The authors of all Abrahamic text stole much of their content from other religious concepts without giving the due and deserved credit.

All manufactured religions are fake, false and counterintuitive.

Amujale:


Yoruba originate from Africa. Any connection can only be seen in those terms.

All the evidence points to the fact that Yoruba language predates all Asian languages and the notion that has it originating in Asia is not plausible.

During the times when Yoruba are enjoying their civilization, there are no people living in Asia.

The kind of study into languages that you embark on is of high importance, yet, its imperative to have an accurate starting position.

Theres so much now known about African history than ever before, thanks to the enthusiasm of great African historians, scholars and academics.

We know the specific periods when every ethnic group moved out of Africa.

For instance, are able to determine when the current stock of Asians and Australasians left the continent and their state of mind at the time.

The evidence suggest that Yoruba and their neighbours have been living and existing in Africa hundred of thousands years before people began to occupy the Asian continent.

Stop assumption bro about our ancestors ( Yoruba's) because, Yoruba were amongst the earliest descendants of the earliest ancestors and these people begun in Middle East. If you have a good case,,kindly give us readers concrete information about where Yoruba originated from. Precisely, using archeological , linguistic ,oral account, pictograph, hieroglyphs etc to buttress your point.




Cheers

Olu317:
Stop assumption bro about our ancestors ( Yoruba's) because, Yoruba were amongst the earliest descendants of the earliest ancestors and these people begun in Middle East..

I have no interest in assumptions or guess work, all the evidence suggest Yoruba originate from West Africa.


Hunanity began in Africa NOT the Middle East.

All the fairy tales partaining to the Middle East and the Garden of Eden are false.

That region is of no significance or relevance to Africans.

Olu317:
If you have a good case,,kindly give us readers concrete information about where Yoruba originated from. Precisely, using archeological , linguistic ,oral account, pictograph, hieroglyphs

The Yoruba originate from within Nigeria and have existed throughout the region for thousands of centuries.

Kindly go and visit any local museums and or historical relief center, they you will find overwhelming evidence.

Check the dates of our artefacts and artwork in foreign museums, again, you will find overwhelming evidence dating back to 700 BCE. (its important to note that most of our precious art and artefacts are intentionally incorrectly dated)

Archeaological excavation and discoveries of ancient cites that are dated 1200 CE, details evidence of various highly urbanised areas.

There have been numerous recent excavation by local archeologist. e.g Professor Ogundiran e.t.c

I cannot believe we are even having this argument.

During the period of Empire, there was no people living in Asia.

There is zero posibility that Yoruba could have originated in the Middle East.

Hehehehe. ..humanity began in Africa, Yoruba is the origin of humanity.. .So, Yoruba is the beginning of all humanity.. .if you argue with these pple.. .You fool. . Just Waka pass them... Origin of all things is Yoruba.. . Odiegwu

Humanity began in Africa and then our ancestors went on to populate the rest of the world.

Africans are the first people to explore and populate all the other 'continents.

Africans invented paper and they invented the ink pen.

Africans discovered the concepts of literacy.

Africans discovered the concepts of numeracy.

Civilization began in Africa and then it proceeded to trickle out to the rest of the world.

The surviving evidence of the oldest complete human fossil is found within the continent of Africa, not in the Middle East nor in Europe.

All the surviving evidence from the earliest form of literacy is found in Africa not in the Middle East nor in Europe.

All the surviving evidence of the earliest form of numeracy is found within the continent of Africa, not in the Middle East nor is it found in Europe.

The earliest surviving evidence of civilised communuties anywhere on the globe is found within the continent of Africa, not in the Middle East, not in Europe.

Amujale:


I have no interest in assumptions or guess work, all the evidence suggest Yoruba originate from West Africa.


Hunanity began in Africa NOT the Middle East.

All the fairy tales partaining to the Middle East and the Garden of Eden are false.

That region is of no significance or relevance to Africans.




The Yoruba originate from within Nigeria and have existed throughout the region for thousands of centuries.

Kindly go and visit any local museums and or historical relief center, they you will find overwhelming evidence.

Check the dates of our artefacts and artwork in foreign museums, again, you will find overwhelming evidence dating back to 700 BCE. (its important to note that most of our precious art and artefacts are intentionally incorrectly dated)

Archeaological excavation and discoveries of ancient cites that are dated 1200 CE, details evidence of various highly urbanised areas.

