UceeGod:
All these arguments about tithing should have stopped by now that we are privileged to have more spiritual knowledge. The whole thing about the Mosaic law should be from the Principles. The law is the Preset. The Principles point to the Presets and the Presets point to the Person (Jesus Christ).

If you must understand the Presets, acquaint yourself with the Spirit behind the Principles who then teaches you about the Person. Once you understand the Principle behind tithing, then you should know that in the Covenant of Grace, it also applies but not as a Law. The Principle simply is about supporting God's works and giving to the less privileged from what God has graciously given you according to the LEADING OF THE SPIRIT not according to the LAW.

God bless you for this apt submission

alBHAGDADI:


Who was talking in Mathew 23:23?

Bro, thats why i told you when you read the scripture be open minded, when you read the bible you must read it contextually, understanding the concept and the contents. The scripture you refer to is not encouraging us to pay tithe, instead from the context u will discover that the entire chapter is discouraging christains from obeying the law which is no longer relevant as u can see below
23Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, pretenders (hypocrites)! For you give a tenth of your mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected and omitted the weightier (more important) matters of the Law--right and justice and mercy and fidelity. These you ought [particularly] to have done, without neglecting the others
The wightier matter is christ

Alright

djoguns:


Bro, thats why i told you when you read the scripture be open minded, when you read the bible you must read it contextually, understanding the concept and the contents. The scripture you refer to is not encouraging us to pay tithe, instead from the context u will discover that the entire chapter is discouraging christains from obeying the law which is no longer relevant as u can see below
23Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, pretenders (hypocrites)! For you give a tenth of your mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected and omitted the weightier (more important) matters of the Law--right and justice and mercy and fidelity. These you ought [particularly] to have done, without neglecting the others
The wightier matter is christ

Please tell alBHAGDADI to read 1 Timothy 1 v 8-11 and let him tell us who the law is meant for...


Thanks

alBHAGDADI:
You just said nothing to justify your stance that tithing is not biblical.

Yes, tithing is fading away because people are no longer tithing, according to you. That doesn't mean it has stopped being the commandment of God.

Tithing is not the only commandment of God that you should say is fading away. The commandment against homosexuality is also fading away. But in all honesty, they are not fading away. They are just no longer being obeyed by people anymore.

So, because Western Nations no longer obey the law against homosexuality, it now means it is no longer a commandment of God?

Can you see the flaws in your reasoning?

The knowledge you say people are getting is not the one from God. If it was from God, they won't stop tithing.

You also foolishly claim that no doctrine in Christianity is permanent. What a shameless person you are to call yourself a Christian when Jesus himself said no jot shall pass away from the law until all be fulfilled. All doctrines shall remain regardless of whether people over them or not.

"... guys, you dont seem to know nwanne, my customer mi, daada ni, nwanne alBHAGDADI.

Let me introduce you to who alBHAGDADI is and what he stands for. He is a certified and bonafide pharisaical, intolerant, bigoted, narrow-minded, small-minded tithe merchant who validates, spreads and promotes obligatory or imposed ecclesiastical monitised tithing and by cherry picking, would with great effort or energy, say and do anything or something to have legal right or a just claim to receive or have something to do with the sense of entitlement to obligatory or imposed ecclesiastical monitised tithing. All this, his posts upandan the forum, about old testament laws being valid etcetera, is a ruse, a ruse for tithing, an exercise in smoke and mirrors for me.

He is my very good customer. We have regular transactions together. The most recent one, I have asked him many times over, to please and kindly in a way that a two year old can understand, that's if at all if he really does know, to soon explain to us, the reason behind why, in the Bible, God said cross dressing is an abomination to Him and that women should abstain from wearing what belongs to men, likewise men what belongs to women, but this request seems to be hard and difficult for him to deliver and give answers to"
- Re: Daddy Freeze Hails Pastor Abel Damina For Saying Women Can Wear Trousers by MuttleyLaff: 3:41pm On Apr 09

