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Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Barristter07: 12:41am On Jun 25, 2019 |
The problem you have is, you always think you know when you understand nothing shadeyinka: I said before we discuss that, Do u agree That he wasn't raised in a Physical body But a non physical [Spiritual ] one ?
Flesh and BLOOD cannot inherit Heaven or Kingdom of God , Does Jesus body have Blood ? Albhagdadi who started this thread says The New body doesmt have Blood, Do you agree with him ?
Oh! @ highlighted, So Paul lied that , it is RAISED a Spiritual Body ?
The verse never said they won't die. A totally different Greek word which means to fall into deep Sleep is used . so its not saying they won't die, but they won't sleep long in death . instant ressurection.
Quickened means to Be MADE ALIVE. That's Ressurection. I told u you understand nothing.
If you so believe John 2:19 explain to me , do you agree with OP that the new body has no blood ? 1 Like |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Barristter07: 12:45am On Jun 25, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: It is sown a physical body, it is RAISED in which ? 1 Like |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by xproducer: 1:31am On Jun 25, 2019 |
Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by alBHAGDADI: 2:47am On Jun 25, 2019 |
Barristter07: Don't run away from the challenge. This question you asked is not the answer to the questions raised in my post. Now, see the post below and attempt them again or admit that they are too hot. Stop applying evasive tactics. He wasn't raised a physical body, right? How come he was seen and touched? How come he said he had flesh and bones and that he was not a spirit? All of the above clearly shows you are the one misunderstanding 1 Corinthians 15:44. And it's all because your NWT and some other satanic translations alike were translated from corrupt Greek manuscripts. |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by johnw47: 4:44am On Jun 25, 2019 |
Barristter07: lie lie barrister™ Jesus resurrection was diffrent to ordinary man Jesus body didn't see corruption, and for a very good reason it's the same body that is to be resurrected: Act_2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by johnw47: 4:57am On Jun 25, 2019 |
Barristter07: lie lie barrister™ that is answered in my last post to you Barristter07: oh duh there is not two bodys, i guess that idea comes from your confusion that there are two gods and there is no verse saying Christ's body didn't have blood the reason Jesus said handle and see that i have flesh and bone, is because it would be silly to say handle and see that i have flesh and blood, oh duh, do you think He was still dripping with blood Luk_24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by johnw47: 5:12am On Jun 25, 2019 |
Barristter07: lie lie barrister™ i cor 15:44 is not to do with Jesus but ordinary man as i showed you also verse 16 is not to do with Jesus but ordinary man also, for the same reasons but more: 1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. that which is natural is first with ordinary man but that which is spirit was first with the word Jesus Christ: Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by johnw47: 5:15am On Jun 25, 2019 |
Janosky: oh duh lying pharisee™ Janosky/OneJ 1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: Jesus body was quickened by the Spirit(God), bough back to life, raised by the Spirit God the Word(Spirit) raised Jesus body just like He said he would: Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Joh 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body. Janosky: God certinally did raise Jesus body from the dead Father and the Word is God, john 1:1 Janosky: oh know nothing, the risen Christ could put on and off His raised body at will, so He could Janosky:inka may reply to that confusion, but i doubt it Janosky: poor tormented false accusing mumu brain, smile |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by shadeyinka(m): 7:25am On Jun 25, 2019 |
Barristter07:Yes! I have said it again and again, None of you have been able to say what happened to the Body of Jesus at Resurection! I have explained time and time again but because you wouldn't read, you repeat the same question: Jesus was raise a Glorified Body A glorified body is one which is not subject to corruption or weaknesses. A glorified body isn't bound by the rules of the physical realm! Mat 27:52: "And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose," John 5:28: "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice," John 5:29: "And shall come forth; they that have done good, to the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, to the resurrection of damnation." What happened to the Bodies of saints in Mt27:52? As usual, you will avoid it as other damning Scriptures. Barristter07:Jesus had a glorified body! Luk 24:37-43: "But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said to them, Why are you troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you see me have . And when he had thus spoken, he showed them his hands and his feet. And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said to them, Have you here any meat? And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them." For emphasis, Jesus said "..it is I Myself!" and Jesus said that He isn't a Spirit! Barristter07: The Scripture you glossed over was: 1Pet 3:18-20: "For Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." Quickened (Energised, Empowered, Made Alive) in the Spirit BY WHICH he went and PREACHED to the spirits in prison (hell/where the rich man is) as far back as to the days of Noah! The Bible gave a clear timing of this disobedience: "When God waited in the days of Noah". These are supposed to be in an unconscious state according to your doctrine |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Barristter07: 8:11am On Jun 25, 2019 |
johnw47: You mean the OP lied that Jesus body has no blood ? Enemy camp has scattered aLBHAGDADI 1 Like |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Barristter07: 8:21am On Jun 25, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Despite I already tell you he was Materialized , you are still show casing your Shallowness. Here is a reference to your OP aLBHAGDADI Do you agree with the highlighted? 1 Like |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Barristter07: 8:30am On Jun 25, 2019 |
shadeyinka: Quoting scripture doesn't equate Understanding. So true. A Glorified Body HAS DEFECTS LIKE WOUND?