There have been numerous recent excavation by local archeologist. e.g Professor Ogundiran e.t.c

I cannot believe we are even having this argument.

During the period of Empire, there was no people living in Asia.

There is zero posibility that Yoruba could have originated in the Middle East.

You see Bro, you have been unable to provide evidence to support your suggestion that Yoruba originated from within Africa but If you insist, on radiocarbon date, then show there is no proof supporting your view because you don't have iron production or concrete archeological or hieroglyphs or pictographs as your evidence to support the 350Bce of Yoruba people in Nigeria.This is seen in the reference of the same Professor Akinwumi Ogundiran that , In the, ‘Art in Ancient Ife , The Birth Place of Yoruba', by Suzanne Blier, where she said that an early Ife date of 350 bce. purportedly based on radiocarbon (Folster in Ozanne 1969:32), cited by both Ogundiran (2002, p.c.) and Drewal (2009:80), has been rejected by Frank Willett (2004) and others for lack of supporting scientific evidence

It affirm that Niger Delta and eastern Mali, were occipied before Ife because Niger acted as a conduit of trade from the Atlantic coast to the Sahel and thence to the Middle East (Davison,1972; Insoll and Shaw, 1997). So also, archaeological sites in the Niger Delta show that advanced economic development began much earlier there than elsewhere in West Africa. This is seen in early use of metallurgy. At one metallurgical complex, dated to 765 BC, iron ore was smelted in furnaces measuring a meter wide. Thus, the operating temperatures are estimated to have varied between 1,155 and 1,450 degrees C (Holl, 2009). Some radiocarbon dates for iron smelting in this region go back to 2000 BC (Eze-Uzomaka, 2009).Even radiocarbon dates for iron smelting in this region go back to 2000 BC (Eze-Uzomaka, 2009),which confirme with evidence that are seen in more than 700 artefacts of bronze, copper, and iron recovered from the Igbo-Ukwu site and dated to the 9th century AD.


What does this mean? It means Yoruba ancestors came into West Africa latet than Ibos~Eastern Niger ia

Olu317:


You see Bro, you have been unable to provide evidence to support your suggestion that Yoruba originated from within Africa but If you insist, on radiocarbon date, then show there is no proof supporting your view because you don't have iron production or concrete archeological or hieroglyphs or pictographs as your evidence to support the 350Bce of Yoruba people in Nigeria.This is seen in the reference of the same Professor Akinwumi Ogundiran that , In the, ‘Art in Ancient Ife , The Birth Place of Yoruba', by Suzanne Blier, where she said that an early Ife date of 350 bce. purportedly based on radiocarbon (Folster in Ozanne 1969:32), cited by both Ogundiran (2002, p.c.) and Drewal (2009:80), has been rejected by Frank Willett (2004) and others for lack of supporting scientific evidence

Firstly, who is Frank Willet to reject Ogundiran's findings?

Frank Willet is a Eurocentric liar and faker bro.

How would you expect a Eurocentric to accept that Ife civilisation is older than that of Ancient Egypt?

Bro, i would rather take the word of the reknowned archeologist Professor Ogundiran who's verifiable works we talk about over the director of a Western World's museum that spends most of his time sitting on an armchair.

Go and check them out for yourself and acquire the rights to see his submissions.

For these reasons, its easy for anyone to accept Ogundiran's findings.

The only true African history is that which is derived by Africans, by default other versions are false and invalid.


Furthermore, the reference i made is cited from Ogundiran's own journal as one of the authors of a Cambridge University publication titled 'History in Africa'. Vol. 28 (2001), pp. 203-223

Amujale:
Archeaological excavation and discoveries of ancient cites that are dated 1200 CE, details evidence of various highly urbanised areas.

There have been numerous recent excavation by local archeologist. e.g Professor Ogundiran e.t.c

I 100% back the carbon dating methods Ogundiran made use of throughout his campaign.

