There are four types of tithes mandated unda Mosaic institution for Israelites, Mal. 3:10-11, Deut. 12:17-21, Deut. 26:12-13, Num. 18:24-28. Danger involved is that there is CURSE on anyone who practices one and not all, Deut 27:26, Gal.3:10-11. Saddening, and pathetic enough, our pastors only mention 1, yet there is a more LIFE DAMAGING CURSE on anyone, for doing one, and not doing all than d devourer(crop pests), we noise.

We are no more living under the mosaic law anymore, it saddens my hrt that people don't read their bibles, all they do is what oga GO tells them.

Henry22:
We are no more living under the mosaic law anymore, it saddens my hrt that people don't read their bibles, all they do is what oga GO tells them.

I get angry when people say we are no longer under the mosaic law anymore. They make it sound as if we were under the laws of Moses before. No we have always been under the laws of God.

Now, you saw we are no longer under the mosaic law. Why not go and read Leviticus 18 and make sure you break all the laws written there. Make sure you have sex with your mother, sister, daughter and aunt, since you are no longer under the mosaic law.

Let me show you that you are actually the one who doesn't read his Bible, you only followed what you read on the internet.

Most of those against tithing often love to say it has been replaced with free-will giving in the new testament. Ask them to show you where such is written that it has been a replaced, they got mute. Yes, the New Testament does talk about free-will giving as seen below

2 Corinthians 9:7
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give ; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Acts 4:34-35 (KJV)
Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.


But is free-will giving something that's only new to the New Testament? No, because it also existed in the Old Testament.

Exodus 36:3-5 (KJV)
And they received of Moses all the offering, which the children of Israel had brought for the work of the service of the sanctuary, to make it withal. And they brought yet unto him free offerings every morning.
And all the wise men, that wrought all the work of the sanctuary, came every man from his work which they made;
And they spake unto Moses, saying, The people bring much more than enough for the service of the work, which the LORD commanded to make.


As seen above, the people brought freewill offerings to the house of God in the days of Moses to the point that Moses had to command then to stop because the house of God had already gotten more than enough.

Yet, people tend to make it seem like freewill givings is a new testament thing. Look, Jesus commanded tithing in Mathew 23:23. In that verses he had the perfect opportunity to put an end to it, but instead he endorsed it.

You can. chose to not pay your tithe, but going about preaching against it is like praying for double punishment.

Henry22:
We are no more living under the mosaic law anymore, it saddens my hrt that people don't read their bibles, all they do is what oga GO tells them.

do you know that 300 years before the mosaic law was given, Abraham tithe to Melchizedek, and 200 years later Jacob tithe to God ? .what 90% cannot solve can 10% solve ? and if 90% did actually solve it, why complain about the 10% ? it just show how your heart is completely tie up to your money and not God.

Do not lay your treasure here on earth says the Bible, humans are naturally greedy, and when you brave enough to give 10% of your hard earn money to the church or the needy. it mean your heart is not completely tie up to your money but to God, therefore you are laying your treasure in heaven. bro tithe is good but it is not the requirement to make heaven.

alBHAGDADI:


I get angry when people say we are no longer under the mosaic law anymore. They make it sound as if we were under the laws of Moses before. No we have always been under the laws of God.

Now, you saw we are no longer under the mosaic law. Why not go and read Leviticus 18 and make sure you break all the laws written there. Make sure you have sex with your mother, sister, daughter and aunt, since you are no longer under the mosaic law.

Let me show you that you are actually the one who doesn't read his Bible, you only followed what you read on the internet.

Most of those against tithing often love to say it has been replaced with free-will giving in the new testament. Ask them to show you where such is written that it has been a replaced, they got mute. Yes, the New Testament does talk about free-will giving as seen below

2 Corinthians 9:7
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give ; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Acts 4:34-35 (KJV)
Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.


But is free-will giving something that's only new to the New Testament? No, because it also existed in the Old Testament.

Exodus 36:3-5 (KJV)
And they received of Moses all the offering, which the children of Israel had brought for the work of the service of the sanctuary, to make it withal. And they brought yet unto him free offerings every morning.
And all the wise men, that wrought all the work of the sanctuary, came every man from his work which they made;
And they spake unto Moses, saying, The people bring much more than enough for the service of the work, which the LORD commanded to make.


As seen above, the people brought freewill offerings to the house of God in the days of Moses to the point that Moses had to command then to stop because the house of God had already gotten more than enough.

Yet, people tend to make it seem like freewill givings is a new testament thing. Look, Jesus commanded tithing in Mathew 23:23. In that verses he had the perfect opportunity to put an end to it, but instead he endorsed it.

You can. chose to not pay your tithe, but going about preaching against it is like praying for double punishment.

you know the problem about you people?
You fail to subject your scriptures under reasoning when you read. Subjecting scriptures under reasoning is what daddy freeze has done to some extent and that is what all the daddy GO's supporting tithing has failed to do.

