Alimi was similar to Fodio in that he was a clergy in an area under the control of another but he eventually usurped the throne. Don't rewrite history. One of the places the British encountered a commendable military organization during the military conquest of Nigeria was in Illorin and they were under a fulani emir. It's on record. The British had to use a better tactic to subdue the charging cavalry of Ilorin which was hitherto destined for Oshogbo after their first attempt failed. Don't come here to change history. The emir at Ilorin pointed to Sokoto as his superior that's why the British kept is so.
I agree with you that the only two ways to get it back is either through conquest (Which I think isn't feasible) or political concession(most likely but for a more better deal). Lol

mamdanju:


It appears you have problem with comprehension. You also lack manners. You mean you did not read the part that say "The Nupe and Zazzau emirs agree with the Hausas to be the leader, while the Nupe to be the religion leader as chief imam of Lokoja"

My family have over 100 years history of living in Lokoja, so I know its history very well.

mamdanju:
Palale in hausa means Rock that is very hard to break. Ask the hausa well diggers what it is and they will confirm to you what I said. Youre right, I am not strictly a hausa but babarbare (kanuri) but since we were born in Lokoja we grew up speaking hausa.


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You are a bloody fake!

The Hausas in Lokoja were chased out of their enclaves in North during Jihad. They escaped and settled South, some were exiled by new Fulani rulers. They were given comfort and abode by the Oworos.

There is an Olu of Iworo and is the ruler over indigenes. Maigari only rules the settler quarters.

Dutse is Hausa for rock. I suspect you are not Yoruba, not Hausa, not Nupe, not even a resident of Lokoja but you are a third interest trying to subdue truth with fake and false info.