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Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Teeboy108: 5:57pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
AgentNairaland:I actually don't have your time because I was initially trying to read good beneficial stuffs here before I stumbled on your ridiculous lies here.I hesitate at first to reply as I know it is literally a wasting of time dealing with ignorants and liars like you from the people of paul.However,to try to give some clarifications, I will shortly refute some of your ridiculous claims in my subsequent posts. |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 6:06pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
Teeboy108: Sorry which ONE is LIE that I shown you?? Or are you telling me that Quran and Hadith are lying in the following :- When the angels said: “O Mary! Allah gives you the good news of a Word from Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, who is illustrious in this world and the hereafter, and who is one of those brought near [to Allah]. (3.45) Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison." Sahih Bukhari 5:59:713 [Quran 2:125] We have rendered the shrine (the Kaba) a focal point for the people, and a safe sanctuary. You may use Abraham's shrine as a prayer house. We commissioned Abraham and Ismail: "You shall purify My house for those who visit, those who live there, and those who bow and prostrate." And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee , then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. Surah Yunus [10:94] Please point out the one that I lied and you'll tell if I am the author of Quran and hadith respectively |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Teeboy108: 6:45pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
AgentNairaland:(1) Your impression and claim(in ur prev.post) that "it was a shame that Muhammad was mentioned 4 times" as opposed to Jesus mentioned 25 times as a proof of Jesus divinity and superiority over Muhammad(S.a.w) is a blatant lie.Arch enemies of Allah, Satan and Pharaoh was mentioned more than 25 times in the Noble Qur'aan.Does that proof their superiority over jesus? You can see that only dumb people who are ignorant and desperate will make this outragesous claim to prove their nonsense claims.That is so laughable (2) Your claim that Jesus was refer to as the Messiah which proved his divinity is also a big lie.Yes Eesa was referred to as the Messiah.The Arabic word used is Al-masih which refer to as the "the chosen one" .So the Qur'aan refer him as the chosen one because he was chosen among his people as "a prophet" to guide the people of Israel.So where do we have that impression or even the claim of his divinity from the use of this word?? Moreover, the Qur'aan clearly states that “He [‘Eesa (Jesus)] said: ‘Verily, I am a slave of Allaah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet’” [Maryam 19:30]. |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 6:48pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
Teeboy108:[/s] 1. You haven't answer the question, WHY DOES Allah fails to call or refer Muhammad as MESSIAH?? 2. Which Scripture again Allah gave to Eesa? Hope Not Quran |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Teeboy108: 6:59pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
3) Your foolish claim that the Qur'aan says Jesus was sent to the world at large while Muhammad was only sent to the cities of Makkah and Madinah. This statement only proved: 1)You are a big liar as this is contrary to what is in the Noble Qur'aan 2)It is either you were lying when you claimed you read the whole Qur'aan or that you actually read it without understanding. So I ask, where is your proof of your ridiculous claim above because I have obvious proofs here to nail you down!!! |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by k4kenny(f): 7:30pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
AgentNairaland: Where do I even start from.... The Prophet(SAW) beheaded 600 Jews in Mecca? How Mecca was inhabited by pagans, no Jews in the region. Any report of the Prophet(saw) beheading any Jew or christian is a pure lie. The lived together peacefully in Madinah after the migration. It's worthy of note though that some Jews attempted to kill the Prophet, so they were sentenced to death. No, they were not up to 600 o. Prophet Muhammad didn't die from the poisoned meat at khaybar. He lived on for about four years after the incident, even married 3 wives, conquered Mecca from the pagans and went for Hajj all during the period . The name of the of Jewish lady that gave him the poisoned meat was not Safiyah, That was the name of one of his wives. Where do you people get these lies from . Since the Jews and christians in Madinah lived together with the Muslim immigrants, it was common for the hosts to give gifts to their guests. The Prophet gladly accepted her gift and ate the meat but he didn't die from the poison. He died of natural causes. Take a dictionary and check the meaning of 'Messiah'. It doesn't mean God, rather it means anointed One destined the Children of Israel. The stories of Jesus in the Qur'an can be found in Surahs 3, 5 and 17. In conclusion, check the gender beside my profile, 'tani bro e' 1 Like |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Teeboy108: 7:35pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
