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Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by nlPoster: 2:40am On Jan 03, 2020 |
You are welcome to your opinions, it's been nice engaging in this discussion. I see you came prepared to debate, which is a good thing. You might have been practising for a while. I trust we all learned something. If not, well it's a free world. I could return to the thread later, dunno. I do suspect you are not Yoruba, but if you insist you are, then I should take you at your word until proven otherwise. yes, I am tpiar, justaposed ids because I opened a thread with the other one. Sometimes the nairaland server limits topics, rather worrisome but it is what it is. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by nlPoster: 2:47am On Jan 03, 2020 |
Tell me if "OMO" (CHILD) is a loanword because its constituent parts has no obvious meaning to you. Check the meaning of noun, it's not different in English than it is in Yoruba. Describing body parts is not applicable to your argument because you keep bringing in unrelated words and issues that derail the discussion. It's like jumping everywhere without a solid base. If you say idi (buttocks) should be an indigenous word as opposed to a loan word, on what basis are you making your claim? Are you saying you dont believe Yorubas can come up with words of their own making in a scientifically acceptable context such as naming body parts? I did not say every Yoruba word can or should be broken into constituent parts, I said a test to determine the foreign-ness or otherwise of a word can be applied by breaking it into smaller units for analysis. Do you understand what I am saying? Dont just argue for argument's sake or because you were being hailed by your friends. Actually think about things. But, since you seem to be a typical nler, I am not surprised. The arguments always tend to be circular and restricted in scope. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by cbrass(m): 7:30am On Jan 03, 2020 |
y3mi: First of all it is called kootuojire and not kaarojire, many of you claim to know but still don't know. Does the religion some one picks distort his history... |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by cbrass(m): 7:39am On Jan 03, 2020 |
macof: Please visit Ile Ife, to have a balanced authentic history of Ogun/Okanbi... Yorubas are notorious of starting stories that never happened in other to spite other kings and towns especially during war. These stories when spread for too long is now accepted by descendants of the creators as history |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by Olu317(m): 7:47am On Jan 03, 2020 |
nlPoster: I concur slightly but at times,most of you did underestimated ancient Yoruba people because a lot of people thought Yoruba borrowed words largely from others while ignorantly ridiculed the Yoruba lexicon. There is no iota of doubt that some limited words are loaned word into Yoruba language while some developed at point in time alongside in history. However, Alubosa or abosa isn't loaned from Hausa lexicon into Yoruba lexicon because this is a word that came from Near East. Interestingly, Islam existed in Yoruba land before Hausa were indoctrinated to Arabic language . Thus, Albosa,Alibosa,Alubosa,Abosa is indigenous to Yoruba people through their migration to their present abode. Do you also know name like, ‘Dodo' is also a name in Near East from Ancient Semitic language known as dod? Dodmeans; beloved, in Semitic ! Did Yoruba also borrowed this word from Semitic language? Apart from Ancient Semitic people, The Arab dont use this name and so also Hausa people don't use this name either ! The Arabic name ‘dawud' and Hebrew's ḏā·w·yiḏ /dā·wiḏ dā·wîḏ/ ḏā·wiḏ /ḏā·wîḏ / dā·wîḏ- /daVid dāwiḏ dāwîḏ /ḏāwiḏ /ḏāwîḏ /dāwîḏ/- ḏāwyiḏ is also in Yoruba lexicon as dawaodu,Daodu, Dauda and most times, people interchange it with Odudawa! This name was anglicised as ‘David' through transliteration and translation? Horus(Egypt),Ooru/Oru (Yoruba), Ore ( ancient Hebrew) can actually developed alongside once the meaning is cognate.The last two are absolute cognate), while Horus is a godman in ancient Egypt. In the same vein Ra; Ram headed man(Egypt),era( Yoruba's name for ram or herds) can also developed alongside.In the same vein to bleed Yoruba(sheje) is also blood in some European languages such as French(sang ),Italian(sangue),Portuguesesangue). Did Yoruba loaned this word too? The point here is that don't underestimate Yoruba's glorious fit in the ancient era. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by Olu317(m): 10:11am On Jan 03, 2020 |
tpiar:I wonder if you actually post the root word and descriptive word of Ategun. While, I will do justiceto,Afefe is! Afe-fe ( that which is movement of atmospheric air). As far as I am concern with my knowledge on ancient inscription, Yoruba had written ideograms. Kindly don't compare Yoruba people's written language and subsahara. Please, answer these questions: 1.Can you show me any ethnic group Subsahara Africa that has nails inserted on Ivory? 2.Can you interprete what the Ivory in Ileife ,known as Opa Oranmiya? 3.Can you interprete Opa Ogun? 4.Can interpret the Eyes found in Ore grove ? 5. Can you interpret Bronze Sculpture of 12th century Ooni holding the horn of a ram on his hand? Kindly compare the meaning with Subsahara ethnic Africans, Kemt(Egypt), Amun(Amon) alongside Near East to see clearer! I rest my case |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by Olu317(m): 10:18am On Jan 03, 2020 |