When in relation to obligatory or imposed ecclesiastial monitised tithing, this my dear nwanne man is beyond hope/redemption and just so incorrigible. You can see from the above inverted commas quote, how much of a fundamentalist alBHAGDADI is, if it isnt about women wearing what belongs to men or vice versa, it is going to be a non existent law against homosexuality. The truth and fact is that tithing, it isnt a matter of fading away, but it is dead, nailed away on the cross, but somebody like alBHAGDADI, has this so much unhealthy sense of entitlement to tithing, that he is hellbent on having it resurrected

""If you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years;
but on the seventh he shall go out as a free man without payment."
- Exodus 21:2

"If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do."
- Exodus 21:7

"⁴⁴‘As for your male and female slaves whom you may have—you may acquire male and female slaves from the pagan nations that are around you.
⁴⁵‘Then, too, it is out of the sons of the sojourners who live as aliens among you that you may gain acquisition, and out of their families who are with you, whom they will have produced in your land; they also may become your possession.
⁴⁶‘You may even bequeath them to your sons after you, to receive as a possession; you can use them as permanent slaves"
- Leviticus 25:44-46a

alBHAGDADI watch this, since the scriptures Exodus 21:2 and Exodus 21:7 above, are from God, is it OK for us, to sell our daughters as slaves? huh? Or from Leviticus 25:44-46a above, is it OK to acquire male and female slaves, even give as a gift to our sons after us, hmm? Own goal issa goal. Can you now see alBHAGDADI, how much you stubbornly, still believe, in the Dark Ages instead of Light?

alBHAGDADI you are invited to:
https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult

djoguns:


Bro, thats why i told you when you read the scripture be open minded, when you read the bible you must read it contextually, understanding the concept and the contents. The scripture you refer to is not encouraging us to pay tithe, instead from the context u will discover that the entire chapter is discouraging christains from obeying the law which is no longer relevant as u can see below
23Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, pretenders (hypocrites)! For you give a tenth of your mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected and omitted the weightier (more important) matters of the Law--right and justice and mercy and fidelity. These you ought [particularly] to have done, without neglecting the others
The wightier matter is christ

You not only lack the Holy Spirit but you are also an illiterate who can't comprehend.

Where in the passage you quoted did Jesus say we shouldn't tithe because we have taken up the weightier matters of the law?

Rather, Jesus said we should not neglect tithing after we have taken up the weightier matters of the law. Now go back and read Mathew 23:23 again to see that Jesus said we should not neglect tithing.

UceeGod:
All these arguments about tithing should have stopped by now that we are privileged to have more spiritual knowledge. The whole thing about the Mosaic law should be from the Principles. The law is the Precept. The Principles point to the Precepts and the Precepts point to the Person (Jesus Christ).

If you must understand the Precepts, acquaint yourself with the Spirit behind the Principles who then teaches you about the Person. Once you understand the Principle behind tithing, then you should know that in the Covenant of Grace, it also applies but not as a Law. The Principle simply is about supporting God's works and giving to the less privileged from what God has graciously given you according to the LEADING OF THE SPIRIT not according to the LAW.

Tithing is not according to the leading of the spirit. I bet you can't show a verse to support such fallacy. Tithing is according to the commandment if God. That's why it has a measurement which must be adhered to.

UceeGod:
All these arguments about tithing should have stopped by now that we are privileged to have more spiritual knowledge. The whole thing about the Mosaic law should be from the Principles. The law is the Precept. The Principles point to the Precepts and the Precepts point to the Person (Jesus Christ).

If you must understand the Precepts, acquaint yourself with the Spirit behind the Principles who then teaches you about the Person. Once you understand the Principle behind tithing, then you should know that in the Covenant of Grace, it also applies but not as a Law. The Principle simply is about supporting God's works and giving to the less privileged from what God has graciously given you according to the LEADING OF THE SPIRIT not according to the LAW.

This is what I will agree to, tithing is of choice it's not a "must" even the rewards of giving to the needy is by far more than the rewards for tithe that's if there's any cos the Bible clearly states that when you give to the less privileged you have reward in heaven. Don't let any fraudster deceive you that if u don't part with your money as tithe to him you won't make heaven. ADEBOYE

alBHAGDADI:


You not only lack the Holy Spirit but you are also an illiterate who can't comprehend.