AgentNairaland:Lol. (1)The fact that Allah referred Jesus as Al-Maseeh "the chosen one" to lead his people as a prophet does not mean that He is compelled to give such title to Muhammad.So your claim that "WHY DOES Allah fails to call or refer Muhammad as MESSIAH??" is BASELESS. (2)You should know the scripture since you claim you read the whole Qur'aan.lol...The scripture given to Jesus was injeel(the gospel).This is a further proof that Jesus, just like Muhammad is a prophet and Messenger of God who was given the revelation to guide "ONLY" the "lost sheep of Israel". That reminds me of why one should pity Christians as Jesus was not sent to them but "only the lost sheep of israel" as claimed in the corrupted bible. |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Teeboy108: 7:42pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
k4kenny:I think he has been brainwashed in his church to think MESSIAH is a title that can only belong to God, hence is claim that Jesus is divine from the Qur'anic point of view. |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Teeboy108: 7:47pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
In case you need this
“He [‘Eesa (Jesus)] said: ‘Verily, I am a
slave of Allaah, He has given me the
Scripture and made me a Prophet’”
[Maryam 19:30]
“The Messiah ['Eesa (Jesus)], son of
Maryam (Mary), was no more than a
Messenger; many were the Messengers
that passed away before him. His mother
[Maryam (Mary)] was a Siddeeqah [i.e.
she believed in the words of Allah and
His Books]. They both used to eat food
(as any other human being, while Allah
does not eat). Look how We make the
Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses,
lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to
them, yet look how they are deluded
away (from the truth)”
[al-Maa’idah 5:75].
‘Never did I say to them aught except
what You (Allah) did command me to
say: “Worship Allah, my Lord and your
Lord.” And I was a witness over them
while I dwelt amongst them, but when
You took me up, You were the Watcher
over them, and You are a Witness to all
things’”
[al-Maa’idah 5:116-117]. |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 9:12pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
Teeboy108: 1. So Allah didn't choose Muhammad right, No wonder he was WARLORD, Jihadist And Disobedient prophet.. Allah commanded Maximum of Four wives Muhammad on his own married over ten wives... That's the caused he was NOT chosen 2. You said Allah gave Jesus the Gospel, bla bla bla.. But Jesus Christ never in a second recognize Allah in the same gospel acclaimed... Or Allah is Elohim or Jehovah? Mind You, No one can say he or she heard directly from Allah including Muhammad.. In fact using He, His And Him for Allah is wrong shey you know 3. John 3:16 says For God so loved the WORLD, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life... This is to tell you that Jesus Christ was sent not for Israelite but to the whole WORLD Even Quran testifies to this.. When the angels said: “O Mary! Allah gives you the good news of a Word from Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, who is illustrious in this world and the hereafter, and who is one of those brought near [to Allah]. (3.45)... I believe you see the statement Illustrious in this world... 3. You should pity yourself as SLAVE of allah and Muslims.. This is because Muhammad your prophet said HE'S NOT SOMETHING ORIGINAL.. Sebi you go school.. Opposite of Original is FAKE Quran 49:6 Sahih International : Say, "I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner." He went further by saying he didn't know what will be done to him after death.. See the man you're following So therefore, PITY yourself because your prophet didn't promised you life after death rather 72 virgins each in the sxx garden of Jannah...MASS ALARM |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 9:30pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
