Ishilove:

Na Nnamdi Kanu talk am. They are going to harness y'all into the Biafran empire come 2020.


Guy I still dey suspect you. It can't be just coincidence

rusher14:


Nnamdi Kanu is a joker.

I've never taken him seriously.

I can see why you would think he's my alternate persona but no.

Nigeria is filled with quite a number of exposed people. Don't limit our views to one individual.

Ishilove:

Trevor-Roper said "African history is nothing but the gyrations of barbarous tribes in picturesque but insignificant parts of the globe" (the racist asshole), and are we not still behaving like barbarians, decades later? Is it not madness to be so greedy that you don't care that you are a second class citizen in the countries you are carrying the looted funds to?

Ishilove:

My brother leave Nairaland youths. The generation before ours failed us, just as we have failed the ones after us. What you're seeing now is the fallout of these successive failures.

Ishilove:
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That's the point. What are the causes of the perennial internecine conflicts that plague the continent? Like rusher14 pointed out, greed is a major factor. Like barbarians we are too greedy to fairly and evenly share the resources that cause these conflicts, too divided among ethnic lines and just too plain corrupt to harness these same resources for our own development.

Ishilove:

Ogbeni we are too hungry to care about achievement. Give us food first, achievement be damned

Vanhooijdonk:

Not until Nigerians travel abroad will they realize that life in the country can be so much better.. The rulers have destroyed and plundered the nation.
The leaders all travel abroad and have their children schooling in civilized nations, but refuse to replicate what they see.

nlPoster:
I doubt South Africans would enjoy staying anywhere else in (subsaharan) Africa besides their own country.

Too much difference.

DexterousOne:


Don't forget foreign influence too
That also plays it's own role in the destabilization of Africa

But it's not an excuse

Vanhooijdonk:

Nigeria got independence since 1960, their was no foreign influence in the state Nigeria finds itself today.

DexterousOne:



This is a comment from a position of ignorance

If you think there are no foreign actors in the scene, think again.

You might have gotten political independence (which btw is not complete )
But you are not yet free.

The resource rich countries of Africa have foreign multinationals stirring issues here and there

Only if you knew
But still
They use local collaborators.

Britain is to blame for a good number of our issues.

We could stave it off
But are we ready?
.remember Libya

Beautyaddy:


Yes, also Nigeria got its Independence from Britain too soon and not at the ripe age.

DexterousOne:



This is a comment from a position of ignorance

If you think there are no foreign actors in the scene, think again.

You might have gotten political independence (which btw is not complete )
But you are not yet free.

The resource rich countries of Africa have foreign multinationals stirring issues here and there

Only if you knew
But still
They use local collaborators.

Britain is to blame for a good number of our issues.

We could stave it off
But are we ready?
.remember Libya

LeSudAfricaine:
that building is being built in Sandton, Johannesburg.

miqos02:
you are giving excuses.

miqos02:
please stop giving this type of excuses, who developed Dubai? Whites or locals?

Vanhooijdonk:

Is it Britain that forced Nigerian politicians to loot $582 billions dollars since 1960 to live kings on earth

DexterousOne:


This is the other end of the stick
I'm not denying this fact
.But then

You cannot discount the effect of foreign influence

DexterousOne:


Actually it's European and American contractors

All UAE did was pay for them.

Just saying

DexterousOne:


You call these excuses?

LMAO

miqos02:


I stand on that statement

DexterousOne:


Most black south Africans live in townships

rusher14:


I know.

I was mighty surprised how a few black South African colleagues I knew were supporting the Netherlands at the world cup or was it the Olympics now? I forget.

The Dutch actually developed South Africa and it's the fallout of this we see today.

Sad, no contemporary African civilization has done similar.

I haven't been to Kigali but for now I perceive hype. I may be wrong though.

j3log:
@iron galaxy .in capetown at the moment from nigeria, and my impression is that south Africans are quite(very) unfriendly people.

Any nigerian coming here,don't expect the Nigerian hospitality we give to strangers esp foreigners (except you're probably of white skin)

South Africa atempts to market itself as a tourist destination ,but believe me alot of south Africans are mean and not welcoming especially if you're black african

IronGalaxy:
Firstly, not every white person in South Africa is of Dutch lineage, there are a lot of modern Afrikaners who are of French lineage who arrived as Huguenots and settled in what's is now called Franschoek, there are also British, Greek, Portuguese etc.

Secondly, if it's whites who developed South Africa what were natives doing then? Did they not do as much as lifting a brick? Did they not lay the rail tracks? Did they not build Fort hare university which has produced some of the most brilliant black minds? What about the Indians brought by the Dutch East India Company to work at the plantations? Did they not also add to the development of the country? I don't think you guys understand how SA was developed, to be honest.


Development is not exactly an event but it's forever ongoing, there are many things by way of development that's has progressed post 94, the apartheid government, for example, build a power plant to service their tiny population and after the fall of apartheid, electricity was available to everyone. The power problems we country face are due to the fact that infrastructure becomes obsolete and some of our power plants have sadly passed their sell-by date, and who's left to replace or upgrade that? The same Black govt you guys always look down upon but which, as I'm typing this two plants to power plants are being built and isn't that development?

And lastly, what you see in Kigali is not hype but commendable efforts of a country that has endured many years of war but is showing signs of progress, no excuses of white absence etc. You are merely not impressed by their efforts because you don't expect much from black people in general

j3log:
Most don't travel,so all they know is their country
There is much paranoia for security,so much so you cant adventure and explore the city.
With all the rumored insequrity in lagos, you can move around ,enjoy the local flavour and have a great time enjoying lagos.
Everyone tells you to be very cautious in capetown, you can't even interact with your host environment and have a genuine deep feel of the city ,you cant even enter public transport without glances left right center.

rusher14:


Your whole submission appears to be with some animosity.

I am aware of the Huguenots in South Africa. I actually dated one her surname was Nel.

South Africa is a multicultural country but we cannot over emphasize the influence of the Dutch in its development.

I wasnt writing a treatise on South African development.

For Rwanda, how many images from Rwanda has the average person seen?

There are so many western countries I've been to and ended up with the feeling that their reputation was also hype.

By the way, I'm actually in South Africa typing this.

IronGalaxy:
its not with animosity but rather annoyance in people on this forum always attributing development to one race, it's far more complex than that.

j3log:
@iron galaxy .in capetown at the moment from nigeria, and my impression is that south Africans are quite(very) unfriendly people.

Any nigerian coming here,don't expect the Nigerian hospitality we give to strangers esp foreigners (except you're probably of white skin)

South Africa atempts to market itself as a tourist destination ,but believe me, a lot of South Africans are mean and not welcoming especially if you're black african