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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 9:18am On Jun 18
MuttleyLaff:
Shepherd00, as you can see everything that this my dedicated over zealous fan types or says is scam, even his good morning, apart from the rain checking I told you about, should also be investigated henceforth. Look at him lying through his teeth. It just keeps on making up lies, where is it verbatim, when and where I typed that "I had SCRIPTURES that shows where God permits homosexual acts", hmm? SMH. Even the alleged Naomi and Ruth one, he is now chomping teeth because it is a fabricated big fat lie. It wasnt me.

The question he asks are dead simple questions, littered all over the Bible. Will only cross that bridge when we come to it, not and never before anyway.

Doesnt even know that it has nothing to do with needing assistance, winning anything, likes, supportive comments, being disgraced or not being disgraced etcetera. Nah, nothing at all to remotely do with anything like that. I am just pleased to be a source of enjoyment for you, it is a blessing to be that for you. Thank you very much for the privilege

I have too many things to preoccupy myself than make accusations against some one!
Oya Oga Muttleylaff.....deal with your vomit..... grin

When i asked that his submissions be backed by scriptures,this was his assertive response;
MuttleyLaff:

SCRIPTURES are already coming on the thread from ME, more FAST and FURIOUS to come,the minute TV01 begins to answer those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him


This is what OP said after i kept asking about God's approval of homosexual acts.....

MuttleyLaff:

God SEES NOTHING UNTOWARD in consensual adult homosexuality, homosexuals/lesbians and/or same sex attraction and union(s), especially one that is in, a kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, not harmful and committed life long until death do them part relationships


Nevertheless,he finally succumbed and made a "super story" confession... cheesy

MuttleyLaff:
Listen, because I am not going to REPEAT myself, I didnt open this thread to "reel out 'SCRIPTURES' that proves that God permits, tolerates and love homosexual acts!". The title of the thread is self explanatory enough, so please, get that straight. Thank you very much.

MuttleyLaff:

I have said this before, that,at appropriate times, appropriate SCRIPTURES will be shared

Now the inventor of lies is now rejecting his own wasted saliva!
You too much! grin grin

Muttleylaff Me no get time for your jejune behaviour!
Stop hiding behind someone and face me! tongue tongue

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 9:24am On Jun 18
^^^^
Please for crying out loud, can someone please tell me how the alleged "I had SCRIPTURES that shows where God permits homosexual acts" correlates with what this time waster, time stealer over zelous fan and heckler has put up there, hmmm? SMH. I wash my hands off and wouldnt be commenting on the lies again. Mtchew.

Where did I say?: "I had SCRIPTURES that shows where God permits homosexual acts". I know your Dad, is all I say. I really do.
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 9:29am On Jun 18
MuttleyLaff:


Doesnt even know that it has nothing to do with needing assistance, winning anything, likes, supportive comments, being disgraced or not being disgraced etcetera. Nah, nothing at all to remotely do with anything like that. I am just pleased to be a source of enjoyment for you, it is a blessing to be that for you. Thank you very much for the privilege
Ohh really?
You cc'ed a guy(abi na lady) when it was apparent that you were being consumed by my stance,you were told not to disturb him/her!
You still called your legion of atheists to help you with likes and comments!
One tried to remain unshaken but had to give up due to valid points made by others!
Even a friend whom muttleylaff constantly kept cc'ing disgraced and warned muttleylaff never to cc him again!
Today,he has not repented grin grin
He is still cc'ed another person....so that he can relax from the barrage of questions he is facing!
Okay if you dont need support and you are a MOPOL grin grin why do you still cc another person?
Abi the guy or lady no see the first one you do? grin grin
No wonder he only types and releases in the wee hours of the night when no one will instantly reply him grin grin
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 9:46am On Jun 18
MuttleyLaff:
^^^^
Please for crying out loud, can someone please tell me how the alleged "I had SCRIPTURES that shows where God permits homosexual acts" correlates with what this time waster, time stealer over zelous fan and heckler has put up there, hmmm? SMH. I wash my hands off and wouldnt be commenting on the lies again. Mtchew.

Where did I say?: "I had SCRIPTURES that shows where God permits homosexual acts". I know your Dad, is all I say. I really do.
It seems you suddenly lack comprehension skills over night just to hide your face in shame! grin grin

Okay lets study small english comprehension with this small dialogue...
Openmine: Op please scriptures buttress your point that God permits homosexual acts!

MuttleyLaff: SCRIPTURES are already coming on the thread from ME, more FAST and FURIOUS to come as soon as TV01 answers my questions...

Openmine: Where are the scriptures?

MuttleyLaff: You just first, show me, in the Bible, where a decent recipe for nkwobi or isiewu is then I'll oblige you, tell or show you, where God permits, tolerates and love homosexual acts in the Bible.

Openmine: You are wasting my time...where are the scriptures that proves God welcomes homosexual acts?

Muttleylaff: Listen, because I am not going to REPEAT myself, I didnt open this thread to "reel out 'SCRIPTURES' that proves that God permits, tolerates and love homosexual acts!

