AjanleKoko:

For some reason I keep getting drawn to this debate

I'm willing to bet that 99% of the posters in favour and against have little say in the matter, i.e. you all can't even choose where you want to live.

I.e. the people in the diaspora definitely have it better than when they were in Nigeria, so they would not have it otherwise. I tend to lean towards their argument, though some people do take it to extreme.

As for the people in Naija (sorry Dora ), we fall into two broad categories: people who have never had the opportunity to live or work in another country, so they make assumptions based on their perception. 2nd category is people who have actually lived abroad, but did not have it good, therefore they also assume that no Nigerian is having it good abroad as well. That might be some kind of psychological justification for their perceived failure to succeed outside the country.

There is another, albeit smaller category: people who have lived and worked in both places, and were successful in both situations. In which case such people have little to be bitter about, so they don't vent passions unnecessarily. They are in a much better position to appraise both lifestyles, and can talk better about the pros and cons of both.

Unfortunately I don't seem to fall into any of the three categories so i have to sit on the fence for this one. But let me just say this: For citizens of the advanced countries, it hardly matters much where they choose to live. Brits can move to the US, Americans can move to Canada, New Zealanders can move to the UK, without raising serious immigration eyebrows. Outside that privileged clique, it's nothing but a hustle for everyone else. Therefore, my submission is that this argument is just BS, for all parties involved. In fact, if you have a different passport from the Nigerian passport, then the argument is not even relevant to you, your options are a whole lot wider than ours.

invisible!:

Your conclusions are flawed, you forgot to mention those who had chances to travel abroad but instead thought their chances will be more enhanced here hence they chose to stay in naija.
This group have serious self belief and confidence in their survival abilities, this is the group I belong in.

AjanleKoko:

If you say so. But I'm willing to bet otherwise. Sebi you be Naija

AjanleKoko:

If you say so. But I'm willing to bet otherwise. Sebi you be Naija

Come to think of it sef, it's your logic that is flawed. I looked at your statement again. You actually fall into my category A, because you're implying that you have never lived outside Nigeria. Whether you chose to stay or were forced to stay is moot, fact is that you do not have an idea of what it takes to be successful outside Nigeria, since you've kuku never tried it. Essentially, your decision to stay may just have been borne out of ignorance! Abi I lie?

OvieE:


invisible and buzugee are not Nigerian so let their ignorant continue to show for everyone to see.

they are just a spoiled brats that let loss and starts infecting everyone with their uncured diseases.

invisible!:

Your conclusions are flawed, you forgot to mention those who had chances to travel abroad but instead thought their chances will be more enhanced here hence they chose to stay in naija.
This group have serious self belief and confidence in their survival abilities, this is the group I belong in.

cap28:

the beauty of the internet is that anyone can come on here and claim to be a successful, multi talented whizz kid, its great because the internet provides escapism.  However on the other hand it can create unwarranted delusions of grandeur in the minds of certain individuals - i beleive that you are suffering from delusions of grandeur, in your delusional state you have actually convinced yourself that you had the opportunity to leave nigeria but chose not to - the truth is bitter my friend but it keeps you in touch with reality.  If you had serious self beleif as you call it you would not have spent hours on here trying to convince people that you are happy and content within that gangster run hell hole you call nigeria, lets face it you are in nigeria because you have no other choice, like i said the truth is bitter but try facing up to it once in a while - you will do yourself a big favour.

You also mention that you have good survival abilities - NEWSFLASH!!!!! - animals who live in the wild survive - human beings LIVE okay, it is the right of every human being on the planet to live with dignity and humanity by being able to have access  to food, shelter and employment - those are basics NOT luxuries but i can see that you have been conditioned to beleive that even having one of those things is a luxury - this is why i said earlier that IBB destroyed  the future of every young nigerian by cutting public expenditure on education, what you have now are semi illiterates like yourself who do not know their left from their right.

I am not under any illusions as to what nigeria is all about - i am aware that the place is a complete mess and needs a total overhaul all the way from the bottom up to the top, but if we stay here and just talk about change who is going to implement it.  