Olu317:



It affirm that Niger Delta and eastern Mali, were occipied before Ife because Niger acted as a conduit of trade from the Atlantic coast to the Sahel and thence to the Middle East (Davison,1972; Insoll and Shaw, 1997). So also, archaeological sites in the Niger Delta show that advanced economic development began much earlier there than elsewhere in West Africa. This is seen in early use of metallurgy. At one metallurgical complex, dated to 765 BC, iron ore was smelted in furnaces measuring a meter wide. Thus, the operating temperatures are estimated to have varied between 1,155 and 1,450 degrees C (Holl, 2009). Some radiocarbon dates for iron smelting in this region go back to 2000 BC (Eze-Uzomaka, 2009).Even radiocarbon dates for iron smelting in this region go back to 2000 BC (Eze-Uzomaka, 2009),which confirme with evidence that are seen in more than 700 artefacts of bronze, copper, and iron recovered from the Igbo-Ukwu site and dated to the 9th century AD.


What does this mean? It means Yoruba ancestors came into West Africa latet than Ibos~Eastern Nigeria

No, it does not.

It means you are deviating from the point here.

Yoruba originate from within Africa.

Go and re-educate yourself about African history.

Stop with these nonsensical claims on history.

All the writers that make such claims have always been found to be of Abrahamic religious background.

There is zero evidence to back such claims.

The evidence given by people who claim that Yoruba migrated into Africa is unverifiable. Mostly based on foreign rhetoric and false perceptions are known to us as Abrahamic historiographies and historicities.

Its impossible for Yoruba to have migrate from the Middle East due to the fact that when the Yoruba and other West Africans are living in their glourious communities, there was no people living in what is now Asia.

Those are the historical facts, West Africans have been in existence before Ancient Egypt.

African people existed in Ancient Egypt before the Phenoms began to populate Asia.

The first people to populate Asia was the African.

Go and read books on African history:

.The West Africansic :from prehistoric times to present by Toyin Falola.

.The African Origin of Civilisation by Cheikh Anta Diop

.The History of the West Africansic: From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the British Protectorate by Samuel Johnson.

All the modern day historians all agree with me that Yoruba originate from within Africa.

African historians are now able to determine the specific periods when every ethnic group moved out of Africa, are able to determine when the current stock of Asians and Australasians left the continent and their state of mind at the time.

According to the academics on Paleoclimatic history,  the "Out of Africa" experience occurs during the period denoting the Wurum Inter-Stadio.

All the available analytical and scientific proof avialable to us enables these conclusions:

Humanity began in Africa and then they went forward to populate the rest of the world in what is commonly known as the "Out of Africa" phenomenon.

During the above events, Africans are the first people to explore and populate all the other 'continents.

Africans invented paper and they invented the ink pen.

Africans discovered the concepts of literacy.

Africans discovered the concepts of numeracy.

Civilization began in Africa and then it proceeded to trickle out to the rest of the world.

Everyone currently living on planet Earth all descend from Africa.

For more information:

. Africa in World History by Dr Hendrik Clarke

. The African Origin of Civilisation by Cheikh Anta Diop

. Africa: mother of "Western civilization" by Yosef-Ben-Jochannan

. New dimensions in African history by Yosef-Ben-Jochannan and Dr Hendrik Clarke.

. They Came Before Columbus: The African Presence in Ancient America by Dr Ivan Sertima

Amujale:



No, it does not.

It means you are deviating from the point here.

Yoruba originate from within Africa.

Go and re-educate yourself about African history.

Stop with these nonsensical claims on history.

All the writers that make such claims have always been found to be of Abrahamic religious background.

There is zero evidence to back such claims.

The evidence given by people who claim that Yoruba migrated into Africa is unverifiable. Mostly based on foreign rhetoric and false perceptions are known to us as Abrahamic historiographies and historicities.

Its impossible for Yoruba to have migrate from the Middle East due to the fact that when the Yoruba and other West Africans are living in their glourious communities, there was no people living in what is now Asia.

Those are the historical facts, West Africans have been in existence before Ancient Egypt.

African people existed in Ancient Egypt before the Phenoms began to populate Asia.

The first people to populate Asia was the African.

Go and read books on African history:

.The West Africansic :from prehistoric times to present by Toyin Falola.

.The African Origin of Civilisation by Cheikh Anta Diop

.The History of the West Africansic: From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the British Protectorate by Samuel Johnson.

All the modern day historians all agree with me that Yoruba originate from within Africa.

Obviously you are absolutely ignorant of the fact that Tariqh Sawandi says: ‘The Yoruba history begins with the migration of an east African population across the trans-African route leading from Mid-Nile river area to the Mid-Niger',which is contestable through Olumide Lucas's comparison .Even, Flinders Petrie classified these terra-cotta heads with similar objects found at Memphis, and already assigned to the 5th century BC.