Openmine: If you dont have scriptures to prove your assertions,then you are wrong!

muttleylaff: Ogbeni openmine, lets rewind. Wipe slate clean OK?

Openmine:Are you still insistent that you have scriptures to prove God permits homosexual acts?

Muttleylaff:I have said this before, that,at [b]appropriate
times, appropriate SCRIPTURES will be shared

Atleast i have proof,Do you?

When i asked for scriptures,did i say so in this thread or in another thread!
Anyone can go to the first three pages and find out what you said!
Like what everyone has unearthed about your pathetic self,you make remarks that you later reject only to turn around and accuse someone of 'strawman mining'

When you are dealing with a prevaricator and a liar like OP,make sure his very words are copied for safe keeping incase he decides to reject them!
tongue tongue

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 10:00am On Jun 18
@^^^^^
My lawyer will love this my over zealous dedicated heckler fan in a court of law with this his fabricated lie statement he alleged that I made. He has no proof except for making lies up trying to stitch me up with them. My lawyer will have a field day with him and the judge will throw out the notorious made up lie out of his court and give him a good telling off for wasting everyone's time. Now I know this chap is a bona fide, certified and konfam "ase"

Must he know everything or the reason I do things, hmm, the mister nosey parker. OK, I and that poster go way back, on another thread, where he/she asked me pertinent question and since after done an AWOL, now that I had content that I think the poster should be aware of, I cc'ed the poster, that's what I do, whenever I cc posters, it's just to let them be aware of the content and/or information therein.
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 10:25am On Jun 18
MuttleyLaff:
@^^^^^
My lawyer will love this my over zealous dedicated heckler fan in a court of law with this his fabricated lie statement he alleged that I made. He has no proof except for making lies up trying to stitch me up with them. My lawyer will have a field day with him and the judge will throw out the notorious made up lie out of his court and give him a good telling off for wasting everyone's time. Now I know this chap is a bona fide, certified and konfam "ase"

Must he know everything or the reason I do things, hmm, the mister nosey parker. OK, I and that poster go way back, on another thread, where he/she asked me pertinent question and since after done an AWOL, now that I had content that I think the poster should be aware of, I cc'ed the poster, that's what I do, whenever I cc posters, it's just to let them be aware of the content and/or information therein.
You talk too much!
That's why you easily forget what you say! grin
I have proof,you have nothing but long posts that indicate and show nothing!
Go back and see the trail of your loquacious exploits!
Way back ke.....grin
Didn't you cc that same person just like everyone else initially?
Must you keep forcing someone to show up in your thread when the person doesn't want to?

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 10:32am On Jun 18
@^^^^
As I've been saying, it's my way of doing a FYI to the posters I cc. As for budaatum, that you keep referring to, he doesn't understand this, that's why he got grouchy and because of lies you make about that I opened the thread, to talk or give scriptures of God supporting homosexuality, which isn't and was never the case. I opened the thread to deconstruct lies and myth, just as the subject title heading of the thread says. The buck of the thread ends with me, I dictate the tune, not me dancing to yours or anyone's tune. Capisce?

You have no records, no proof, no evidence, you have nada. All you have is fantasy, wishful thinking I said that. It is nothing except being a figment of your lazy and warped twisted imagination. Satan will be proud of you. Satan probably now sees you as competition sef. Well done.
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by TV01(m): 11:51am On Jun 18
MuttleyLaff:
it is between two consenting adults, that are at peace with each other, at peace with God and in truth, their intentions are good, they arent doing anyone any harm, their hearts are pure, they are faithful, caring and supportive to each other, they are in love with one another until death do them apart.

The above is MuttleyLaffs constant refrain. Essentially an attempt to portray ss couples totally normal and analogous to os couples, but more insidiously, portray faithful and committed relationships as the norm for ss couples. But is this true?

I first joined NL in my research about the tithe. Having come to a different understanding to the one commonly taught in Pentecostal churches, I prayed, read and researched for greater insight.

I found the discussions on NL expansive, and much with much insight. Kudos to all those from back in the day – on either side. I see some are still fighting that battle even now grin.

But one thing that continually frustrated me, and was ultimately the reason I left the discussion, and even the section, was the refusal to move from the doctrinal to the practical. This post is to clearly evidence the practical outworking which falsifies MuttleyLaffs doctrinal thesis.

Gay relationships on the whole experience more domestic violence and more extreme violence. Gay relationships are often short lived, and partners over a lifetime can reach into the hundreds. Furtive public encounters are a hallmark, exacerbated by the use of the internet and hook-up apps.

Drug use is rampant in homosex encounters especially at more organised orgy type gatherings, another hallmark. Gay identified people have heightened indicators for use across the drug spectrum, from cigarettes, to alcohol to hallucogenics and the traditional hard drugs. Disease indicators are also elevated (search gay bowel syndrome), along with suicide ideation and an on average shorter life-span.