In my own case i have the choice to live in nigeria or live outside, i have chosen to make the move back to nigeria because i realise that europe and america are not really designed for the progress of non white people in general.

martinosi:

Nice to see you back Cap28, missed your insight,

cap28:

the beauty of the internet is that anyone can come on here and claim to be a successful, multi talented whizz kid, its great because the internet provides escapism.  However on the other hand it can create unwarranted delusions of grandeur in the minds of certain individuals - i beleive that you are suffering from delusions of grandeur, in your delusional state you have actually convinced yourself that you had the opportunity to leave nigeria but chose not to - the truth is bitter my friend but it keeps you in touch with reality.  If you had serious self beleif as you call it you would not have spent hours on here trying to convince people that you are happy and content within that gangster run hell hole you call nigeria, lets face it you are in nigeria because you have no other choice, like i said the truth is bitter but try facing up to it once in a while - you will do yourself a big favour.

You also mention that you have good survival abilities - NEWSFLASH!!!!! - animals who live in the wild survive - human beings LIVE okay, it is the right of every human being on the planet to live with dignity and humanity by being able to have access  to food, shelter and employment - those are basics NOT luxuries but i can see that you have been conditioned to beleive that even having one of those things is a luxury - this is why i said earlier that IBB destroyed  the future of every young nigerian by cutting public expenditure on education, what you have now are semi illiterates like yourself who do not know their left from their right.

I am not under any illusions as to what nigeria is all about - i am aware that the place is a complete mess and needs a total overhaul all the way from the bottom up to the top, but if we stay here and just talk about change who is going to implement it.  

In my own case i have the choice to live in nigeria or live outside, i have chosen to make the move back to nigeria because i realise that europe and america are not really designed for the progress of non white people in general.

invisible!:

I dont even know how to educate you, you seem too 'far gone' for redemption. Lets keep the conversations general as getting personal will mean judging a person you have never met.
The only thing that gladdens my heart about you is that in your last sentence, you still chose to come back and belong in naija, proving that you regret all your misadventure over there. Welcome back home my prodigal brother. You just proved my arguments were right afterall.

invisible!:

I dont even know how to educate you, you seem too 'far gone' for redemption. Lets keep the conversations general as getting personal will mean judging a person you have never met.
The only thing that gladdens my heart about you is that in your last sentence, you still chose to come back and belong in naija, proving that you regret all your misadventure over there. Welcome back home my prodigal brother. You just proved my arguments were right afterall.

debosky:

If you go on holiday and then return to your own house does it mean you regretted going there?  

There is a clear lack of critical reasoning lacking here - any action is seen as confirmation of your pre-conceived notion that everyone who leaves the country is regretting it when they come back. The more you post the more plausible cap28's claim of educational deficiencies in Nigeria become.  

invisible!:

Its you that lack critical thinking and education, have you ever asked yourself why someone who critcised my posts will come back and support same positions? Please enroll in a night school after working your 5 jobs.

You have bias on your mind and your thinking is clearly pigmented. "The man who invented myopia!"

cap28:

I wouldnt call finishing a second degree a "misadventure" neither would i call gaining work experience, travelling around the world to understand about different cultures and languages a "misadventure", what i would call a misadventure would be spending years abroad and learning nothing from one's experiences.  Life is a continuous learning experience, sadly for many of our people who leave nigeria to go to the west their focus is mainly on materialism.  Perhaps im fortunate in that i did not have to keep looking over my shoulder worrying about the immigration authorities, in many ways many of our people are operating in survival mode and therefore i don't really blame them.

But thanks for your "heartfelt " words in your penultimate sentence, look forward to seeing you when i get there .

debosky:



I stick strictly to washing deadi bodi. . . .it pays for my fast internet access and that's good enough for me.

PS - You've made a myriad of posts - a small minority of them made sense. No one supports the nonsense you're spewing in terms of the poverty levels in Nigeria.

invisible!:

My decision to stay was not borne out of ignorance, I was a very well read boy in my teens and had a complete grasp of world views, especially as it concerns racism. Those friends who left then are not doing better than me in any way, we usually compare notes now and then.
It is the ignorant who always runs, because of their ignorance of hidden opprtunities and a hope of an easy ride to wealth abroad.

OvieE:

@ AjanleKoko, debosky and cap28

Why are you still arguing with people who needs brain transplan. Psychiatrist would have be the best choice for invisible and buzugee but since its lacking in Nigeria, brain transplan will just do it. IBB and off and on strikes really do tremendous damage to their and blinded in one side. I stopped responding to their posts.

invisible lived somewhere in Illinois according to his earlier post. He's deceiving you guys just like the way he doesn't know the states of Nigeria. As for buzugee, that doesn't lived in Nigeria my gits tells me. On page 22, his statement about those who scavenge barbages shows his delusional. Who on earth will have millions in their accounts and still scavenge garbages when they can take half a million and a car for small business. Life is about progress not degrating yourself you know. Why should I continue to scavenge garbages with millions just sitting in bank account.