Now let me remind you of this : nothing doctrine is permanent in Christianity. The time has come when tithing will fade away, the time has come when churches will stop distorting money from people in the name of tithing and seed sowing, ofcourse you know that in developed nations currenty nobody is talking about tithing anymore, even the church young people don't go anymore. What makes you think Africa will remain different in the coming times?

People are getting knowledge and understanding everyday and they are going towards the right direction. Tithing is backward direction which is also gradually fading away among the new generation African churches let the old generation keep it up they will soon become old and die off like some Israelites who died old in the wilderness for 40 years not reaching the promise land, I am sure you don't want to be part of that.

paxonel:
you know the problem about you people?
You fail to subject your scriptures under reasoning when you read. Subjecting scriptures under reasoning is what daddy freeze has done to some extent and that is what all the daddy GO's supporting tithing has failed to do.

Now let me remind you of this : nothing doctrine is permanent in Christianity. The time has come when tithing will fade away, the time has come when churches will stop distorting money from people in the name of tithing and seed sowing, ofcourse you know that in developed nations currenty nobody is talking about tithing anymore, even the church young people don't go anymore. What makes you think Africa will remain different in the coming times?

People are getting knowledge and understanding everyday and they are going towards the right direction. Tithing is backward direction which is also gradually fading away among the new generation African churches let the old generation keep it up they will soon become old and die off like some Israelites who died old in the wilderness for 40 years not reaching the promise land, I am sure you don't want to be part of that.

You just said nothing to justify your stance that tithing is not biblical.

Yes, tithing is fading away because people are no longer tithing, according to you. That doesn't mean it has stopped being the commandment of God.

Tithing is not the only commandment of God that you should say is fading away. The commandment against homosexuality is also fading away. But in all honesty, they are not fading away. They are just no longer being obeyed by people anymore.

So, because Western Nations no longer obey the law against homosexuality, it now means it is no longer a commandment of God?

Can you see the flaws in your reasoning?

The knowledge you say people are getting is not the one from God. If it was from God, they won't stop tithing.

You also foolishly claim that no doctrine in Christianity is permanent. What a shameless person you are to call yourself a Christian when Jesus himself said no jot shall pass away from the law until all be fulfilled. All doctrines shall remain regardless of whether people over them or not.

Threatening people with curses and deaths because they question what you teach shows you have something up your sleeves. Why the curses? Why? I really don't get this at all. Bible prescription is that we give a defence when asked or questioned. I Peter 3:15; "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear.''

Give a defense or keep quiet. Cursing people means you cannot explain. That's the sad reality. A lot of people cannot explain what they preach because they just received them as traditions handed down by their predecessors...

alBHAGDADI:


I get angry when people say we are no longer under the mosaic law anymore. They make it sound as if we were under the laws of Moses before. No we have always been under the laws of God.

Now, you saw we are no longer under the mosaic law. Why not go and read Leviticus 18 and make sure you break all the laws written there. Make sure you have sex with your mother, sister, daughter and aunt, since you are no longer under the mosaic law.

Let me show you that you are actually the one who doesn't read his Bible, you only followed what you read on the internet.

Most of those against tithing often love to say it has been replaced with free-will giving in the new testament. Ask them to show you where such is written that it has been a replaced, they got mute. Yes, the New Testament does talk about free-will giving as seen below

2 Corinthians 9:7
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give ; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Acts 4:34-35 (KJV)
Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.


But is free-will giving something that's only new to the New Testament? No, because it also existed in the Old Testament.

Exodus 36:3-5 (KJV)
And they received of Moses all the offering, which the children of Israel had brought for the work of the service of the sanctuary, to make it withal. And they brought yet unto him free offerings every morning.
And all the wise men, that wrought all the work of the sanctuary, came every man from his work which they made;
And they spake unto Moses, saying, The people bring much more than enough for the service of the work, which the LORD commanded to make.


As seen above, the people brought freewill offerings to the house of God in the days of Moses to the point that Moses had to command then to stop because the house of God had already gotten more than enough.

Yet, people tend to make it seem like freewill givings is a new testament thing. Look, Jesus commanded tithing in Mathew 23:23. In that verses he had the perfect opportunity to put an end to it, but instead he endorsed it.

You can. chose to not pay your tithe, but going about preaching against it is like praying for double punishment.

NOT UNDER "LAWS FOR, OR TO" BUT UNDER "LAWS BECAUSE OF"

It looks like there is ample misconstruing in some quarters as to whether the Christian is under divine laws or not. Truth of the matter according to the bible as revealed in the Christ message is that the believer is never one based on legalistic righteousness obtainable by performance based obedience to a written code like it was under the old testament, where the man that doeth them shall live by them (Rom 10:4).