Having the perversion codified into law has hurt everyone. This endemic inability to remain faithful has led to calls for “monogamishness”, as gay mores infect traditional norms.

Even where there are what could be termed “committed” gay relationships, they are typically open to 3rd parties or extra-curricula encounters by the individual parties.

Case in point. Elton John and his partner recently mentioned, went to great lengths to keep details of Furnishes involvement in transatlantic orgies out of the UK press - using gagging orders and legal threats. Even as they continue to portray themselves as a model couple and family undecided.

Homosex hardly comes without attendant pathologies. And these pathologies are default behaviours, not defective as they would be considered in opposite sex relationships.

Into this comes MuttleyLaff, trying to lead astray the faithful, butcher and re-write scripture and claim Gods writ for this dysfunction and depravity. Really?

The couple in MuttleyLaffs purview are statistically insignificant, if they do indeed exist. Hence purview is utterly bogus - from a spiritual, scriptural, biological, medical, legal and social perspective as demonstrated grin.


TV

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 11:56am On Jun 18
MuttleyLaff:
@^^^^
As I've been saying, it's my way of doing a FYI to the posters I cc. As for budaatum, that you keep referring to, he doesn't understand this, that's why he got grouchy and because of lies you make about that I opened the thread, to talk or give scriptures of God supporting homosexuality, which isn't and was never the case. I opened the thread to deconstruct lies and myth, just as the subject title heading of the thread says. The buck of the thread ends with me, I dictate the tune, not me dancing to yours or anyone's tune. Capisce?

You have no records, no proof, no evidence, you have nada. All you have is fantasy, wishful thinking I said that. It is nothing except being a figment of your lazy and warped twisted imagination. Satan will be proud of you. Satan probably now sees you as competition sef. Well done.
Guy you dey fear me to even mention me?
Afraid of being replied instantly?

I dont need to dabble or say much!
Those who has taken the pains to peruse from the start to the present can verify and validate what i have said!
The way i see it,you may even deny your own moniker if you did something mischievous with it
cheesy cheesy

This is the reason why your advocates have all deserted you!
However,what shocked me most is the fact that you were seen beseeching on @Okcornel whom you had serially mocked to help see reasons with you on your homosexuality submissions in your last ditch effort to get at-least a disciple to your side!

grin grin
When i see you referring me to satan,i go through a rib-tickling session because you are unaware that satan is awesomely backing you as you have sort out to be an advocate of his plans to present homosexuality to the world as a norm!
A guy who claims God said something in his word when God hasn't said such is an advocate of the devil because you are calling God a liar!

If you could claim that our God accepts and permits homosexual acts and yet you cant prove where he said so,it simply means you are not only a liar but insincere and deceitful!

That's the more reason you prefer not to mention me because every-time,you spew lies and quibble,i am always there to unearth your double-dealings!

Please leave more trail of loquacious utterances...am really enjoying your juvenile display! cheesy cheesy

Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 12:03pm On Jun 18
OkCornel:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Paul writes:

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

In these verses Paul is describing different kinds of people who (unless they repent) will be excluded from the kingdom of God. Four kinds relate to sexual sin, and two of those specifically to homosexual behaviour. The ESV takes the latter and puts them together as “men who practice homosexuality”, while the NIV translates them as “male prostitutes and homosexual offenders”.

The first of the two terms relating to homosexuality is malakoi, which translated literally means “soft ones.” In classical literature it could be used as a pejorative term for men who were effeminate; for the younger, passive partner in a pederastic (man-boy) relationship; and to refer to male prostitutes (hence the NIV’s translation). In 1 Corinthians 6 malakoi comes in a list describing general forms of sexual sin, and the context suggests Paul is most likely using it in a broad way to refer to the passive partners in homosexual intercourse, as we are about to see.

The second term he Paul uses. is arsenokoitai. This is a compound of “male” (arsen) and “intercourse” (koites, literally “bed”). These are the two words used in the Greek translation of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, suggesting that Paul is linking back to those two passages. (Paul has already just made a connection with Leviticus in 1 Corinthians 5, where he condemns the church’s acceptance of a man living with his father’s wife using language that echoes Leviticus 18:7-8. For Paul, the sexual sins which Leviticus prohibits remain forbidden for New Testament Christians.) Arsenokoitai, then, is a general term for male same-sex sex, and its pairing with malakoi indicates that Paul is addressing both the active and passive partners in homosexual sex.


https://www.livingout.org/the-bible-and-ssa

Muttleylaff, this write up gives an extensive analysis on the words Malaikos and Arsenokoitai... and it was not just limited to temple prostitution, but even the act of homosexuality itself.


I am also yet to get your answers on my questions regarding

1) Those who turned away from homosexuality and lesbianism after encountering Jesus... are they liars? Are their testimonies lies?