I told you Jesus preached after he was Made ALIVE or Ressurected . so that totally empty your post. As for those he preached to, Those are not humans , if they are humans , they are in the Sea , they won't be in Hell ? Rev 20:13 . 1 Like |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Jozzy4: 8:47am On Jun 25, 2019 |
Barristter07: Thank you . 1 Like |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by shadeyinka(m): 9:30am On Jun 25, 2019 |
Barristter07:Luk 24:37-43: has floored your argument! Jesus said " .. it is I" not a SPIRIT! Barristter07:If God waited for them patiently DURING the time of Noah and afterwards saved 8 people, who are these spirits? |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by johnw47: 9:32am On Jun 25, 2019 |
Barristter07: lie lie barrister™ i didn't address the op, i addressed you now reply to what i said or run away again from the truth |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by alBHAGDADI: 5:41pm On Jun 25, 2019 |
Barristter07: You haven't answered my questions. Your post lacks direction. Now, see the post below and attempt them again or admit that they are too hot. Stop applying evasive tactics. He wasn't raised a physical body, right? How come he was seen and touched? How come he said he had flesh and bones and that he was not a spirit? All of the above clearly shows you are the one misunderstanding 1 Corinthians 15:44. And it's all because your NWT and some other satanic translations alike were translated from corrupt Greek manuscripts. |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by alBHAGDADI: 5:56pm On Jun 25, 2019 |
Barristter07: Look I'm not in camp with anybody. I reconciled verses to prove why Jesus resurrected body didn't have blood. This goes in line with verses I showed in the OP. That guy perhaps may have believed the wrong doctrine or is not quite certain on that issue. This however doesn't mean the concept is false or unbiblical. Once you see spiritual body, you mistake it to mean spirit, despite multiple verses shown to prove otherwise. The spiritual body is different from the natural because it cannot sin. Flesh and blood speaks of our present human nature. The new body of believers will not be made up of the same flesh and blood like our present bodies. The Bible is specific about this. (1 Corinthians 15:50). Now this I say brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption The Bible says the life of the flesh is in the blood. (Leviticus 17:11). For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for your souls The new body we receive will seemingly have a different type of life source. The new body may be bloodless. There is no need for nourishment in the new bodies because the new bodies will never break down. The phrase, flesh and blood, speaks of these current bodies. Jesus resurrected without blood in his body. Now, can you use the Bible to prove what I just said wrong? No, you can't. Just your usually "spiritual body" rant. I hope that guy sees this post and come to understanding. Meanwhile, I'm not in camp with anybody but Jesus. |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by johnw47: 12:24am On Jun 26, 2019 |
false jw's are as much christian as hitler was a jew, so true christians preach how good Jesus is false jw preach how good they are, they certinally do Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature; for he is a liar, and the father of lies. |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by johnw47: 12:28am On Jun 26, 2019 |
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let "us" make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. false jw's have said at these forums that the "us" in that verse is angels God said to angels: "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness" the truth is God said to the Word: "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness" Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Janosky: 3:54am On Jun 26, 2019 |
Emusan: know nothing lying Pharisees pretending to be Christian. Jesus is the "son of man" long before his earthly life and ministry on earth. To call Jesus son of man has nothing to do with whether he's in in heaven or earth. Matt24:30. Daniel 7:13,14. Go and dump your mumu doctrine inside dustbin. Shikena ! |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Janosky: 4:31am On Jun 26, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Your mumu post is the equivalent of saying that because the powers of Vice President was conferred on your brother, therefore, Osinbade is no longer a Professor of Law. Stop being foolish and going about twisting the holy Scriptures. Jesus is still my Ransomer & Messiah ooo! Excerpts from biblehub.com "To give his life a ransom for many.—The word rightly rendered “ransom,” is primarily “a price made for deliverance,” and in this sense it is found in the Greek version of the Old Testament for “the ransom” which is accepted instead of a man’s life in Exodus 21:30 , for the “price of redemption”. No shade of doubt accordingly rests on the meaning of the word. ” It could only be accomplished by the payment of a price,and that price was His (Jesus) own life. The language of the Epistles as to the "redemption that is in Christ Jesus,” our beng “bought with a price” ( Romans 3:24 ,1 Corinthians 6:20 ), “redeemed by His precious blood” ( 1Peter 1:19 )," Jesus bought you lying alB Pharisees with a price. Shame on you for denial and rejection of the ransom price my Messiah paid for your deliverance. This alB Pharisees, your brain needs reset. |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Emusan(m): 5:48am On Jun 26, 2019 |
