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| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 3:58pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
true2god: This is the words of Allah teaching us how to praise Him, exalt Him, Glorify Him,... Abu Huraira reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Allah Almighty said: I have divided prayer between myself and my servant into two halves, and my servant shall have what he has asked for. When the servant says ‘all praise is due to Allah the Lord of the worlds,’ Allah says: My servant has praised me. When he says ‘the Gracious, the Merciful,’ Allah says: My servant has exalted me. When he says ‘the Master of the Day of Judgment,’ Allah says: My servant has glorified me and my servant has submitted to me. When he says ‘you alone we worship, you alone we ask for help,’ Allah says: This is between me and my servant, and my servant will have what he has asked for. When he says ‘guide us to the straight path, the path of those whom you have favored, not those who went astray,’ Allah says: This is for my servant, and my servant will have what he has asked for.” Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 395 Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Muslim |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by usermane(m): 4:01pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
k4kenny: Qur'an was revealed in human language, so it should follow the rules of human language in order not to confuse readers. If I was a non-Muslim reading Qur'an for the first time, how do I know that Allah is the one talking in this verse? 1 Like |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by true2god: 4:08pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
AbuTwins:My question is this: who is speaking in quran 1:1-7 (al-fathiha)? Your response is very vague and never straightforward. Is it allah that said, in the quran, 'In the Name of Allah—the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful. All praise is for Allah—Lord of all worlds'...If the quran is the word of allah, how can he say that, speaking in a third person? |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 4:11pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
k4kenny: I've been expecting you to have qoute this verse.. LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE... This Is NOT ROYAL "WE" and "US" as seen in Quran.. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, Who is that word?? THE ANSWER IS JESUS CHRIST... This is to tell you that the WORD, Jesus Christ was with God when creating man.. Do you want to tell us that MUHAMMAD Was with Allah when He (Allah) was using "WE" "OUR" and "US" to refer himself in Quran?? Please explain |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by true2god: 4:20pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
AbuTwins:The hadith reads: Narrated Niyar bin Mukram Al-Aslami: "When (the following) was revealed: 'Alif Lam Mim. The Romans have been defeated. In the nearest land, and they, after their defeat, will be victorious in Bid' years (30:1-4).' (al-tirmidi Vol. 5, Book 44, Hadith 3194) The hadith said the roman had been defeated before the verse was revealed. It is never a prophecy to tell me what had already happened. It is not a prophecy to use a probabilistic event to make a prophecy since the battle between the Persians and the Romans had been swinging from one belligerent to another. And since the quran gave a probable time the Romans with eventually win, is their any secular history to collaborate that claim? Can this event be found in a place like Encyclopedia Britannica or any reputable source outside the quran to collaborate the quranic claims? As I said earlier, the prophecy you claimed to have fulfilled is not different from what people like T.B Joshua will say today; basing prediction on probability. |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 4:23pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
AgentNairaland: A single person can use "awa" in Yoruba language informally. You need to read more on "aropo oruko". I am very certain of this. And even in English Language we now have the singular "they". Lastly, i am not confused. I think you have a lot of catching up to do. |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 4:24pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
true2god: If the hadith said that then what where they betting on at the end of the hadith? |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 4:28pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
true2god: This is the words of Allah teaching us how to praise Him, exalt Him, Glorify Him,... Allaah, The Lord & creator of Jesus and Muhammad was the one speaking. |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 4:35pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
usermane: The verse you quoted is an example. We swear by Allah's name only. But Allah swears by whatever he wishes of His creation. |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by IamBlanco(m): 4:35pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