cbrass:Na wa oooo! Omo Kaaro O jire has become Kootu ojire? What dialect is that? |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by TAO11(f): 10:44am On Jan 03, 2020 |
nlPoster: I am presenting factual information before you not my opinion or anyone else's. And you're very funny about a lot of things here like me coming prepared for you, having been practicing, or even not being Yoruba. Lol. I guess someone found me a new cultural identity ... I can't wait to hear from you, sir, what my latest cultural identity is. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by nlPoster: 11:04am On Jan 03, 2020 |
TAO11: I did not say I had anything to do with your preparations. I said you came prepared to debate. Nothing to do with me. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by TAO11(f): 11:12am On Jan 03, 2020 |
nlPoster: You keep making up strange grammatical and linguistic rules as you go. You had made up a grammatical and linguistic rule saying: "One easy way to guess which words are recent and which are not likely to be loaned are break it down into it's constituent parts and see if it still has a meaning." But once your rule became subjected to the test with certain words (since your rule plainly says "... words ..."), then suddenly comes the interesting u-turn and exception --- namely: BoDy PaRtS iS nOt ApPlIcAbLe So, to refresh your mind again, I did not come up with the linguistic rule or any such argument ---- you did. My examples of the words "OJU", "IMU", etc. are simply to put your rule to the test, to see how well your made up linguistic rule will fare. And it did pretty badly. So, stop putting forward the weird impression that I came up with the grammatical rule or similar claims, e.g. where you wrote: "If you say idi (buttocks) should be an indigenous word as opposed to a loan word, on what basis are you making your claim? Are you saying you dont believe Yorubas can come up with words of their own making in a scientifically acceptable context such as naming body parts". No I didn't come up with any such rules or claims, you did. And your strange grammatical rule was simply been put to test with examples of Yoruba words. Do not attempt to disingenuously spin the narrative on me, just because your grammatical rule failed the test, by presenting an untrue imagery to the untrained reader. Moreover, you claim not to have said that your grammatical rule is general. Well, I must add that you also, aforetime, did not warn about any exceptions. In such situations, it is only natural that a general understanding holds sway, until you come out to clarify after been called out. And such clarification cannot possibly be spun to be the fault of others. You must be willing to take responsibility. In all, your eventual clarification still doesn't help nothing as there are hundreds upon thousands of Yoruba words (that aren't body parts ) which will similarly render your strange linguistic rule nonsensical. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by TAO11(f): 11:15am On Jan 03, 2020 |
nlPoster: That you feel that way (i.e. that I came prepared) doesn't make it true. It's my usual style to be consistent with whatever I know to be truth or fact, etc. If you knew anything about my comments on nairaland, then you probably may have realized how wrong you are on that assumption. I'm not prepared for you about nothing. I'm just doing my thing effortlessly. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by Olu317(m): 11:21am On Jan 03, 2020 |
TAO11:100% accurate that Sanmo is loaned from Arabic lexicon. The indigenous word for Orú (sun) is derived from ọrún(sky) which is interwoven with Orù(heat), conveying relationship of the place of origin,sky and heat that emanates from it. The ideology behind Yoruba names and words is separated through diacritics, which makes Yoruba language to be extremely descriptive when conveying information about a thing, place or name etc. Secondly, Iso is as you affirm it to be in Yoruba's lexicon,which has always been my position that the way English language arrived, is the same way Yoruba language arrived earlier in this part of the world with knowledge of God in Ifaodu. So, finding true cognate and false cognate in Edo land, Iboland,Nupeland, Igala land,Hausa land etc showed a contact existed while Yoruba language always come forth as been interchangeable with aboriginals that Ifaodu is well rooted or partly rooted.This is foundation of sppken words of Yoruba finding itself a across some places. I notice many false cognate between Ibo and Yoruba language but I will share one today.For instance: Ibo's ‘Ishi'/eshi' is (tomorrow) Yoruba's, ẹshi (previous year, last season etc). It is obvious, that intermingling established loaned words across board.While certain words couldn't be adopted and stays within the users of such lexicon. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by Davigle(m): 11:29am On Jan 03, 2020 |
I'd like to correct a little mistake on the op post that there's no gobiri tribe in borno. I believe that your referring to the kanuri tribe in borno. the gobiri/gobobiri tribe are a Hausa speaking tribe in kano state. 1 Like |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by nlPoster: 11:36am On Jan 03, 2020 |
macof: You're Yoruba and you dont know omonoba means child or descendants of the Oba (referring to royal lineage possibly from the Yoruba side)? Ie people of the Oba. Omo which translates as Umu in eastoid languages? Can you explain how Ba means shine. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by cbrass(m): 12:13pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
