EnthronedbyGod:
@Anas09.

Lucifer- ( light bearer, day star, son of the morning).
He was a magnificent being created by God.
He was created perfect by God and extraordinary, adorned with gold and precious stones.
He was above other angels not just in beauty, but in intellect and wisdom and he understood the ways of God.

No human on earth both male and female is half as beautiful as him

He was a chief minister of worship and also an angel of war( which is very rare meaning he had qualities of both a seraph and an anointed cherub)

One of the few angels that dwelt in God's very presence walking upon the stones of fire and beheld God's glory.

He wanted to be worshipped as God and his pride got the better part of him, and he was cast out of heaven like a bolt of lightning, by the archangel Michael and other loyal angels of God.

Ezekiel 28 & Isaiah 14.

He became the god of this world after deceiving Adam successfully.

He is the father of lies and from him everything evil and wickedness emanates.

EnthronedbyGod:
Raum demon- leader of the principalities rank of the fallen angels.

He is creamy white in colour with scaled skin, a black hole for a mouth, bulging toad-like eyes and arms that end in tentacles.

The tentacles are grey white in colour and tipped with blood red suckers.

michaelkaroh:
How do "Jewish" people today look like?, are they not white?

michaelkaroh:
How can description of His skin tone be metaphoric, I don't understand.
Of course the true semblance of the king is important, his desciples didn't recognize him because he covered their eyes, but they recognized him when he permitted and opened their eyes again, luke 24:30, John 21:4-7

michaelkaroh:
As far as I know from the scriptures, iburus described themselves as black.
Examples:
Job(not iburu though) described himself as black, Job 30:30
The shunemite described herself as black, song of sol. 1:5-6
Jeremiah described the iburus as being black, lamentations 4:8, 5:10

michaelkaroh:
Skin color/race is very important as it would help identify the sheep from the goat. Skin color/ identity is very important for to properly identify the children. Imagine, if kwame nkrumah was described in history as a pale British man, that would effectively cage the minds of Ghanaians into thinking that a pale man worked for their freedom when he was actually one of their's.

Some belivers think race is not important, but it actually is. If they describe the messiah as anything but black, they are effectively saying he is not a pure blood as only saharans are pure hue-man's today

OkCornel:
Seems someone dug up this thread on the book of Enoch showing Jesus quoting from it.

https://www.nairaland.com/1080843/book-enoch-jesus-quoted-it


Very interesting details there.

Anas09:

The only problem I have with the Book of Enoch is its authorship.

Who wrote the Book of Enoch?

The First Five books of the Bible were written by Moses. Even Moses was not there when the events he wrote abt happened. YHWH had to take him back in time to see and write.

Enoch was 6th from Adam. How could he have written that book when the book of Genesis of which his existence was mentioned was written by Moses is retrospect?

I'd be settled and accept it if it's authorship shall be confirmed.

OkCornel:


Yawns... don't get me started on why you'll believe certain things in the Bible, but will disregard other books the Bible made references to.

I can bet, if you grew up with the knowledge that the book of Enoch was one of the canonical books, you'll argue tooth and nail to defend it... But since it's not in the Bible...oh well, it's very easy to disparage and dismiss it as "wild tales"


See how you'll end up justifying Songs of Solomon which is not too different from a Romeo and Juliet story as the word of God, simply because it's a Bible book, but disparage the writings of Enoch since it's not in the Bible...


This is a typical example of how a human's mind is moulded by the decisions and traditions of men before him...rather than letting the Spirit of God to lead them into ALL TRUTH.


By the way, are you all aware that the first version of KJV Bible has more than 66 books?
Check 1611 KJV Bible to confirm this.


Are you all aware that the oldest version of the Bible ( the Ethiopian Bible) has more than 66 books?


Are you also aware that the book of Enoch is highly regarded by the Ethiopian church, one of the first set of countries the gospel bore fruits?

Anas09:
The only problem I have with the Book of Enoch is its authorship.

Who wrote the Book of Enoch?
The First Five books of the Bible were written by Moses. Even Moses was not there when the events he wrote abt happened. YHWH had to take him back in time to see and write.