AbuTwins: how did you know it's from Allah when Allah did not speak to your prophet? if you follow the cronology of prophets from the Torah. each and every major prophet heard directly from God. why in this case, Jibril brought the message to your prophet. such an important message for mankind. besides you can't claim it's from Allah because Allah never revealed himself to your prophet. |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by IamBlanco(m): 4:36pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
AbuTwins: why would a god swear? by what name should Allah swear with. can you back that with a reference to the Quran? |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by abbasajao(m): 4:43pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
AgentNairaland:Almighty is one. |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 4:45pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
AbuTwins: I see you're NOT confused, seriously on track... That's another ROYAL "THEY" You'll tell us The ROYAL family Allah belongs to  |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 4:51pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
abbasajao: Indeed, Royal "they" "we" "us" "our" makes Allah one nah |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Akpan107(m): 4:59pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
AgentNairaland:That verse has been charged in many of the English translations to say, Allah salute Muhammad or praise Muhammad. You will only see thar in Arabic version where Allah was saying prayers for Muhammad. The same book that calls on Muslims to have sex with their slaves Sura 23:5-7 Quran could only be the words of Allah and not the words of God . |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by true2god: 5:17pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
AbuTwins:There is nowhere al-fathiha indicated teaching Muslims how to pray; this is your interpretation to the surah. Allah could have made it clear that you should pray that way but he never did. The buttomline is al-fathiha was written by man as a prayer, to allah, which shows that the quran is nothing but the work of the medieval Arabs. There is no way you can tell anyone that the quran is the word of allah while the beginning, of the quran, was a prayer of a man to allah and still wants people to believe that allah was the one speaking in surah alfathiha. This can only make sense to you. The best you can do is to explain away this issue by invoking an hadith, a typical escape route. |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 5:31pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
true2god: This is one thing you are fond of. You use your reasoning to interpret. How do you think Allah should have revealed His book? Oya Muslims Pray like this: as in the Lords prayer which most of your churches has dumped? Anyways the Hadith has been used to explain your confusion. done with this. |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 5:34pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
AgentNairaland: Are you transcribing English to Arabic? I only tried to give options of permissible rules in other languages. Where did i mention Royal...? Arabs use the language as such. Go and study Arabic and come back. Please open your eyes as well as your frontal lobe. |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 5:43pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
IamBlanco: On Oaths i hope this suffices. An oath is defined as a solemn appeal to a deity to stand as a witness to the binding nature of a promise or the truth of a statement. The swearing of an oath is a common practice in all cultures and has been a procedure for many centuries. In the Roman tradition, oaths were sworn upon Jupiter Lapis or the Jupiter Stone located in the Temple of Jupiter, Capitoline Hill. Jupiter Lapis was held in the Roman Tradition to be an Oath Stone, an aspect of Jupiter is his role as divine law-maker responsible for order and used principally for the investiture of the oath taking of office. The concept of oaths is deeply rooted within Judaism. It is found in Genesis 8:21, when God swears that he will “never again curse the ground because of man and never again smite every living thing.” This repetition of the term never again is explained by Rashi, the pre-eminent biblical commentator, as serving as an oath, citing the Talmud for this ruling. The first personage in the biblical tradition to take an oath is held to be Eliezer, the chief servant of Abraham, when the latter requested of the former that he not take a wife for his son Isaac from the daughters of Canaan, but rather from among Abraham’s own family. In the Judeo-Christian Tradition, this is held as the origination of the concept that it is required to hold a sacred object in one’s hand when taking an oath. (Wikipedia) Likewise, in Islamic tradition, oaths are held in high esteem. To take a false oath is branded as a major sin. In addition to this, oaths can only be taken on Allah. Imam Ahmed reports that the messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, “Whoever takes an oath upon other than Allah, has associated partners to Allah.” Imam Kaasani in his manual of jurisprudence Badaa’i al-sanaa’i states that in pre-islamic times, the Arabs would take oaths upon whatever was gigantic, had immense benefit and regarded dangerous. They would swear upon the Earth, the Sun, the Moon, the night and day. The essence of an oath is honouring and venerating that which is sworn upon. It is considered to be great and lofty in the sight of men. With this being the fundamental nature, oaths are synonymous to worship, and worship is exclusive for Allah alone. Therefore, just as worship of other than Allah is prohibited, swearing an oath on other than Allah bears the same ruling. Due to the common thread between the two, the messenger of Allah unified associating partners to Allah and swearing a false oath in a single sentence. Imam Bukhari reports on the authority of Abdullah ibn Amr’ that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, “Major sins include associating partners to Allah, disobeying ones parents and the swearing of false oaths.” The Quran contains many oaths. Allah the Almighty takes an oath of Himself approximately seven times in; 1) Surah Nisaa verse 65 2) Surah Yunus verse 53 3) Surah Taghaabun verse 7 4) Surah Maryam verse 68 5) Surah Hijr verse 92 6) Surah Ma’aarij verse 4 7) Surah ath-Dhaariyaat verse 23 However, when one studies and ponders over the text of the Quran, he will become conscious of the fact that Allah the Almighty takes an oath on many of His creation. At times Allah is swearing upon the Sun, at times on the Moon, on other occasions on the stars, on the angels etc. So why does Allah take an oath on such creation? What do these oaths mean in the Quran? Explanations for the oaths: 1) Some specialists in the exegesis of Quran are of the view that where ever there is mention of an oath on a creation of Allah, the word ‘rabb’ is omitted prior to the word. So in actual fact, these are oaths on Allah also. So the verses, “By the Sun,” “By the Moon,” “By the fig and the olive,” in reality are, “By the Lord of the Sun,” “By the Lord of the moon,” “By the lord of olive and the fig.” The omitting of words is very common in the Quran. This is not a deficiency at all. It is evidence to its rhetoric and eloquence. Whatever is common knowledge and obvious is omitted for the sake of brevity. Furthermore, the omission of such words plays a vital role; it invites man to engage with the Quran and as result, the reciter builds a connection with the Quran to read beyond the text. 2) Another body of scholars are of the opinion that such phrases are in their literal meaning. Allah took oaths upon these creations as this was also the practice of the Arabs. So to add extra weight to the message, Allah communicated in a style common to the recipients. 3) Another famous opinion is that by taking oaths upon the creation, Allah is showing His greatness. Reason being, if the invention of an inventor is great, then the mere mention of such an invention entertains praise for the inventor. So Allah the almighty is swearing upon His inventions which display His greatness, which in reality equates to taking an oath on His majesty and grandeur. (al-Itqaan 505-508) 4) Allah isn’t taking an oath on these creations, instead Allah is summoning these creations to witness what is about to be said. The sole purpose is to show mankind the submission and humbleness of creations far greater than them, so what stops them from submitting? These creations readily stand witness and accept the words of Allah. (Kashful Baari 2/515) Abul Qasim said, “The taking of oath on any entity is primarily due to two reasons: either its virtue or its benefit.” For example, Allah takes an oath upon Mount Sinai, this is solely dues its virtue and merit. Whereas the oath on the fig and olive is principally due to the immense benefit it extends. Other scholars have looked at the oaths from a different angle and commented that all oaths will fall under one of the three categories: 1) Oaths of Allah upon Himself 2) Oaths of Allah on His actions In Surah ash-Shams Allah says, “And [by] the sky and He who constructed it. And [by] the earth and He who spread it. And [by] the soul and He who proportioned it.” 3) Oaths upon the effects of the actions of Allah For example Allah says in Surah an-Najm, “By the star when it descends.” The different issues upon which oaths are taken upon: 1) Oaths to stress the necessity to believe in core principles. For example, Allah takes an oath on the angels to stress belief in concept of monotheism, “ By those [angels] lined up in rows And those who drive [the clouds]And those who recite the message, Indeed, your God is One, Lord of the heavens and the earth and that between them and Lord of the sunrises.