But here you are referering to another yoruba, Toyin Falola who followed suit after the like of Akinwande Ogunrinde,Akinjogbin whose information on radio carbondate are based on reference of white scholars. Indeed! you are quite funny.

So, you say West Africa, predated Egypt? You must be a joke! Anyway, I hope you view is base on sentiment because there is no such information. In fact,the oldest fossil s in Jebel Irhoud, Morroco, Etthiopia, and Israel.

1.Morocco
The oldest Homo sapiens fossils are around 300,000 years old

2.Ethiopia
Homo sapiens fossils in two locations have been dated to between 195,000 and 160,000 years old

3.Misliya, Mount Carmel, Israel
Earliest modern human fossil found outside Africa has been dated to between 177,000 and 194,000 years old
The Radioactive dating of the fossil and tools at between 177,000 and 194,000 years old

Bro, I can't find the West Africa you desire so much! Perhaps, you have alternate researchers from Africa with a better radioactive dating .

.

Amujale:


Firstly, who is Frank Willet to reject Ogundiran's findings?

Frank Willet is a Eurocentric liar and faker bro.

How would you expect a Eurocentric to accept that Ife civilisation is older than that of Ancient Egypt?

Bro, i would rather take the word of the reknowned archeologist Professor Ogundiran who's verifiable works we talk about over the director of a Western World's museum that spends most of his time sitting on an armchair.

Go and check them out for yourself and acquire the rights to see his submissions.

For these reasons, its easy for anyone to accept Ogundiran's findings.

The only true African history is that which is derived by Africans, by default other versions are false and invalid.


Furthermore, the reference i made is cited from Ogundiran's own journal as one of the authors of a Cambridge University publication titled 'History in Africa'. Vol. 28 (2001), pp. 203-223



I 100% back the carbon dating methods Ogundiran made use of throughout his campaign.

You are a funny chap because of your love for Africa in defiant of fact. The 350 bce. was based o speculation by Folster in Ozanne 1969:32,which was cited by both Ogundiran (2002, p.c. and Drewal (2009:80 . And has been rejected by Frank Willett (2004) and others for lack of supporting scientific evidence.

Infact, Ifa corpus clearly doesn't relate to Africa but people generally and Near East . In doubt? Take for instance, Ifa mentioned places such as Ur-Or-Orun(sun)~-Heat land and Amororo(moon) but not in Africa. Have you any place or ethnic group apart from Yoruba and Near East with such name of places and description of sun in Africa? If you don't have answers to the mentioned place and moon ,then case is close.

Olu317:
...The 350 bce. was based o speculation by Folster in Ozanne 1969:32,which was cited by both Ogundiran (2002, p.c. and Drewal (2009:80 . And has been rejected by Frank Willett (2004) and others for lack of supporting scientific evidence.

 

Amujale:

Frank Willet is a Eurocentric liar and faker bro.

Furthermore,  you seem to be misconstruing my post, quoting a third party, when my reference is clearly cited as:

Ogundiran's own journal as one of the authors of a Cambridge University publication titled 'History in Africa'. Vol. 28 (2001), pp. 203-223.

I have made no mention of either Foster or Drewal.
How have you managed to misconcrue the points made here.

Olu317:

Bro, I can't find the West Africa you desire so much! Perhaps, you have alternate researchers from Africa with a better radioactive dating .

Presicely the reason
i advice you to go and read the following books on African history:

.The West Africansic :from prehistoric times to present by Toyin Falola.

.The African Origin of Civilisation by Cheikh Anta Diop

.The History of the West African sic: From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the British Protectorate by Samuel Johnson.

Olu317:

Obviously you are absolutely ignorant of the fact that Tariqh Sawandi says...

Tariqh Sawandi is one of them Islamic scholar that remain disconnected from reality; his attempt to try and use Abrahamic historicity narratives to determine African history. Peddling a false and nonsensical claims on history.

All the writers that make such claims have always been found to be of Abrahamic religious background.

The evidence given by people who claim that Yoruba migrated into Africa is unverifiable. Mostly based on foreign rhetoric and false perceptions are known to us as Abrahamic historiographies and historicities.

Its impossible for Yoruba to have migrate from the Middle East due to the fact that when the Yoruba and other West Africans are living in their glourious communities, there was no people living in what is now Asia.