We are not under laws to get God's righteousness, because it is impossible to be justified by a written code, hence the justified man, or the man made righteous is made so by faith and not works: the just shall live and not be condemned because of faith in God, the justifier and not works of obedience to a set of laws. (Heb.10:38; Gal. 2:16; 3:11; Rom.1:17).

We are however under divine laws, commandments or new testament prescriptions after we have become saved by grace through faith. I call them "rules for the new creation". It looks like we cannot operate Christianity well till we follow new testament recommendations, laws, or prescriptions on how to walk and to please the Lord (Col.1:9-10, l Thess.4:17, I John 2:6, John 15:12, 17).

To live ones life in wanton disregard for bible new testamental rules licentiously and carelessly because we are under grace and not under law is irrant ignorance. We are not under law to obtain salvation, but after we have become saved, we come under the laws or commandments of Christianity. This not a guarantee or yardstick to loosing or to 'making heaven', because for being "Christians in Christ", we are already members of heaven, who dwell with Christ in God (Col 3:1-3), but who physically live on earth for now.

As Pastors, Church leaders, and managers, let us shun manipulative schemes and procedures of exploiting vulnerable parishioners under the deciet of trying to make them rich, or richer, whereas the ultimate is trickery to enrich our own filthy pockets. Let us run from filthy lucre, and feed the flock of God willingly, i Peter 5:1-3.

Let us teach the people how to walk in the supernatural dimension of making wealth on this earth without cajoling them to give us what they have first. Let us refrain from compelling them to sow seeds to God, whereas we are the gods of men that devour these seeds. Tithes are devoured by men, and the finances of Christians ruined by the devourers in the church, whoare our pastors. They are sometimes worse than crop pests on our financial farmlands.They are pestilent, burdensome, bony, harsh, tempestuous on our very slim finances, and are the bane... great looters of meagre treasuries.

Let us who are pastors empower people financially, by teaching them how to become financially independent , putting God first in all things and working hard to becoming creatively ingenious and dexterous with riches. The way of great wealth on this earth is the way of hard work. Giving special offerings, sowing sacrificial seeds are just "giving, or sowing to reap" and not special money doubling magic schemes revealed to pastors. Most of the time, on the part of the pastors, they are ponzi schemes of getting richer, or getting rich quick.

I know most pastors soon end boasting that they are richer than their churches, and that church members are very stingy, but I should suppose that there was ever a time when the little offerings meant alot before the huge hard currencies came bursting sir.

Many say, after all, "no body was there when I was struggling"....hmmm. Is this really ever true? I know that there are many people who ought to be there at our time of need who run from assisting us, and I know people never seem to be at our backs when we sincerely need help financially, but I do not think it is totally true that there was not or never one person, previously aquainted with us or not, friend or family member who gave some form of aid. Someone must have been a blessing somehow, someway, someday, along the line.

Let us as Church leaders, and pastors empower church members by giving them right contacts, linking them up with right people, let us help them by facilitating their prompt academic qualifications, professional certifications, skills' acquisition, capital funding of small scale enterprise, access to loans and governmental schemes that support the youths, serving for them as guarantors. When we empower church people, we empower the church financially. ..wahooo. ...but when they become rich, and relocate, they soon forget you..never worry, you have sown the seed into their lives. Think about this: How many men remember God, yet He is still saving and healing till tomorrow. Even you, are you all round faithful and grateful to God?

Don't just keep going abroad alone, thee and thine, claiming things are not easy, only to come and give testimonials of God's goodness to you as a pastor! Assist some church members also to travel abroad. Don't come back with some huge hard currencies, discouraging us that help is not from abroad, but from above...but you keep making money from abroad!...

Let us empower church people as much as we can. But to do good and to communicate, forget not, for with such sacrifices, God is well pleased, heb 13:16. Jesus went about with philanthropic geastures,vhealing the sick...acts 10:38...This is the way. Gloooory . You cannot be worse off if many more church members become rich or richer, never rival or compete with your members financially. ..

alBHAGDADI:


You just said nothing to justify your stance that tithing is not biblical.

Yes, tithing is fading away because people are no longer tithing, according to you. That doesn't mean it has stopped being the commandment of God.

Tithing is not the only commandment of God that you should say is fading away. The commandment against homosexuality is also fading away. But in all honesty, they are not fading away. They are just no longer being obeyed by people anymore.

So, because Western Nations no longer obey the law against homosexuality, it now means it is no longer a commandment of God?

Can you see the flaws in your reasoning?

The knowledge you say people are getting is not the one from God. If it was from God, they won't stop tithing.

You also foolishly claim that no doctrine in Christianity is permanent. What a shameless person you are to call yourself a Christian when Jesus himself said no jot shall pass away from the law until all be fulfilled. All doctrines shall remain regardless of whether people over them or not.