Where in the passage you quoted did Jesus say we shouldn't tithe because we have taken up the weightier matters of the law?

Rather, Jesus said we should not neglect tithing after we have taken up the weightier matters of the law. Now go back and read Mathew 23:23 again to see that Jesus said we should not neglect tithing.

You that has the holy spirit, please show us in the scriptures where God demanded money as tithes...

alBHAGDADI:


Tithing is not according to the leading of the spirit. I bet you can't show a verse to support such fallacy. Tithing is according to the commandment if God. That's why it has a measurement which must be adhered to.

And where did God command non-Jews to tithe?

Where did God demand money as tithes?

OkCornel:

And where did God command non-Jews to tithe?
Where did God demand money as tithes?

Was Abraham a Jew?
Do you even know who a Jew is?
Go and also Abraham your second question

OkCornel:


You that has the holy spirit, please show us in the scriptures where God demanded money as tithes...

Show us where God didn't demand money as tithe.

Don't forget Abraham tithed All, which must have included money.

alBHAGDADI:


Show us where God didn't demand money as tithe.

Don't forget Abraham tithed All, which must have included money.

Abraham tithed all...abi he tithed warspoils?

Besides... Abraham once in a lifetime voluntary tithe from warspoils should serve as a basis for Christians to part with 10% of their monthly monetary income?

alBHAGDADI:


Was Abraham a Jew?

Do you even know who a Jew is?

Go and also Abraham your second question

Wow, you want to show us where God commanded Abraham to tithe?


Can you also show us where in the Bible God made tithing compulsory for people to do apart from the Jews?



FINALLY, SHOW US WHERE GOD DEMANDED FOR MONEY AS TITHE!

In Mathew 23:23, Jesus had the perfect opportunity to abolish tithing, but he didn't. Before we go into that, let's see the case of the Samaritan woman.

The Samaritan woman said her forefathers worshiped in her city which is against the believes if the Jews who said worship is only done in Jerusalem. That was a dispute. What did Jesus say?

John 4:20-21 King James Version (KJV)
20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

As clearly seen, Jesus saw the opportunity to take a stance on where people need to worship henceforth, and he took it. He clearly made it known that we can worship God anywhere.

But look at Mathew 23:23, he had the chance to either abolish tithing or uphold it. Guess what? He uphold it.

Matthew 23:23 (KJV)
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

As seen above, Jesus said to observe the weightier matters of the law and not to neglect tithing as well.

Some my cleverly say that the mosaic law was still very much in practice then, that's why he spoke of it. Guess what? The mosaic law was also very much in practice when he also spoke against worship being a Jerusalem thing alone. He spoke of what will happen shortly, which is God will no longer require people to worship in Jerusalem alone. Why didn't he say tithing too will soon stop being accepted by God when he had the opportunity to say so in Mathew 23:23? That's to show you that it will always stand.

Someone tell that Satanists to stop asking g me where God commanded monetary tithing. He should go and ask Abraham who gave a tithe of all. All means all, and all is all what all means. This could include money.

Genesis 14:20
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

alBHAGDADI:

In Mathew 23:23, Jesus had the perfect opportunity to abolish tithing, but he didn't. Before we go into that, let's see the case of the Samaritan woman.

The Samaritan woman said her forefathers worshiped in her city which is against the believes if the Jews who said worship is only done in Jerusalem. That was a dispute. What did Jesus say?

John 4:20-21 King James Version (KJV)
20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

As clearly seen, Jesus saw the opportunity to take a stance on where people need to worship henceforth, and he took it. He clearly made it known that we can worship God anywhere.

But look at Mathew 23:23, he had the chance to either abolish tithing or uphold it. Guess what? He uphold it.

Matthew 23:23 (KJV)
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

As seen above, Jesus said to observe the weightier matters of the law and not to neglect tithing as well.

