alBHAGDADI:


He told Timothy to drink wine aka Fruit juice for his stomach ache, just we use orange to cure stomach ache today.

Nowhere did he tell anyone to drink alcohol.

Awol1:
Quiet an epistle you have here. I admit I couldn't read all.

Chosen1984:
Ok sir.... Rapture will Tell

alBHAGDADI:


So Jesus gave people alcohol to drink when his Father said we shouldn't t even look at it. Proverbs 23:31

alBHAGDADI:


Yes, Proverbs 23:31 is talking about the dangers of alcohol. But it doesn't say we should drink it in moderation. It says do not look at it, talkless of touching it with your lips.

elotajohn1:
NB


Chosen people una own too much shaa

dcncorniels:
the Christian faith is not guided by rule's and regulations but by the leading and teaching of the Holy Spirit

alBHAGDADI:


Go and read Porverbs 23:31 and beyond to see God telling people not to drink wine, not to even look at it

gobuchinny:


Lazy chosen humans that wont study their bible but allow another chosen charlatan to extort and deceive them. Christians that cant think for themselves with the Holy Spirit. They cant study scriptures but allow these career criminals explain the bible to them forgetting to work out their own salavtion

Lazy chosens

alBHAGDADI:


No, the Bible doesn't say we can drink but not get drunk. The Bible says DON'T EVEN LOOK AT IT. Proverbs 23:31

athorello:


Learn English first, the "drunk" there is the past participle of "drink" like when you've drunk water. Good (expensive) wine, bad (cheap) wine, not necessarily the alcohol content. If I'm to even follow your baseless logic, good wine should be strong wine.

@op, So drink offering was actually Shnapps. Learning everyday. Proverbs is not the law. Common sense even tells you that alcoholism is bad.

I'm a pentecostal but most of you are on over drive. You know Bible more than catholics and JW. I even believe that the wine used for the passover/Lord's super/communion was even alcoholic. Else, how could some get drunk from the communion wine?

TVSA:
May God almighty continue to give you more understanding and wisdom to read, think and interpret right. The guy posted this thread is suffering from insomnia

I thought you know the root word of the words you wrote your epistle about. The word "drunk " was translated from what in the original greek lexicon? I bet you didn't check.

Original Word: μεθύω
Transliteration: methuó
Phonetic Spelling: (meth-oo'-o)
Definition: to drink to intoxication, that is, to get drunk

Other usage in the new testament. Matthew 24:49; Acts 2:15; 1 Corinthians 11:21; 1 Thessalonians 5:7.

Matthew 24:49 KJV
And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

Acts 2:15 KJV
For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

1 Corinthians 11:21 KJV
For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

1 Thessalonians 5:7 KJV
For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

They all referred to being intoxicated. Even the wine they used for holy communion in 1 Cor 11:21 was alcoholic

TVSA:
May God almighty continue to give you more understanding and wisdom to read, think and interpret right. The guy posted this thread is suffering from insomnia

I thought you know the root word of the words you wrote your epistle about. The word "drunk " was translated from what in the original greek lexicon? I bet you didn't check.

Original Word: μεθύω
Transliteration: methuó
Phonetic Spelling: (meth-oo'-o)
Definition: to drink to intoxication, that is, to get drunk

Other usage in the new testament. Matthew 24:49; Acts 2:15; 1 Corinthians 11:21; 1 Thessalonians 5:7.

Matthew 24:49 KJV
And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

Acts 2:15 KJV
For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

1 Corinthians 11:21 KJV
For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

1 Thessalonians 5:7 KJV
For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

They all referred to being intoxicated. Even the wine they used for holy communion in 1 Cor 11:21 was alcoholic

alBHAGDADI:


So because Jews drink alcohol today, we are now to disobey the word of God? And who told you Jews I've God today?

So because there was no refrigerator back then, it now means they didn't see the need to invent fruit juice? Look, refrigerator was invented because people saw the need to preserve things, fruit juice being one of them. Mind you, if you had read the OP, you would have seen that fruit juice existed in the days of the early Jews as stated in Isaiah 65:8 and also Songs of Solomon 8:2. This is contrary to your Mr Historian knowledge.

Buliwyf:
Lol. What sort of ignorant Christians are these? You guys don't even study history and know history but you come online and claim you know God.

Jews till date drink alcohol. That's your first clue as to what the Christians in the Bible drank. Not fruit juice. They didn't make fruit juice back in the days because they would have been unable to keep it fresh with the technology available to them.