(Surah as-Saaffaat 1-5) 2) Oaths to underline that the Quran is a divine revelation. “Then I swear by the setting of the stars, and indeed, it is an oath – if you could know – [most] great. Indeed, it is a noble Qur’an.” (Surah al-Waqi’ah 75-77) 3) Oaths to underscore the authenticity of the prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace). Allah says, “Ya, Seen. By the wise Qur’an. Indeed you, [O Muhammad], are from among the messengers, On a straight path.” 4) Oaths to add weight to the reality of the reckoning in the Hereafter and the undeniable outcome of it. Allah says, “By those [winds] scattering [dust] dispersing. And those [clouds] carrying a load [of water]. And those [ships] sailing with ease. And those [angels] apportioning [each] matter. Indeed, what you are promised is true. And indeed, the recompense is to occur.” (Adh-Dhaariyaat 1-6) 5) Oaths to emphasise the state of man. Allah says, “By the horses that gallop, panting, and the producers of sparks [when] striking. And the chargers at dawn, stirring up thereby [clouds of] dust, arriving thereby in the centre collectively, Indeed mankind, to his Lord, is ungrateful.” (Surah al-‘Adiyaat 1-6) 1 Like |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 5:45pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
IamBlanco: How are you sure they heard of him and that it was an Angel talking apart from Moses? Bring the evidences for this. |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 7:05pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
AbuTwins: I'm going to Saudi Arabia to study Arabic... But you mentioned Royal "WE" earlier |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by k4kenny(f): 9:33pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
usermane: The average Muslim does not need to scratch his head to understand that Allah switches from singular to plural as he wishes. We fully understand the verse. This is a book that is recited in the original form it was revealed. It has not gone through a language editor . |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by k4kenny(f): 9:39pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
AgentNairaland: Jesus Christ indeed . Tell that to the Jews who had the OT 2000 years before Jesus and still use it 2000 years after.There's no confusion about it, the 'we' was God, addressing Himself in Plural. Besides, how can Jesus be with God? Ain't they the same, according to your theology?  1 Like |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 11:16pm On Sep 06, 2019 |
k4kenny: It was even propounded by the same JEWS you mentioned... Oya say another thing You asked how can Jesus Christ be with God bla bla bla?? Jesus Christ said in Revelation 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the begining and the end.. Moreso In John 10:30 Jesus Christ said I and my father are one Jesus Christ is NOT a SLAVE to his Father as Prophet Muhammad pbuh was Allah's slave in which Allah couldn't communicated directly to him if NOT with the help of Angel Jubril 1 Like |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by k4kenny(f): 4:10pm On Sep 07, 2019 |
AgentNairaland: How was it propounded by the Jews? Please provide scriptural proof? The Jews, like Muslims, believe in 1 God and think the concept of the trinity is ridiculous. Some even call it paganism. I can provide youtube links of Rabbis explaining such. How can Jesus be God and not know the last day? How can Satan try to deceive Jesus on a mountain, a god? Lazarus has been dead for 4 days, Jesus had no knowledge of it till he was told, then he wept  God wept  . Please go to your bible and read what Jesus said to the people after Lazarus was brought back to life by the will of HIS LORD.Jesus mentioned in multiple places in the bible that he was sent. By who? We have no problems being identified as the slaves of Allah, the Greatest, Creator of the Heavens and earth, the Ever-living. Jesus saying he and his father are 1 doesn't make him God. There's a difference between saying 'we are one' and 'we are the same'. Saying we are one means we're united in purpose e.g the song with the lyrics: we are family, we are one' Would we then conclude the the composer is saying we are the same? Jesus prayed with his face to the ground, like a slave to his master. He never saw himself as an equal to Almighty God. Go read the book by ex Christian scholar Bart Ehrman 'How Jesus became God'. Humand made Jesus a god. 1 Like |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 5:07pm On Sep 07, 2019 |
k4kenny: 1. You said JEWS like Museums... Do you remember how Muhammad beheaded over 600 Jews And Christians living in Mecca, Tell me how come Jews will like Muslims.. Let me tell another thing you don't know... Prophet Muhammad PBUH was poisoned by A Jewish lady called Safiyat This is the HADETH Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison." Sahih Bukhari 5:59:713 2. You said Jesus Christ is NOT God, Even the Glorious Quran call Him As MESSIAH... Hope you knw that Only GOD is the MESSIAH When the angels said: “O Mary! Allah gives you the good news of a Word from Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, who is illustrious in this world and the hereafter, and who is one of those brought near [to Allah]. (3.45) In Conclusion, Bro don't be confused, all what I shown you here are in glorious quran and hadith resp |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by true2god: 4:31pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
