NGpatriot:





They spent $630 million on 11km, yes or no?

Have they completed the project? Yes or No

NGpatriot:


You are the one getting aggressive and insulting by going on and on about paymaster paying me peanuts for my future.

Comppose yourself and argue with sane logic instead of insults and emotions.

Bros why not tell your paymasters to make your job easier by bringing to public knowledge the contract papers for this project. Is it that hard to do?

NGpatriot:


The OP and the useless article said the rail project in Lagos and the one in Ethiopia are the same, so how come the cost of the project in Lagos is almost 3 times less than the same comparable project in Ethiopia?

So, going by your logic, it means the people in Ethiopia either over budget, engaged in fraud and looted funds.

If you truly believe that the cost of the project in Lagos is $182 million, then the stole money in Ethiopia for spending almost 3 times more than Lagos on the comparable project in Lagos.

Fact is, these projects and contracts are awarded in phases and I suspect the $182 was for a specific phase, the fact that the overall price tag for the entire project including the 10 lane freeway is $1.3 billion doesn't mean the whole project cost $182 million.

This is pretty much common sense.

Now, do you see how contradictory, illogical and comical the OP and the gullible people swallowing the tales are?

Whichever way, it should be completed. Traffic in Lagos is too bad.

obynzo:


Have they completed the project? Yes or No

Stop playing games, It's silly and childish to answer a question with a question, just say you don't know and move on.

drshrewd:
development is a process not an event. It take some time to get to your desired destination. Lagos shall get there one day

your position on this is disgraceful to say the least... Our neighboring countries start projects and complete them on record time while ours always get abandoned and here you are showing how much Nigeria had sunken into you

SocialJustice:
Whichever way, it should be completed. Traffic in Lagos is too bad.

Work is ongoing and there's a set day fo completion. It's just a matter of time..

pokuasi:
your position on this is disgraceful to say the least... Our neighboring countries start projects and complete them on record time while ours always get abandoned and here you are showing how much Nigeria had sunken into you

List your neighbors with metro rail projects.

Lagos is an ordinary state in Nigeria, stop comparing Lagos state with countries, states don't have equal resources like countries.

Terribly sad

NGpatriot:



Ethiopia/$475 million for 34km

Mumbai/$630 million for 11km


So, please explain to us why Mumbai spent more than Ethiopia on ordinary 11km?

Does it mean the people in Mumbai engaged in fraud and looted funds too?

You see how it's dumb and silly to make dumb comparison without facts and details?

Cost per acre in Mumbai in Andheri and nearby sites is as high as 100 million dollars depending on location.

If government has to buy private land @ lowered government rates, even in small amounts where government land is not sufficient it will run a huge tab.

NGpatriot:



List your neighbors with petro rail projects.

Lagos is an ordinary state in Nigeria, stop comparing Lagos state with countries, states don't have equal resources like countries.

Your excuse is what is holding us back! what has Lagos being a state got to do with price inflation of contracts!? why was the project started in the first place if it wasn't going to be completed? what happened to those whose houses and means of livelihood were demolished for this going to be abandoned project ?

NGpatriot:



List your neighbors with metro rail projects.

Lagos is an ordinary state in Nigeria, stop comparing Lagos state with countries, states don't have equal resources like countries.

Please don't forget that Lagos is the 5th largest economy in Africa, bigger than so many countries.

nemesis8u:


Cost per acre in Mumbai in Andheri and nearby sites is as high as 100 million dollars depending on location.

If government has to buy private land @ lowered government rates, even in small amounts where government land is not sufficient it will run a huge tab.

I don't believe that, anyway, they paid compensations and rebuilt demolished buildings in Lagos state to.

Gracealone:


Please don't forget that Lagos is the 5th largest economy in Africa, bigger than so many countries.

Their operational budget is still $3 billion, regardless of the size of the economy which is meager based on the scope and obligations.

pokuasi:
Your excuse is what is holding us back! what has Lagos being a state got to do with price inflation of contracts!?

Do you have proof to show that any contract was inflated?

why was the project started in the first place if it wasn't going to be completed?

Where did you get that from? Work is ongoing.

what happened to those whose houses and means of livelihood were demolished for this going to be abandoned project ?

Follow news and current affairs.

Shit happens on projects all the time. A big project delivered on time and within budget is a rarity, not the norm. Issues will always come up.

Look at oceanic bank head office. That Adenuga office on Adeola Odeku was originally conceived in the 70s . It stalled and was restarted in the 00s. They met structures built for mainframe computers there.

