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Re: Religion Is The Problem Of Africa And The Reason For Backwardness In Africa by CodeTemplar: 11:34pm On Jul 22, 2019
FOLYKAZE:


Save us all your rants and simply tell us how CHRISTIANITY HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFRICA
How was Africa before Christianity? More developed or less developed? Can you separate Christianity from these changes? Answer those and you have your answers.

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Re: Religion Is The Problem Of Africa And The Reason For Backwardness In Africa by FOLYKAZE(m): 12:14am On Jul 23, 2019
CodeTemplar:
How was Africa before Christianity? More developed or less developed? Can you separate Christianity from these changes? Answer those and you have your answers.

Can you see how delusional you are?

Before Christianity, Africa built the sphinx and Pyramid.

Before Christianity, the first civilization in the world was witnessed in Africa.

Before Christianity, the Efik invented a writing system, one of the oldest in the world.

Before Christianity, the Benin Empire had a wall with size larger than that of China. The street of Benin had street lamp, interlocked streets and urban setting. This is the period European were living in cave.

Before Christianity, the Ifa spiritual system brought about many medicines that have helped in saving lives. Cotton Mather who introduced small-pox inoculation in the West learnt it from a slave named Onesimus . https://www.history.com/news/smallpox-vaccine-onesimus-slave-cotton-mather

The binary coding is an invention of Orunmila, long before computer was invented.
http://ancientblackhistory..com/2016/06/ifa-divination-computer-science-256-odus.html?m=1
Fractal geometry, the binary system, were used in Africa before the West got a conception of them. In fact, scholars thought they had reached the epitome of mathematical thought before they were introduced to fractal geometry in Africa.

The modern science, mathematics, architecture, astronomy, chemistry and lot of subjects have it root in Africa, where people across the world come to learn. Reverse is the case since knowledge has been completely destroyed by Christianity and Islam.
Pythagorus, Aristotle, Piccasso, were all beneficiaries of African innovation.

In the 14th century, the West African empire of Mali was larger than Western Europe and reputed to be one of the richest economy in the world, shadowing Europe and Asia. When the emperor of Mali, Mansa Musa visited Cairo in 1324, it was said that he took so much gold with him that its price fell dramatically and had not recovered its value even 12 years later.

The empire of Songhay was known, among other things, for the university of Sankore based in Timbuktu. When the world lives in darkness, Africa own and built University where researches were been carried out. In fact, the biggest Library in the world was in Egypt and got destroyed by demonic Islamic and Christians mofos.

The Dogons of Mali understood astrology before any modern astrologer. They have detail of sirius B and knew this without any sophisticated tool.

Therefore I can say that before the advent of Christianity, Africa is well developed and organised. And it is Islam and Christianity that brought us into this backwardness.

I can go on and on listing the advancement and development of Africa by their own self. The political sophistication and stability. And I can list hundreds of invention ranging from health, surgical treatment, technology, architecture achievements, structural engineering which all stem from African spirituality. Can you tell us the medicine for headache in Christianity? There is none.

Now I have answered you. Can you now tell us how Christianity has contributed to the development of Africa?

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Re: Religion Is The Problem Of Africa And The Reason For Backwardness In Africa by orisa37: 5:31am On Jul 23, 2019
FOLYKAZE:


This one is mad.
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Foly. I no yarn opata and I no mad. Na Prophesy you de hear so.

Tell me what development pass thou shall not bleep my wife behind me, thou shall not thief my ego which Africans were doing wrecklessly and dying for before Oyinbo brought the 10 laws?

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Re: Religion Is The Problem Of Africa And The Reason For Backwardness In Africa by MuttleyLaff: 7:17am On Jul 23, 2019
FOLYKAZE:
They should have oti sewon for displaying crass ignorance and vomiting garbage?

You should help them out instead of cheering them.
It's you who need help out here, more than anyone else

FOLYKAZE:
List the benefit of religion to Africa as a whole.
FOLYKAZE, I know you're very well conversant with the bible, so I'll ask and request that you look it up James 1:27 and then paste here in as many translations you fancy, for all to see and read, what James 1:27, says about religion please, hmm? Let's find out and know what religion is, as in, find out and know what is religion that is true, pure and without any fault whatsoever FOLYKAZE. Go ahead please, let's have some research from the Bible thats talked about this particular and specified religion FOLYKAZE

FOLYKAZE:
Give me ten example of how religion has benefited us here.
1/ The barbarous killing of twin babies and eating of human’s flesh among the Calabar people in Cross River state in the Eastern part of Naija stopped. Defying the customs (i.e.''aṣa-ilẹ'') and so therefore, the village chief’s decree, hundreds of baby twins abandoned in forests, were saved from death. This particular benefit of religion, came about, via Scottish missionary, Mary Slessor.
2/ Fighting against and/or opposing the sub Saharan Africa Atlantic slave trade, that culminated to the abolition of the sub Saharan Africa Atlantic slave trad, is another particular benefit of religion, which came about, via people like William Wilberforce dubbed the "Conscience of Parliament" and John Newton, himself, a former slave trader, and composer of the famous "Amazing Grace" song with the "I once was lost but now I'm found, was blind but now I see.'" lyrics
3/ The African health landscape changed for the better, leading to an increase in the life expectancy of Africans, decline in child and maternal mortality rates. as the causes of mortality among infants and young children were reduced because missionary religious works often came with health care, health facilities, medical dimensions and training of Africans as medical auxiliaries.
4/ The founding of the first schools that provided the ability to read and write and so Western education to Naija were by courtesy of Christian missions and their missionary religious works. For example, CMS Grammar School in Bariga, founded on 6 June 1859 by the Church Missionary Society, is the oldest secondary school in Nigeria. Methodist Boys' High School, formerly called Wesleyan Boys’ High School, located in Victoria Island, Lagos, founded 1878, and the second secondary school established in Nigeria. Igbobi College, Yaba Lagos, founded through collaboration of the Methodist Church Nigeria and the Anglican Communion in Nigeria, in 1932. Baptist Academy, Obanikoro,Yaba, established in 1855 by the American Baptist Missionaries. Eko Boys High School Lagos, founded 13 January 1913 by Rev. William Benjamin Euba, former principal of Methodist Boys High School, Lagos, for seventeen years before establishing Eko Boys High School. Queen’s College, one of the foremost Secondary Schools for girls education, established 1927. Saint Teresa’s College, Ibadan. Saint Annes School was established in 1869 by the Church Missionary Society (CMS). The school was established specifically for girls. It was initially called CMS Girls School and later became CMS Girls’ Seminary. Thus, it can be said to be the oldest girls’ school in Nigeria. It was, however, moved to its present site from Lagos and having been merged with Kudeti Girls School, Ibadan, it metamorphosed into St. Annes School in 1950. Hope Waddell Training Institution, Calabar, Cross River State, founded by missionaries from the United Presbyterian Church of Scotland in 1895. Nigeria's first primary school at Badagry, established by the Methodist mission in 1843, etcetera
5/ Missionary religious works contributed towards eradication of the negative and harmful "Osu" caste system practices, which is an ancient practice in Igboland that discourages social interaction and marriage with a group of persons called "Osu," when translated from Igbo, "Osu" means outcast
6/ The English language brought by the missionary workers is now being used as the main language in Nigeria and the benefit is that it makes communication and interaction easier among the many and diverse ethnic groups in the country
7/ We benefited from the orthography of indigenous languages in the country efforts of missionary workers, the likes of Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther etcetera
8/ Produced elites who were equipped to fight the political system and lead the nationalist struggle for the country's independence
9/ The emergence of African-initiated church (AIC) which is church independently started in Africa by Africans (e.g. RCCG, Christ Embassy, Winners Chapel, Deeper Life, Celestial Church of Christ, Cherubim and Seraphim Aladura) created opportunities to head and lead a religious group
10/ Benefited from the foundational roles put in to build in the country, civil people with civil behaviour and in a civil society.

