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Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by Ifiok21: 2:33pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
This Op does not know what he is saying. Anywhere they condemn wine he would say that is alcohol, but elsewhere he would say it is fruit juice. What of Deuteronomy 14: 25 where it says if you can't reach where you pay your tithes use the money to buy what ever suits your heart including strong drink or wine. Or in Matthew 11:19 where Jesus is accused of being a drunk and glutton for eating and drinking alcohol with tax collectors and sinners. 2 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by executive12: 2:35pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: With this, I give up on you. You obviously don't know what you are talking about. 2 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by mike272(m): 2:37pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
Awol1: If you are lazy to read everything he wrote then you shouldn't be in a rush to reply him. Guess it's guys like you that judges a book or person by his looks. |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by elotajohn1(m): 2:39pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
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Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by Adroit144(m): 2:44pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:pls I don't understand.. is Solomon Jesus' father? 4 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by atoleybaba(m): 2:49pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:did the bible say don't touch it with ur lips or u are also adding what you think? Cos after reading the whole bible on the topic about wine, it pointed to d fact u should do all things in moderation.... See a chocolate bar for example. Someone could give a warning, don't get carried away by the color and design of the chocolate cause it causes Jedi Jedi(pail) [just like the warning on wine in the bible] does this mean chocolate is bad for us? Everyone knows too much of sweet things causes problem, same with alcohol if misused. Moderation is what d bible preach and not forbidden 3 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by gobuchinny: 2:50pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
elotajohn1: Lazy chosen humans that wont study their bible but allow another chosen charlatan to extort and deceive them. Christians that cant think for themselves with the Holy Spirit. They cant study scriptures but allow these career criminals explain the bible to them forgetting to work out their own salavtion Lazy chosens 2 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by Frankled(m): 2:50pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
We understand you're trying to preach the Word. Almost everyone here are Christians just like you. But the topic you bring is unnecessary if your intentions and discipline is on check. Have you ever read "lev 10:9". It says; You and your sons are not to drink wine or other fermented drink whenever you go into the tent of meeting, or you will die. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. This was God talking to priests not even the congregation. And this means that he said they should drink but not to drink when they go into the tent of meeting in order to really teach and direct people on what is good. Sometimes wen you are in Christ you don't even force it but to drop some normal behavior which is not sin, everybody's purpose is not the same. Just like paul said that he would prefered for you not to get married at all so that you will fully consentrate on God but if you think you cant, you should marry. In all thy getting, get Wisdom 3 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by dcncorniels: 2:51pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
the Christian faith is not guided by rule's and regulations but by the leading and teaching of the Holy Spirit 2 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by gobuchinny: 2:54pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
dcncorniels: Actually its guided by the new testament doctrines. While we are at liberty in Christ we are bound by the doctrine of Christ else there will be no order The Holy spirit wont teach you anything outside the NT teachings. He confirms the word and puts us in remembrance of the word 1 Like |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by Nobody: 2:56pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:I hope you know proverbs does not form part of the mosaic laws by which Israelites live. Proverbs, Psalms, Ecclesiastes, SOS are known as books of the kings. They are not part of the books containing laws of God as far as Jews are concerned. If you're a Bible scholar as you claim you should know dis. 3 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by elotajohn1(m): 2:57pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
gobuchinny: One of them once invited me to their crusade, I went. When we now had our own church programme, I invited her she told me that she can't leave light and go to darkness. Funny thing is that, People now gullibly allow a Man to come up with his own doctrines and wash away their sense of reasonings. Both educated and non educated are being fooled by the gods of Men 2 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by mekuxiani(m): 3:03pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:your reading from the book of proverbs in the first place it's deeper than that in meaning read well and do research things in the book of proverbs is proverbial your just reading for reading sakes your seriously lacking in understanding 3 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by TVSA: 3:07pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
athorello: Late comer, learn to follow the thread before you jump to conclusion like an elementary school pupil. Your assumption that "drunk" in this passage is the past participle of "drink" is fallacious at best. Let me help you. "Drunk" in that passage is from the original Greek lexicon, "methuo" Word: μεθύω Transliteration: methuó Phonetic Spelling: (meth-oo'-o) Definition: to be drunken Usage: I am intoxicated with wine, am drunk. It means to be intoxicated. It was used in other places like Matthew 24:49 KJV And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 1 Corinthians 11:21 KJV For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. Acts 2:15 KJV For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 1 Thessalonians 5:7 KJV For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. All the words in bold are from the same Greek word "methuo". Which means to be intoxicated Or all the places also mean past participle of "drinking water"? 2 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by Socrates05(m): 3:09pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
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Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by Socrates05(m): 3:10pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