The "laws of tithes" like several other commandments and ritualistic covenant regulations imposed upon the Israelites, till the time of reformation (Hebrews 9:10, when all things are made throughly right), which were instituted under the Old Testament have been cancelled. When I write that it is out of place to operate Christianity under the law of tithes and all other laws of the Old Testament that have been abolished, I am not saying so because I do not believe in biblical giving, philanthropy or because I am some stingy, tight-fisted, parsimonious person.

Truth of the word or truth according to the gospel of Christ, which is the hub of bible message is that the laws of tithes and all other Old Testament laws have been cancelled, annulled, abrogated, dis-annulled and discarded. The Old Testament is useless, annihilated, no longer operational, and conveys no possible benefits anymore to anyone, anywhere in anyway on this earth, both Jews and Gentiles.

For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect , but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God (Heb. 7:18-19). This is not descriptive of some laws, but all of the old test regulations and stipulated commandments.

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh (Romans 8:3-4). How do we conclude that this same son is complementary to the laws that have been abolished. The former regulation has been set aside, described as old, antiquated, destroyed, removed, and invalidated (Hebrews 8:13).

By Jesus all that believe are justified from all things from which they could not be justified by the laws of Moses (Acts 13:39). If Abraham hath whereof to boast, because he was justified by works on some grounds, NOT BEFORE GOD (Rom. 4:2). The law is of sin, because it is not of faith (Romans 10:5; Romans 14:23).

Do you not hear the law, ye that desire to be under the law, the law has been cast out (Galatians 4:21-31), and there is no more law to keep or that is operational under the Old Testament, for till this day, even when the Old Testament is read, a veil covers their blinded minds, for until this day, remains the same veil untaken away in the reading of the Old Testament, which veil is done away in Christ (2 Corinthians 3:13-15).

The Old Testament is no longer workable, because not only are the two testaments mutually exclusive, also, the New Testament invalidates, repudiates and cancels the Old Testament, for if the Old Testament is still operational to the tiniest degree of possibility, then the New Testament is false. If tithers have any special benefits attached to tithing, which they spiritually derive outside of the non-tithes sensitive earthly principle of 'sowing and reaping', (Genesis 8:22, 2 Corinthians 9:6, Galatians 6:7), then the New Testament is a lie, a hoax or a fluke, useful only for miracle mongers, that many church handlers have turned into today.

I met a number of people read some portion of psalms into water, for drinking to get a miracle-healing...hogwash, nonsense. I want you to be cautious, for what David at psalms describes as deliverance is not New Testament deliverance, and what David calls 'enemies round about' is not the same as it is today. What David calls 'salvation' is not New Testament salvation, many times. The bible is absolute in its clear Christocentricity, and you had better read the bible in the Christ's message. Search the scriptures, for in them you think that you have eternal life, but these are the words which speak about Christ, the message of God, in whom we have life (John 5:39).

On the possibility of a free will rejection of Jesus after that the Christian is probably convinced otherwise; this would have been reasonable if accepting the finished work on the cross, by faith in Christ's death and resurrection left us ordinary, without any trace of divine transformation.

The process of salvation is however divinely supernatural and irreversible, for it would take a literal second suffering of death on the cross for the glorified Son of God to reverse salvation. If you cannot get Christ back to the cross like he went the first time, you CANNOT REVERSE SALVATION, OR LOSE IT.

alBHAGDADI:


You just said nothing to justify your stance that tithing is not biblical.

exactly, I know that.

Yes, tithing is fading away because people are no longer tithing, according to you. That doesn't mean it has stopped being the commandment of God.

we all read in the bible that it was commandment for the Jewish tribe. Now, there were several other tribes of the gentiles which tithing was never a commandment to them. So there is no point generalising that because one law was for the Jews therefore it should be for the gentiles.

Tithing is not the only commandment of God that you should say is fading away.

very true

The commandment against homosexuality is also fading away.

was there any such commandment against homosexuality given to the Jews in the old testament?
I didn't see that?

Anyway, homosexuality isn't good enough analogy to make in relation to tithing as it is a personal sin which only affect the people practicing it unlike tithing which affects a large number of Christians negatively in such a way that they are ignorant of the negative effect thinking they are being favoured.

But in all honesty, they are not fading away. They are just no longer being obeyed by people anymore.

http://richardjohnbr..com/2018/02/resisting-tithes.html?m=1, and read the focused screen shot below

Tithing was abolished in England and whales and most developed and educated nations a long time ago, it is gradually creaping into Africa because Africans are gradually becoming educated and have started becoming inquisitive, example is daddy freeze.

So, because Western Nations no longer obey the law against homosexuality, it now means it is no longer a commandment of God?

I have said it, there is no analogy between tithing and homosexuality based on how they affect people. Your question is like saying because the western nations no longer conducting Jewish sacrifices of the old testament it now means sacrifices was not God's law to the Jews in old testament?

Can you see the flaws in your reasoning?

there are no flaws, think over it again.