Some my cleverly say that the mosaic law was still very much in practice then, that's why he spoke of it. Guess what? The mosaic law was also very much in practice when he also spoke against worship being a Jerusalem thing alone. He spoke of what will happen shortly, which is God will no longer require people to worship in Jerusalem alone. Why didn't he say tithing too will soon stop being accepted by God when he had the opportunity to say so in Mathew 23:23? That's to show you that it will always stand.

Someone tell that Satanists to stop asking g me where God commanded monetary tithing. He should go and ask Abraham who gave a tithe of all. All means all, and all is all what all means. This could include money.

Genesis 14:20
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

1) Matthew 23 v 23: Please tell us a tithe of mint, dill (anise) and cummin is now monetary tithe..



To further expose the garbage of lies you keep claiming that Abraham gave a tithe of all... Let's see what the scriptures specified as Abraham's tithe...


You fraudulently stopped at quoting Genesis 14 v 20;

Even after over a thousand years of this transaction, even the author of Hebrews specified Abraham gave a tithe of warspoils... And not "ALL HE HAD"

Hebrews 7 v 4;
Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils.


Besides, since you want to follow the Abraham style of tithing, do you also retain the 90% to yourself?

OkCornel:



1) Matthew 23 v 23: Please tell us a tithe of mint will and cummin is now monetary tithe..



To further expose the garbage of lies you keep claiming that Abraham gave a tithe of all... Let's see what the scriptures specified as Abraham's tithe...


You fraudulently stopped at quoting Genesis 14 v 20;

Even after over a thousand years of this transaction, even the author of Hebrews specified Abraham gave a tithe of warspoils... And not "ALL HE HAD"

Hebrews 7v4;
Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the [a]spoils.


Besides, since you want to follow the Abraham style of tithing, do you also retain the 90% to yourself?

Stop masturbating with my Monika by quoting me up and down.


Go and get a girl.

OkCornel:



1) Matthew 23 v 23: Please tell us a tithe of mint will and cummin is now monetary tithe..



To further expose the garbage of lies you keep claiming that Abraham gave a tithe of all... Let's see what the scriptures specified as Abraham's tithe...


You fraudulently stopped at quoting Genesis 14 v 20;

Even after over a thousand years of this transaction, even the author of Hebrews specified Abraham gave a tithe of warspoils... And not "ALL HE HAD"

Hebrews 7v4;
Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the [a]spoils.


Besides, since you want to follow the Abraham style of tithing, do you also retain the 90% to yourself?

War spoils was an increase to Abraham and he gave a tenth percent of it to God. War spoils is part of possession, he didn't steal it. He earned it by fighting for it with his life. After the victory, which he knew wasn't all his doing, he decided to give God ten percent to recognize God as the one behind the victory.

alBHAGDADI:


Show us where God didn't demand money as tithe.

Don't forget Abraham tithed All, which must have included money.

This is how we now know people that don't study the scriptures...

Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29;

22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee:

25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose:

26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

27 And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.

28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:

29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.


alBHAGDADI, the part of the scripture I bolded in red, does it show you that God demanded money as tithe?

LifestyleTonite:


War spoils was an increase to Abraham and he gave a tenth percent of it to God. War spoils is part of possession, he didn't steal it. He earned it by fighting for it with his life. After the victory, which he knew wasn't all his doing, he decided to give God ten percent to recognize God as the one behind the victory.

That is not the point of the argument. alHAGDADI is fraudulently claiming Abraham gave a tithe of all. All of what?

1) His entire possessions OR
2) Warspoils...


Please answer the question for him...

alBHAGDADI:


Stop masturbating with my Monika by quoting me up and down.


Go and get a girl.

Yeah... a Christian is encouraging me to "get a girl"...

OkCornel:


Yeah... a Christian is encouraging me to "get a girl"...

Looooooooooooooooooool.

You just had a very loud collision with a "FRESH WINE INSIDE AN OLD WINE SKIN."

Anti-tithe people you guys should let alBHAGDADI and his cohorts be. Your duty is to pray that God by His Holy Spirit through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, open the eyes of the weak, ignorant and those of little understanding in Christendom to come into the knowledge of the truth because these are people they entertain with their wrong scriptural interpretations and doctrines that are not of Christ. Their mouths will be shut like Jannes and Jambres and that time is near.