FOLYKAZE:
What is the contribution of religion to our national development?
I have already attended to this request and given the answers above to it

FOLYKAZE:
With religion, esp the foreign ones, we have more social vices and instability than ever witnessed in African history. Is this what you call benefit?
Maybe they are doing religion that isnt true, pure and without faults then

FOLYKAZE:
I been dey think say you don kpain o. Sniper no dey ur side? Seriously, I do not wish you death but trying to show you the fallacy in the concept of Heaven with that line of argument
"Do not excel at wickedness, nor be a fool. Why die before your time?"
-Ecclesiastes 7:17

"and so that you may live long in the land the LORD swore to your ancestors to give to them and their descendants, a land flowing with milk and honey."
- Deuteronomy 11:9

"... God doesnt condone nor condemn suicide..."
- Re: Jesus' Commandment To Love Our Neighbors, Even Our Enemies by MuttleyLaff: 3:48pm On Jul 15

Even if you wish me death, I have more sense wiseness to ignore your wish. Look at Ecclesiastes 7:17 above for the reason why. Do you at all, understand the implication of the above Deuteronomy 11:9b idiomatic expression, hmm? (i.e. ''a land flowing with milk and honey'') I can shed light on ''a land flowing with milk and honey'' if you're inclined to know more about, but suffice to say, its about and has to do with pain and gain, as in, "luctor et emergo," that's latin, meaning "struggle and emerge"

There is nothing to show as fallacy in the concept of Heaven. The concept of Heaven is about a kingdom, a domain, as in, an area of territory owned and/or controlled by a particular ruler or government. Case in point, Nigeria and other commonwealth countries owned and/or controlled by Britain, the former British Empire.

Do you know that the devil is the only person that suggested to another person to go kill themselves, hmm?. I think I am right on that. Also, are you aware that anyone who actually goes through and commits plain straight and undiluted suicide, had at that moment of doing the act gone wacko, as in, a temporary madness gone too far, hmm? So from that and especially from what, I've got to learned about the subject, I am not one to judge persons who have died by committing plain straight and undiluted suicide.

One's life is the property of God and it is a gift. Life is to be perpetuated for as long as it possibly can be. You keep alive, stay alive, keep on going, keep in existence, preserve yourself. Life is for enjoying the moment, not hating. In spite of whatever and whether one likes life or not, you don't just like that, destroy it or be egging anyone on, urging them ahead, to go take their lives FOLYKAZE. God forbid such person already was nursing and playing around with suicidal thoughts in his/her mind

Death is a universal truth that can never be defied. Death will come, it is mandatory too, so why rush to or chase after it. Why carelessly shorten life by bad or foolish actions?

FOLYKAZE:
That aside, Ogbeni, you are now becoming more of Emperor Musiwa. Na simple question I dey ask you wey you dey yarn opata.
Look at this funny man. You get jokes abi, hmm mister funny bones?

FOLYKAZE:
Tell us how religion has benefited human.

Tell us 10 contributions of religion to Africa.

What are the contributions of religion to human development and growth?
I have already attended to this request and quite easily given the answers to them above.

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Re: Religion Is The Problem Of Africa And The Reason For Backwardness In Africa by FOLYKAZE(m): 7:24am On Jul 23, 2019
orisa37:
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Foly. I no yarn opata and I no mad. Na Prophesy you de hear so.

Tell me what development pass thou shall not bleep my wife behind me, thou shall not thief my ego which Africans were doing wrecklessly and dying for before Oyinbo brought the 10 laws?

I will dignify you with response, not because you are making sense.

Africa has a legal system before the Europeans came. And those who act contrary to the law are been sent to prison called 'tubu' in Yoruba.

For example, have you ever heard of this phrase, epe ni p'ole? That is a Yoruba law that negates stealing.

The culture abolish raping, divorce and fornication. It is Christianity that brought concept of single man and single woman, not considering that women overpopulate men by ratio 3:1. The barbaric single marriage cost America that largest broken home through divorces. Such wasn't happening here before until your barbaric religion came. We are now have rampart divorce and growing number of single mothers.

Have you heard a report that Babalawo raped someone? Or slept with another Awo wife? Such is abomination and can cost the culprit his life. Ewo!. Raping and sexual misconduct is rampart in Christianity and Islam. It is you guys forcing little children into marriage, it is also you guys raping church members. Na only you?

Need not to forget the homosexuality practise came with Christianity. It is alien to our culture. No thanks to Christianity that re determined to force homosexuality on us.

Christianity and Islam have only brought evil to Africa. And should be totally scrapped because it is not our own. African should return to their original root

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Re: Religion Is The Problem Of Africa And The Reason For Backwardness In Africa by EmperorHarry: 7:38am On Jul 23, 2019
FOLYKAZE:


Save us all your rants and simply tell us how CHRISTIANITY HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFRICA
Formal Education which in itself is the foundation of most developments in Africa in the the modern ages.You've been mentioning developments that are considered archaic when compared to the development in world powers today at the time.Why were we colonised in the first place if we were at the same level of advancement as the British?
Mary Slessor the woman who stopped the ignorant and barbaric killing of a twin in calabar which shows just how backward African traditions and beliefs were in certain parts of the continent even to this day.It
Took the centralized powers from the chief priests and offered a open,free to all access to the one anybody wants to term as God.This paved the way for personal spirituality and relationship with what one calls God and not the dependency on some old dude(Stereotypical) that feels he only communicates with the gods and speaks it's mind without questioning from the masses.
Democracy and modern day justice system.
Introduction of basic human rights which were restricted from masses by authority and elders.Females were given out to whomever her parents wished and children had arranged marriages with whomever their parents wished.Sold out for monetary gain or produce even in this day and age.Who am I to judge tho?
I can spend all day mentioning how Christianity through colonials catalyzed the development of certain African countries but colonialism isn't something one should be proud of.Mind you,Egypt was once a world power and a religious one with advancements in science,technology,medicine and education that are foundations of the science, technology,medicine,philosophy and education we see in the modern ages.Greece was once a religious country and before the time of Socrates which marked the dawn of modern day philosophy,they had developed remarkably.
I still don't why you would associate religion with progress or development.It is humans that use religion for the wrong reasons through personal and selfish interests.Every cause is subject to human influence whether good or bad ,religion included.You can't disassociate the human condition from religion and while there are folks who do good for religious reasons,there are those that do wrong for religious reasons within the same religion.
Stupidity and ignorance is a human condition we have to deal with in all spheres of life and you can't just erase it by attacking religion.I would agree with anyone that suggests that religion should be used to educate the masses through religious teachings and leadersbut then my question is just how many people are willing to ask,seek and find knowledge for themselves?.I attended a church where the preacher was talking about science even tho it had a religious undertone.The facial expressions I saw when I looked around made me was pathetic and proof of how apathetic people are towards knowledge and philosophy.The problem is much deeper than religion bruv.
I'll pull the brakes here cos I'm driving off the original purpose of this reply but I advice you don't look through shaded glasses when you can see through crystal clear lens.

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Re: Religion Is The Problem Of Africa And The Reason For Backwardness In Africa by CodeTemplar: 7:44am On Jul 23, 2019
FOLYKAZE:


Can you see how delusional you are?

Before Christianity, Africa built the sphinx and Pyramid.

Before Christianity, the first civilization in the world was witnessed in Africa.

Before Christianity, the Efik invented a writing system, one of the oldest in the world.

Before Christianity, the Benin Empire had a wall with size larger than that of China. The street of Benin had street lamp, interlocked streets and urban setting. This is the period European were living in cave.

Before Christianity, the Ifa spiritual system brought about many medicines that have helped in saving lives. Cotton Mather who introduced small-pox inoculation in the West learnt it from a slave named Onesimus . https://www.history.com/news/smallpox-vaccine-onesimus-slave-cotton-mather

The binary coding is an invention of Orunmila, long before computer was invented.
http://ancientblackhistory..com/2016/06/ifa-divination-computer-science-256-odus.html?m=1
Fractal geometry, the binary system, were used in Africa before the West got a conception of them. In fact, scholars thought they had reached the epitome of mathematical thought before they were introduced to fractal geometry in Africa.

The modern science, mathematics, architecture, astronomy, chemistry and lot of subjects have it root in Africa, where people across the world come to learn. Reverse is the case since knowledge has been completely destroyed by Christianity and Islam.
Pythagorus, Aristotle, Piccasso, were all beneficiaries of African innovation.

In the 14th century, the West African empire of Mali was larger than Western Europe and reputed to be one of the richest economy in the world, shadowing Europe and Asia. When the emperor of Mali, Mansa Musa visited Cairo in 1324, it was said that he took so much gold with him that its price fell dramatically and had not recovered its value even 12 years later.

The empire of Songhay was known, among other things, for the university of Sankore based in Timbuktu. When the world lives in darkness, Africa own and built University where researches were been carried out. In fact, the biggest Library in the world was in Egypt and got destroyed by demonic Islamic and Christians mofos.

The Dogons of Mali understood astrology before any modern astrologer. They have detail of sirius B and knew this without any sophisticated tool.

Therefore I can say that before the advent of Christianity, Africa is well developed and organised. And it is Islam and Christianity that brought us into this backwardness.