You also foolishly claim that no doctrine in Christianity is permanent. What a shameless person you are to call yourself a Christian

there is no point committing ad hominem focus on the issue we are talking not me.

when Jesus himself said no jot shall pass away from the law until all be fulfilled.

there you go again misunderstanding Jesus statement.
The jews have paid their tithes and conducted their sacrifices in the old testament,those laws have already been fulfilled in the old testament therefore Jesus was right saying no law shall pass away until they are fulfilled. but the good thing today is, Christ has come to make these laws obsolete, that means they are of no use anymore. Hebrews 8:13

All doctrines shall remain regardless of whether people over them or not.

lets see how long you will last on this fight you are fighting Christ for some financial benefits of distorting fellow Christians in church.

djoguns:

The "laws of tithes" like several other commandments and ritualistic covenant regulations imposed upon the Israelites, till the time of reformation (Hebrews 9:10, when all things are made throughly right), which were instituted under the Old Testament have been cancelled. When I write that it is out of place to operate Christianity under the law of tithes and all other laws of the Old Testament that have been abolished, I am not saying so because I do not believe in biblical giving, philanthropy or because I am some stingy, tight-fisted, parsimonious person.

Truth of the word or truth according to the gospel of Christ, which is the hub of bible message is that the laws of tithes and all other Old Testament laws have been cancelled, annulled, abrogated, dis-annulled and discarded. The Old Testament is useless, annihilated, no longer operational, and conveys no possible benefits anymore to anyone, anywhere in anyway on this earth, both Jews and Gentiles.

For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect , but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God (Heb. 7:18-19). This is not descriptive of some laws, but all of the old test regulations and stipulated commandments.

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh (Romans 8:3-4). How do we conclude that this same son is complementary to the laws that have been abolished. The former regulation has been set aside, described as old, antiquated, destroyed, removed, and invalidated (Hebrews 8:13).

By Jesus all that believe are justified from all things from which they could not be justified by the laws of Moses (Acts 13:39). If Abraham hath whereof to boast, because he was justified by works on some grounds, NOT BEFORE GOD (Rom. 4:2). The law is of sin, because it is not of faith (Romans 10:5; Romans 14:23).

Do you not hear the law, ye that desire to be under the law, the law has been cast out (Galatians 4:21-31), and there is no more law to keep or that is operational under the Old Testament, for till this day, even when the Old Testament is read, a veil covers their blinded minds, for until this day, remains the same veil untaken away in the reading of the Old Testament, which veil is done away in Christ (2 Corinthians 3:13-15).

The Old Testament is no longer workable, because not only are the two testaments mutually exclusive, also, the New Testament invalidates, repudiates and cancels the Old Testament, for if the Old Testament is still operational to the tiniest degree of possibility, then the New Testament is false. If tithers have any special benefits attached to tithing, which they spiritually derive outside of the non-tithes sensitive earthly principle of 'sowing and reaping', (Genesis 8:22, 2 Corinthians 9:6, Galatians 6:7), then the New Testament is a lie, a hoax or a fluke, useful only for miracle mongers, that many church handlers have turned into today.

I met a number of people read some portion of psalms into water, for drinking to get a miracle-healing...hogwash, nonsense. I want you to be cautious, for what David at psalms describes as deliverance is not New Testament deliverance, and what David calls 'enemies round about' is not the same as it is today. What David calls 'salvation' is not New Testament salvation, many times. The bible is absolute in its clear Christocentricity, and you had better read the bible in the Christ's message. Search the scriptures, for in them you think that you have eternal life, but these are the words which speak about Christ, the message of God, in whom we have life (John 5:39).

On the possibility of a free will rejection of Jesus after that the Christian is probably convinced otherwise; this would have been reasonable if accepting the finished work on the cross, by faith in Christ's death and resurrection left us ordinary, without any trace of divine transformation.

The process of salvation is however divinely supernatural and irreversible, for it would take a literal second suffering of death on the cross for the glorified Son of God to reverse salvation. If you cannot get Christ back to the cross like he went the first time, you CANNOT REVERSE SALVATION, OR LOSE IT.

As I saw the bold part in your write-up, I just gave up on you. The below verse totally destroys your view.


2 Timothy 3:16
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

paxonel:
exactly, I know that.
we all read in the bible that it was commandment for the Jewish tribe. Now, there were several other tribes of the gentiles which tithing was never a commandment to them. So there is no point generalising that because one law was for the Jews therefore it should be for the gentiles.
very true
was there any such commandment against homosexuality given to the Jews in the old testament?
I didn't see that?