2) Also, Jesus explicitly mentioned in Matthew 19 that in the beginning God made them male and female. Where and how did God modify this to approve a male/male and female/female relationship? Where in the scriptures can we get examples of same sex marriage which was approved and blessed by God (that is if there are any examples of same sex marriage)

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 12:28pm On Jun 18
TV01:
The above is MuttleyLaffs constant refrain. Essentially an attempt to portray ss couples totally normal and analogous to os couples, but more insidiously, portray faithful and committed relationships as the norm for ss couples. But is this true?

I first joined NL in my research about the tithe. Having come to a different understanding to the one commonly taught in Pentecostal churches, I prayed, read and researched for greater insight.

I found the discussions on NL expansive, and much with much insight. Kudos to all those from back in the day – on either side. I see some are still fighting that battle even now grin.

But one thing that continually frustrated me, and was ultimately the reason I left the discussion, and even the section, was the refusal to move from the doctrinal to the practical. This post is to clearly evidence the practical outworking which falsifies MuttleyLaffs doctrinal thesis.

Gay relationships on the whole experience more domestic violence and more extreme violence. Gay relationships are often short lived, and partners over a lifetime can reach into the hundreds. Furtive public encounters are a hallmark, exacerbated by the use of the internet and hook-up apps.

Drug use is rampant in homosex encounters especially at more organised orgy type gatherings, another hallmark. Gay identified people have heightened indicators for use across the drug spectrum, from cigarettes, to alcohol to hallucogenics and the traditional hard drugs. Disease indicators are also elevated (search gay bowel syndrome), along with suicide ideation and an on average shorter life-span.

Having the perversion codified into law has hurt everyone. This endemic inability to remain faithful has led to calls for “monogamishness”, as gay mores infect traditional norms.

Even where there are what could be termed “committed” gay relationships, they are typically open to 3rd parties or extra-curricula encounters by the individual parties.

Case in point. Elton John and his partner recently mentioned, went to great lengths to keep details of Furnishes involvement in transatlantic orgies out of the UK press - using gagging orders and legal threats. Even as they continue to portray themselves as a model couple and family undecided.

Homosex hardly comes without attendant pathologies. And these pathologies are default behaviours, not defective as they would be considered in opposite sex relationships.

Into this comes MuttleyLaff, trying to lead astray the faithful, butcher and re-write scripture and claim Gods writ for this dysfunction and depravity. Really?

The couple in MuttleyLaffs purview are statistically insignificant, if they do indeed exist. Hence purview is utterly bogus - from a spiritual, scriptural, biological, medical, legal and social perspective as demonstrated grin.


TV
TV01, you're smart and educated enough, live in the West, not to shamelessly descend to an all time low of being stereotypic. Are you that far removed, you have never come in contact with any SSA couples in long time standing committed, loyal, kind, loving relationship with no scandals, no drug use, no skeletons, no hanky pankies etcetera erh TV01?

I doubt you go into the world like Jesus commands us, but rather want the world to come to you, that's probably why you have a funny perspective and myopic views of SSA couples. For your information, the mention of Elton John was incidental, I could have mention a few others, like my neighbour that I l've known for over 20 years or friends and colleagues know in dedicated single SSA relationships, some even have kids, but you wouldn't know them, hence why Elton or Ricky had the mentions.

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by TV01(m): 12:39pm On Jun 18
OkCornel:
1) Those who turned away from homosexuality and lesbianism after encountering Jesus... are they liars? Are their testimonies lies?
Excellent question. You are unlikely to get an answer though. At best an indirect response, or a reference to an earlier post grin.

OkCornel:
2) Also, Jesus explicitly mentioned in Matthew 19 that in the beginning God made them male and female. Where and how did God modify this to approve a male/male and female/female relationship? Where in the scriptures can we get examples of same sex marriage which was approved and blessed by God (that is if there are any examples of same sex marriage)
Another great question. However, this has been asked repeatedly - and ignored unabashedly. Good luck.

MuttleyLaff:
TV01, you're smart and educated enough, live in the West, not to shamelessly descend to an all time low of being stereotypic. Are you that far removed, you have never come in contact with any SSA couples in long time standing committed, loyal, kind, loving relationship with no scandals, no drug use, no skeletons, no hanky pankies etcetera erh TV01?

I doubt you go into the world like Jesus commands us, but rather want the world to come to you, that's probably why you have a funny perspective and myopic views of SSA couples. For your information, the mention of Elton John was incidental, I could have mention a few others, like my neighbour that I l've known for over 20 years or friends and colleagues know in dedicated single SSA relationships, some even have kids, but you wouldn't know them, hence why Elton or Ricky had the mentions.
Possible? Yes, ubiquitous, hell no. Like I said, statistically insignificant at best. These people you are testifying about, you do not know what they do in secret. ss couples always make efforts to appear to be just like os couples - but they ain't. Na you mention EJ.

TV

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 1:09pm On Jun 18
After his numerous fans he was banking on failed him woefully and deserted him without notice,

@Muttleylaff in sifia pains right now..... undecided undecided

Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 1:38pm On Jun 18
OkCornel:
Muttleylaff, this write up gives an extensive analysis on the words Malaikos and Arsenokoitai... and it was not just limited to temple prostitution, but even the act of homosexuality itself.