Amujale:



Presicely the reason
i advice you to go and read the following books on African history:

.The West Africansic :from prehistoric times to present by Toyin Falola.

.The African Origin of Civilisation by Cheikh Anta Diop

.The History of the West African sic: From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the British Protectorate by Samuel Johnson.

Bro, you are the oen who need learn more about Africa and Near East because I have given nformation, you havent being able to provide necessary answers to . Instead, you flip over and mention names that are not conversant with Yoruba IFAODU and Near East Link or Egypt's . Honestly, It is unhealthy to position Chiekh Anta Diop as an authority on Yoruba's history because the most prolific attention he drew to himself was his scientific line , that the ancient Egyptians were pure Negroes but never actually emphasis his research on Yoruba ancestry .Even if this is true to a large extent, that Egytian were darker skin and not Negroes from the earliest time but it was unfortunately for Egypt that she was conquered six affirmed or orey different times by different groups, even among them were Babylonia, Greek, Hykos , Roman etc . So what is your point of mentioning Diop when he has no knowledge of Ifaodu?

Are you aware that during the conquest of Egypt ny Babylonian empire , was the reason one of the King Ammon exised? Yes, because participated in the campaign against Egypt when Isrela was vassal state uunder Babylonia. Hezekiah's descendants was then named Ammun~Amon who was fathered ny Mannaseh, who was a son to Hezekiah himself. This information is a name of a Temple in Thebes which was destroyed. In addition, many ancient papyri discovered by archaeologists point at an Egyptian origin" of Yoruba , (Tariqh Sawandi: ‘Yorubic medicine: The Art of divine herbology).'


Advice: kindly do better research without sentiment instead of emotional attachment.



Cheers

Olu317:
Are you aware that during the conquest of Egypt ny Babylonian empire , was the reason one of the King Ammon exised? Yes, because participated in the campaign against Egypt when Isrela was vassal state uunder Babylonia. Hezekiah's descendants was then named Ammun~Amon who was fathered ny Mannaseh, who was a son to Hezekiah himself. This information is a name of a Temple in Thebes which was destroyed. In addition, many ancient papyri discovered by archaeologists point at an Egyptian origin" of Yoruba , (Tariqh Sawandi: ‘Yorubic medicine: The Art of divine herbology).'


Advice: kindly do better research without sentiment instead of emotional attachment.



Cheers

I've heard of Dr. Tariqh Sawandi and he is remarkable medical practitioner, and i love his work very well.

I dont have anything bad to say about him as an individual, a great guy.

Yet, adventure into history turns into one of those brainwashed scholar whose fundamental objective is to meet with the requirements of the Abrahamic religions.

An historian reknown for having Abrahimic religious motive, making use of those text to make most of his arguments.

The problem with using Abrahamic text as a source, makes the conclusions wrong.

Futhermore, he is an Islamic scholar, that further disqualifies him from being seen as a genuine African academic.

These type of authors are guilty of the same criminality befitting the authors of Abrahamic text themselves. Creating false an illogical narratives and trying to present it as real.

Yoruba are indigenous to Nigeria.

Olu317:


Honestly, It is unhealthy to position Chiekh Anta  Diop as an authority on Yoruba's history because the most prolific attention he drew to himself was his scientific line , that the ancient Egyptians were pure Nubia but never actually emphasis his research on Yoruba ancestry.

Yes, that absolutely correct and these are the same scientific and analytical proof i talk about here, posted a few books that are good to read.


Lets assume these two versions of history

(a) Real History - A true account of events.

(b) Manufactured history - A fabrication of past events. A false representation of past events.

Olu317:

Even if this is true to a large extent, that Egytian were  darker skin and not Nubia from the earliest time but it was unfortunately for  Egypt that she  was conquered six affirmed or orey different times by different groups, even among them were Babylonia, Greek, Hykos , Roman etc . So what is your point of mentioning Diop when he has no knowledge of...

Kindly use Nubia opposed to the 'N' word, that word is toxic.

Egyptology is a topic everone should learm from African historians experts on the subject.

Lets assume Nubians are one of the accepted technical terms properly allowed to dominate African Egyptology, writtings.

One cannot assune the qualification of genuine African historian if one attempts to makes use of any sort of Abrahamic religious historicity in ones determinations.

Read into African history in accordance to genuine African historians, academics and scholars.


Read as many books from these type of authors:

Cheikh Anta Diop: He authored 'African origin of civilisation.