And those are just simple buildings. It is quite possible that Lasg could have done better, but this is how a lot of public works mega projects go. I have worked on projects that had to be shut down as soon as they started because no one took legal issues seriously, projects that started and then were on hold for 9 months because of land issues. There will always be issues.

This is really a stakeholder engagement issue in the end

If you want intellectual discussions on the state of 'infrastructure builds' in Lagos, go read skyscrapercity.

Otherwise, who doesn't know the Lagos state government is a corrupt institution without transparency. One of the states famously known for failing to respond to FOI or release basics of signed contracts.

NGpatriot:


I don't believe that, anyway, they paid compensations and rebuilt demolished buildings in Lagos state to.

U r choice

Costs vary from country to country and hence the expenditure

Therefore project in India cannot be compared to a similar project in US , same for Nigeria or any other countries.

Anyways

GDP of Mumbai city (2019) is at 310 billion dollars. The higher the income , the higher the costs of almost everything.

BlackBaron:
If you want intellectual discussions on the state of 'infrastructure builds' in Lagos, go read skyscrapercity.

Otherwise, who doesn't know the Lagos state government is a corrupt institution without transparency. One of the states famously known for failing to respond to FOI or release basics of signed contracts.

@JoblessBeggar

A number of factors disrupted the implementation of the Blue Line.

The most prominent of these include the redesign and realignment at the very beginning (following the Red Line RoW imbroglio) which caused delays from the outset, the 3 years or thereabouts it took the NNPC to remove/relocate its pipelines along the RoW, and the free-fall of the Naira from a rate of about N118/$1 at project kick-off to the present rate of approximately N363/$1 (even falling as far as N520/$1 a couple of years ago). The latter means that if this was (for example) a $1 billion project, the cost more than tripled from N118 billion to N363 billion, necessitating the sourcing of an ADDITIONAL N245 billion, which is not terribly easy for a state government with relatively scarce resources and myriad competing needs.

Below is how the folks on skysrapercity you are talking about addressed the delays, they know all about the project, they've debated the topic and posted pictures and analyzed the delays with sensible rational and not single rubbish about people stealing money.

We know the reasons for the delays.

You made a mistake by referencing them to prove your fraud and scam comment because they are not into such childish talk, they are serious thinkers.

nemesis8u:


U r choice

Costs vary from country to country and hence the expenditure

Therefore project in India cannot be compared to a similar project in US , same for Nigeria or any other countries.

Anyways

GDP of Mumbai city (2019) is at 310 billion dollars. The higher the income , the higher the costs of almost everything.

With this conclusion, where is the sense in comparing Lagos Metro with Ethiopia Metro?

Thanks for highlighting my point.

NGpatriot:



With this conclusion, where is the sense in comparing Lagos Metro with Ethiopia Metro?

Thanks for highlighting my point.

Bros don't be evasive the point is that this project is laced with so much corruption

dolphinife:
Very disheartening I say. I'm not exonerating Fashola and Ambode of this monumental fraud, nor am I exalting corruption, but I think the reason Lagos Rail line is much more expensive is because it passes through the water ways. I might be wrong tho

And right of way settlement.I may be wrong too o

Long story short, as long as you have long throatism in government, you can kiss that light rail (e don be). It is what it is.

Sick and tired of excuses, with the amount of resources we were pulling back in the day and a sustainable plan on ground, Nigeria would have been a great place.

pokuasi:
your position on this is disgraceful to say the least... Our neighboring countries start projects and complete them on record time while ours always get abandoned and here you are showing how much Nigeria had sunken into you

note that this project is a state project, lagos is financing it from its own coffer... i don"t think there's any state or sub-region in africa that can do that, we can applaud d state for that.

I don't think the blue line and addis line also have d same specification and scope of work.

NGpatriot:







Below is how the folks on skysrapercity you are talking about addressed the delays, they know all about the project, they've debated the topic and posted pictures and analyzed the delays with sensible rational and not single rubbish about people stealing money.

We know the reasons for the delays.

You made a mistake by referencing them to prove your fraud and scam comment because they are not into such childish talk, they are serious thinkers.

