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Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by shadeyinka(m): 5:48pm On Jun 20, 2019 |
MightySparrow:The indoctrination is so severe that they become oblivious of obvious truths. Even when they see the Scripture in black and white, they aren't really seeing anything other than what they have been made to memorize. To me, it looks like a demon assisted indoctrination. 2 Likes |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by MightySparrow: 9:06pm On Jun 20, 2019 |
shadeyinka:You too see am so? 3 Likes |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Janosky: 1:04am On Jun 21, 2019 |
[color=#006600][/color]Emusan : we must first address the illogical reasoning of JWs about the person sent by God. This is what I'm still trying to get from them since. They claim, the person sent doesn't have anything divine in him just pure human like you and I. Also, since Jesus is pure human like everyone else in the world, and NOTHING exists in human after death according to them. [/quote] *** Emusan, what did Jehovah say would exist in Adam after he died ? ** ** Present the proof here to back your false claim JWs said "the person sent doesn't have anything divine in him" You LIED as usual, where is your proof that JWs told you so...? 1 Like |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Janosky: 2:58am On Jun 21, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: alBHAGDADI the confused lying Pharisee bearing the name of a terrorist as his moniker, the ogidigan of falsehood. *1 : " Two resurrections took place" for Jesus. In other words,this Pharisee says Jesus resurrected twice. Shadeyinka and mightysparrow,una dey see the junk wey una dey clap for? Oturugbeke ! *2 , the OP quoted 1Cor15:50, flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of God in heaven, the OP lied that "flesh will". the gospel of Satan. **3" OP said "Jesus resurrected in the body in which has buried but this confused liar still said Jesus "resurrected in a spiritual body of flesh and bones " to contradict himself. If Jesus resurrected in the spiritual body with which he was buried, by implication, you're confused. Did Jesus tell you he went back to heaven in flesh and bones? *4 how come a spiritual bodies have flesh when you've said Jesus resurrected with physical body he was born with as a child? Or you mean that Mary gave birth to a spirit? *5. Leviticus17:11, "the life of the flesh is in the blood", proof Jesus gave his flesh (body), his life,his blood (he gave everything) as a ransom sacrifice, offering for mankind (Heb 9:28. John6:51. Matt20:28). Definite PROOF he never resurrected with the same body/flesh/blood sacrifice ,offering, ransom that he paid for our redemption. John6:51, none of these Pharisees go give offering for church dey collect their offering back,but una no gree say Jesus body na Offering. Una dey sow seed(that's a sacrifice) & go collect am back? If you go back to demand for a refund, does your offering still exist or have any value? Satan comot una sense sottay una dey lie say Jesus dey collect him sacrifice, offering for our redemption. Jesus sacrifice his body, blood, life for us. If he resurrected with that same perfect body he sacrificed for our ransom, of what value is it? Answer it, all you lying Pharisees with out sense ! |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by johnw47: 2:58am On Jun 21, 2019 |
The Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is equal with the Father: 1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by alBHAGDADI: 7:04am On Jun 21, 2019 |
Janosky: When they can't defend their lies, they look for an accusation against you to divert the issue. 1. Two resurrections took place is different from saying jesuss resurrected twice. Stop being an illiterate and fo read the OP without the lens of Watchtower. When I say two resurrections took place, I'm not saying Jesus body came out of the ground, went back in and came out again. What I simply mean is that Jesus soul left hell and his body left the grave, both united and came back to life. Kind David prophecied it when he said Jesus soul won't be left in hell neither will his body left to be corrupted. Psalm 16:10 (KJV) 10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 2. Yes, flesh and BLOOD will not inherit the kingdom of God. But your blindness did not allow you see where the OP quoted Jesus saying he is flesh and BONES when he resurrected before going to the kingdom of heaven. Luke 24:39 (KJV) 39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not FLESH and BONES, as ye see me have. Even the patriarch Job stated that he will see God in his flesh even after it has rotten. This is him talking about the resurrection. Job 19:26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: So, you have no point, which clearly shows you are the one preaching satanic gospel. 3. To your question, did Jesus tell you that he didn't go back to heaven in his flesh and bones? At least now you admit that he resurrected as flesh and bones, not spirit. He appeared to his disciples in flesh and bones and they all saw the flesh and bones ascend. You will be damned if you can't quote a verse that shows Jesus ascended as a spirit. False kyi g Jehovah's witness. 