Janosky: Imagine, using this style to boycott my questions. Hypocrite JWs Jesus is the "son of man" long before his earthly life and ministry on earth. You said "he was born of a woman, he called himself. "son of man"". Olodo...I will keep exposing your ignorance! Daniel 7 never called Jesus son of man but "someone like a son of man" Matthew 24 also, was after Jesus became man not about His preexistence. Meanwhile, is Jesus no longer Son of God before he was born on earth as you guys claimed again Brainwashed JWs. Go and dump your mumu doctrine inside dustbin. Says someone who lack the scriptural knowledge and put his own salvation life in the hands of organization. Meanwhile, why we're still on that, you haven't addressed this part of my previous post 1. Where was Jesus spiritual body? 2. You mean Jehovah killed the person of Micheal by only TRANSFERRING His Life (let me watch something here, you may shot yourself in the legs) 3. From these two statements, must there not be something left from what God sent? |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Barristter07: 8:24am On Jun 26, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Johnw74 and Shadeyinka - he said you lacked understanding. Besides , Spiritual isn't Physical! 1 Like |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by alBHAGDADI: 8:36am On Jun 26, 2019 |
Barristter07: Then answer the below questions and stop running g away from them. If the you say Jesus resurrected in a spiritual body which you say isn't physical... 1.) How come he was seen and touched by his disciples? 2.) How come he said he wasn't a spirit? Failure to answer the questions shows you are intentionally being a liar and you will be damned for it. |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by alBHAGDADI: 8:38am On Jun 26, 2019 |
Barristter07: Why not address my post and stop using them as evasion. |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Barristter07: 8:49am On Jun 26, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: False Religion takes some peoples thinking cap away. Spiritual definition: That which is " OPPOSED to material or physical things. " Do you now accept for Jesus to be raised a Spiritual body, He wasn't physical ? Are both not opposed?
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Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by alBHAGDADI: 9:20am On Jun 26, 2019 |
Barristter07: Why are you being daft? How many times do I have to explain the difference between the natural body and spiritual body? Even from the OP, I explained that the spiritual body is physical, that's why Jesus was seen and touched. The difference between the natural and spiritual is that the natural is weak and prone to death and sin. The spiritual is not prone to any weakness, sin nor death. You have once again avoided my questions because you know it holds the key to unlock your lies. Now I ask again: If you say Jesus resurrected in a spiritual body which you say isn't physical... 1.) How come he was seen and touched by his disciples? 2.) How come he said he wasn't a spirit? Failure to answer the questions again shows you are intentionally being a liar and are truly damned. |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Barristter07: 9:29am On Jun 26, 2019 |
Sense , you don't have . alBHAGDADI: Open your brain, Think about the nonsense you wrote at highlighted, What is Spiritual is OPPOSITE of Physical! 1 Like |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by alBHAGDADI: 10:07am On Jun 26, 2019 |
Barristter07: You have once again avoided my questions because you know it holds the key to unlock your lies. Now I ask again: If you say Jesus resurrected in a spiritual body which you say isn't physical... 1.) How come he was seen and touched by his disciples? 2.) How come he said he wasn't a spirit? Failure to answer the questions again shows you are intentionally being a liar and are truly damned. |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Nobody: 10:24am On Jun 26, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Bravo! You're really beating the Jehovah's Witnesses on this your HOT thread! No wonder a SPIRITUAL BODY BECAME PHYSICAL! Titus 3:9 |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by Barristter07: 10:27am On Jun 26, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Which I say or a proven Fact ? 1 Like |
Re: Debunking The Lies Of The Jehovah's Witnesses That Jesus Didn't Resurrect Bodily by alBHAGDADI: 10:36am On Jun 26, 2019 |
Barristter07: Keep shut. You never proved anything. You can only prove that the spiritual body isn't physical by answering the questions below, which you've been avoiding for obvious reasons. Now I ask again: If you say Jesus resurrected in a spiritual body which you say isn't physical... 1.) How come he was seen and touched by his disciples? 2.) How come he said he wasn't a spirit? Failure to answer the questions again shows you are intentionally being a liar and are truly damned. |
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