Environmental challenges apart, there's still a lot of fraudulent practices within the Lagos State government. We have no details on costings, legal issues and whatnot. Citizens are largely left in the dark hence why very little is known. This project is already 14+years in the making!
If Nigerian government was serious, it'll have started a public inquiry.

obynzo:


Bros why not tell your paymasters to make your job easier by bringing to public knowledge the contract papers for this project. Is it that hard to do?

impossible request,for this reason they kill the foi act in Lagos
There is no need,they have a master plan guided by saint jagaban

cooltola:
A state that generate money with nothing to show. Thank God for the private sector that provide jobs. Tinubu and his supporters must go, they have turned Lagos to an eyesore.

I recently spent 3 weeks in Lagos on a visit. I was born and bred there. It's like no one is in control. Lagos is like a huge asylum filled with half insane people. It's pure madness and complete chaos. From garbage filled drainages to beachfronts filled with piles of wastes dominated by plastic bottles... uncompleted overhead bridges including one that started more than 5 yrs ago (in Ajah) because it remained the same as last time I visited. I passed through Oshodi and the new transport edifice seemed out of place because it's entirely surrounded by filthy neighborhoods. Lagos in the hands of the right people is a problem-solver delight as there are so many workable solutions to the challenges but nothing good can happen with greed filled hearts and minds because they can't see beyond what they want to steal for themselves.

ornicus:
Shit happens on projects all the time. A big project delivered on time and within budget is a rarity, not the norm. Issues will always come up.

Look at oceanic bank head office. That Adenuga office on Adeola Odeku was originally conceived in the 70s . It stalled and was restarted in the 00s. They met structures built for mainframe computers there.

And those are just simple buildings. It is quite possible that Lasg could have done better, but this is how a lot of public works mega projects go. I have worked on projects that had to be shut down as soon as they started because no one took legal issues seriously, projects that started and then were on hold for 9 months because of land issues. There will always be issues.

This is really a stakeholder engagement issue in the end

Don't give excuses because it doesn't have to be that way. We are human beings with brains big enough to reason and foresee potential issues along the way except in places where people are not serious. An Indian guy I met told me how the government in one of their regions built this beautiful tunnel highway with no drainages that can handle flood because the construction team and the city in attempt to beat down cost (and probably have enough to steal) agreed that the city doesn't receive much rain to necessitate such type of drainages. Alas the city was once inundated with heavy rainfall after completion of the highway that it had to be short down. So what will happen in this case. Tear down the highway to redesign in order to include drainages?

BlackBaron:

Environmental challenges apart, there's still a lot of fraudulent practices within the Lagos State government. We have no details on costings, legal issues and whatnot. Citizens are largely left in the dark hence why very little is known. This project is already 14+years in the making!
If Nigerian government was serious, it'll have started a public inquiry.

Targets and completion dates are mostly realistic intentions but mostly doesn't account for delays necessitated by lawsuits, intransigent and uncooperative landowners, landlords, infrastructures like pipelines, electric poles, drainage and other unforeseen issues.

ROW issues obstructed this project for 3 long years so to tell you the truth, sure timing could be better, but going by 20 years delay in Mumbai and delays even in places like Dubai and the US with similar sets of issues, Lagos state is not in a unique situation.

“Alstom SA agreed with the submission of the consultant that the first phase of the rail project could only become operational in 2022 based on proposed funding pattern,”

Source

The article forgot mention the state is getting a new company to build the light rail. Alsto. Is supposed have the rail ready by 2022. I doubt it based on all the previous missed deadlines. If lagos does have the funding they should get it done.

As part of Phase 1, Alstom will ensure the electrification of a portion of the line with third rail as well as substations.  After phase 1, Alstom and the Lagos State Government intend to work jointly on Phase 2 of the project by structuring financing from Export Credit Agencies (ECA) to provide metro trains, CBTC based signalling, the operation and control centre, passenger information services and the ticketing system in the stations.

Alstom press release

NGpatriot:



Targets and completion dates are mostly realistic intentions but mostly doesn't account for delays necessitated by lawsuits, intransigent and uncooperative landowners, landlords, infrastructures like pipelines, electric poles, drainage and other unforeseen issues.

ROW issues obstructed this project for 3 long years so to tell you the truth, sure timing could be better, but going by 20 years delay in Mumbai and delays even in places like Dubai and the US with similar sets of issues, Lagos state is not in a unique situation.

You keep skirting around the issues. The key title in the article is 'accountability'. No project on this planet without issues, eg UK HS2.

As stakeholders in Lagos, we then deserve to cast greater scrutiny of the contract to understand cost overruns and complications.

From all indicators, it must be like most other contracts in Lagos with party loyalists swallowing % of the project money only for it to get bogged down.

Ahea