hakeem4:
Some people claimed he broke the 1st law of thermodynamics since energy can never be created nor destroyed. And god actually created the universe from nothing.

I do not know how true that is because there’s no evidence for that claim.

1st law of thermodynamics is just a law of observation. It has never been proved neither has it been shown to be false.
So if energy was indeed created it means our first law of thermodynamics does not always hold true.

plaetton:

The laws of mathematics that underpine natural phenomena are rigid and immutable.
Any ideas of God , or whatever one chooses to call it, that falls outside the confines of the rigid laws of mathematics are nothing but fantasies.

which immutable mathematical laws?
The same math founded on axioms/assumptions that can not be proven?

Evangkatsoulis:

which immutable mathematical laws?
The same math founded on axioms/assumptions that can not be proven?

Can you give an example of such axioms??

Lxdd:

Can you give an example of such axioms??

shooo, all mathematic theorems all start with axioms e.g. Euclidean and hyperbolic geometry.

plaetton:


Let me ask you, how many planets are there in our milky way galaxy system ? About 100 billion.
How many galaxies do you think we have in the known universe.
I00 billion billion or more.

So, out of that, how many planets have we explored for life ?

bro, science had not explained everything in our UNIVERS , so would it be a good idea to have so much faith in it ?

grandstar:


Science says life can only eminate from life.

Please link the peer reviewed paper that said that.

LordReed:


Please link the peer reviewed paper that said that.

Sorry, I meant to say life can't come from a nonliving thing.

LordReed:


Please link the peer reviewed paper that said that.

Sorry,I meant life can not eminate from s non living thing

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogenesis

grandstar:


Sorry,I meant life can not eminate from s non living thing

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogenesis

That is not a conclusion that life cannot come from non-living things.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

Evangkatsoulis:


shooo, all mathematic theorems all start with axioms e.g. Euclidean and hyperbolic geometry.

No oo.. Give example of an axiom that you think has no proof

Lxdd:

No oo.. Give example of an axiom that you think has no proof

Why don't you read up. Axioms are self evident , it can't be proven because it require no proof. Mathematical proofs are based on axioms...

vaxx:
Why don't you read up. Axioms are self evident , it can't be proven because it require no proof. Mathematical proofs are based on axioms...

*require no proof*

Lxdd:

*require no proof*

Yes it is the starting assumption and such has no proof unless you want to enter into infinite regress of explanation.

vaxx:
Yes it is the starting assumption and such has no proof unless you want to enter into infinite regress of explanation.

Exactly. So requiring no proof doesn't mean they're not immutable.

Lxdd:

Exactly. So requiring no proof doesn't mean they're not immutable.

because mathematics is based in its own assumption, And since axioms don’t change, every truth descending from them cannot change. In practice … it is self-constructed and self evident.

grandstar:


Sorry,I meant life can not eminate from s non living thing

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogenesis

Life can come from non living things. A seed is a none living thing but plants come from it. .

malvisguy212:
bro, science had not explained everything in our UNIVERS , so would it be a good idea to have so much faith in it ?

Religion hasn't explained anything apart from making empty assumptions and claims. Science is the only thing that has claim to nature, religion is nothing but traditional fables and mythologies.

dalaman:


Life can come from non living things. A seed is a none living thing but plants come from it. .

seed are 100 percent living thing, they are embedded with stored energy , just looking for where to begin their growth in a good condition. Stop subscribing to misconception . Get some botany book and read .

No fact based evidence to support that life can emanate from non living things, the hypothesis is very weak compare to the hypothetical condition that state life birth life

LordReed:
Or can your god do things that completely defy the laws as we know them?

i assume that u r mocking,but if not, that u r sincerely curious,then i'll ask- how would you know how to evaluate the attempted answers you get?
What if some1 just answered right off the top of their heads?

If you hav an objective way of evaluating answers,then y not go get d answers for yourself instead of waiting for some1 to do the work for you?

LordReed:


That is not a conclusion that life cannot come from non-living things.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

life cant come from nonlife. If it could,then life could simply b manufctured via any mechanical process. Then, human beings could simply be mabufctured in a lab. This would mean that all life is mechanical. Now,if this hypotheses is true,it creates so many issues nd contradictions:
There is no evil? Can a car be good or bad? It's just a mechanical object.
Can a tree falling nd crushing a bridge b wicked?
Are humans simulations in a computer?
Life has no meaning!
Where did they get desires for religion?
Etc

No, it's nature and her laws that are instead obedient to God who is not just the Lawmaker of nature, but also the (sovereign) Law of nature, by whom all laws of nature are determined.

Therefore God can decide to follow it or not to follow it, for He's not subject to it, but it is subject to Him.