Immediately fresh grape wine is stored, by the next day it starts fermenting due to a natural process and becomes alcoholic. Ask yourself how they were able to drink wine during the winter? It was the stored fermented grape wine they drank. If not for the fermentation it will spoil.

elotajohn1:


One of them once invited me to their crusade, I went. When we now had our own church programme, I invited her she told me that she can't leave light and go to darkness.

Funny thing is that, People now gullibly allow a Man to come up with his own doctrines and wash away their sense of reasonings. Both educated and non educated are being fooled by the gods of Men

elotajohn1:


One of them once invited me to their crusade, I went. When we now had our own church programme, I invited her she told me that she can't leave light and go to darkness.

Funny thing is that, People now gullibly allow a Man to come up with his own doctrines and wash away their sense of reasonings. Both educated and non educated are being fooled by the gods of Men

itsMrIke:
OP will you keep quiet already.

After quoting Deuteronomy 14:26, you are still writing the thrash up there. So the phrase "whatsoever your soul lust after.." means what then. Then to quote context, you are bringing and entirely different book from the bible?

Such brazen display of wanton ignorance and foolery.

I am sure you will say communion wine is grape juice, yet you will ignore the part where Paul admonished the early Christians who get drunk on communion wine while others were yet to partake.

Go read your bible to understand and stop being clever by half.

alBHAGDADI:


The Bold part is where your problem lie, lazy reader. If you had read the entire write-up, you would have seen that the Bible speaks two kinds of wine: Fruit juice and alcoholic beverage.

Paul didn't advice Timothy to take alcohol. It was fruit juice he advised. Telling Timothy to take alcohol is the same as going against the Book of Proverbs 23:31 that says we shouldn't even look at alcoholic wine not to talk of drinking it, regardless of the amount.


Now, go back and read the OP again, Mr personal encounter with God who throws away the word of God just to operate based on his own conscience.

Chosen1984:
THE TRUTH IS BITTER BECAUSE IT HURTS.
Op, By the Spirit of GOD , you Have Dished out the Truth .. It will Hurt Many of Us but it is The Truth..

GOD BLESS U

alBHAGDADI:


Yes, I do. Or are you not talking about the same bishops in Italy that tell people to bow down to statue of Mary which is contrary to God's word?

Or are you not talking about the same bishops in Germany whom Martin Luther rose up against because they were teaching errors and satanic doctrines?

YES, I know more than them and it's all by God's grace.

alBHAGDADI:

Hello,

There's this wrong believe among Christians that the Bible supports drinking alcohol but only in moderation. They say we can drink alcohol but we shouldn't get drunk. Well, I will be using Bible verses to show that Christians are not to look at alcohol not to talk of drinking it. Also, this thread will debunk common lies told to support drinking alcohol e.g Jesus turning water to wine.

The word wine is mentioned 231 times in the Bible. But the mistake we make today is that we think the wine mentioned is just alcholic wine. Half the time wine is mentioned in the Bible, it is about fruit juice.

In the Greek and Hebrew languages in which the Bible was written in, the word translated as wine was used to refer to alcohol and also fruit juice. So when those who translated the Bible into English did so, they had to look for an English word which could mean alcoholic beverage and fruit juice. That word is wine. You might wonder why the translators didn't make things easy for us by just writing fruit juice when the verse is talking of fruit juice and write alcoholic beverage when it's about alcohol. The thing is, doing such would mean they are injecting their own idea into the Bible.

Now, in modern times, we have this believe that wine means an alcoholic drinks. That's why we think the word wine in the Bible is always referring to alcohol. Let's me show you that wine in the Bible doesn't always mean alcoholic beverage but fruit juice.



As seen above, wine is found in the cluster i.e wine still in the cluster of grapes. This is purely fruit juice and not alcoholic.

However, grapes usually have a white powdery film around it called yeast. It is that yeast that is made use of to make alcoholic wine. They crush the grapes and in the process the yeast mixed with the fruit juice that was inside grape cluster. Next fermentation takes place then the result if alcoholic wine. Most times, wine makers add more yeast to attain the desired alcohol level. So you see, wine moved from normal fruit juice before it became alcoholic wine after yeast was added.

Now, there are two types of wine as explained above: The alcoholic and fruit juice. There's a certain type of wine the Bible said we shouldn't even look at, not to talk of touching our lips with it. Read the passage below.