Enoch was 6th from Adam. How could he have written that book when the book of Genesis of which his existence was mentioned was written by Moses is retrospect?
I'd be settled and accept it if it's authorship shall be confirmed.

Anas09:

I may have to disagree with you on this. Reason being that, the Book of Enoch is most certainly about the study of demons and their operations. And if I'm mistaken, these are the kind of stuff t
The Lord, warned us to stay away from.

He called them 'The Deep Things of Satan'. Pls correct me if I'm wrong.

And pls, if you say this is not 'The Deep Things of Satan', then what are The Deep Things of Satan?

MuttleyLaff:
So if that is your only problem with this fake news book, then you swallow hook, line and sinker the cock and bull stories in it then.

The book is written by the person self styling himself as Enoch. It is not different to the Otum series done by our own resident guy here

Anas09:

No, that is actually not the only problem I have with it. Another problem I have with it is (I may be wrong), I see it as veering deep into satan and The Lord warned us against stuff like this.

Why shd we spend time digging into demons, their names and operations, when we shd be talking more abt Jesus?

To me, this is demonology. Again. I may be wrong.

Christians take the Warnings of God lightly, that's why they fall prey to satan.

OkCornel:


The book of Enoch is way more about the fallen angels. It also talks about the levels of Heaven, and prophecies on the distant future.

By the way, who called the Book of Enoch the deep things of Satan?

And why would Jude and Peter quote from that same book?

I am also awaiting your views on the Apocrypha, and who authored the book of Hebrews.

Anas09:

Like I said, I may be wrong. So, pls Let's not fight. Let's discuss and find a common ground.
What will we gain by fighting over this?

And, before we go on to these other books you mentioned, can you pls deal with my concerns, then we'd go further to other concerns, one by one.

No fighting pls.

Anas09:
No, that is actually not the only problem I have with it. Another problem I have with it is (I may be wrong), I see it as veering deep into satan and The Lord warned us against stuff like this.

Why shd we spend time digging into demons, their names and operations, when we shd be talking more abt Jesus?

To me, this is demonology. Again. I may be wrong.

Christians take the Warnings of God lightly, that's why they fall prey to satan.

OkCornel:

The rantings of a frustrated homosexual apologist.
Cheers...

Shepherd00:

I have never known you to loose your cool. What happened?

Pls maintain who you have always been, Calm.

Anas09:
Okay sir. Thanks for the clarification. I wonder why I didn't get this mention.

Shepherd00:
I have never known you to loose your cool. What happened?

Pls maintain who you have always been, Calm.

MuttleyLaff:
You know you've rattled someone when they have to resort to personal self attack and name calling like that one or Satanist etcetera

OkCornel:

The book of Enoch is way more about the fallen angels. It also talks about the levels of Heaven, and prophecies on the distant future.

OkCornel:

By the way, who called the Book of Enoch the deep things of Satan?

OkCornel:

And why would Jude and Peter quote from that same book?

OkCornel:

I am also awaiting your views on the Apocrypha, and who authored the book of Hebrews.

OkCornel:
Rattled? Seriously?

if anything, I'm amused you are asking for a debate, after your rope-a-dope, evasive tactics of justifying homosexuality who zero scriptural evidence.

A debate with you is a total waste of time. Never request that from me after that show of shame on that thread.

I'm patiently awaiting grammar, gifs and phonetics from your end in reply

Shepherd00:

Brotherly, you're not talking to someone who doesn't know about this Book, I have the PDF version and I have read it.

The part that interests me most is the part that says, he came back to earth to write these things to let us know.

And, I asked this question, 'A what point in History did he come back?


I didn't say anyone did. I only asked a question. Isn't this what the Lord called the deep things of satan?

And, I went further to ask, if it's not, then, what are the deep things of Satan Jesus warned against?


Sir, I'm asking questions, you leave my questions and are asking yours. One thing at the time nau.

When i read that book, I found very relevant info, but I have my concerns which I need clarifying. If you can.


To begin with, this is not how a conversation shd be. I don't ask a question but instead answering me, you in turn throw some questions back at me.

The book of Hebrew was written by Apostle Paul, For he was the only one who wrote any book in prison.