I am also yet to get your answers on my questions regarding

1) Those who turned away from homosexuality and lesbianism after encountering Jesus... are they liars? Are their testimonies lies?

2) Also, Jesus explicitly mentioned in Matthew 19 that in the beginning God made them male and female. Where and how did God modify this to approve a male/male and female/female relationship? Where in the scriptures can we get examples of same sex marriage which was approved and blessed by God (that is if there are any examples of same sex marriage)

So you are happy to accept now that these scriptures had to tithing homosexual activities bordering with temple male prostituting, men dressing up with make ups, jewelleries, nails done looking like women and sexual interest in prepubescent children, hmm?

I don't need to be sign posted to websites please as, unlike you, I visit many dairy farms but make my own cheese. Summarise whatever you've found out from your researching not copy and paste plaster them here.

Listen, maybe, if you can tell me where Jesus in the Bible has disapproved tithing, I am might give in to your request. Meanwhile do I have to be keep reminding you, TV01 and everyone else of the title subject heading of the thread, hmm? It is about deconstructing, remember? Thanks

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 1:49pm On Jun 18
MuttleyLaff:
So you are happy to accept now that these scriptures had to tithing homosexual activities bordering with temple male prostituting, men dressing up with make ups, jewelleries, nails done looking like women and sexual interest in prepubescent children, hmm?

I don't need to be sign posted to websites please as, unlike you, I visit many dairy farms but make my own cheese. Summarise whatever you've found out from your researching not copy and paste plaster them here.

Listen, maybe, if you can tell me where Jesus in the Bible has disapproved tithing, I am might give in to your request. I don't have to be keep reminding you, TV01 and everyone else of the title subject heading of the thread. It is about deconstructing, remember? Thanks

grin grin grin grin
Ohh jesus!
So in a bid to grasp for breath,this guy wants to equate tithing with homosexual acts? shocked shocked
You could not even stay focused on your subject of discus,you had to outrageously bring in tithes to justify your ludicrous hypothesis!
Puerile display from a seemingly mature individual! sad sad
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 1:49pm On Jun 18
MuttleyLaff:
So you are happy to accept now that these scriptures had to tithing homosexual activities bordering with temple male prostituting, men dressing up with make ups, jewelleries, nails done looking like women and sexual interest in prepubescent children, hmm?

I don't need to be sign posted to websites please as, unlike you, I visit many dairy farms but make my own cheese. Summarise whatever you've found out from your researching not copy and paste plaster them here.

Listen, maybe, if you can tell me where Jesus in the Bible has disapproved tithing, I am might give in to your request. I don't have to be keep reminding you and everyone else of the title subject heading of the thread. It is about deconstructing, remember? Thanks

And you've thrown up tithing as a red herring which does not in any way answer my questions...


You might as well want to show us where God approved of homosexuality in the Bible... especially after his command that homosexuals should be stoned to death...


Muttley...

1) Those that turned away from homosexuality and lesbianism after encountering Jesus, should we call them liars? Are their testimonies lies?

2) Jesus said in Matthew 19 "in the beginning, God created them male and female, and for this reason, a man shall leave his father and mother, and cleave unto his wife, and they shall be one flesh"

Based on the above;

a) Where did God modify this to include a male/male relationship or a female/female relationship?

b) When are you going to show us where in the scriptures examples of same sex relationship approved by God?

c) In a same sex relationship, who is the husband and who is the wife? After all, this is straightforward to identify in a male/female relationship...


Muttley, we are waiting...

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 1:53pm On Jun 18
I think our dear father God had the likes of OP in mind when he inspired james to say the following.....


8 A DOUBLE MINDED man is UNSTABLE in ALL his WAYS.

James 1:8 (KJV)

smiley smiley

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 2:09pm On Jun 18
MuttleyLaff:
Shepherd00, as you can see everything that this my dedicated over zealous fan types or says is scam, even his good morning, apart from the rain checking I told you about, should also be investigated henceforth. Look at him lying through his teeth. Just keeps on making up lies, where is it verbatim, when and where I typed that "I had SCRIPTURES that shows where God permits homosexual acts", hmm? SMH. Even the alleged Naomi and Ruth one, he is now chomping teeth because it is a fabricated big fat lie. It wasnt me.

As I previously said, if it is only just one person, it will be worth the effort. I am not like my lovely dedicated heckler makes me out to be, saying about me "this is a game or challenge that I needed to WIN to show off". Bound to win?. No! far from it, nothing about win but I am bound to be true to the facts as they are and show themselves.

The question my lovely dedicated heckler asks are dead simple questions, the answers and/or replies are littered all over the Bible. Will only cross that bridge when I come to it, not and never before anyway.