Hendrik Clarke: He authored 'Christopher Columbus..

Ivan Sertima: He authored 'They came before Columbus'

Paul Barton: He authored 'A History of the African-Olmecs

Understanding the correct and proper perspective of where Africas true place is in World History.

According to historians, 50% of World History occurs within the place they call Africa.

The study into African history proves beyond reasonable doubt that our ancestors are influencing the progress of humanity before either Asia or Europe had inhabitants.

Olu317:

Honestly, It is unhealthy to position Chiekh Anta  Diop as an authority on Yoruba's history because the most prolific attention he drew to himself was his scientific line , that the ancient Egyptians were pure Nubia but never actually emphasis his research on Yoruba...

Yes, that absolutely correct and these are the same scientific and analytical proof talked about here, i posted a few books that are good to read.

Most of the historian sources are seasoned academics with various accolades in the professions of History, Archeology, Anthropology, Palentology, Biology, Morphology, Anatomical, Genetics and the other core sciences.

Its from the combination of the studies in these disciplines that help historians to identify with their timeline that outlines the bases for their studies.

p/s my reference to Diop is sourced from his book 'The African origins of Civilisation'.

Amujale:


Yes, that absolutely correct and these are the same scientific and analytical proof i talk about here, posted a few books that are good to read.


Lets assume these two versions of history

(a) Real History - A true account of events.

(b) Manufactured history - A fabrication of past events. A false representation of past events.





Kindly use Nubia opposed to the 'N' word, that word is toxic.

Egyptology is a topic everone should learm from African historians experts on the subject.

Lets assume Nubians are one of the accepted technical terms properly allowed to dominate African Egyptology, writtings.

One cannot assune the qualification of genuine African historian if one attempts to makes use of any sort of Abrahamic religious historicity in ones determinations.

Read into African history in accordance to genuine African historians, academics and scholars.


Read as many books from these type of authors:

Cheikh Anta Diop: He authored 'African origin of civilisation.

Hendrik Clarke: He authored 'Christopher Columbus..

Ivan Sertima: He authored 'They came before Columbus'

Paul Barton: He authored 'A History of the African-Olmecs

Understanding the correct and proper perspective of where Africas true place is in World History.

According to historians, 50% of World History occurs within the place they call Africa.

The study into African history proves beyond reasonable doubt that our ancestors are influencing the progress of humanity before either Asia or Europe had inhabitants.

1.Cheikh Anta Diop: He authored 'African origin of civilisation

You see, I don't have anything against Cheikh Anta Diop for portraying Africa continent with his perspective of Afrocentrism but, was too emotional . Instead of being objective, he overstreched his view by diminutive of different people in Africa as if they were one ethnicity, which is the reason his book is restricted to people of your like mind even if one reads for criticism. Infact his position hasn't been so true so far with the assertion of civilization being from Africa because this view has been Knocked off outrightly with evidence of radioactive dating that put Göbekli Tepe as the oldest which was founded about 11,500 years ago.


You in doubt? Well the pride of Africa is the Temple of Luxor which is located on the east bank of the River Nile in the ancient city of Thebes and was founded in 1400 BC during the New Kingdom. This temple was dedicated to the three Egyptian gods Amun, Mut, and Chons. This old temple was the center of the festival of Opet, Thebes’ most important festival. Thus Göbekli Tepe unarguably world's oldest temple. You see,if you indeed want to go farther as an Orisa ,then dissecting through objectivity in your claim need be priority.

2. Hendrik Clarke: authored 'Christopher Columbus.

3. Ivan Sertima: authored 'They came before Columbus'

4. Paul Barton:authored 'A History of the African-Olmecs


The people you metioned above havent answered the purported people who populated Africa but differnwt people's might who lived in Africa such as:

Nubia/Bantu people: darksin with often broad or flat nose

Ethiopia: anciently as dark skin with prolix hair or straight hair people with nostril that falls with the flat,broad or moderate

Moor/Maghreb/Berber:anciently with kinky or curly hair people with different types of nostril but mostly not flat nor broad

The purported people that were in America before Columbus were all groups included Mende~Bantu ~Olmec people,Oromo,Tigrayans, Amhara, (different groups),people of Indus valley etc. So no need for overstretching these peoples's books on Africa because Africa has NO one homogeneous language, which meant they were different groups from thousands of thousands years ago.