k4kenny: In Hijra year 5 (627 AD), on the orders of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad , almost nine hundred Jews of a Medinan tribe named Banu Qurayza were massacred by Muslims. The killing began early in the day, ending in torchlight. Those who escaped death were taken captive and sold at slave markets. The Qur'an refers to this incident in Surah And He brought those of the People of the Scripture who supported them down from their strongholds, and cast panic into their hearts. Some ye slew and ye made captive some. And He caused you to inherit their land and their houses and their wealth, and land ye have not trodden. Allah is Able to do all things Quran 33:26-27 This is hadith that narrated how your prophet was poisoned and died from the same poison.. Narrated Anas bin Malik: A Jewess brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and he was asked, "Shall we kill her?" He said, "No." I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of Allah's Apostle . Sahih Bukhari 3:47:786 Narrated 'Aisha and Ibn 'Abbas: On his death-bed Allah's Apostle put a sheet over his-face and when he felt hot, he would remove it from his face. When in that state (of putting and removing the sheet) he said, " May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians for they build places of worship at the graves of their prophets." (By that) he intended to warn (the Muslim) from what they (i.e. Jews and Christians) had done. Sahih Bukhari 4:56:660 Sahih Muslim Anas reported that a Jewess came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) with poisoned mutton and he took of that what had been brought to him (Allah's Messenger). (When the effect of this poison were felt by him ) he called for her and asked her about that, whereupon she said: I had determined to kill you. Thereupon he said: Allah will never give you the power to do it. He (the narrator) said that they (the Companion's of the Holy Prophet) said: Should we not kill her? Thereupon he said: No. He (Anas) said: I felt (the affects of this poison) on the uvula of Allah's Messenger. Sahih Muslim 26:5430 The problem with you slaves of Allah is that you like to cover up the atrocities of this man called prophet Muhammad This is the meaning of MESSIAH messiah /mɪˈsʌɪə/ noun A leader regarded as the saviour of a particular country, group, or cause. PLEASE WHO ANOINTED MUHAMMAD AS PROPHET?? IF IT WAS ALLAH, I NEED QURAN REFERENCE |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Teeboy108: 10:16pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
Lol..Sincerely, I can see that its wastage of time debating ignorant infidels like you for the following reasons: 1)Why did u came to this group in the first place meant for Islamic discussion.I'm not sure you have a good intention.lol 2)I can only debate with people that are open minded and willing to learn from their stupidity.Not dumb people who are so stubborn to embrace the truth 3)You seem to distort every fundamentals and teachings of Islam while you care less to talk about your filthy corrupted bible full of ample errors,mistakes and even written porn as contained in the songs of solomon(lol). So,really you don't worth spending much time with because I have dealt with ignorant, narrow-minded people like you in the past, but always prove to waste people's time despite the effort to guide you from the deluded path of destruction! But thank God you are a Nigerian.The best advice I will leave behind for you is to attend ACADIP PROGRAMME(you can google about them on the internet), and try and attend one of their programmes.You can then lay your silly questions to them and see how they burst your brain with refutations,lol,and how Christianity will be put to shame!!! |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 8:23am On Sep 09, 2019 |
true2god: OK. That's your own delusion. 1 Billion keep reciting it over 17times daily and has memorised it. The seven oft-repeated verses. I think you are jealous. This is unlike the lord's prayer or Psalm 23 that is going extinct. |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 8:24am On Sep 09, 2019 |
AgentNairaland: Just trying to let you see reason! English Grammar is not totally the same as the Arabic Grammar. |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 8:34am On Sep 09, 2019 |
AbuTwins: Arabic Grammar Is Royal "We" "Us" And "We" .. The Question Is Tell Me The Royal Family Allah Belongs To |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 8:37am On Sep 09, 2019 |
AgentNairaland: Can you show me where i mentioned "Royal we" as regards Allah? |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by true2god: 8:39am On Sep 09, 2019 |
AbuTwins:The number of people reciting it does not mean nothing because over 80% of humanity never recited it and nothing have changed. My contention here is that it was not allah that spoke in surah alfathiha, while muslim claimed that the quran contains 100% the words of allah. How can allah be praying, praising and begging allah in the same quran (quran 1:1-7)? Bro, it makes no sense to over 80% of humanity that never accepted Islam but your delusions will sure make sense to you. |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 8:45am On Sep 09, 2019 |