NB: Before Abraham paid tithe, PRIEST MELCHIZEDEK GAVE HIM BREAD AND WINE!!!!!!

Thanks.

God bless.

Agrogbeide:
Looooooooooooooooooool.

You just had a very loud collision with a "FRESH WINE INSIDE AN OLD WINE SKIN."

Anti-tithe people you guys should let alBHAG.DADI and his cohorts be. Your duty is to pray that God by His Holy Spirit through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, open the eyes of the weak, ignorant and those of little understanding in Christendom to come into the knowledge of the truth because these are people they entertain with their wrong scriptural interpretations and doctrines that are not of Christ. Their mouths will be shut like Jannes and Jambres and that time is near.

NB: Before Abraham paid tithe, PRIEST MELCHIZEDEK GAVE HIM BREAD AND WINE!!!!!!

Thanks.

God bless.

@bold

The job you got your tithe money from, was it not God that gave it to you?

You think it's all your doing? You need to have a chat with those in the grave.

alBHAGDADI:


@bold

The job you got your tithe money from, was it not God that gave it to you?

You think it's all your doing? You need to have a chat with those in the grave.

You know it's only your church members and maybe other gullible believers that will hearken to your tithe story... Lol

If you are collecting tithe alBHAGDADI make sure you are also giving bread and wine. Also encourage your cohorts to do same.

alBHAGDADI:


@bold

The job you got your tithe money from, was it not God that gave it to you?

You think it's all your doing? You need to have a chat with those in the grave.

And to all those believers who are also faithful serving God but spent over 5 years searching for jobs...it was God that made them jobless abi?

By the way, please where did God demand money as tithe?

Agrogbeide:
Looooooooooooooooooool.

You just had a very loud collision with a "FRESH WINE INSIDE AN OLD WINE SKIN."

Anti-tithe people you guys should let alBHAGDADI and his cohorts be. Your duty is to pray that God by His Holy Spirit through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, open the eyes of the weak, ignorant and those of little understanding in Christendom to come into the knowledge of the truth because these are people they entertain with their wrong scriptural interpretations and doctrines that are not of Christ. Their mouths will be shut like Jannes and Jambres and that time is near.

NB: Before Abraham paid tithe, PRIEST MELCHIZEDEK GAVE HIM BREAD AND WINE!!!!!!

Thanks.

God bless.

Per the bolded, a big amen to that prayer. As we pray, we would never keep shut, everyone's eyes and ears must be opened and walk away from all these deceitful doctrines...

tpacalipse:
Those who benefit from tithes will fight dirty to defend it.

Very coorect bro

OkCornel:


Per the bolded, a big amen to that prayer. As we pray, we would never keep shut, everyone's eyes and ears must be opened and walk away from all these deceitful doctrines...

Abraham given was out of his own will not my compulsion. Tithe is obsolete and should be discarded. What is now the reality is given out of free will

OkCornel:


And to all those believers who are also faithful serving God but spent over 5 years searching for jobs...it was God that made them jobless abi?

By the way, please where did God demand money as tithe?

If I show you the implication of what you just said, you will immediately twist it to say I'm putting words in your mouth.

You are mocking believers who have been seeking for job for 5 years. It's the same as saying where is their God. If you were alive in the days of Joseph you would have asked him where his God was when he was lounging in prison.

Show me where God said money should never be part of tithe

djoguns:

Abraham given was out of his own will not my compulsion. Tithe is obsolete and should be discarded. What is now the reality is given out of free will

Where did Jesus Christ make it obsolete?

Quote the verse here or forever remain a liar and a person saying what God never said.

alBHAGDADI:


Where did Jesus Christ make it obsolete?

Quote the verse here or forever remain a liar and a person saying what God never said.

Mattew 23:23

djoguns:


Mattew 23:23

Jesus upheld tithing in that verse. He said we should not neglect it.

Matthew 23:23 King James Version (KJV)
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.