I can go on and on listing the advancement and development of Africa by their own self. The political sophistication and stability. And I can list hundreds of invention ranging from health, surgical treatment, technology, architecture achievements, structural engineering which all stem from African spirituality. Can you tell us the medicine for headache in Christianity? There is none.

Now I have answered you. Can you now tell us how Christianity has contributed to the development of Africa?
Stop the lies. Where all those imaginary edifices? You mean with all these technological advancement we couldn't resist few slave traders in our own back yard and religion is the difference. In fact the with mans religion is the one that brought all those advancement in ancient times.

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Re: Religion Is The Problem Of Africa And The Reason For Backwardness In Africa by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:29am On Jul 23, 2019
MuttleyLaff:


FOLY, I know you're very well conversant with the bible, so I'll ask and request that you look it up James 1:27 and then paste here in as many translations you fancy, for all to see and read, what James 1:27, says about religion please, hmm? Let's find out and know what religion is, as in, find out and know what is religion that is true, pure and without any fault whatsoever FOLY. Go ahead please, let's have some research from the Bible thats talked about this particular and specified religion FOLY

Unless you can prove that Christianity brought something new, that Africa religion system do not preserve and take proper care of widows and orphans, then your bible verse will not be acceptable. However, the foreign religion brought nothing new. People down in Africa have always taken care of their helpless folks.


MuttleyLaff:
1/ The barbarous killing of twin babies and eating of human’s flesh among the Calabar people in Cross River state in the Eastern part of Naija stopped. Defying the customs (i.e.''aṣa-ilẹ'') and so therefore, the village chief’s decree, hundreds of baby twins abandoned in forests, were saved from death. This particular benefit of religion, came about, via Scottish missionary, Mary Slessor.

Twin babies are revered in Yoruba culture. Infact, they are been raised to the statue of God and worshipped in the society. In Yoruba culture, not even a witch is allowed to kill them. This is because they are sacred being in Yoruba culture. That for that.

The white lies that is spread about that Mary Slessor stopped the Killing of twins has to be stopped. It is a pure lie that have long been repeated which have almost become truth. Mary didn't stop sheez.

At the Marina Beach in Calabar, there is a Slave Museum - on the shores of Calabar. The Island of Mary Slessor's haven (where she kept the rescued twins) is visible from the shores. The Beach is infamous for warehousing thousands of kidnapped Africans before transporting them to slavery. The beach is Nigerian Eastern version of 'The Point of No Return.' And on that Beach was Mary Slessor's muster point. Have you ever asked yourself what happened to the hundred of twins Mary rescued? Did she send them back to their parents that forbade twins, or were the Twins taken to London and enrolled in the best schools to be groomed alongside with the children of the Lords? Obviously Nope, the part of her biography didn't note that. What are the names of these twin children? The hundreds of twins were saved from our fathers and waybilled to South Carolina in a Ship with mature slaves chained below the deck.

The lack of history in our schools would have revealed that white men history was heavily distorted and infested with white lies. There is no tribe in Nigeria that practice killing of twins. I have used Yoruba as a case study. And the so called saved twin were rather sold into slavery. Tell me that your definition of save is selling people to slavery.

Witch-branding is a relatively recent phenomenon in Nigeria. Its roots can be found in the rise of Pentecostalism in the 1990s.

http://theowp.org/reports/child-witch-branding-and-the-rise-of-pentecostalism-across-nigeria/

It is on record, that pastors in the Eastern Nigeria have killed hundred of thousands of accused children who are tagged as witch. This is happening in the center of Calabar where Mary Slessor is praise to have saved infant killings. The religion she brought, Christianity aided infanticide by branding little innocent children as with. Didn't your bible ask you to spare not the life of witch?

Christianity missioned by Mary Slessor didn't abolish twin killing. Infact, she sold them as slave instead of sending them to school. Not only that, Christianity condone killing with reports of wagon infanticide done in Churches by Pastors in accordance to the bible.


MuttleyLaff:
2/ Fighting against and/or opposing the sub Saharan Africa Atlantic slave trade, that culminated to the abolition of the sub Saharan Africa Atlantic slave trad, is another particular benefit of religion, which came about, via people like William Wilberforce dubbed the "Conscience of Parliament" and John Newton, himself, a former slave trader, and composer of the famous "Amazing Grace" song with the "I once was lost but now I'm found, was blind but now I see.'" lyrics

Do you have no shame? Sub saharan Africa slave trade start with Christian missionaries in accordance with the bible which support slavery.


MuttleyLaff:
3/ The African health landscape changed for the better, leading to an increase in the life expectancy of Africans, decline in child and maternal mortality rates. as the causes of mortality among infants and young children were reduced because missionary religious works often came with health care, health facilities, medical dimensions and training of Africans as medical auxiliaries.

Your ignorance stinks. Africa developed the first medical surgery. They treated diseases and illness by themselves before Europeans came. So what are you talking about here?

When Europeans were been killed around by small pox, the endemic was stopped by an African slave called Onesimus
https://www.history.com/news/smallpox-vaccine-onesimus-slave-cotton-mather

His master was a Christian.

WHO declared small pox eradicated in 1980s. The method the slave used was developed into vaccinations. Same method is been used today to fight virus infection. Using bacteria to kill bacteria, the whites are still studying it till tomorrow.

MuttleyLaff:
4/ The founding of the first schools that provided the ability to read and write and so Western education to Naija were by courtesy of Christian missions and their missionary religious works. For example, CMS Grammar School in Bariga, founded on 6 June 1859 by the Church Missionary Society, is the oldest secondary school in Nigeria. Methodist Boys' High School, formerly called Wesleyan Boys’ High School, located in Victoria Island, Lagos, founded 1878, and the second secondary school established in Nigeria. Igbobi College, Yaba Lagos, founded through collaboration of the Methodist Church Nigeria and the Anglican Communion in Nigeria, in 1932. Baptist Academy, Obanikoro,Yaba, established in 1855 by the American Baptist Missionaries. Eko Boys High School Lagos, founded 13 January 1913 by Rev. William Benjamin Euba, former principal of Methodist Boys High School, Lagos, for seventeen years before establishing Eko Boys High School. Queen’s College, one of the foremost Secondary Schools for girls education, established 1927. Saint Teresa’s College, Ibadan. Saint Annes School was established in 1869 by the Church Missionary Society (CMS). The school was established specifically for girls. It was initially called CMS Girls School and later became CMS Girls’ Seminary. Thus, it can be said to be the oldest girls’ school in Nigeria. It was, however, moved to its present site from Lagos and having been merged with Kudeti Girls School, Ibadan, it metamorphosed into St. Annes School in 1950. Hope Waddell Training Institution, Calabar, Cross River State, founded by missionaries from the United Presbyterian Church of Scotland in 1895. Nigeria's first primary school at Badagry, established by the Methodist mission in 1843, etcetera

Education existed in Africa long before the continent was colonized or even before the slave trade. Knowledge, skills and attitudes were passed from generation to generation mostly through word of mouth in the African societies. You should have simply used your google before embarrassing yourself.

The first university in the world is in Africa. According to Guinness record, the UNIVERSITY OF AL-KARAOUINE, was founded in 859 AD on the soil of Africa. Over 200yrs after, UNIVERSITY OF BOLOGNA, 1088 was founded in Italy. The first European missionaries in Africa established Christian schools in the late 15th century. That is 800yrs after the schools and educational centres in Africa were destroyed by the white missionaries. The spread of Christian missionary school was only witnessed in 19th century. That is 1300yrs after Africa owned her own University.

Mr Muttley, what significance is missionary schools that came 1,300yrs when education have been fully established in Africa? So, yes. Africa was self-contained, self-reliant. Africa had achieved everything important that the west hasn't, and might never achieve before they came and destroyed everything.


MuttleyLaff:
5/ Missionary religious works contributed towards eradication of the negative and harmful "Osu" caste system practices, which is an ancient practice in Igboland that discourages social interaction and marriage with a group of persons called "Osu," when translated from Igbo, Osu" means outcast

Has Igbo Castle system been completely eliminated? You should stop barefaced lies and distortion of facts.

MuttleyLaff:
6/ The English language brought by the missionary workers is now being used as the main language in Nigeria and the benefit is that it makes communication and interaction easier among the many and diverse ethnic groups in the country

They brought English language and have you lost your own mother tongue.

Is it that you have no shame MuttleyLaff?

Language is an identity of a people. It defines who they are and makes them communicate easily among themselves. This identity is been taken away from you and you are happy by it, counting it as White achievement. Do you have any atom of shame in you?