Anyway, homosexuality isn't good enough analogy to make in relation to tithing as it is a personal sin which only affect the people practicing it unlike tithing which affects a large number of Christians negatively in such a way that they are ignorant of the negative effect thinking they are being favoured.
http://richardjohnbr..com/2018/02/resisting-tithes.html?m=1, and read the focused screen shot below

Tithing was abolished in England and whales and most developed and educated nations a long time ago, it is gradually creaping into Africa because Africans are gradually becoming educated and have started becoming inquisitive, example is daddy freeze.
I have said it, there is no analogy between tithing and homosexuality based on how they affect people. Your question is like saying because the western nations no longer conducting Jewish sacrifices of the old testament it now means sacrifices was not God's law to the Jews in old testament?
there are no flaws, think over it again.
there is no point committing ad hominem focus on the issue we are talking not me.
there you go again misunderstanding Jesus statement.
The jews have paid their tithes and conducted their sacrifices in the old testament,those laws have already been fulfilled in the old testament therefore Jesus was right saying no law shall pass away until they are fulfilled. but the good thing today is, Christ has come to make these laws obsolete, that means they are of no use anymore. Hebrews 8:13
lets see how long you will last on this fight you are fighting Christ for some financial benefits of distorting fellow Christians in church.

Concerning homosexuality, there was something in the law against it. It's somewhere in Leviticus or so. I'll look for the reference and bring it here...

alBHAGDADI:


I get angry when people say we are no longer under the mosaic law anymore. They make it sound as if we were under the laws of Moses before. No we have always been under the laws of God.

Now, you saw we are no longer under the mosaic law. Why not go and read Leviticus 18 and make sure you break all the laws written there. Make sure you have sex with your mother, sister, daughter and aunt, since you are no longer under the mosaic law.

Let me show you that you are actually the one who doesn't read his Bible, you only followed what you read on the internet.

Most of those against tithing often love to say it has been replaced with free-will giving in the new testament. Ask them to show you where such is written that it has been a replaced, they got mute. Yes, the New Testament does talk about free-will giving as seen below

2 Corinthians 9:7
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give ; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Acts 4:34-35 (KJV)
Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.


But is free-will giving something that's only new to the New Testament? No, because it also existed in the Old Testament.

Exodus 36:3-5 (KJV)
And they received of Moses all the offering, which the children of Israel had brought for the work of the service of the sanctuary, to make it withal. And they brought yet unto him free offerings every morning.
And all the wise men, that wrought all the work of the sanctuary, came every man from his work which they made;
And they spake unto Moses, saying, The people bring much more than enough for the service of the work, which the LORD commanded to make.


As seen above, the people brought freewill offerings to the house of God in the days of Moses to the point that Moses had to command then to stop because the house of God had already gotten more than enough.

Yet, people tend to make it seem like freewill givings is a new testament thing. Look, Jesus commanded tithing in Mathew 23:23. In that verses he had the perfect opportunity to put an end to it, but instead he endorsed it.

You can. chose to not pay your tithe, but going about preaching against it is like praying for double punishment.

Please did Matthew 23 v 23 endorse monetary tithes as practiced in the church today?

MEANWHILE;

When pro-tithers are ready to show us where God specifically mentioned money as part of the items to be tithed, then they should know that monetary tithing is unscriptural.




When God required money for the needs of the Temple, He specifically mentioned where all Israelite males should be levied a temple tax of half a shekel every year. That was an instance of God clearly asking for money.

Refer to Exodus 30 v 13-16 for where God gave the instruction through Moses;

13 This shall every man give, that goeth into the number, half a shekel, after the [a]shekel of the Sanctuary: (a shekel is twenty gerahs) the half shekel shall be an offering to the Lord.
14 All that are numbered from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering to the Lord.
15 The rich shall not pass, and the poor shall not diminish from half a shekel, when ye shall give an offering unto the Lord, for the redemption of your lives.
16 So thou shalt take the money of the redemption of the children of Israel, and shalt put it unto the use of the Tabernacle of the Congregation, that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the Lord, for the redemption of your lives.

BASED ON THE ABOVE, IT WAS CLEAR WHEN & HOW GOD ASKED FOR MONEY TO MAINTAIN THE TEMPLE...




NOW LET US EXAMINE GOD'S REQUIREMENT FOR TITHES BELOW;

Refer to Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29;

22 Thou shalt give the tithe of all the increase of thy seed, that cometh forth of the field year by year.
23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God (in the place which he shall choose to cause his Name to dwell there) the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstborn of thy kine, and of thy sheep, that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.
24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it, because the place is far from thee, where the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name, when the Lord thy God shall bless thee,
25 Then shalt thou make it in money, and take the money in thine hand, and go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose.
26 And thou shalt bestow the money for whatsoever thine heart desireth: whether it be ox, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatsoever thine heart desireth: and shalt eat it there before the Lord thy God, and rejoice, both thou, and thine household.
27 And the Levite that is within thy gates, shalt thou not forsake: for he hath neither part nor inheritance with thee.
28 At the end of three years thou shalt [e]bring forth all the tithes of thine increase of the same year, and lay it up within thy gates.
29 Then the Levite shall come, because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee, and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, and shall eat, and be filled, that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

Based on the above verses, God clearly mentioned what is titheable, and money was not part of the items to be tithed.