AbuTwins: If nothing like royal we according to your own ideology, why is Allah using "We" "Us" "Our" Allah even said there are TWO EASTS AND WESTS.. Sura 55:17 Allah na Emeritus professor of Geography |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 9:03am On Sep 09, 2019 |
AgentNairaland: For the last time i will say this. It is a feature of literary style in Arabic that a person may refer to himself by the pronoun nahnu (we) for respect or glorification. He may also use the word ana (I), indicating one person, or the third person huwa (he). All three styles are used in the Qur’an, where Allaah addresses the Arabs in their own tongue. (Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 4/143). And “Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, sometimes refers to Himself in the singular, by name or by use of a pronoun, and sometimes by use of the plural, as in the phrase (interpretation of the meaning): ‘Verily, We have given you a manifest victory” [al-Fath 48:1], and other similar phrases. But Allaah never refers to Himself by use of the dual, because the plural refers to the respect that He deserves, and may refer to His names and attributes, whereas the dual refers to a specific number (and nothing else), and He is far above that.” (Al-‘Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 75). These words, innaa (“Verily We”) and nahnu (“We”), and other forms of the plural, may be used by one person speaking on behalf of a group, or they may be used by one person for purposes of respect or glorification, as is done by some monarchs when they issue statements or decrees in which they say “We have decided…” etc. [This is known in English as “The Royal We” – Translator]. In such cases, only one person is speaking but the plural is used for respect. The One Who is more deserving of respect than any other is Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, so when He says in the Qur’an innaa (“Verily We”) and nahnu (“We”), it is for respect and glorification, not to indicate plurality of numbers. If an aayah of this type is causing confusion, it is essential to refer to the clear, unambiguous aayaat for clarification, and if a Christian, for example, insists on taking ayaat such as “Verily, We: it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e., the Qur’an)” [al-Hijr 15:9 – interpretation of the meaning] as proof of divine plurality, we may refute this claim by quoting such clear and unambiguous aayaat as (interpretation of the meanings): “And your god is One God, there is none who has the right to be worshipped but He, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful” [al-Baqarah 2:163] and “Say: He is Allaah, the One” [al-Ikhlaas 112:1] – and other aayaat which can only be interpreted in one way. Thus confusion will be dispelled for the one who is seeking the truth. Every time Allaah uses the plural to refer to Himself, it is based on the respect and honour that He deserves, and on the great number of His names and attributes, and on the great number of His troops and angels.” (Reference: Al-‘Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 109). And Allaah knows best. ((He is) the Lord of the two easts and the Lord of the two wests.) meaning the sunrise of summer and winter and the sunset of summer and winter. |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 9:18am On Sep 09, 2019 |
true2god: OK, Allah can not praise Himself, right? Also He can't teach us how to praise Him. Alright. Anything to hang the Qur'an... |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 2:16pm On Sep 09, 2019 |
AbuTwins: [s] Can you show me where i mentioned "Royal we" as regards Allah?[/s] But you've mentioned ROYAL "We" in your last post.. Are you also a CONFUSED Slave of Allah Please tell me The ROYAL family Allah belongs To for using ROYAL "We" "Us" or Allah na Human Being?? [s](He is) the Lord of the two easts and the Lord of the two wests.) meaning the sunrise of summer and winter and the sunset of summer and winter.[/s] Point of correction, the correct text is I swear by the Lord of the Easts and of the Wests that WE have the power; Quran 70:40 Allah was swearing, that is NOT where am going Are you now saying THERE ARE TWO SUMMERS AND WINTERS In a year?? |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Oricha62(m): 5:13am On Sep 10, 2019 |
tintingz:My brother, it not a claimed but the fact. Prophet never write Quran ,it was only revealed to him and teach it to others because he was unlettered. |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Oricha62(m): 5:21am On Sep 10, 2019 |
true2god: How can allah be praying, praising and begging allah in the same quran (quran 1:1-7)? YOU ARE CONFUSED! Allah revealed the Quran to the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) .in surah Fatihah ,Allah commands him and the entire Muslims to praise ,pray to ,and declare the worship to Him(Allah) only . |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by tintingz(m): 7:01am On Sep 10, 2019 |