The indigenous language of Igbo people is fast dying, no thanks to English Language. In 100yrs from now, it sill be completely dead. And you are happy with that?


MuttleyLaff:
7/ We benefited from the orthography of indigenous languages in the country efforts of missionary workers, the likes of Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther etcetera

The Yoruba Bible version is a product from a slave who doesn't understand the language of his people as he was taken away at a very young age, somewhere around 10yrs old. That is why the Yoruba Bible is loaded with so much errors like Esu been called Satan.

You call this achievement? Seriously?

MuttleyLaff:
/ Produced elites who were equipped to fight the political system and lead the nationalist struggle for the country's independence

Africa devised a political system in a Empire thousands of years before Europeans could witnessed such.

Egypt 4500BCE-100AD, Kush 1000 BCE - 350CE, Axum. 500-1000CE, Kilwa. 800-1840CE, Benin. 1200-1897CE, Ghana. 300-900C and Songhai 1400-1500s CE, most of Europe was a jungle, waiting to be populated.

The political system in the Oyo Empire has never been witnessed in the history of any Europe nations.

The white missionaries only came to destroy these beautiful systems. They tempered with the peace, set nations against nation, and to make it worse, keep entirely different folks together as a nation which cost us national disunity we witnessed today.

In the words of Chinua Achebe, the Europeans ‘put a knife on everything that held us together, and we fell apart’.


MuttleyLaff:
9/ The emergence of African-initiated church (AIC) which is church independently started in Africa by Africans (e.g. RCCG, Christ Embassy, Winners Chapel, Deeper Life, Celestial Church of Christ, Cherubim and Seraphim Aladura) created opportunities to head and lead a religious group

Spread of propaganda, gullibility and intolerance. Erratically depletion of Africa religion system by tagging it evil and forcing people to embrace their own religion which they barely believe in.

And you call this achievement?

MuttleyLaff:
10/ Benefited from the foundational roles put in to build in the country, civil people with civil behaviour and in a civil society.

Homosexuality, rampart divorce, disregard of Elders, terrorism and racism is what you call civility. Well done sir.

[img]https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2b0629b0a6041d7038f3593abb6ff4e8-c[/img]

The ‘civilized’ Europeans tried to civilize this ‘uncivilized’ man from the Congo by killing his ‘uncivilized’ child and presenting him with the feet. His crime? He did not hit the day’s target of work set by the ‘civilized’ Europeans (Belgians) under the forced labor policy in Africa.

That is your definition of civility.

Civility according to you brought us a marriage system that produced single mothers and broken home ever known in history.

Thanks

MuttleyLaff:
I have already attended to this request and given the answers above to it

That is pure hogwash you have up there. All the things you called achievements are pure lies, distorted facts and bogus gifts that meant nothing to someone that had already achieved lot all by himself.

Europe and Christianity condone slavery. More than 11 millions were kidnapped and sold into the plantations where they never returned. Many years before Liberals fought against slavery, Ashanti queen Yaa Asantewaa led the war in 1901 to stop the barbaric sales of human. Christianity brought the evil of slavery on us.

Education and health care were here before the white people came. It is on record that Africa practice surgery without modern tools. They knew the body system and how to heal defections. Many of our medicines were saved the ravaged Europe when they were plagued with small pox.

Therefore, all the greek gift you called achievements are whitewashed and complete nonsense to someone that is already developed on his own. You have failed to present any tangible thing sire!

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Re: Religion Is The Problem Of Africa And The Reason For Backwardness In Africa by nelsonoba: 10:11am On Jul 23, 2019
FOLYKAZE:


This is you jumping all around because a supposed Christian is among the team of astronauts in manned mission to the moon. And, that he smuggled holy communion and some bible verse note in his pack. I will like to ask, does this make the mission a religious one.

Could you tell us the religion Neil Armstrong belong to? And did he partook in sharing communion?

Can you show us Bible verse that contain instructions on how to build rocket, launch it and orderly fire it way on mars and back?

And lastly, how has your religion contributed to space science?

This is what you should tell us instead of throwing tantrum about how one of the Astronauts is a christian. Does Christianity teaches us how to build rockets and fly to the moon? Show us the bible verses or from Jesus teaching that explicitly detail how to fly to the moon.



Mr, the mission is a development of science, and all it success would be attributed to science, not religion.

You still can't show us the contributions of Christianity to the mission success



Japan came first in technological advancement before USA. In Japan, religion is mostly Buddhism which doesn't recognise God/god



Sayeth who? Who told you he is a christian? Na which church he dey go?



How has that benefitted humanity as a whole? And what contribution does that add to Africa? You retort America this, America that forgetting the topic is about Africa. How does America Vice-president been a christian of any benefit to Africa? Has Malaria, HIV and measles stopped battling little children and women since he became elected?



You keep rambling about America this and that while the topic is about Africa.

Need I tell you sir! According to International Momentary Fund, the largest economy by PPP GDP in 2019 is CHINA. US you keep shouting came second.

Note, in China, they are tearing down churches and mosques, and total annihilating religion, yet doing better than whole Africa that embraces religion.



How does this junk benefit Africa?



China has gone to the farthest part of the moon where no one has reached before. Again, how has this benefitted Africa?



And they built plane by reading bible or by conducting scientific research?



Says who?



They have the highest numbers of homosexuals. That is their problem, the topic is Africa not America.



And they have highest gun violence than anywhere in the world. How has the number of Christians been of benefit to Africa?



Belief in God isn't same as religious. Many believe in God and do not subscribe to any religion.




Chinese do not believe in God but America still borrow from them. Not so?




So far so good, you have not shown us how Religion has really helped Africa to prosper. That is the bone of contention here sir.

The only thing you have succeeded doing is exposing your shallowness. I seriously don't know where to start with engagement with you. Is it with the balderdash that America is a Christian state or that you significantly do not know that the subject of discussion here is Africa and the dent religion has done to it.

You were all over, rambling and winning like a chicken that lost its head, moving in no direction.

Well, first and first. USA is not a Christian nation. In fact, they are one of the nations of the world with the jurisprudential concept for the separation of church and state. Conceptually, this refers to making USA a secular state, and disestablishment of any relationship previously between the church and the state. As such, in theory, America is not a Christian nation like you claimed.

The most important issue, which should be discussed is the contributions of religion to Africa as a whole. I have expected you to furnish us with ten benefits of your religion to humanity, esp Africa. The continent is meant to be the light of the world. It becomes the shadow of itself after the adventure of foreign religions.

Do you want me to show you how your religion destroyed Africa? It does it with the teaching of the bible.

Every turn in Nigeria, there is terrorism and so many social vices. No thanks to Islam... And no thanks to Christianity too. Both religion fester on division, hatred, intolerance and dissociation from peace.

With Islam and Christianity, morality and upstanding is dead. If it is not Imam adopting and forcing 9yrs girl into marriage, it is Pastor and Bishop involving in Sex scandal. Act that is unafrican.


The continent is going south because Christianity and Islam discriminate against knowledge. We have more churches and mosques than schools and religion centres in every street. People now value religion more than education.

The churches and mosques refuse to open their financial book, a callous way of preventing exposure of their frauds. And malicious means of avoiding payment of tax to the state which could be channelled into development.

The advent of Islam and Christianity have made many forget their history, heritage and cultural background. That is why a pathetic fella like nelsonoba can speak more about America, Jesus and Israel, way more than his own history. He is lost and lack directions.

Most religion countries have witnessed more violence, killings and public unrest. With very little of this experienced in lesser religiously populated nation.
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2017-08690-001

The GDP of countries generally correlates negatively with their religiosity, i.e. the wealthier a population is the more secular it is. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/41573799_Religion_and_Economic_Growth_Across_Countries

Gallup surveys, for example, have found that the world's poorest countries are consistently the most religious, perhaps because religion plays a more functional role (helping people cope) in poorer nations. https://news.gallup.com/poll/142727/religiosity-highest-world-poorest-nations.aspx

Another statistics reveal that those who are religious tend to have less intelligence and analytical skills when compared to non religious folks.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23921675/

The dreadful evil from Islam and Christianity is the enslavement of black people. Afterall, their scripture support it. It was in the past black folks are been captured and sold into slavery, now you folks are perpetual mental slave of the Jew. You abolish your origin and worship their God. What can be worse than slavery?
https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/applied-and-social-sciences-magazines/religion-and-slavery


These are ten problems religion infested on Africa, with the symptoms on other nations of the world. Can you disprove and deny these problems? Also tell us how religion, esp Christianity has contributed to human development. How has Christianity benefitted Africa positively.