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Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by Offpoint: 3:17pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Like it or not, the wine mentioned are Alcoholic... Those in attendance of that wedding weren't all Righteous to say the wine was juice. How do you go to a TRADITIONAL WEDDING and all drinks you supplied are fruit juice? Does that makes sense to you? If it was fruit Jesus would have also drank out of it but he didn't because it was Alcoholic. I personally don't drink Alcohol, I don't even taste it... not on religious ground, it's a personal decision. You can't tell me I'll go to hell if I take a glass of Alcohol. In many cultures of the world from time memorial till date, Alcoholic wine is what is always available in any TRADITIONAL WEDDING 2 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by anienge001: 3:20pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
Buliwyf: Some Nigerian Christians have lost some reasoning ability. Just leave them to their ignorance. 2 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by ShockWeaver: 3:23pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
I commend your effort to unravel this "mystery" and provide an argument that drinking wine is a sin. However, I must say that you are wrong and have joined with some pastors and preachers that curate bible verses to support their unfounded "convictions." WINE is alcoholic. In the Bible, there were references to wine that do not fit the alcoholic nature of it, however, there were references to the good properties of wine in the Bible. It is drunkenness that was frowned upon every-time in the Bible, not general consumption of alcohol. Additionally, there are references to beer in the Bible which was also alcoholic. Isaiah 24:9 No longer do they drink wine with a song; the beer is bitter to its drinkers. Isaiah 56:12 “Come,” each one cries, “let me get wine! Let us drink our fill of beer! And tomorrow will be like today, or even far better.” I could continue this argument, but it is the arrogance of a conviction of superior knowledge and a compulsion to lead people into a more difficult version of Christianity, laced with fear of being punished by God for not following outlandish and preposterous directives deters me from doing so. I know it will fall on deaf ears of people who are unwilling to talk in-depth about the Bible and prefer to claim divine enlightenment that is not available to the "common man (I can bet you have a scripture for this and for everything you wish to support - the church had scriptures for the burning of "witches"." In summary: All forms of alcohol are not sins; only drunkenness is. Jesus turned water to alcoholic wine - Don't assume for the Bible that he wouldn't have wanted to get people more drunk or wanted to prevent accidents like he was a road safety worker. Before this gets unnecessarily long like your article. I hope you are ready to engage in more discussions and admit that you may be wrong. 4 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by Frankled(m): 3:27pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
elotajohn1: My brother, Odi egwu. Its a serious something o. Many of them are slaves to their churches, pastor and cursing other churches. No personal relationship with God. Na them dey even wicked people, na some of them make people don't attend church. May God help 2 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by Frankled(m): 3:30pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
elotajohn1: My brother, Odi egwu. Its a serious something o. Many of them are slaves to their churches, pastor and cursing other churches. No personal relationship with God. Na them dey even wicked people, na some of them make people no dey go church. May God help us 1 Like |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by DavidEsq(m): 3:36pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
itsMrIke:Dope grammar. Kee him wel wel 2 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by DavidEsq(m): 3:38pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
Dis is the very death of OP and his lies 2 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by idtwo: 3:48pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
"When they want to be foolish, they rush to the Greek" I am disappointed albagdadi made the above comment. It seems obvious you are not open to learning, having made up your mind to believe what you perceive as the truth. We know that proper deep understanding of the Bible depends on the holy Spirit helping one. In addition, it requires scholarship or studying in your part to understand the original language the Bible was written in. TVSA took great care to give you the Greek root word and it's interpretation but you casually brush it off in your comment quoted above, you can't be helped because you aren't ready to learn. Your argument that one wine is fruit juice is also faulty because it is based on mere conjecture to fit a view you already have/hold. Well done TVSA & others who wrote logically. 3 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by djoe21(m): 3:57pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: The way you write one would think you co-authored the bible. 2 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by ojonugwap(m): 4:06pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
Chosen1984: No. Maybe you Go read your Bible ROMAN 14 :1- 20 1 Like |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by djoe21(m): 4:07pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Brother sorry to say but you remind me of the Scribes and Pharisees. People you thought they knew the law more than anyone to the point that it blinded them enough not to recognise when God was trying to correct them. Just be careful bro. I think you could also do with a little bit of humility. 2 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by ojonugwap(m): 4:07pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Read ROMAN 14..... |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by djoey89: 4:12pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
From all this front and back, cant we say the bible is the problem in the first place. |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by Nobody: 4:13pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:You still don't get it do you? Numbers and Deut which you quoted first come before Proverbs and are described as the books of the Laws. There is no where in all those books where alcohol consumption is forbidden. So this means that Israelites have been taking alcohol before Prov 23 was written. Is that ur assertion and what made God to change his mind and not speak through a prophet like he usually does but this time through a king? 2 Likes |
Re: The Bible Does Not Support Drinking Alcohol, Don't Let Anyone Fool You by Gurusblend(m): 4:39pm On Sep 08, 2019 |
Who’s interested?? Mr OP we’ve heard you, but my spirit keeps telling me to drink and enjoy myself.. Even my God will not be happy with me if I deprive myself of happiness 3 Likes
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