Doesnt even know that it has nothing to do with needing assistance, winning anything, likes, supportive comments, being disgraced or not being disgraced etcetera. Nah, nothing at all to remotely do with anything like that. I am just pleased to be a source of enjoyment for you, it is a blessing to be that for you. Thank you very much for the privilege
Wait!!! are you saying you did not say God permits homosexuality? Why then is this thread in page 18? You said there are types of homosexualities.
1 The one done in Pagan Temples (sex Orgies) or the one done by male prostitutes.

2. The one that is consensual which involves adult homosexuals/lesbians and/or same sex attraction and union(s), especially one that is in, a kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, not harmful and committed life long until death do them part relationships.

You said God permits the later because He sees nothing wrong with it.

You quoted the Lord talking about Eunuchs and said He meant homosexuals. You even talked about God promising them rewards in the book of Isaiah. Do you remember saying that? Again, to proof that God indeed permits homosexuality, you said The Lord Jesus 'Highly Praised Homosexuality' above Heterosexuality.

I'm shocked now to hear you say you didn't say God permits homosexuality. I wouldn't be in this thread if you didn't say that?
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 2:28pm On Jun 18
OkCornel:

And you've thrown up tithing as a red herring which does not in any way answer my questions...


You might as well want to show us where God approved of homosexuality in the Bible... especially after his command that homosexuals should be stoned to death...


Muttley...

1) Those that turned away from homosexuality and lesbianism after encountering Jesus, should we call them liars? Are their testimonies lies?

2) Jesus said in Matthew 19 "in the beginning, God created them male and female, and for this reason, a man shall leave his father and mother, and cleave unto his wife, and they shall be one flesh"

Based on the above;

a) Where did God modify this to include a male/male relationship or a female/female relationship?

b) When are you going to show us where in the scriptures examples of same sex relationship approved by God?

c) In a same sex relationship, who is the husband and who is the wife? After all, this is straightforward to identify in a male/female relationship...

Muttley, we are waiting..
I morely, was letting you know, that unlike me that has proof of God not disapproving SSA relationships, you have no Bible verses of either God or Jesus, disapproving tithes, yet you are well known to kick against ecclesiastical and obligatory tithing. Why are you asking me of biblical proof when you haven't been able to produce such when posters like alBHAGDADI asks you for it, hmm?

You still want me to remind you of the subject titled heading of this thread, huh? Deconstructing, hmm? You do know the meaning of the word, don't you?

Please don't deflect the thread's objective and what it set out to do with your diversionary and derailing ploys. You can't say, in spite, that I haven't been accommodating and tolerating the incessant attempts to deflect and distract me from the thread's objectives.

Please let revert back to deconstructing those words that have been used to deceive many by replacing them with the word homosexual

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 2:29pm On Jun 18
MuttleyLaff:
Being a moG, is for every believer, son of God, and especially one that submits to the Holy Spirit. It means belong to God Shepherd00.

You rubbished the Romans 8:14 verse I previously quoted, like as if you're a hater. Na wa for you ooo, all this yours and my over zealous fan's venoms showing in both your attitudes, comments or behaviours
MuttleyLaff someone who submits to the Holy Spirit does not lie and falsify His Word. He is not proud and boastful, he is not arrogant and haughty. These are traits of the Evil Spirit.

Talking about behavior, look in the mirror.
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by alBHAGDADI: 2:37pm On Jun 18
MuttleyLaff:
I morely, was letting you know, that unlike me that has proof of God not disapproving SSA relationships, you have no Bible verses of either God or Jesus, disapproving tithes, yet you are well known to kick against ecclesiastical and obligatory tithing. Why are you asking me of biblical proof when you haven't been able to produce such when posters like alB.HAGDADI asks you for it, hmm?

You still want me to remind you of the subject titled heading of this thread, huh? Deconstructing, hmm? You do know the meaning of the word, don't you?

Please don't deflect the thread's objective and what it set out to do with your diversionary and derailing ploys. You can't say, in spite, that I haven't been accommodating and tolerating the incessant attempts to deflect and distract me from the thread's objectives.

Please let revert back to deconstructing those words that have been used to deceive many by replacing them with the word homosexual

@bold

I thought I was the only one who noticed the habit in that Satanist.

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 2:38pm On Jun 18
Shepherd00:

Wait!!! are you saying you did not say God permits homosexuality? Why then is this thread in page 18? You said there are types of homosexualities.
1 The one done in Pagan Temples (sex Orgies) or the one done by male prostitutes.

2. The one that is consensual which involves adult homosexuals/lesbians and/or same sex attraction and union(s), especially one that is in, a kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, not harmful and committed life long until death do them part relationships.

You said God permits the later because He sees nothing wrong with it.

You quoted the Lord talking about Eunuchs and said He meant homosexuals. You even talked about God promising them rewards in the book of Isaiah. Do you remember saying that? Again, to proof that God indeed permits homosexuality, you said The Lord Jesus 'Highly Praised Homosexuality' above Heterosexuality.

I'm shocked now to hear you say you didn't say God permits homosexuality. I wouldn't be in this thread if you didn't say that?