Thanks

I can see you just woke up and decided to lay an ambush for me with the frustration you have with God. Let me make it clear to you before I answer a few of your questions, I AM NOT GOD! I DIDN'T CREATE YOU, GOD DID. SO CHANNEL YOUR GRIEVANCES TO HIM AND ASK HIM TO SORT YOU OUT. I CAN'T HELP YOU. I CAN ONLY POINT YOU TO GOD TO HELP YOU.

1) So you now know that christians who believe in God have been part of planning and making the conquest of space, using Buzz Aldrin as an example.........but you're angry to learn a christian was involved in this.

2) You were just shown a basic fact to bring you to the awareness that USA has the largest economy in the world, but you want to blindly argue that it's China. I don't argue established facts with people that made a decision to lie to themselves.

3) I made you aware that USA is the most advanced country in the world, but you want to argue that it's Japan. Japan that has a GDP less than $4trillion is now more advanced than USA with GDP more than $20trillion? Are you aware that most of the greatest tech innovations today come from American companies? Are you aware that the market value of the 7 top American companies is more than the entire GDP of Japan?
Do you know that if you add up the market value of APPLE, AMAZON, GOOGLE, MICROSOFT, FACEBOOK, ORACLE, EXXONMOBIL, the total value of these 7 companies as at today is higher than the entire GDP of Japan? And you tell me Japan is the most Advanced country? I am yet to meet an African looking for greener pasture that you offer the opportunity to either become an American citizen or a Japanese citizen, and they choose Japan ahead of America. Maybe you know in the world where you live.

4) USA is not a christian state as in theocracy, but it is a christian nation founded on Judeo-Christian values which were drawn from the bible, and as such it is a christian nation in that sense, just as Saudi Arabia is an Islamic nation because it is founded on Islamic values drawn from the koran. There are a few Saudi citizens who are christians, but that has not stopped Saudi Arabia from being an Islamic nation just because NOT 100% OF ITS CITIZENS ARE MUSLIMS, just as the fact that America has not stopped being a christian nation simply because not 100% of the citizens are christians.

5) HOW HAS CHRISTIANITY OR CHRISTIANS CONTRIBUTED TO SCIENCE/SPACE EXPLORATION?
Take a look at the history of the Wright Brother's who were the children of a Bishop. If they had not discovered the principles of flight and invented the first aeroplane, we would never have built upon that principle to get to space.

""Wright Brothers
HISTORY.COM EDITORS
Wilbur and Orville Wright were American inventors and pioneers of aviation. In 1903 the Wright brothers achieved the first powered, sustained and controlled airplane flight; they surpassed their own milestone two years later when they built and flew the first fully practical airplane.

Wilbur Wright was born on April 16, 1867, near Millville, Indiana. He was the middle child in a family of five children. His father, Milton Wright, was a bishop in the Church of the United Brethren in Christ. His mother was Susan Catherine Koerner. As a child Wilbur’s playmate was his younger brother, Orville Wright, born in 1871.

You can read the full biography here: https://www.history.com/topics/inventions/wright-brothers


The churches and mosques refuse to open their financial book, a callous way of preventing exposure of their frauds. And malicious means of avoiding payment of tax to the state which could be channelled into development.

6) The church is not a public institution, and so does NOT OWE YOU ANY EXPLANATION ON HOW THEIR RESOURCES ARE USED. Every church only has that obligation to their members and to Christ! I pay tithe to my church, and so I can walk into our church office at any time to find out what is being done with the money we give, but people like you who don't pay tithe or give to church have absolutely no business asking such questions. Or do you want to come and reap where you didn't sow?

7)
Most religion countries have witnessed more violence, killings and public unrest. With very little of this experienced in lesser religiously populated nation.
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2017-08690-001
Whoever wrote this is a bloody liar! Shameless liar in fact! On the contrary, atheism has caused the largest number of deaths in modern history, followed by islam.

Communism is an idea rooted in atheism, and listed below is the number of people slaughtered by communist regimes in the 20th century alone!

USSR -- 20 million killed

China -- 65 million killed

Vietnam -- 1 million killed

North Korea -- 2 million killed

Cambodia -- 2 million killed

Eastern Europe -- 1 million killed

Latin America -- 150,000 killed

Africa -- 1.7 million killed

Afghanistan -- 1.5 million killed

Communist movements, parties not in power -- 10,000 killed

Nazi Germany - over 20 million killed (including over 6million jews)!

Find more details here http://www.thecommentator.com/article/4230/so_how_many_did_communism_kill


Now, tell me how many millions you have heard christians killed in the 20th century? Whereas in the 20th century alone, Atheism alone has killed over 100 million people!


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The GDP of countries generally correlates negatively with their religiosity, i.e. the wealthier a population is the more secular it is. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/41573799_Religion_and_Economic_Growth_Across_Countries

Another bloody lie! I have already debunked this narrative by showing you the GDP of America. In case that did not satisfy you, take a look at this gallup poll conducted, which showed that MORE THAN 9 in 10 AMERICANS BELIEVE IN GOD even if they are all not practicing christians!

https://news.gallup.com/poll/147887/americans-continue-believe-god.aspx

Going by your assertion, countries like North Korea should be the wealthiest nations, and even wealthier than Western Europe where less than 30% believe in God. Because in North Korea, religion is completely outlawed! I hope you are beginning to see how much of a liar you are

TO FURTHER DISGRACE YOU AND YOU NARRATIVE, I TENDER THESE FACTS THAT ANYBODY CAN VERIFY INDEPENDENTLY;

A) THE WEALTHIEST NATION ON EARTH IS THE USA, WHERE 9 OUT OF 10 PEOPLE BELIEVE IN GOD(even if they are all not christians)
B) NORTH KOREA IS ONE OF THE POOREST NATIONS ON EARTH AND EVERYONE IS FORCED TO PRACTICE ATHEISM BY THE STATE!
C) Western Europe that has most of their population as atheists actually do have FAR MORE CHRISTIANS THAN NORTH KOREA, YET, NORTH KOREA IS ABOUT THE POOREST COUNTRY IN ASIA, AND ONE OF THE POOREST IN THE WORLD!



9)
Another statistics reveal that those who are religious tend to have less intelligence and analytical skills when compared to non religious folks.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23921675/
Another bloody lie!

I have debunked this using the story of the Wright brothers who were christians and children of a Bishop.