On this linguistic , do I position Yoruba as non Africans from inception because Apart from yoruba people , affiliated Egypt land and Near East, you haven't shown where Ur or Or is in East Africa, or West Africa that is populated by Bantu people who developed from Niger Congo line through Adamawa and to the other parts.
Why isn't this so from linguistic angle? Please don't claim 2000 years ago or 5000 years ago language mutilated because you are 5000% WRONG.

Trust me Sir, I know classical Hebrew purely with great humility do I translate it with cognate meaning from well researched classical Biblical Hebrew dictionary.



Cheers

2mch:
Yoruba are indigenous to Nigeria.

Smiles.Whatever your opinion is, remains yours forever. I appreciate your love for Nigeria.


Cheers

Amujale:


I've heard of Dr. Tariqh Sawandi and he is remarkable medical practitioner, and i love his work very well.

I dont have anything bad to say about him as an individual, a great guy.

Yet, adventure into history turns into one of those brainwashed scholar whose fundamental objective is to meet with the requirements of the Abrahamic religions.

An historian reknown for having Abrahimic religious motive, making use of those text to make most of his arguments.

The problem with using Abrahamic text as a source, makes the conclusions wrong.

Futhermore, he is an Islamic scholar, that further disqualifies him from being seen as a genuine African academic.

These type of authors are guilty of the same criminality befitting the authors of Abrahamic text themselves. Creating false an illogical narratives and trying to present it as real.

Do you actually know what Abraham means? Get Semitic knowledge and let's see how you will feel



Cheers

Olu317:


Do you actually know what Abraham means? Get Semitic knowledge and let's see how you will feel



Cheers

Abraham is a ficticious character and is of no relevance to history.

Olu317:


1.Cheikh Anta Diop: He authored 'African origin of civilisation

You see, I don't have anything against Cheikh Anta Diop for portraying Africa continent with his perspective of Afrocentrism but, was too emotional . Instead of being objective, he overstreched his view by diminutive of different people in Africa as if they were one ethnicity, which is the reason his book is restricted to people of your like mind even if one reads for criticism. Infact his position hasn't been so true so far with the assertion of civilization being from Africa because this view has been Knocked off outrightly with evidence of radioactive dating that put Göbekli Tepe as the oldest which was founded about 11,500 years

Cheers

Diop's conclusions is used by all the sensible African historians out there.

Kindly quote who that knocked Diop's conclusions and when.

Cheikh Anta Diop is a known Africanist NOT an Afrocentric.

His works are based not on guess work, but thorough analytical and scientific analysis.


All that you state above are the ones that needs refuting because they arent based on logical conclusions, rather are loosely based on out dated Eurocentric and Asian bias.

There’s need to understand that the way Africans operate in the ancient times cannot be crosschecked by making use of Eurocentric and or Asian bias text or viewpoints.

Furthermore, the greatest significance of "Gobekli Tepe" is shroud in the myth that it supposedly the birth place of civilisation, however untrue that may seem, it's sacred significance however, is in the fact that the people who built "Gobekli Tepe" are rightfully deemed the first religious gathering to come out of Europe.

Gobekli Tepe is known as the oldest sacred site in all of Europe. Africa predates Europe.

Every sensinle historian knows that Africa predates Europe, the "Out of Africa" experience that occcured thousands upon thousands of years ago thatbled to the populstion of Asia and Europe

African historians have been proven to be more trustworthy than their Eurocentric and Asian peers.

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The Origins Of Civilisation: featuring Dr Cheikh Anta Diop (Senegalese historian, anthropologist, physicist who studied the origin of human ethnicity and pre- colonial African culture)

Humanity began in Africa and then they went forward to populate the rest of the world in what is commonly known as the "Out of Africa" theory

Africans are the first people to explore and populate all the other 'continents.

Africans invented paper and they invented the ink pen.

Africans discovered the concepts of literacy.

Africans discovered the concepts of numeracy.

Civilization began in Africa and then it proceeded to trickle out to the rest of the world.

Everyone currently living on planet Earth all descend from Africa.

For more information:

. Africa in World History by Dr Hendrik Clarke

. The African Origin of Civilisation by Cheikh Anta Diop

. Africa: mother of "Western civilization" by Yosef-Ben-Jochannan

. New dimensions in African history by Yosef-Ben-Jochannan and Dr Hendrik Clarke.