Olu317:If i tell you I am not some one you can argue with, I know what I am saying. The original pronunciation is Kootu and not Kaaro.. Eku Aro is the right pronunciation and not Ekaaro. These were bastardization of Yoruba words. Why did you think the Portuguese called us the *Ku* people. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by TAO11(f): 12:17pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
Olu317: Good and deep analysis. I especially love the part about "Eshi" (i.e. Previous Year or Previous Time) because I have an Ijebu connection. The word "Eshi" brought me some nostalgic memories about my grandma and other things. It gave me goosebumps . Many previously widespread ancient Yoruba words which are now generally lost to many people are still preserved in the Ijebu dialect. Thanks to the diverse nature of the Yoruba language. But I must add that the diacritics for the "E" in the Yoruba word "Eshi" is NOT as the "E" in the word "Ebi" (family); but rather as the "E" in the word "Egun" (curse). In other words, there should be no dot under the letter "E". Nisai , please come and bear me witness on this. Lol. In sum, your general diacritics (top diacritics especially) is usually inaccurate. And I do not say this with an iota of pride, or to demean you ---- just for learning sake. For example: The (top) diacritics for "SUN" is NOT "re, mi" ---- that is, "ORÚN" (no apparent meaning from the Yoruba lexicon) ---- as you've indicated here. Rather, it is "do, do" ---- that is, "ÒRÙN". Also, the (top) diacritic for "SKY" is also NOT "re, mi" ---- that is, "ỌRÚN" (meaning: "Five Days Time" ) ---- as you've indicated here. Rather, it is "do, re" ---- that is, "Ọ̀RUN" Similarly, the (top) diacritic for "HEAT" is NOT "re, do" --- that is, "ORÙ (the name of a town in Yorubaland) ---- as you've indicated here. Rather, it is "re, re" ---- that is, "ORU" ---- with no apparent diacritics at all. Lastly, the diacritic for "ESHI" is "do, mi" ---- that is, "ÈSHÍ". And with a more standardized spelling becomes: "ÈṢÍ". Cheers! 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by cbrass(m): 12:28pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
TAO11:You are very right, it was the Elepe and Akarigbo of Remo.. In fact The ancestral crown of Akarigbo of Remo was sieZed by the Ooni... The crown later found it self at the British museum. Don't mind all those trying to distort history |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by TAO11(f): 12:35pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
cbrass: Olu317, Yes "Kootu-Ojire is also correct. But what I often have issues with regarding discourse like this is the oft-repeated dichotomous idea and impression that one must be false because the other is true. No! Why can't both be true? There isn't one Yoruba language afterall. There is a variety of the Yoruba language. They are called dialects. All legitimate. "Kaaro-Ojire" is also correct and widely used among diverse Yoruba subgroups. And "KAARO" is not a "bastardization" bro. Elisions and contractions are essential and natural parts of All SPOKEN languages. The technical Yoruba term in academia is "ÌPAJẸ Ọ̀RỌ̀". It is perfectly legit Yoruba to SPEAK (or even write) of the "KING's WIFE" as "AYABA". Cheers! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by cbrass(m): 12:43pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
TAO11: Well maybe I was too hash and thanks for the correction on that 1 Like |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by nlPoster: 12:50pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
cbrass: The Portuguese never called Yorubas ku people. Some Yorubas were referred to as Eku due to their greeting patterns which extensively say aku. Ku means die. Eku is a greeting which sounds like you die but it actually means are you enjoying, or enjoy. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by nlPoster: 12:51pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
TAO11: King's wife is Olori. Ayaba refers to a biblical context. What exactly are you folks doing that you need nairaland for? Who is your misinformation directed at, I mean which country or countries nationals? |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by y3mi(m): 1:10pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
cbrass:It's enough, stop trying to appear knowledgeable on these topics when it's clearly you are not. The more you keep trying to, the more you appear ignorant and perhaps mischievous. Dissemination of knowledge is an intellectual descipline owed to historical posterity not the reckless presumptions you keep culling from the most reachable source(s) available to you, unfortunately they constitute the most, but are generally run-of-the-mill, cheap imitations of the real masters who are a trio of combinations, while I leave you to go figure that out, let me school you a bit my brother from the Twon-Brass people of the Nembe kingdom, do you know that Eledumaré and Olodumaré are one and the same in meaning as both refers to the poly/heno-theistic God name of the 1 Like |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by TAO11(f): 1:15pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