Read below, a few things about Isaac Newton, one of the fathers of modern science;

```Newton hesitated to publicize his mathematical studies for fear of more opposition. But in 1687, he published the first edition of his Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica (later translated in 1825 as The Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy), considered today to be the single greatest work in the history of science. In it, he described universal gravitation and the three laws of motion, derived from Kepler's Laws.

Though he was and still is renowned for his scientific pursuits, Newton was a serious student of the Bible and published several theological works. Even in his famed Principia, Newton exhibited his dedication to God.

This most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being....This Being governs all things, not as the soul of the world, but as Lord over all; and on account of his dominion he is wont to be called Lord God "pantokrator," or Universal Ruler....2
Scientific inquiry, which then existed as Natural Philosophy, could not exist apart from "the Maker," according to Newton. In fact, science was the perfect realm in which to discuss God.

Since every particle of space is always, and every indivisible moment of duration is every where, certainly the Maker and Lord of all things cannot be never and no where....God is the same God, always and every where. He is omnipresent not virtually only, but also substantially; for virtue cannot subsist without substance.…It is allowed by all that the Supreme God exists necessarily; and by the same necessity he exists always and every where....And thus much concerning God; to discourse of whom from the appearance of things, does certainly belong to Natural Philosophy.3```


YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THAT YOU ARE NOT HALF AS WISE AS ISAAC NEWTON, AND HE BELIEVED IN GOD DESPITE HIS SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE!

The Richest man in Singapore today is a Christian who constantly shares about his faith in Jesus. You are not smarter than him. If you were, you would have been at least half as rich as him!


10)
Do you want me to show you how your religion destroyed Africa? It does it with the teaching of the bible.

You have lied again!

AFRICA WAS LOST IN DARKNESS AND IDOL WORSHIP, INCLUDING KILLING OF TWINS AND SELLING OF PEOPLE TO SLAVERY AND KILLING OF HUMANS TO 'APPEASE THE GODS'. ALL OF THAT WAS CHANGED BECAUSE PEOPLE WITH JUDEO-CHRISTIAN VALUES CAME DOWN TO AFRICA TO CHANGE IT!

Yes, some Europeans came only to take the available resources from Africa, but there were many more who came to give to Africa, especially the christian missionaries! If Mary Slessor the missionary had not abandoned her comfort in Dundee, Scotland and hopped on a boat to Africa a day before her proposed wedding, They would have continued killing twins in Nigeria till God knows when.

If the missionary Europeans did not come to introduce education to us, people like you would have been sulking in darkness without ability to type lies in English. You probably would have even be used as a sacrifice to appease one of the stupid gods of African tradition when they get angry. But no! rather than be grateful that you have the priviledge of benefitting from the labour of Christian missionaries from over a century ago, you are here whinning in your ignorance. People like you would have been very good to use as sacrifice to the gods who reigned in Nigeria before Christian missionaries brought the good news and enlightenment to us undecided undecided

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Re: Religion Is The Problem Of Africa And The Reason For Backwardness In Africa by MuttleyLaff: 10:25am On Jul 23, 2019
FOLYKAZE, whilst you are busy behaving like a fireman frantically putting out fire all over the thread, like I earlier said, I know you're very well conversant with the bible, so I'll again ask and request that you look it up, find James 1:27 and then paste here in as many translations you fancy, for all to see and read, what James 1:27, says about religion please, hmm?

Let's find out and know what religion is, as in, find out and know what is religion that is true, pure and without any fault whatsoever FOLY. Go ahead please, let's have some research from the Bible thats talked about this particular and specified religion FOLY

You were provided with what you asked for, the benefits, but you rather stamp on them and pooh pooh all over them, denying their benefits, what we enjoy from having their influence.

You of all people should know when false religion is practised

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Re: Religion Is The Problem Of Africa And The Reason For Backwardness In Africa by FOLYKAZE(m): 2:44pm On Jul 23, 2019
EmperorHarry:
Formal Education which in itself is the foundation of most developments in Africa in the the modern ages.You've been mentioning developments that are considered archaic when compared to the development in world powers today at the time.Why were we colonised in the first place if we were at the same level of advancement as the British?

Another display of ignorance from pathetic ignoramus. The kind of education you guys have is really bad.

Formal education starts in Africa. The first university was built in Morocco, 200yrs before Italy could have one.

Everything that is been taught in formal schools have their root in Africa.

The pyramid in Egypt is one of the wonders of the world, not even your slave masters could achieve same feat today.


EmperorHarry:
Mary Slessor the woman who stopped the ignorant and barbaric killing of a twin in calabar which shows just how backward African traditions and beliefs were in certain parts of the continent even to this day.

Twins are sacred beings in Yoruba culture. Ever heard of Orisa Ibeji? They are held as a deity and enormously revered. Could this be the reason why Yoruba have the largest number of twin birth in the world? That is another topic.

And there is no truth that Mary Slessor stopped any twin killing among the Efik or Ibibibio. That is a stupid lies tell too much. With no academic documents to buttress this claim, it is another pathetic lies like that of Mungo park discovery rivee Niger which is known as Odo Oba before he was even born.

I pray, tell us what particular group kill twin in Efik? What is the name of te spirit that is believed to sleep with these women? What happened to do kids saved? Which school did they went to? How come Mary slessor adopted one and sold many others to slavery?

The fact needs to be straightened. Records have it that Pastors havd killed more than 10,000 kids in the Southern East of Nigeria, all in the name of not sparing the life of witches.

You came here lying against your culture when the truth is that Pentecostal churches in South East have the blood of 10,000 children washed up in the name of killing witch. Didnt your bible asked you kill witch?

The report is all over the place. Go and read things and see the true nature of your barbaric religion.

EmperorHarry:
Took the centralized powers from the chief priests and offered a open,free to all access to the one anybody wants to term as God.This paved the way for personal spirituality and relationship with what one calls God and not the dependency on some old dude(Stereotypical) that feels he only communicates with the gods and speaks it's mind without questioning from the masses.

What kind of nonsense is this?

Christianity has a mediator in person of Jesus. Same Christianity has shepherds who are known as Bishop, Pope, and pastors. How is this different from having dibias?

Your mind have been sold into slavery. In fact, you have lose your senses with no hope of having it back. Same you condemn Ancestor worshipping, and turnaround to whitewash Halloween. Tells a lot about degree of your mental enslavement.

EmperorHarry:
Democracy and modern day justice system.
Introduction of basic human rights which were restricted from masses by authority and elders.Females were given out to whomever her parents wished and children had arranged marriages with whomever their parents wished.Sold out for monetary gain or produce even in this day and age.Who am I to judge tho?

Another display of ignorance.

Democracy was founded in Greece 500yrs before Jesus was conceived. It has nothing to do with Christianity, nor there is a Bible verse that support democracy.

Bride price is a universal tradition. Even in the Jew, it is well practiced. Exodus 22:16-17 and Deuteronomy 22:28-29. No be inside your bible that one dey? I am getting sick of engaging you, nothing in your head. How much is bride price again in Yoruba culture, something that is not up to 2k is what idiot like you called selling of women. Na 2k she take chop before you see her marry?


EmperorHarry:
I can spend all day mentioning how Christianity through colonials catalyzed the development of certain African countries but colonialism isn't something one should be proud of.Mind you,Egypt was once a world power and a religious one with advancements in science,technology,medicine and education that are foundations of the science, technology,medicine,philosophy and education we see in the modern ages.Greece was once a religious country and before the time of Socrates which marked the dawn of modern day philosophy,they had developed remarkably.
I still don't why you would associate religion with progress or development.It is humans that use religion for the wrong reasons through personal and selfish interests.Every cause is subject to human influence whether good or bad ,religion included.You can't disassociate the human condition from religion and while there are folks who do good for religious reasons,there are those that do wrong for religious reasons within the same religion.
Stupidity and ignorance is a human condition we have to deal with in all spheres of life and you can't just erase it by attacking religion.I would agree with anyone that suggests that religion should be used to educate the masses through religious teachings and leadersbut then my question is just how many people are willing to ask,seek and find knowledge for themselves?.I attended a church where the preacher was talking about science even tho it had a religious undertone.The facial expressions I saw when I looked around made me was pathetic and proof of how apathetic people are towards knowledge and philosophy.The problem is much deeper than religion bruv.
I'll pull the brakes here cos I'm driving off the original purpose of this reply but I advice you don't look through shaded glasses when you can see through crystal clear lens.

Saying so much without saying anything.
Re: Religion Is The Problem Of Africa And The Reason For Backwardness In Africa by FOLYKAZE(m): 2:47pm On Jul 23, 2019
CodeTemplar:
Stop the lies. Where all those imaginary edifices? You mean with all these technological advancement we couldn't resist few slave traders in our own back yard and religion is the difference. In fact the with mans religion is the one that brought all those advancement in ancient times.

What lie? You should rather stop displaying your ignorance. You havs no shame in your body.

Pyramid and sphinx is imaginary to you right? Foolish ignoramus.

Go and ask your white slave masters who stole artifacts, edifice and earthworks to their land and have them displayed in their muzeum.

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Re: Religion Is The Problem Of Africa And The Reason For Backwardness In Africa by FOLYKAZE(m): 3:58pm On Jul 23, 2019