4. Another dumb question. The reason why you ask these dumb questions is because you failed to digest the OP. You didn't digestbit because it will mean you out it above watchtower's brainwashing. I clearly showed why spiritual body is quite different from natural body, not physical body as you say, because they are both physical. One has blood and the other doesn't. Get it into your skull. 5. You have no point here, except the one that contradicts your false doctrine that men don't have spirit that lives on. If men dont have spirit that lives on, then how do you say Jesus resurrected a spirit? You claim he gave his all, but still turn around to say he didn't give his spirit. What dumbness. Your last quote goes against everything Christian and Bible. David prophesied that Jesus body won't remain in the grave but will resurrect. The Apostles said the same thing. Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Yet you come up with your own ideology that denies Jesus resurrection. The Bible early defines death as the spirit leaving the body. James 2:26 (KJV) 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. As seen above, what you guys claim is that Jesus remains dead since his spirit left his body which remains dead in the grave. How come the tomb of Jesus was empty? You guys are not Christians. |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by newsynews: 7:07am On Jun 21, 2019 |
Janosky: Did you read the opening post at all? You just came up with Empty nothing. |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Emusan(m): 8:12am On Jun 21, 2019 |
Janosky: And where did Jehovah say nothing exists after Adam will die? ** ** Present the proof here to back your false claim JWs said "the person sent doesn't have anything divine in him" So do you believe the person sent from heaven lives in the body of human Jesus or somehow just lost everything and became FULLY HUMAN? Hypocrite! You LIED as usual, where is your proof that JWs told you so...? When they say Jesus is just pure human.... Imagine "I lied as usual" yet you never point out any of my lies before....provide the place where I've lied here on this forum. 1 Like |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Jozzy4: 4:20pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: I thought its the same body that died that was ressurected ? why the difference ?
You lied, going by the statement a spirit does not have flesh and bones, That's not a spiritual body.
Its not spiritual, didn't he appear in flesh ?
Go back and comprehend. Properly |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Jozzy4: 4:33pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
shadeyinka: A spirit body doesn't have FLesh, correct yourself.
You who believe human are spirits, how come you have flesh and bones ? Illogical! That's what am asking you, you are probing yourself |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by alBHAGDADI: 4:39pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Jozzy4: 1.) Yes, not the same body. Your problems is that you don't understand the difference. One is prone to die while the other will never die again. Isn't that difference enough? Since you people claim to believe your dead ones will resurrect again and never die again, isn't it stupid to say it's the same componential body they resurrect with? If it's the same body composition, how come one was prone to death and the other won't be? There lies the difference - one is natural with blood while the other that doesn't die is spiritual with eternal life 2.) Spiritual body doesn't mean it is spirit. Stop being foolish. It is spirit in the sense that it will never die just as spirits don't die. If it will die, then it is a natural body. Stop coming up with lame comebacks. 3.) Once again, spiritual body doesn't mean it is a spirit. Spiritual body is defined as flesh and bones without blood which will never die. That is what we will be when we resurrect just like Jesus. You are disgrace to Jehovah's False Witnesses. You should have done like your other colleagues who have been avoiding this thread because they couldnt find a way around it. |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Jozzy4: 4:45pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
shadeyinka: So Jesus went to prison NOT the Father ? I thought his spirit return to the Father . Keep contradicting yourself,
Confused person So its now Paradise that Jesus go ? Not prison anymore ?
Paul isn't dead . this doesn't help your case
Is John dead ?
Human who died in the sea are not in hell, so your question is pointless
The verse says put to death in flesh [as a human being] , Made alive in spirit [ As a Spirit being ], by which he went . So Can't you see he was Ressurected before he preaches ? |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Jozzy4: 4:51pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: hahahaha Lollllllzzzzzzz But John 2:19 says Demolish this temple, and I will raise it up.. So its a different BODY that was Raised ? Eeyah Please where was the former body kept ?