IN CONCLUSION:
Any fraudster that comes with the excuse that money was not in use because the Israelites were predominantly farmers and cattle rearers...should read Exodus 30 v 13-16 and explain to us why God demanded money from these same Israelites...but specified crops and livestock as tithes in Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29;

Also, I'll be waiting for scriptural references where God made tithing mandatory for gentiles as well.

OkCornel:


Concerning homosexuality, there was something in the law against it. It's somewhere in Leviticus or so. I'll look for the reference and bring it here...

thanks!
I want to see it too, it may be in Leviticus

alBHAGDADI:


As I saw the bold part in your write-up, I just gave up on you. The below verse totally destroys your view.


2 Timothy 3:16
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

Concerning your theory on the Law. In Paul's letter to Timothy, he clearly mentioned who the Law is meant for;

1 Timothy 1 v 8-11;


8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
9 We also know that law [1] is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,
10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers--and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine



alBHAGDADI, do you count yourself as part of those in verse 9 and 10 that the Law applies to?

OkCornel:


Please did Matthew 23 v 23 endorse monetary tithes as practiced in the church today?

The first time tithe was mentioned in the Bible (Abraham's tithe) was money excluded? What you know as tithing, was it included when Abaham tithed? So how dare you exclude money when God hasn't excluded it?

Don't expect any response from me.

OkCornel:



Concerning your theory on the Law. In Paul's letter to Timothy, he clearly mentioned who the Law is meant for;

1 Timothy 1 v 8-11;


8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
9 We also know that law [1] is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,
10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers--and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine



alBHA.GDADI, do you count yourself as part of those in verse 9 and 10 that the Law applies to?

I'm part of those in verse 8 who see the law as good and use it properly. But you antithers are the ones against the law as mentioned in verse 9 and 10

goodbye

paxonel:
thanks!
I want to see it too, it may be in Leviticus

Leviticus 18 v 22;

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

alBHAGDADI:


I'm part of those in verse 8 who see the law as good and use it properly. But you antithers are the ones against the law as mentioned in verse 9 and 10

goodbye

Time to run away again?

1) Where in the Law does it state that money can be collected as tithes?

2) Per the scripture I quoted in 1 Timothy 1 v 8-9, do you belong to the category of people the Law applies to?

alBHAGDADI:


As I saw the bold part in your write-up, I just gave up on you. The below verse totally destroys your view.


2 Timothy 3:16
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

The bible is christocentric; the entirety of scripture in revelation, core, pith, hub, cardinality and message is "Jesus, as the will of God." The message of salvation offered by a holy God through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is the truth of the bible lucidly manifested. Concepts, rules, commandments,, dictates, orders, principles do no define under the Old Testament in anyway:
also, cross testament interpretation of the bible is not allowed. Concepts and words only define in the New Testament. Jesus said, you search the scriptures diligently, thinking in them you would have eternal life....hmmm...but these are the words that speak about me. The bible contains the gospel, but it is the gospel that reveals the bible. (John 5:39-40, I Peter 1:25). The Old Testament writings precedes the New Testament writings, but it is in the new we get to understand the old. The old is a shadow!
"Grace" defines only in the New Testament! I have heard many strands definitions of the word "Grace" as used in the bible lately, and I have wondered why we have so much spiritual illiteracy predicated on several extra biblical platforms....
Grace in the bible simply defines as God's merciful kindness in forgiving us our sins. It is the same as salvation, redemption, the 'gift of eternal life". The grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men. Grace is God's graciousness, ceasing to cleanse, and to stop having any form of repel or resentfulness towards us. You must not define grace in any other way!
Some people have seemingly discovered grace as a new threshold for the end time.Well, new discovery for you, but the same old time message of God through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I overheard a popular preacher say that 'Grace' is a new apostolic realm in the body of Christ, and that for him, it a an unclear path....whatever this means, I know that I have been preaching Grace for a long time as described in the bible

alBHAGDADI:


The first time tithe was mentioned in the Bible (Abraham's tithe) was money excluded? What you know as tithing, was it included when Abaham tithed? So how dare you exclude money when God hasn't excluded it?

Don't expect any response from me.

Because you know that further responses from you would exposed the lies you've been propagating on tithing!


Now you hastily ran to use Abraham's instance of tithing as an example;


1) Apart from the warspoils, did Abraham tithe from his possessions?

2) Should Abraham's once in a lifetime voluntary tithe from warspoils serve as a basis for Christians to part with 10% of their monthly income?

3) Where exactly in the Law did God demand money as tithes?

alBHAGDADI:


The first time tithe was mentioned in the Bible (Abraham's tithe) was money excluded? What you know as tithing, was it included when Abaham tithed? So how dare you exclude money when God hasn't excluded it?

Don't expect any response from me.