Like I said before for invisible and buzugee. You need help.

AjanleKoko:

That's just hogwash, man. You were a very well-read boy in your teens? You're telling us that you were able to take a conscious decision to stay back in Nigeria as a teen - come on, how realistic is that?

Supposing you actually did sef, you still did not have actual information did you? What racism world view did you base that decision on? Rosa Parks? Malcom X? E.R. Braithwaite? Since you didn't experience it yourself, your rational decision was clearly flawed, for the fact that you did not have enough information.

I still put it to you that you're just doing the Naija thing - telling stories to justify an absurd position you've taken. No wahala, na Internet argument, fire on

cap28:

like i said invisible suffers from delusions of grandeur its a coping mechanism, in nigeria everyone wants to be a big man, its the trickle down effect of the kleptocrat gangsters who run the country.  When the masses see how ruthless and callous their leaders are instead of challenging them by organised rebellion (like the ANC of south africa did) they imbibe this same behaviour and mete out this barbarism on each other.  

Earlier on in this thread i  referred to a tragic story in which a young destitute woman who lived under a bridge near sheraton hotel had been repeatedly r.aped by area boys until she eventually contracted hiv aids and died  - what was his chilling response: that "she got what she deserved because she was a harlot".

That should give you an insight into the ruthless and callous mindset of the average nigerian - is this a society that can progress? i think not - what is needed is a mao tse tsung type revolution, mass imprisonments and  mass executions of corrupt politicans, traitors and enemies of the state it is only when this will happen that we may just have a chance at surviving as a nation.
If this does not happen before long nigeria will tip over into total anarchy.

OvieE:


invisible and buzugee are not Nigerian so let their ignorant continue to show for everyone to see.

they are just a spoiled brats that let loss and starts infecting everyone with their uncured diseases.

cap28:

thanks bro, how are you doing?

invisible!:

we are not Nigerians yet we are defending naija while you who is naija is bringing your country down, well done o!

martinosi:

Nice to see you back Cap28, missed your insight,

ishit4body:

[size=18pt]Abeg close this topic. [b]Who cares if you regret or not? Wetin that one getto do with 120 million other Nigerians? LOL. Abeg, all these story na to boost your ego.[/size][/b]

OvieE:

@ AjanleKoko, debosky and cap28

Why are you still arguing with people who needs brain transplan. Psychiatrist would have be the best choice for invisible and buzugee but since its lacking in Nigeria, brain transplan will just do it. IBB and off and on strikes really do tremendous damage to their and blinded in one side. I stopped responding to their posts.

invisible lived somewhere in Illinois according to his earlier post. He's deceiving you guys just like the way he doesn't know the states of Nigeria. As for buzugee, that  doesn't lived in Nigeria my gits tells me. On page 22, his statement about those who scavenge barbages shows his delusional. Who on earth will have millions in their accounts and still scavenge garbages when they can take half a million and a car for small business. Life is about progress not degrating yourself you know. Why should I continue to scavenge garbages with millions just sitting in bank account.

Like I said before for invisible and buzugee. You need help.

invisible!:

This your post shows me you are a lazy person, physically and intellectually. Let me light a fuse under your chair with more facts, I bought my first land at 19 and my first car at 20. If that wont shake you, I dont know what else will. All teens are not the same and all humans will never be equal. I had a complete grasp about life abroad. My entire neighborhood then almost left, all my friends.
Enjoy yourself!

AjanleKoko:

I.e. the people in the diaspora definitely have it better than when they were in Nigeria, so they would not have it otherwise. I tend to lean towards their argument, though some people do take it to extreme.
As for the people in Naija (sorry Dora ), we fall into two broad categories: people who have never had the opportunity to live or work in another country, so they make assumptions based on their perception. 2nd category is people who have actually lived abroad, but did not have it good, therefore they also assume that no Nigerian is having it good abroad as well. That might be some kind of psychological justification for their perceived failure to succeed outside the country.
Unfortunately I don't seem to fall into any of the three categories so i have to sit on the fence for this one.