The only Law that God is subject to is the Law of His Kingdom, hence the laws of nature may change and may pass away, but the Law of God's Kingdom would never change or pass away because It is a constant and abides forever.

And it was for this purpose that God gave man the Law of His kingdom in the beginning, so that man could become like God and hence be to able defy the laws of nature as God was able to do if man if kept it.

But then man disobeyed the Law of the Kingdom of God and hence his inability to defy the laws of nature, but instead become subject to it.

But when man obeys the Law of God's Kingdom, man is able to defy the laws of nature as God Himself is able to do, for this was how Jesus was able defy the laws of nature, that saw Him walk upon the sea(Matthew 8:23-27), pass through walls and shut doors with His flesh and bones(John 20:19), command nature to become still when it was raging and have nature obey His Voice(Matthew 14:25-32) etc.

And this was also how His disciples were able to emulate His ability to defy nature, for nature and her laws are subject to anyone that is subject to the Law of the Kingdom of God.

So for any human who wants to be able to defy the laws of nature and for nature to be subject to him/her as it is with God and was with Jesus and the disciples of Jesus, the person ought to become subject the Law which is superior to and supercedes every other law, inclusive of the laws of nature, which is the Law of the Kingdom of God, for then and only then would the laws of nature be subject to the person as God had intended for it to be in the beginning.

Genesis 1:26 (KJV)

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

asalimpo:

i assume that u r mocking,but if not, that u r sincerely curious,then i'll ask- how would you know how to evaluate the attempted answers you get?
What if some1 just answered right off the top of their heads?

If you hav an objective way of evaluating answers,then y not go get d answers for yourself instead of waiting for some1 to do the work for you?

Do you have an experience you want to share?

asalimpo:

life cant come from nonlife. If it could,then life could simply b manufctured via any mechanical process. Then, human beings could simply be mabufctured in a lab. This would mean that all life is mechanical. Now,if this hypotheses is true,it creates so many issues nd contradictions:
There is no evil? Can a car be good or bad? It's just a mechanical object.
Can a tree falling nd crushing a bridge b wicked?
Are humans simulations in a computer?
Life has no meaning!
Where did they get desires for religion?
Etc

You didn't read the linked webpage. Read then come back and discuss.

LordReed:


You didn't read the linked webpage. Read then come back and discuss.

Did you read it yourself? because it doesnt justify the far flung conclusion you r trying to reach.

asalimpo:

Did you read it yourself? because it doesnt justify the far flung conclusion you r trying to reach.

What far flung conclusion is that?

jesusjnr:
No, it's nature and her laws that are instead obedient to God who is not just the Lawmaker of nature, but also the (sovereign) Law of nature, by whom all laws of nature are determined.

Therefore God can decide to follow it or not to follow it, for He's not subject to it, but it is subject to Him.

The only Law that God is subject to is the Law of His Kingdom, hence the laws of nature may change and may pass away, but the Law of God's Kingdom would never change or pass away because It is a constant and abides forever.

And it was for this purpose that God gave man the Law of His kingdom in the beginning, so that man could become like God and hence be to able defy the laws of nature as God was able to do if man if kept it.

But then man disobeyed the Law of the Kingdom of God and hence his inability to defy the laws of nature, but instead become subject to it.

But when man obeys the Law of God's Kingdom, man is able to defy the laws of nature as God Himself is able to do, for this was how Jesus was able defy the laws of nature, that saw Him walk upon the sea(Matthew 8:23-27), pass through walls and shut doors with His flesh and bones(John 20:19), command nature to become still when it was raging and have nature obey His Voice(Matthew 14:25-32) etc.

And this was also how His disciples were able to emulate His ability to defy nature, for nature and her laws are subject to anyone that is subject to the Law of the Kingdom of God.

So for any human who wants to be able to defy the laws of nature and for nature to be subject to him/her as it is with God and was with Jesus and the disciples of Jesus, the person ought to become subject the Law which is superior to and supercedes every other law, inclusive of the laws of nature, which is the Law of the Kingdom of God, for then and only then would the laws of nature be subject to the person as God had intended for it to be in the beginning.

Genesis 1:26 (KJV)

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Have you ever experienced something from your god that defied the natural laws as we know them?

dalaman:


Religion hasn't explained anything apart from making empty assumptions and claims. Science is the only thing that has claim to nature, religion is nothing but traditional fables and mythologies.

before the advancement of science, it baffled me how the people of old discovered planet and many things without the help of telescope.

malvisguy212:
before the advancement of science, it baffled me how the people of old discovered planet and many things without the help of telescope.

Some Planets can be seen from the earth without any telescope .