Spiritual is from the word SPIRIT. It shouldn't have flesh! Don't disgrace yourself this man
Flesh and bones are MATERIAL . it can be touched, physical ... What is spiritual isn't physical Get sense .
No one avoid the thread, they are just bewildered by your level of ignorance 1 Like |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Jozzy4: 4:57pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: So what's that spirit that return to the Father ? Luke 23:46
Body and soul in hell , remember ? Do u mean Grave ?
By now, you should know u are in for a tough one |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by alBHAGDADI: 4:59pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Jozzy4: A natural body = flesh, bones and blood. A spiritual body = flesh and bones WITHOUT blood The natural body is powered by the blood, while the spiritual body is powered by the spirit which comes back into it. That spirit has been given eternal life, so therefore the body of flesh and bones will never die again. That's why Job boldly said he will see God in his flesh. Job 19:26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Your problem is that when you see spiritual body, you think of it as just spirit. You simply leave out the body part in the spiritual body and just go with the word spiritual alone. That is why you see it as spirit. But Jesus Christ said spirits don't have flesh and bones. This means the spiritual body spoken of below is not spirit but a body with everlasting life 1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Jozzy4: 5:05pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Brain dead analysis, so the natural body doesn't have spirit ? Again I repeat, Physical is Material, it can be touched, Spiritual is not Material . So that body isn't spiritual
Anything spiritual isnt PHysical. It not material So your definition is wrong !!! |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by alBHAGDADI: 5:09pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Jozzy4: You are not reading at all. I made a statement and back it up with an explanation. But you crop out the statement and based a post on it without reading the explanation. That's shameful. Spiritual is from the word SPIRIT. You are the one disgracing yourself here. You say Jesus resurrected to be a spirit, right? You also say a spirit doesn't have flesh, right? Below is the Jesus you claim is a spirit talking. Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Flesh and bones are MATERIAL . it can be touched, physical ... What is spiritual isn't physical Since Jesus is resurrected as a spirit, how come he said he was flesh and bones which you say is physical? You say spirit can't be touched because it's not physical, but the same Jesus was touched by Thomas. John 20:24-29 (KJV) 24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. 26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by shadeyinka(m): 5:09pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Jozzy4:I couldn't help but marvel at what the watchtower organisation has done to your reasoning faculty. So,please correct your organisation since you now know that they err! The quote: Since his body was that which was nailed, how come [b] Jesus spirit body bore the marks of Crucifixion? Don't tell me it is to boost the faith of Thomas It was your Watchtower Organisation that said Jesus resurrected as a spirit body and went on to defend that which you now consider as stupidity https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/jesus-body/ You who believe human are spirits, how come you have flesh and bones ? Illogical! A human being is a Spirit A human being is a Soul A human being is a Body All at the same time: that is the trinity of Man. That is why the Rich man even though was physically dead, he wasn't unconscious. That is why at transfiguration, Moses and Elijah were with Jesus. 1 Like |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by alBHAGDADI: 5:12pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Jozzy4: Stop being brain dead while thinking g ithees are the ones that are brain dead. You are not saying anything that is clear. One line of sentence, especially when it's a question doesn't serve as an answer to detailed explanation. |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by alBHAGDADI: 5:16pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Shadeyinka, this part from their Watchtower really makes me laugh. They are simply calling Jesus a fraud. They say Jesus borrowed a body that looked like his original body just to appear to his disciples. He was even showing them the nail piercings and acting as if it's his real body. They called Jesus a scammer |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by shadeyinka(m): 5:36pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Can you point to one single question you answered out of the five I gave you.? As usual, you avoid the questions that will set you free to engage in recitation of your memory verses. Please go back to the post answer my questions as I always answer yours! Jozzy4:Can you see that it's you who doesn't know the Scriptures beyond what your organisation dropped down your throat? What did Jesus say? John 20:17: "Jesus said to her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brothers, and say to them, I ascend to my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." Can you see that it's you in error? Jozzy4:The post was about the Thief who is supposed to be unconscious according to your doctrine Please, answer