I didn't ask you to write me epistes, simply to provide your points and back it up with reference. Shouting nd posting ten thousands word won't make you intelligent.

So, permit me to address the only points in your post

nelsonoba:


AFRICA WAS LOST IN DARKNESS AND IDOL WORSHIP, INCLUDING KILLING OF TWINS AND SELLING OF PEOPLE TO SLAVERY AND KILLING OF HUMANS TO 'APPEASE THE GODS'. ALL OF THAT WAS CHANGED BECAUSE PEOPLE WITH JUDEO-CHRISTIAN VALUES CAME DOWN TO AFRICA TO CHANGE IT!

Thanks for itemizing what you perceived as problems of Africa continent.

1. Worshipping God of their Land.
2. Killing of twins
3. Slavery
4. Human ritual.

While those problems you listed above are unfounded, you presume Christianity erodes it all. But how true is your claim...

1. The tenet of Christianity is to save JEW/ISRAELITES, known as Sheep. A rebranded form of Judaism meant for the people of Israel. Micah 4:5 stated that all people walk in the name of their God. If Africans chooses to walk in the name of their God, how is it anyone's problem? Fact is, accepting the religion of the Jew or Chinese won't make you Jew or Chinese. It only makes you lost. Maybe you can help, how did you conclude African spirituality is wrong? Because they told you?

2. Killing of Twins is legendary lie that has been retorted for so long. Where is your academic reference to this claim? Which part of the Ibibibio and Efik practice this custom? And where are documents that speaks about those saved? How did they faired?

Oh please, Twins in Yoruba custom are treasure, and they are been celebrated, revered and adored to the status of God. Read up about Orisa Ibeji.. That is the legacy of the Yoruba people on Twins which are well documented. So please present documents to buttress your point.

Less I forget, in the aspect of Infanticide, Christianity has done more harm than any good. Psalm 137:9, Isaiah 13:16 gave a clear instructions on how to handle infanticide. Unless your God doesn't embrace infanticide, why would he give instructions on how to do it?

On the historical sides, Pastors from many Churches in Southeast of Nigeria have killed more than 10,000 killed within few years. They are doing this in the name of 'not sparing a witch' as instructed by the bible. This is a well documented fact.

Therefore, twin killing as a culture of Efik and Ibibibio has not been substantiated, hence would be dropped. And fhe glaring evidences from the bible and act of Pastors in SE hve shown that Christianity is responsible for killing our children.

A case d solution becoming more problem.



3. Bible condone Slavery. There are many verses that speak in support of slavery. History also buttressed that were taken as a slave by Christian missionaries.

Academic documents revealed that many slaves were kept under a Christian masters. I can give a list of some of their names. These people did the job of forcing slaves to practice Christianity.

Sub Sahara trans Atlantic slave trade will be blamed heavily on your Religion.


4. Human sacrifice was practiced in Africa. However, Christianity is founded on the custom of Human sacrifice. Jesus killed himself to appease his father. Isn't Jesus human too?

Negativity doesn't clean off negativity. Christianity is guilty of the act, and in no way does it condemn such act.

With the four perceived problems you pointed out, there is nothing that shows that Christianity erode away any of the problem. It rather compounded it which is what we are talking about.



nelsonoba:

Yes, some Europeans came only to take the available resources from Africa, but there were many more who came to give to Africa, especially the christian missionaries! If Mary Slessor the missionary had not abandoned her comfort in Dundee, Scotland and hopped on a boat to Africa a day before her proposed wedding, They would have continued killing twins in Nigeria till God knows when.

You ade admitting Christianity was brought to steal our resources and enslaved our people. But you ain't seeing that as problem.

Quick note, I don't buy Mary Slessor garbage much like I don't buy mungo park propaganda.

I will appreciate documents that detail killing of twins before Mary arrived. How many of these twins did he save? Which school did she send them to? What particular group of Ibibibio and Efik hve this custom? Apart from the biography of Mary Slessor and that of his deputy, what other academia journal wrote about Killin of twins? What are the evidences, from Efik nd Ibibibio that this custom is true? Let me wait for your document before I move.

The only well documented atrocity ongoing in SE is the killing of more than 10,000 children who are been tagged witch. And do you know who handle the killings? CHURCH PASTORS. under the instruction of Bible.

nelsonoba:

If the missionary Europeans did not come to introduce education to us, people like you would have been sulking in darkness without ability to type lies in English. You probably would have even be used as a sacrifice to appease one of the stupid gods of African tradition when they get angry. But no! rather than be grateful that you have the priviledge of benefitting from the labour of Christian missionaries from over a century ago, you are here whinning in your ignorance. People like you would have been very good to use as sacrifice to the gods who reigned in Nigeria before Christian missionaries brought the good news and enlightenment to us undecided undecided

What we have here? Ignorance.

The first University in the whole world was built on the soil of Africa, 200yrs before Europe could built one. So tell me sir, who does Christian missionaries brought education when there is an already established university in Africa? Hmmmm

The first European missionaries in Africa established Christian schools in the late 15th century. That is 800yrs after the schools and educational centres in Africa were destroyed by the white missionaries. The spread of Christian missionary school was only witnessed in 19th century. That is 1300yrs after Africa owned her own University.

Lol.

You would have been right if you said Christian missionaries brought western education because Africa had their own formal educational system thousand of years before Christianity brought theirs.



Not to waste too much time, all your acclaimed contribution are propaganda and hogwash. So far, there i no contribution from Christianity to the development of Africa. Not even one contributions have been mentioned.

Thanks

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Re: Religion Is The Problem Of Africa And The Reason For Backwardness In Africa by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:23pm On Jul 23, 2019
MuttleyLaff:
FOLYKAZE, whilst you are busy behaving like a fireman frantically putting out fire all over the thread, like I earlier said, I know you're very well conversant with the bible, so I'll again ask and request that you look it up, find James 1:27 and then paste here in as many translations you fancy, for all to see and read, what James 1:27, says about religion please, hmm?

Muttley, you know me too well. That I was a christian, and have read the Bible for so many years, so there is nothing you can bamboozle me with in it.

James 1:27 speaks about Pure religion, been that which look after widow and orphans. Without opening the bible, I know what the verse said and understand what it meant.

Caring for widow and orphan is not a new thing. In fact, the culture in Africa already have same practice. So when you argue that it is an example of Christian constructions to Africa development, you are only committing fallacy because such is founded in Africa spirituality.

MuttleyLaff:
Let's find out and know what religion is, as in, find out and know what is religion that is true, pure and without any fault whatsoever FOLY. Go ahead please, let's have some research from the Bible thats talked about this particular and specified religion FOLY
[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=80546343]

If you have any significant issues with with the verse, post the content here.

MuttleyLaff:
You were provided with what you asked for, the benefits, but you rather stamp on them and pooh pooh all over them, denying their benefits, what we enjoy from having their influence.

What did you enjoy abeg?

You enjoyed been enslaved
You enjoyed your history been derogated
You enjoy killing of infants by Christians, a legacy of Christianity.
You enjoyed been robbed off billions and granted penury (thief steal your 5m car but gave you 500 for tfare home, yet praise the theif?)
You enjoyed that your identity is been taken away and social value dead?

Ara mi o riri

MuttleyLaff:
You of all people should know when false religion is practised

This is not a discussion about true and false religion. It is about religion as a whole and its contribution to Africa development. Please stay focused.

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Re: Religion Is The Problem Of Africa And The Reason For Backwardness In Africa by nelsonoba: 4:24pm On Jul 23, 2019
FOLYKAZE:
I didn't ask you to write me epistes, simply to provide your points and back it up with reference. Shouting nd posting ten thousands word won't make you intelligent.

So, permit me to address the only points in your post



Thanks for itemizing what you perceived as problems of Africa continent.

1. Worshipping God of their Land.
2. Killing of twins
3. Slavery
4. Human ritual.

While those problems you listed above are unfounded, you presume Christianity erodes it all. But how true is your claim...

1. The tenet of Christianity is to save JEW/ISRAELITES, known as Sheep. A rebranded form of Judaism meant for the people of Israel. Micah 4:5 stated that all people walk in the name of their God. If Africans chooses to walk in the name of their God, how is it anyone's problem? Fact is, accepting the religion of the Jew or Chinese won't make you Jew or Chinese. It only makes you lost. Maybe you can help, how did you conclude African spirituality is wrong? Because they told you?

2. Killing of Twins is legendary lie that has been retorted for so long. Where is your academic reference to this claim? Which part of the Ibibibio and Efik practice this custom? And where are documents that speaks about those saved? How did they faired?

Oh please, Twins in Yoruba custom are treasure, and they are been celebrated, revered and adored to the status of God. Read up about Orisa Ibeji.. That is the legacy of the Yoruba people on Twins which are well documented. So please present documents to buttress your point.

Less I forget, in the aspect of Infanticide, Christianity has done more harm than any good. Psalm 137:9, Isaiah 13:16 gave a clear instructions on how to handle infanticide. Unless your God doesn't embrace infanticide, why would he give instructions on how to do it?

On the historical sides, Pastors from many Churches in Southeast of Nigeria have killed more than 10,000 killed within few years. They are doing this in the name of 'not sparing a witch' as instructed by the bible. This is a well documented fact.

Therefore, twin killing as a culture of Efik and Ibibibio has not been substantiated, hence would be dropped. And fhe glaring evidences from the bible and act of Pastors in SE hve shown that Christianity is responsible for killing our children.

A case d solution becoming more problem.



3. Bible condone Slavery. There are many verses that speak in support of slavery. History also buttressed that were taken as a slave by Christian missionaries.