AbuTwins:Let me not dwell much on this, it is very clear that it was not Allah that spoke in surah alfathiha. You can do your intellectual gymnastics to explain it away, the fact still remains that alfathia below is not the word of any God but a man praying to his God. (1) In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Bestower of Mercy (2) Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds[mankind, jinn and all that exist] (3) The Entirely Merciful, the Bestower of Mercy (4) Master of the Day of Judgment (5) Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek (6) Show us the straight path (Islam) (7) The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace (Muslims), those whose (portion) is not wrath (the Jews), and who go not astray (the Christians). Since you are not sincere, I need an objective mind to tell me who is talking in the surah above. If for the benefit of the doubt, I remotely agreed that it was Allah speaking in surah alfathiha, it is like me writing a letter to myself and it makes no sense. |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Teeboy108: 5:14pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
AgentNairaland: What some ignorant people like you fail to realize is that a plural can also be used in the form of respect.I have seen people even from the Yoruba tribe do the same. So there is no doubt about the fact that Allah is only One God.When He uses the plural pronoun, it is intended as a form of respect. |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Teeboy108: 5:30pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
AgentNairaland: AgentNairaland: AgentNairaland: It is funny how christians try to justify the divinity of Christ through the Noble Qur'aan, despite ample proofs from surah Maryam and other chapters that he was a mere Servant of Allah sent as a prophet to the Jews of his time.The fact that he was called a Messiah, should not be a proof of divinity but a testament that he was indeed sent just like other prophets to save the people from path to destruction and lead them to the way of God. 1 Like |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Teeboy108: 5:36pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
k4kenny: Baarakallahu feekum Akhee!!! May Allah continue to enrich you in knowledge and understanding.And we ask Allah to guide the truth seekers among the disbeleivers so they could embrace the light of Islam, the only true religion, before its too late!!! k4kenny: Baarakallahu feekum Akhee!!! May Allah continue to enrich you in knowledge and understanding.And we ask Allah to guide the truth seekers among the disbeleivers so they could embrace the light of Islam, the only true religion, before its too late!!! k4kenny: Baarakallahu feekum Akhee!!! May Allah continue to enrich you in knowledge and understanding.And we ask Allah to guide the truth seekers among the disbeleivers so they could embrace the light of Islam, the only true religion, before its too late!!! |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by k4kenny(f): 5:43pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
Teeboy108: Ameen wa iyyaki |
| Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 5:49pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
Teeboy108: The point is that why does Allah failed to referred Prophet Muhammad as your MESSIAH from the whole Quran?? I have read through Quran from Front cover to back cover NO where Muhammad was called as your MESSIAH... Another Shame Quran gave to Muhammad is that his name appeared Just FOUR times compared to the name of Jesus that appeared in 24 Times... If truly All the texts in Quran are Allah's words why did he failed to recognize Muhammad more than Jesus Son of Mary rather than Allah calling Jesus as your SAVIOUR (MESSIAH) neglecting Muhammad pbuh This is to show you the real truth/proof from the Noble Quran as u said that Jesus is God, the MESSIAH.. Mind you, Quran even said Jesus was sent to world at large not Muhammad that only passed through Mecca and Medinat all in Saudi Arabia Don't let one Alfa, Sheikh or Imam deceive you, get your facts and face the truth.. If a whole Prophet Muhammad pbuh was poisoned to death, don't you think something is wrong somewhere?? YOU ALSO SAID [s]Jesus prayed with his face to the ground, like a slave to his master. He never saw himself as an equal to Almighty God. Go read the book by ex Christian scholar Bart Ehrman 'How Jesus became God'. Humand made Jesus a god.[/s] YOU KNOW IN ISLAM, YOU CAN'T PRAY WITHOUT OBSERVING ABLUTION AT FIRST AND FOREMOST.. ONE THING I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SHOW ME IS THAT THE QURANIC VERSE OR BIBLE VERSE THAT SAYS JESUS CHRIST PERFORMED ABLUTION (Aluwala) BEFORE PRAYING Or are you among the SLAVES of Allah which believe that Jesus Christ is coming back to Cycling the black stone of Kaaba, perform Hajj and throw the devil's stone in Mecca?? See don't be deceive I beg you |
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