Oricha62:A fact? Is there any evidence to prove that the book is divine? |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 8:05am On Sep 10, 2019 |
AgentNairaland: Now i know you are a resilient dunce! |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by k4kenny(f): 11:29am On Sep 10, 2019 |
AbuTwins: Almost 2 billion people akhi and growing rapidly daily. Let's talk about the Lords prayer originally taught by Jesus, their god... Jesus taught his people this prayer, no mention of the trinity in the entire prayer . Some decades later some people came to add the 'grace' to what Jesus taught. They say the lord's prayer without the grace is as good as invalid. My question goes this: Is Jesus, their 'lord' incapable of giving a simple prayer that humans have to come and complete it for him? 1 Like |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by k4kenny(f): 11:45am On Sep 10, 2019 |
AgentNairaland: In Q2.125 the word 'bayt' was used. This means 'house', not shrine. Again, where are you people getting these lies from We have explained what messiah means. Ask Google for more info. Hint : it doesn't mean God. Jesus was spoken of in high regards in the Qur'an, as were the other prophets of God. The one that the Prophet Mohammad(saw) being in doubt of what was revealed to him was just a rhetoric. Also note the earlier scriptures mentioned were the originals, not the ones contaminated by the hands of men. Even Bible scholars today agree that the scriptures were written and revised over and over, long after the passing of Jesus. Abi you think Jesus knows what the Bible is ni? Dude's name wasn't even 'Jesus' (no letter J in Hebrew language) |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Oricha62(m): 3:23pm On Sep 10, 2019 |
tintingz:My evidences are in the Quran which you disbelieve its message. |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by tintingz(m): 4:31pm On Sep 10, 2019 |
Oricha62:This is circular reasoning fallacy. "The proof that Superman can fly is in Superman comic." |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 9:48pm On Sep 10, 2019 |
k4kenny: I WILL BE SHOWING YOU VERSES IN QURAN THAT TALKS ABOUT KAABA AS UR SHRINE IN ISLAM 1. [Quran 5:1-2] O you who believe, you shall fulfill your covenants. Permitted for you to eat are the livestock, except those specifically prohibited herein. You shall not permit hunting throughout Hajj pilgrimage. GOD decrees whatever He wills. O you who believe, do not violate the rites instituted by GOD, nor the Sacred Months, nor the animals to be offered, nor the garlands marking them, nor the people who head for the Sacred Shrine (Ka`bah) seeking blessings from their Lord and approval. Once you complete the pilgrimage, you may hunt.* Do not be provoked into aggression by your hatred of people who once prevented you from going to the Sacred Masjid. You shall cooperate in matters of righteousness and piety; do not cooperate in matters that are sinful and evil. You shall observe GOD. GOD is strict in enforcing retribution. The Verses above even referred kaaba AS SACRED SHRINE... Where did u get ur own BAY .. See Another Verse That Refer Kaaba As SHRINE [Quran 22:26-27] We appointed Abraham to establish the Shrine: "You shall not idolize any other god beside Me, and purify My shrine for those who visit it, those who live near it, and those who bow and prostrate. "And proclaim that the people shall observe Hajj pilgrimage.* They will come to you walking or riding on various exhausted (means of transportation). They will come from the farthest locations." Allah Asked Abraham To Establish The Shrine Called Kaaba 2. Is Muhammad Your Messiah, If Yes Who Anointed Him As MESSIAH? 3. WHAT IS THE NAME OF THAT ORIGINAL SCRIPTURE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? 4. JESUS READ THE SCRIPTURE IN SYNAGOGUE Luke 4:17-21 And there was delivered unto him the book of the Prophet Isaiah. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. Please Answer The Questions I Asked You Above.. Thanks |
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 8:37am On Sep 11, 2019 |
k4kenny: Na'am bro, i had to use a lesser figure cos i know they can start an argument with that. We have roughly 2 Billion muslims worldwide out of which i believe 50% would recite Fatiha daily. Christianity has been rebranded and it keeps getting rebranded. They have no constitution. And the holy spirit they claim keeps separating them. The Bible as it is today has immense issues both with its isnad and matn. You will see them arguing over a simple thing as "is Alcohol permissible in Christianity" and similar issues. 1 Like |
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