Academic documents revealed that many slaves were kept under a Christian masters. I can give a list of some of their names. These people did the job of forcing slaves to practice Christianity.

Sub Sahara trans Atlantic slave trade will be blamed heavily on your Religion.


4. Human sacrifice was practiced in Africa. However, Christianity is founded on the custom of Human sacrifice. Jesus killed himself to appease his father. Isn't Jesus human too?

Negativity doesn't clean off negativity. Christianity is guilty of the act, and in no way does it condemn such act.

With the four perceived problems you pointed out, there is nothing that shows that Christianity erode away any of the problem. It rather compounded it which is what we are talking about.





You ade admitting Christianity was brought to steal our resources and enslaved our people. But you ain't seeing that as problem.

Quick note, I don't buy Mary Slessor garbage much like I don't buy mungo park propaganda.

I will appreciate documents that detail killing of twins before Mary arrived. How many of these twins did he save? Which school did she send them to? What particular group of Ibibibio and Efik hve this custom? Apart from the biography of Mary Slessor and that of his deputy, what other academia journal wrote about Killin of twins? What are the evidences, from Efik nd Ibibibio that this custom is true? Let me wait for your document before I move.

The only well documented atrocity ongoing in SE is the killing of more than 10,000 children who are been tagged witch. And do you know who handle the killings? CHURCH PASTORS. under the instruction of Bible.



What we have here? Ignorance.

The first University in the whole world was built on the soil of Africa, 200yrs before Europe could built one. So tell me sir, who does Christian missionaries brought education when there is an already established university in Africa? Hmmmm

The first European missionaries in Africa established Christian schools in the late 15th century. That is 800yrs after the schools and educational centres in Africa were destroyed by the white missionaries. The spread of Christian missionary school was only witnessed in 19th century. That is 1300yrs after Africa owned her own University.

Lol.

You would have been right if you said Christian missionaries brought western education because Africa had their own formal educational system thousand of years before Christianity brought theirs.



Not to waste too much time, all your acclaimed contribution are propaganda and hogwash. So far, there i no contribution from Christianity to the development of Africa. Not even one contributions have been mentioned.

Thanks


Incompetent attempts to defend your lies. Please review and rewrite this lame response to something more reasonable any logical person can reckon with.
Re: Religion Is The Problem Of Africa And The Reason For Backwardness In Africa by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:27pm On Jul 23, 2019
nelsonoba:



Incompetent attempts to defend your lies. Please review and rewrite this lame response to something more reasonable any logical person can reckon with.

Oh well the facts from me are undisputable.

Christianity has contributed nothing to Africa. In fact, it makes the situation worst, just like Islam. If you have contrary opinion, let me know.

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Re: Religion Is The Problem Of Africa And The Reason For Backwardness In Africa by EmperorHarry: 4:49pm On Jul 23, 2019
FOLYKAZE I'm impressed by how much mental energy you have stored up to keep replying the mentions even those that are the same.Anyways the major problem here is that you ask other people to show you things yet you cover your eyes with your hand..You asked two questions to which i gave a reply to,which were
1.What has religion done to aid development in Africa?
2.What has Christianity done to aid development in Africa?
Now, I based my points on just how much development was happening or had occurred in a civilization and how religious they were during that period hence my reference to Egypt and Greece. This was to show just how much religion can be insignificant when it comes to development.
I stated that Christianity catalyzed the development of certain countries in Africa or is it only Nigeria,Egypt,Morocco etc that are in Africa? You chose to understand it that way.Anyways formal education in Nigeria was historically introduced by the missionary schools during the colonial years.Till today FOLYKAZE,Twin children are still killed.
You blame Islam/Christianity for the actions of humans if its bad regardless of how much religious influence was involved in that action,so why can't you accept it's pros too regardless of the religious influence.You gainsay the developments that Christianity through colonials brought because of it's "origins" (which may have been introduced in a very religious country at the time) but fail to see that it has nothing to do with the initial question.Africa is not one or two countries.

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Re: Religion Is The Problem Of Africa And The Reason For Backwardness In Africa by Nobody: 5:04pm On Jul 23, 2019
Your forefathers were worshiping idols. It is also a religion, if u dont kno.
What stop dem to develop the country to the level of europe before missionaries came in our land?
Re: Religion Is The Problem Of Africa And The Reason For Backwardness In Africa by NCBMEDIA: 5:19pm On Jul 23, 2019
Re: Religion Is The Problem Of Africa And The Reason For Backwardness In Africa by FOLYKAZE(m): 5:22pm On Jul 23, 2019
EmperorHarry:
FOLYKAZE I'm impressed by how much mental energy you have stored up to keep replying the mentions even those that are the same.Anyways the major problem here is that you ask other people to show you things yet you cover your eyes with your hand..You asked two questions to which i gave a reply to,which were
1.What has religion done to aid development in Africa?
2.What has Christianity done to aid development in Africa?
Now, I based my points on just how much development was happening or had occurred in a civilization and how religious they were during that period hence my reference to Egypt and Greece. This was to show just how much religion can be insignificant when it comes to development.
I stated that Christianity catalyzed the development of certain countries in Africa or is it only Nigeria,Egypt,Morocco etc that are in Africa? You chose to understand it that way.Anyways formal education in Nigeria was historically introduced by the missionary schools during the colonial years.Till today FOLYKAZE,Twin children are still killed.
Is You blame Islam/Christianity for the actions of humans if its bad regardless of how much religious influence was involved in that action,so why can't you accept it's pros too regardless of the religious influence.You gainsay the developments that Christianity through colonials brought because of it's "origins" (which may have been introduced in a very religious country at the time) but fail to see that it has nothing to do with the initial question.Africa is not one or two countries.

A very insightful response you have up there.

It is important to note that this your response plays on emotion rather than the reality on ground. Another thing, it sent an indication of admission that religion has badly dealt with Africa and it is the corner yard for African backwardness. On another round, you want me focus more on the good sides/impacts of these religions (Christianity and Islam) in Africa development which I already argued there is none.

Even if I shift the premises of our discuss to only Nigeria, arguably, these religion have done more harm.

Fact is, actors should be blamed for their actions, not by the tools they used or what aided them. This is like saying trigger puller should be blamed instead of blaming gun. But, what of in the case the tool and aid beat the actor into submissiveness and make them do the act? In such case, we blame the tool and the aid. Here, the Christian missionaries, imperial colonialist, bible and their religion should be blame because Africans were left helpless.

The Islamic and Christian religion with their scriptures condone slavery, looting, infanticide and racial discrimination.

Employing the line of Rossikk, Christian missionaries primary mission is to enslave African, loot their resources without remorse and perpetually destroy everything that could make Africa rise in revenge. Preaching the gospel is secondarily as it has no significant impact on the people or returned their stolen wealth back to them.

A very good scenario is a car jacker who waylaid drivers at gun point, too away their cars and everything in it, then gave the drivers N50 to take motorcycle back home. EmperorHarry, let us be sincere, is the robber fair because he gave drivers tfare back home? Wouldn't you blame the robbery and robber for throwing the drivers into poverty? Let say tomorrow, the robber now have collection of cars and wealthy from his sales proceed, he hurl insults on driver he stole car from, telling the driver he is poor because he is primitive.

Colonial rulers and Christian imperialist stole trillions of dollar from Nigeria. Our resources were exported and returns used in developing London, refusing to build a interstate roads. The only rail transportation we had then connects hinterland to ports where they can easily export our resources. They didn't only stole our material resources, they took away our human resources into forceful labor where they ain't paid a dime or means of returning back home.

The only legacies they left is ample of religious centres and very few primary schools where people would learn A for Apple, B for Ball. Is that the best they give as a return to people they took trillions of wealth from?

They were here more than 200yrs but couldn't build a single university, road network, provide electricity or good hospitals. They gave us silly religions that makes our condition worse. A religion that asks people to keep their treasure in heaven, but white man can keep theirs in London. Wtf?

The same religion has cost the life of millions souls. Nigerian are been killed in the hand of Islamic Jihadists in the North, another set of rampage killers are cropping up in SE killing 100,000 babies in the name of 'not sparing the witch'.

Even when the whole world embrace atheism, there will be some violence that can cost lives. But when atheism or religion dictates that one should kill or enslave another person, then the religion should be blamed.
Re: Religion Is The Problem Of Africa And The Reason For Backwardness In Africa by nelsonoba: 8:48am On Jul 24, 2019
FOLYKAZE:


Oh well the facts from me are undisputable.

Christianity has contributed nothing to Africa. In fact, it makes the situation worst, just like Islam. If you have contrary opinion, let me know.


Just merely reasserting the 'facts' from you are undisputable does not make them so. It doesn't change the fact that you are living in delusion. If you want to see facts, all you need do is;

1) Come down from your high-horse
2) Scroll up and read every response I have given to you before, and read them LINE BY LINE.
3) Use a dictionary to find the meaning of every unfamiliar word I may have used in all of those explanations.
4) Do not climb back on your horse.
5) Stop and think

Do these, and you will suddenly realise a lot of facts have been given to you. You don't need more information. You just need to do the above 5 steps with all the information you've been given already.

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