this question: where do you think that thief in question is? Paradise? Hell? Grave? If the Thief is in paradise, how could he be unconscious? Jozzy4:If you had answered the questions about Paul and John, you wouldn't be asking such a thoughtless question. The questions was about HOW they perceived the spirit realm! Please stop avoiding answering my questions: After answering my questions and you think you also have a counter Question feel free to roll it out but don't bury the Questions I asked you under deliberate distractions. |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by shadeyinka(m): 5:41pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:I think they should explain how Angel Gabriel removed the body of Jesus for proper burial in a tomb of gold in paradise since "Jesus spirit had to manufacture the marks of Crucifixion to convince his disciples"!? Their delusion is strong and deep is their spiritual bondage! |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Jozzy4: 7:51pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Get enlightened Spiritual isn't physical - 1 Cor 15:46 |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Jozzy4: 8:11pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Good. U admit that spirit isn't Jesus That demand the Question: What is that spirit that return to the Father ? ? ? ( Luke 23:46)
Any prove that Jesus and the thief went to Paradise ? The post is about the condition of the dead not how some people perceive the spirit realm in visions. |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Jozzy4: 8:13pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Didn't 1 Corinthians 15:46 differentiate what is spiritual from that which is physical ( seen ) ? ? How could a spiritual being be Physical ? U are on a hot seat . |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Jozzy4: 8:18pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
shadeyinka: So they call that which have mark " spiritual body ? " Comprehension is affecting you, didn't you see materialize in there .
U must be sleeping does a spirit have flesh?
The rich man was physically alive when speaking to Abraham, Has the ressurection occur ?
Vision . get sense |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Jozzy4: 8:21pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: You are proving silly with each post, what is physical isn't spiritual ! 1 Corinthians 15:46 . that's not a spiritual body |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by alBHAGDADI: 9:46pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Jozzy4: Jozzy4: Stop being silly with your questions. You are only trying to drag me back into explaining all I've said before. The worst part is that you are not tackling my points which are well detailed. You are just asking silly questions. I can't entertain your foolishness since you fail to take off watchtower lens and read my posts well. 1 Corinthians 15:46 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The verse above which you've been citing doesn't even support your argument. It simply says a natural comes first before the spiritual comes after death and ressurection. What do they have in common? BODY. And I've shown the difference since. As seen in the screenshot below, you are contradicting yourself. First you say your JW doctrine says... 1.) Jesus was raised a spirit, which you say isn't physical and can't be touched. Next you say... 2.) Jesus didn't have a spiritual body that's why he was physical and touched. Your argument exposes your JW doctrine which says Jesus was raised a spirit. You are unstable for moving back and forth.
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Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by shadeyinka(m): 10:05pm On Jun 21, 2019 |
Jozzy4:If you are capitalising on the word materialize, if Jesus materialized, He is PHYSICAL! It's you who have proved your organisation wrong! The rich man was physically alive when speaking to Abraham? Didn't Jesus say he died and was buried? The fact that the asked that Lazarus go to the earth to warn his brothers show that resurrection hadn't occured AND the rich man was not unconscious! |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by johnw47: 12:12am On Jun 22, 2019 |
Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. of course only God is: "the way" "the truth" and "the life", certinally not a angel or a god |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Barristter07: 10:36am On Jun 22, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Na wah 1 Like |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Barristter07: 10:51am On Jun 22, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: The problem you have is you do not make research , is your ignorant mind aware that the Greek word translated natural means PHYSICAL ? I doubt it! The ISV and some others translated that verse thus " The spiritual does not come first, but the physical does, and then comes the spiritual. " Bringing it clearer. Should in case you couldn't comprehend why Jozzy4 quoted that, let me explain: For the scripture to contrast spiritual with physical showed both are opposite, the physical can be seen, touched , but the spiritual cannot be seen nor touched. So you have a problem here 1. Did Jesus resurrect with a spiritual [NOT physical ] body ? Or that scripture at 1Cor 15:44 is a LIE 2. That which appeared to his disciples is physically felt, is that is real body ? 1 Like |
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