Bro, Jesus himself never paid tithe likewise his disciples, if tithing was to be integral he would have stated it categorically like tax and free will giving.

djoguns:


The bible is christocentric; the entirety of scripture in revelation, core, pith, hub, cardinality and message is "Jesus, as the will of God." The message of salvation offered by a holy God through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is the truth of the bible lucidly manifested. Concepts, rules, commandments,, dictates, orders, principles do no define under the Old Testament in anyway:
also, cross testament interpretation of the bible is not allowed. Concepts and words only define in the New Testament. Jesus said, you search the scriptures diligently, thinking in them you would have eternal life....hmmm...but these are the words that speak about me. The bible contains the gospel, but it is the gospel that reveals the bible. (John 5:39-40, I Peter 1:25). The Old Testament writings precedes the New Testament writings, but it is in the new we get to understand the old. The old is a shadow!
"Grace" defines only in the New Testament! I have heard many strands definitions of the word "Grace" as used in the bible lately, and I have wondered why we have so much spiritual illiteracy predicated on several extra biblical platforms....
Grace in the bible simply defines as God's merciful kindness in forgiving us our sins. It is the same as salvation, redemption, the 'gift of eternal life". The grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men. Grace is God's graciousness, ceasing to cleanse, and to stop having any form of repel or resentfulness towards us. You must not define grace in any other way!
Some people have seemingly discovered grace as a new threshold for the end time.Well, new discovery for you, but the same old time message of God through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I overheard a popular preacher say that 'Grace' is a new apostolic realm in the body of Christ, and that for him, it a an unclear path....whatever this means, I know that I have been preaching Grace for a long time as described in the bible

Try to make yourself clear next time. There's no gain in writing a load of unclear message. It ends up as junk.

djoguns:


Bro, Jesus himself never paid tithe likewise his disciples, if tithing was to be integral he would have stated it categorically like tax and free will giving.

Jesus doesn't need to pay tithe same way he didn't need to sacrifice any lamb. He was the High Priest Melchizedec who received tithe from Abraham, same way he's the Holy Lamb that takes away the sins of the world.

Because it was never written that the disciples paid tithes doesn't mean they didn't pay. It was never written that they went to the toilet. Should we now conclude that they didn't go to the toilet? Can you see your folly?

alBHAGDADI:


Try to make yourself clear next time. There's no gain in writing a load of unclear message. It ends up as junk.

Bro what is not clear?

alBHAGDADI:


Jesus doesn't need to pay tithe same way he didn't need to sacrifice any lamb. He was the High Priest Melchizedec who received tithe from Abraham, same way he's the Holy Lamb that takes away the sins of the world.

Because it was never written that the disciples paid tithes doesn't mean they didn't pay. It was never written that they went to the toilet. Should we now conclude that they didn't go to the toilet? Can you see your folly?

Bro there is no place in scripture that was written that anyone went to toilet, whiich means is not important because is human nature to visit tue toilet. Tax was imprtant and it was ckearly stated by jesus, free willl given was equally important and propagated my jesus, his death made the old testament obsolete and the old testament can only gain relevance in the light of the new testament. That is anything in the scripture that is not center on christ is useless. Bro you cant gain anything from the scripture if you feel ot should be this way, just open ur mind and free it from preceptions and u will gain more from reading the word.
Secondly, anything that is relevant to christain living was mentioned by christ and his discpiples and tithe was not one because it is not relevant.

djoguns:

Bro there is no place in scripture that was written that anyone went to toilet, whiich means is not important because is human nature to visit tue toilet. Tax was imprtant and it was ckearly stated by jesus, free willl given was equally important and propagated my jesus, his death made the old testament obsolete and the old testament can only gain relevance in the light of the new testament. That is anything in the scripture that is not center on christ is useless. Bro you cant gain anything from the scripture if you feel ot should be this way, just open ur mind and free it from preceptions and u will gain more from reading the word.
Secondly, anything that is relevant to christain living was mentioned by christ and his discpiples and tithe was not one because it is not relevant.

Who was talking in Mathew 23:23?

Those who benefit from tithes will fight dirty to defend it.

All these arguments about tithing should have stopped by now that we are privileged to have more spiritual knowledge. The whole thing about the Mosaic law should be from the Principles. The law is the Precept. The Principles point to the Precepts and the Precepts point to the Person (Jesus Christ).

If you must understand the Precepts, acquaint yourself with the Spirit behind the Principles who then teaches you about the Person. Once you understand the Principle behind tithing, then you should know that in the Covenant of Grace, it also applies but not as a Law. The Principle simply is about supporting God's works and giving to the less privileged from what God has graciously given you according to the LEADING OF THE SPIRIT not according to the LAW.

alBHAGDADI:


Who was talking in Mathew 23:23?

Are you ready to show us where God demanded for money as tithes?

Even Matthew 23 v 23 was still talking of tithes in respect to agro-produce...