The verse above is talking about alcoholic wine. It even describes fermentation process. It says we shouldn't even look at that type of wine. Yet some folks say we can drink it in moderation.



It describes the feeling one gets after drinking alcohol. It's a horrible feeling.



Have you ever had alcohol such that after taking it, women whom you would never touch with a ten foot poll suddenly start looking attractive to you? The above verse describes it as the effect of alcohol. It also describes how you start saying all sorts of junks which you would not normal say.



Remember when you lie down after taking alcohol and the whole bed seems like you are swimming, and also you feel like you are floating and your eyes being dizzy. That's the feeling described.



After the whole horrible night and you wake up to hangover, what's the cure drunkards usual prescribe? They say to cure hangover, start drinking again. That's what the above passage described.

Yet, some people say we can drink alcohol in moderation and that it only becomes a sin when we get drunk. Sorry buddy, the Bible says don't even look at it.

The Bible doesn't say we should drink alcohol in moderation. It says we should be sober at all times (1 Thessalonians 5:6 Titus 2:3).

Now let's see the common verses people love to twist to try to say we can drink alcohol

The first is found in the passage where Jesus turned water into wine. They fail to realize that it was fruit juice kind of wine, not the alcoholic or fermented one. Let's examine the passage carefully.



According to some people, it was alcoholic wine Jesus turned water into and gave the people at the wedding to drink. However, a closer look shows that not to be the case.

Pay close attention to verse 10 where the Bible says when men have well drunk. Let's see how the New International Version (NIV) renders that verse.



If it was alcoholic wine Jesus turned water into, then it basically means he wanted to destroy the guests at the wedding. After they have had too much to drink, Jesus decided to give them more. That means if there were cars back then, many would have accidentally on their way home. Remember the passage in Proverbs 23 which talks about the horrible effects alcohol. If we say these people were already drunk on alcohol, then Jesus just helped them double those effect in their life by giving them more. This means they would start to behold strange women and say perverse things. Now, tell me, who would want to listen to Jesus preach the next morning after the "alcoholic wine" he gave them to drink made some of the men to sleep with their housemaid to the anger of their wives? Made them to saw perverse things to their boss? Made them to sleep in the gutter? Yet you say Jesus gave people alcohol to drink.

Jesus didn't give anybody alcohol to drink. Doing so would mean he's a liar. Remember what he said in the passage below.



If it was alcoholic wine Jesus turned water into at the wedding in Cana, then he abolished the law and the prophet which spoke against alcoholic wine in Proverbs 23:31. So clearly it wasn't alcoholic wine he turned water into but fruit juice.

Another passage people love to use for an excuse to drink alcohol is seen below.

Mathew 11:18-19
18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

The above passage talks about a false accusations against Jesus who pointed out how they also falsely accused John the Baptist. Yet, some people will say because Jesus was accused of being a drunkard then it means he use to drink alcohol. Was John the Baptist possessed with a devil? No, but he was accused of such. I now wonder why you believe Jesus drank alcohol due to some false accusations. Remember, the accusation is that he was a drunkard. So if you use this verse to justify drinking alcohol, then don't get angry when some tells you that Jesus use to fall into gutter after getting drunk; he use to behold strange women and say perverse things. Can you see how wrong they are with their interpretation of the passage?

Another verse they use is seen below.




They pick the verse out context and say God is telling us that we can buy alcohol and drink it. If you read the previous verses, you will see that the context is about tithing. Those items listed alongside strong drink are to be brought to the temple for sacrifice to God. Some are eating, but it excludes the strong drink because nowhere in the above passage does it say drink the strong drink, same way it doesn't say drink the oil. Now, see what the strong drink is used for.



The strong drink or wine is poured out onto the Lord for a drink offering. It is not to be drank at all. But people have twisted the verse in Deutoronomy 14:26 to mean God is saying we can drink alcohol even when he said in Proverbs 23 that we shouldn't even look at it.

Guys, drinking alcohol is a sin and every Christian should abstain from it. Don't let anybody fool you into think moderation is the key. A little sip sends your good sense of judgment out the window. That's when another glass or bottle won't seem like a bad idea. And note, wine has tripple alcohol content that four bottles of beer. So don't think drinking a glass of wine is sophisticated. You are emore alcoholic than the beer drinker.

alBHAGDADI:


Go and read Porverbs 23:31 and beyond to see God telling people not to drink wine, not to even look at it