Before we treat this, let's treat the other first.

Shalom.

MuttleyLaff:
I am not surprised you're as usual talking from your arse. I don't blame alBHAGDADI, for the favourite name he calls you because only a person that fits that name will be romantising with this fake news arsed book of Enoch

I would have exposed your puny weak arse, but you couldn't grow some, couldn't grow a pair big enough for you to open a thread to defend this fake news fantasy on steroids demonic book, to mention and invite me to it so I can tear you to shreds with your arse hanging out in the air.

I would have given you the dire education you obviously lack, on why and how Jude and Peter mentioned Enoch and made reference to section of that accursed book.

You are nothing but a sucker, you have itching ears, and that's part of why you fell for this Enoch book scam

Shepherd00:

Brotherly, you're not talking to someone who doesn't know about this Book, I have the PDF version and I have read it.

The part that interests me most is the part that says, he came back to earth to write these things to let us know.

And, I asked this question, 'A what point in History did he come back?

Shepherd00:

I didn't say anyone did. I only asked a question. Isn't this what the Lord called the deep things of satan?

And, I went further to ask, if it's not, then, what are the deep things of Satan Jesus warned against?

Shepherd00:

Sir, I'm asking questions, you leave my questions and are asking yours. One thing at the time nau.

When i read that book, I found very relevant info, but I have my concerns which I need clarifying. If you can.


To begin with, this is not how a conversation shd be. I don't ask a question but instead answering me, you in turn throw some questions back at me.

Shepherd00:

The book of Hebrew was written by Apostle Paul, For he was the only one who wrote any book in prison.

Before we treat this, let's treat the other first.

Shalom.

OkCornel:

Have you heard of Dr. Rebecca Brown? Could she be wrong for exposing the secrets of satanism and witchcraft in America & Europe? Have you read her books?

OkCornel:

Enoch was a deeply spiritual persons, and as such the mysteries he recorded would be tough for one who is not grounded spiritually.

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OkCornel:

I'll put a breakdown on the book of Enoch shortly

OkCornel:
Stories, stories, stories.

Furthermaths can't make sense to a person struggling with arithmetics. After telling us God sees nothing wrong in homosexuality, you still have the temerity to ask me for an argument?

You're a waste of my precious time. Oh, please call your comrade in arms alBHAGDADI to derail the thread even further...

I can't waste my time on arguing with someone who claims God has nothing against homosexuality. Stay clear off my mentions, I am having a discussion with Anas09/Shepherd00

OkCornel:


is Anas09 also you? I thought I was discussing with someone else tbh...

I'll reply your post

OkCornel:
Can you point me to where this was written?

Before Enoch left earth permanently, He had visited Heaven on more than one occasion. When He saw God face to face, He returned to earth with the revelations he had, penned them down and handed them over to his sons.

Not at all, Enoch having a revelation of these things does not necessarily connote such. Please let's look at the portion of the scriptures that spoke of the deep things of Satan. I'll like to have a scriptural reference.

Also, I asked if you have heard of Dr. Rebecca Brown, or read any of her books. The secrets of occult, satanism and witchcraft was exposed there. And her testimonies of how the Holy Spirit helped her overcome are well documented.

No vex bro, I asked those questions cos I'm driving at something that would address your initial question.

Lemme give you a shocker, the authorship of the book of Hebrews is in dispute. That does not in anyway take anything from it as an inspired book though.

OkCornel:

is Anas09 also you? I thought I was discussing with someone else tbh...
I'll reply your post

OkCornel:


Stories, stories, stories.

Furthermaths can't make sense to a person struggling with arithmetics. After telling us God sees nothing wrong in homosexuality, you still have the temerity to ask me for an argument?

You're a waste of my precious time. Oh, please call your comrade in arms alBHAGDADI to derail the thread even further...

I can't waste my time on arguing with someone who claims God has nothing against homosexuality. Stay clear off my mentions, I am having a discussion with Anas09/Shepherd00

MuttleyLaff:
I have no further questions. Thank you.

Anas09:
Sorry, for the mix up. Anas09 is not Shepherd.