The bone of contention, is I was alleged to have said: "I had SCRIPTURES that shows where God permits homosexual acts", but when asked to produce verbatim where and when I made that statement, the resident over zealous dedicated heckler fan of mine is found wanting. He made an accusation, same way he did with Naomi and Ruth about me, but is unable to back either up with proof or evidence. Why would anyone descend so low and have to resort to cooking up stories about a fellow human being. Whose does that, hmm? Is he your friend or brother, because I'll say show me your company, and I'll tell you what sort of person you are.

Please I've nothing else or more to say on this matter of my over zealous fan and the antics he gets up to.

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 2:51pm On Jun 18
MuttleyLaff:
I have noticed that like Homosexual Rev M Turner of 'Church without Walls', you have rigorously tried to stir the whole context to Nomenclature rather than Act/Practice.
You have tried to make it about what terms are called while you ignore the actions performed by people in the Bible.

Let me ask you again. Does this say Prostitution or Homosexuality?

C.E.V. Genesis 19:4-9 [b] Before Lot and his guests could go to bed, every man in Sodom, young and old, came and stood outside his house and started shouting, “Where are your visitors? Send them out,
~~~~so we can have sex with them!” ~~~~

Lot went outside and shut the door behind him. Then he said, “Friends, please don't do such a terrible thing! I have two daughters who have never had sex. I'll bring them out, and you can do what you want with them. But don't harm these men.

They are guests in my home.” “Don't get in our way,” the crowd answered. “You're a foreigner. What right do you have to order us around? We'll do worse things to you than we're going to do to them.” The crowd kept arguing with Lot. Finally, they rushed toward the door to break it down.


C.E.V Judges 19:22 They were having a good time, when some worthless men of that town surrounded the house and started banging on the door and shouting, “A man came to your house tonight. Send him out, so we can have sex with him!”

Pls face the action almost taken by the men of Sodom here.

Was this an act of Prostitution whether Temple or not or an attempt to force homosex on the Angels and the man in question?

MuttleyLaff what is the relationship between the Words porneia, arsenokoites, and malakoi/malakos, and the actions of these men in these men in Sodom and in Gibeah?


I will need you to tell me that what those men wanted to do was not homosexuality.
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 2:57pm On Jun 18
MuttleyLaff:
^^^^
Please for crying out loud, can someone please tell me how the alleged "I had SCRIPTURES that shows where God permits homosexual acts" correlates with what this time waster, time stealer over zelous fan and heckler has put up there, hmmm? SMH. I wash my hands off and wouldnt be commenting on the lies again. Mtchew.

Where did I say?: "I had SCRIPTURES that shows where God permits homosexual acts". I know your Dad, is all I say. I really do.
You did. You pulled Matt out of context as a result. You mentioned David and Jonathan in 11Samuel. U said Jesus loved and approve it hence, highly praised it above Hetero-sex.
You said homosexuals were 5% and in the book of Isaiah Jehovah promised to reward them. But you ran scared saying I'd rubbish the scripture if you posted them.

Shd I post them?
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 3:10pm On Jun 18
alBHAGDADI:


@bold

I thought I was the only one who noticed the habit in that Satanist.


@ muttleylaff and alBHAGDADI are now in league with one another...

Isn't God wonderful?

a beautiful marriage between a same sex relationship advocate and a lying monetary tither...

alBHAGDADI, if truly I am a satanist, what is stopping you from saying amen to this?
OkCornel:
If truly I am a Satanist, let God take my life before the end of this month...
But if I am not a Satanist, may that same Satan continually afflict you for this false accusation you have made.
Say amen to this if you are not a coward...

Who knows...maybe you're also in support of homosexuality like Muttleylaff...

And you have the effrontery to accuse me of satanism... smh undecided


Perhaps I'll start calling you a lying homosexualist from today henceforth... cheesy

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 3:13pm On Jun 18
Shepherd00:

Wait!!! are you saying you did not say God permits homosexuality? Why then is this thread in page 18? You said there are types of homosexualities.
1 The one done in Pagan Temples (sex Orgies) or the one done by male prostitutes.

2. The one that is consensual which involves adult homosexuals/lesbians and/or same sex attraction and union(s), especially one that is in, a kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, not harmful and committed life long until death do them part relationships.

You said God permits the later because He sees nothing wrong with it.

You quoted the Lord talking about Eunuchs and said He meant homosexuals. You even talked about God promising them rewards in the book of Isaiah. Do you remember saying that? Again, to proof that God indeed permits homosexuality, you said The Lord Jesus 'Highly Praised Homosexuality' above Heterosexuality.

I'm shocked now to hear you say you didn't say God permits homosexuality. I wouldn't be in this thread if you didn't say that?

Are you perturbed?
That's his trademark!
The prevarication godfather!
The master twister!
He will say something and still deny it!
I won't be surprised if he has a car and still deny that he has one! grin
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 3:15pm On Jun 18
MuttleyLaff:
The bone of contention, is I was alleged to have said: "I had SCRIPTURES that shows where God permits homosexual acts", but when asked to produce verbatim where and when I made that statement, the resident over zealous dedicated heckler fan of mine is found wanting. He made an accusation, same way he did with Naomi and Ruth about me, but is unable to back either up with proof or evidence. Why would anyone descend so low and have to resort to cooking up stories about a fellow human being. Whose does that, hmm? Is he your friend or brother, because I'll say show me your company, and I'll tell you what sort of person you are.

Please I've nothing else or more to say on this matter of my over zealous fan and the antics he gets up to.
Pls MuttleyLaff don't lie. When you crashed into my thread claiming God was not against homosexuality, I asked you for scriptural backings to your claims. You threw in what you copied from 'www.gaychristians101. The 'Loving, faithful, consensual SSR,s. That led us to VBCampaign's thread where TV01 demanded the same from you.

Thereafter, you beat your chest so hard that many gathered and waited for ages for you to present scriptures that says God permits and approves SSRs but you brought up Mtt 19:12. and then 11Sam 1.

You even said they were types of homosexualities and God approves the other while He condemns temple prostitution.

How then can you say you were never said God permitted homosex?

Why have you been defending your stance from the beginning of this thread then?
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 3:19pm On Jun 18
Shepherd00:

Pls MuttleyLaff don't lie. When you crashed into my thread claiming God was not against homosexuality, I asked you for scriptural backings to your claims. You threw in what you copied from 'www.gaychristians101. The 'Loving, faithful, consensual SSR,s. That led us to VBCampaign's thread where TV01 demanded the same from you.

Thereafter, you beat your chest so hard that many gathered and waited for ages for you to present scriptures that says God permits and approves SSRs but you brought up Mtt 19:12. and then 11Sam 1.

You even said they were types of homosexualities and God approves the other while He condemns temple prostitution.

How then can you say you were never said God permitted homosex?

Why have you been defending your stance from the beginning of this thread then?



Wow, to claim he accused me of copy and paste...whilst he does the same?

At least I even put the links so as not to be accused of plagiarism...

Too bad

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 3:23pm On Jun 18
MuttleyLaff:
I morely, was letting you know, that unlike me that has proof of God not disapproving SSA relationships, you have no Bible verses of either God or Jesus, disapproving tithes, yet you are well known to kick against ecclesiastical and obligatory tithing. Why are you asking me of biblical proof when you haven't been able to produce such when posters like alBHAGDADI asks you for it, hmm?

You still want me to remind you of the subject titled heading of this thread, huh? Deconstructing, hmm? You do know the meaning of the word, don't you?

Please don't deflect the thread's objective and what it set out to do with your diversionary and derailing ploys. You can't say, in spite, that I haven't been accommodating and tolerating the incessant attempts to deflect and distract me from the thread's objectives.

Please let revert back to deconstructing those words that have been used to deceive many by replacing them with the word homosexual
If I may ask...what the hell has tithes got to do with homosexual acts?

So because you are hell bent on pushing your senseless submissions, you had to mention the same tithe issue that you also debate against just so that you can gain sympathy from tithers?

When I said you were mischievous and a confusionist,people thought I was being too harsh!

Its either you are a teen behind the keyboard or you are simply immature!
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by openmine(m): 3:26pm On Jun 18
Shepherd00:

MuttleyLaff someone who submits to the Holy Spirit does not lie and falsify His Word. He is not proud and boastful, he is not arrogant and haughty. These are traits of the Evil Spirit.

Talking about behavior, look in the mirror.
grin grin
Muttleylaff real character shows up when he is boxed to a corner or trying to grasp for any little breath!
Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by OkCornel(m): 3:26pm On Jun 18
openmine:

If I may ask...what the hell has tithes got to do with homosexual acts?

So because you are hell bent on pushing your senseless submissions, you had to mention the same tithe issue that you also debate against just so that you can gain sympathy from tithers?

When I said you were mischievous and a confusionist,people thought I was being too harsh!

Its either you are a teen behind the keyboard or you are simply immature!




He's seeking support from alBHAGDADI his fellow homosexualist advocate...

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Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by alBHAGDADI: 3:29pm On Jun 18
OkCornel:


@ muttleylaff and alBHAGDADI are now in league with one another...

Isn't God wonderful?

a beautiful marriage between a same sex relationship advocate and a lying monetary tither...

alBHAGDADI, if truly I am a satanist, what is stopping you from saying amen to this?


Who knows...maybe you're also in support of homosexuality like Muttleylaff...

And you have the effrontery to accuse me of satanism... smh undecided


Perhaps I'll start calling you a lying homosexualist from today henceforth... cheesy

What a fool clutching at straws after being busted.

Where did you see me support homosexuality? You of all dumb people ought to know that I uphold all laws of God found in the Old Testament, including tithing except those the new testament told us not to obey again. Yet a foolish Satanist like you is trying to rope me into support of homosexuality, simply because he pointed out your dubiousness which is noticeable by people who have encountered you before.

Look, go and sleep. I think I better screenshot this post before you edit it as usual. grin

Get lost.

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