. They Came Before Columbus: The African Presence in Ancient America by Dr Ivan Sertima

Olu317:


2. Hendrik Clarke: authored 'Christopher Columbus.

3. Ivan Sertima: authored 'They came before Columbus'

4. Paul Barton:authored 'A History of the African-Olmecs


The people you metioned above havent answered the purported people who populated Africa but differnwt people's might who lived in Africa such as..

The reason i posted these authors is for people as you that need to further read, study and gain an accurate understanding of history.

Some of the questions that is posed by the falsities in African history are answered by the above authors

Amujale:


Diop's conclusions is used by all the sensible African historians out there.

Kindly quote who that knocked Diop's conclusions and when.

Cheikh Anta Diop is a known Africanist NOT an Afrocentric.

His works are based not on guess work, but thorough analytical and scientific analysis.


All that you state above are the ones that needs refuting because they arent based on logical conclusions, rather are loosely based on out dated Eurocentric and Asian bias.

There’s need to understand that the way Africans operate in the ancient times cannot be crosschecked by making use of Eurocentric and or Asian bias text or viewpoints.

Furthermore, the greatest significance of "Gobekli Tepe" is shroud in the myth that it supposedly the birth place of civilisation, however untrue that may seem, it's sacred significance however, is in the fact that the people who built "Gobekli Tepe" are rightfully deemed the first religious gathering to come out of Europe.

Gobekli Tepe is known as the oldest sacred site in all of Europe. Africa predates Europe.

Every sensinle historian knows that Africa predates Europe, the "Out of Africa" experience that occcured thousands upon thousands of years ago thatbled to the populstion of Asia and Europe

African historians have been proven to be more trustworthy than their Eurocentric and Asian peers.

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The Origins Of Civilisation: featuring Dr Cheikh Anta Diop (Senegalese historian, anthropologist, physicist who studied the human race’s origin and pre- colonial African culture)

How Göbekli Tepe in Europe?

Göbekli Tepe is a sanctuary built on a hilltop in southeastern Turkey,which is 11000+ years ago. ( Near East)

Olu317:


How Göbekli Tepe in Europe?

Göbekli Tepe is a sanctuary built on a hilltop in southeastern Turkey,which is 11000+ years ago. ( Near East)

Turkey is a transcontinental country, one of the few that are partially located in both Europe and Asia. The others are Russia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and Georgia.

Turkey's history connects them to Greek, Persian, Roman, Byzantine and Ottoman empires.

According to history, mondern day Istanbul was formerly Eastern Roman Empire's (Byzantium) capital city known as Constantinople.

Amujale:


Turkey is one of the few countries that are in Europe aswell as Asia. There history connects them to Greek, Persian, Roman, Byzantinr and Ottoman empires.

Istanbul was formely the Roman Empire's administrative capital, Constatinople

1) Yes it was a former Roman's administrative base at one time.

2 ) But Greek ruled Turkey earlier than Roman.

3) Infact The Levant and southern Anatolia (modern Turkey, where Antioch was situated) was a thoroughly international which were all controlled by Greeks.

4. The Assyrians,Persians,Egyptians, Babylonians, ruled Messapotamia~ Nineveh earlier than Greeks.

5) The point is that Roman Empire was not in existence when Göbekli Tepe existed.

Olu317:


1) Yes it was a former Roman's administrative base at one time.

2 ) But Greek ruled Turkey earlier than Roman.

3) Infact The Levant and southern Anatolia (modern Turkey, where Antioch was situated) was a thoroughly international which were all controlled by Greeks.

4. The Assyrians,Persians,Egyptians, Babylonians, ruled Messapotamia~ Nineveh earlier than Greeks.

5) The point is that Roman Empire was not in existence when Göbekli Tepe existed.

Kindly dont misconscrue what is being said.

Nobody said Roman Empire was in existence then.

The point is that Turkey is classed as both a European and Asian country.

Gobekli Tepe is situated within the region they class as Europe.

There are various sites that are older within Africa.

Hence,

Amujale:


.. the greatest significance of "Gobekli Tepe" is shroud in the myth that it supposedly the birth place of civilisation, however untrue that may seem, it's sacred significance however, is in the fact that the people who built "Gobekli Tepe" are rightfully deemed the first religious gathering to come out of Europe.

Gobekli Tepe is known as the oldest sacred site in all of Europe. Africa predates Europe.