cbrass: Yes, I was right about the royal titles of the OBAs involved. Thank you for also confirming that. I just found a relevant page from Professor R. C. C. Law's "The Heritage of Oduduwa: Traditional History and Political Propaganda among the Yoruba". Published in The Journal of African History, Vol. 14, No. 2 (1973). Quoting him from the last lines of page 210, he writes: "In some of the derivative kingdoms, the dynastic link with Ile Ife was given institutional expression, in the rituals accompanying the installation of their kings. For example, when a new Alafin, or king of Oyo was installed, the sword which is believed to have belonged to Oranyan, the son of Oduduwa who founded the Oyo dynasty, was sent to Ile Ife for reconsecration before being used in the ceremony. At Benin, parts of the bodies of the deceased kings were sent to Ile Ife for burial. The principal importance of the dynastic link with Ile Ife lay in the fact that descent from a son or grandson of Oduduwa was considered necessary to validate a king's claim to the right to wear an ade, or crown with a beaded fringe. In 1903 this principle was given official recognition by the British authorities, who brought the Oni, or king, of Ife to Lagos to give judgement on the claim of the Elepe of Sagamu, a minor Ijebu ruler, to wear an ade: the Oni gave a list of twenty-one kings with the right to wear ade, not including the Elepe." Refer to pp. 210-211. So, it wasn't the Olu-Epe of Epe (in today's Lagos State) contrary to what I had in mind. It was actually the Elepe of Epe in Sagamu (in today's Ogun State). And it was between him and the Akarigbo of Remoland (which includes Shagamu itself) when the Akarigbo challenged him that he was not entitled to wear a beaded crown of the type deriving from Ife. It turns out that the Akarigbo was right as evidenced by the judgement of the Ooni from his list of the twenty-one legitimate kings which of course included the Akarigbo. So, the judgement was not against the Akarigbo. Keep up the good work. Cheers! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by TAO11(f): 1:21pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
nlPoster: Calm down. Olori is a title for the king's wife. My point which you missed is about: If you want to translate the words "KING'S WIFE" word-for-word into Yoruba. And surely a translation is "AYA OBA" which in spoken Yoruba contracts to "AYABA". Elisions and contractions are legitimate elements of spoken language. And "KAARO" (or EKAARO" ) is not a bastardization. It is perfectly legitimate, just as "KU ARO" (or "EKU ARO" ). |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by TAO11(f): 1:24pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
y3mi: Thank you oo |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by tpiar: 1:25pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
TAO11: Like I said, Olori is king's wife. Ayaba is used for biblical contexts. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by TAO11(f): 1:43pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
tpiar: Smiles. Thanks for merely been repititive without any argument, evidence, proof, or reason to butress your claim. Cheers! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by Olu317(m): 4:53pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
TAO11:Yoruba's Kutu is also shared lexicon with Ancient Egypt. Perhaps, loaned into Yoruba language. This is because, the ancient Egypt's,‘Kut', is transliterate and translated as ‘sunrise' in English language and Yoruba's ‘Kutu' is mostly translated as,‘ morning' or ‘ rise of day light.' At times, to convey how early the period is,Yoruba say, kutu+kutu{ very early in the morning} The reason I digress a bit about Kutu is that, Yoruba says, Aro kutu or Aro kutu+kutu. I find it shocking because of the use of two synonym. Aro is early morning so also is Kutu is also early morning. You can get my grip on this from, ‘Ecology of Language by Einar Haugen', to understand my point . So,also if you can get more knowledge on Ancient Semitic language, then you will see my position on the ancient speakers of Yoruba language and place of origin. 1 Like |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by nlPoster: 4:57pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
TAO11: Reduce your overly sentimental postings, it's not necessary. Excessive use of emoticons, using words like "remain calm", "smiles", "cheers", etc during serious discussions, is silly. You seem excitable, perhaps that's your nature. Are you upset? I know Nigerians generally do not like it when they are not flattered. Also, are you liking and sharing your posts as another id or someone is on standby to do that? |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by nlPoster: 5:03pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
Olu317: Early morning is Aaro, not aro. Aro is mental illness and is not a Yoruba word. Seriously, these are basic Yoruba semantics, why is it you discuss Yoruba language on many threads but seem to be unaware of some simplest things? Just wondering, could you give a clue? |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by nlPoster: 5:06pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
In addition (@ discussion) Eku is a Yoruba greeting which when transliterated, could be mistaken to mean you die, but that's not it's actual meaning. It could also be a derivative of the word Ekun referring to leopard, if we're looking at possible sources of the expression. This is not a debate about loan or root words please. |
Re: 12 True Facts You Have Never Heard About The Yoruba Nation by cbrass(m): 5:08pm On Jan 03, 2020 |
nlPoster: Where do you people read your own history from sef... so Mr what were we called... Aku ko Akpu ni... Who doesn't know the meaning of ku 1 Like |
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