midnighter:


If you read your post back you will see that the way you answered me was too flippant and insincere to warrant any serious response. So we have reached the end of the truncated road.

Bye!

midnighter:


You totally ignored the rest of the passage that I posted and ended up repeating yourself and going off the point, which I notice you have a habit of doing when the conversation is not going your way.

You are totally unserious lol tisbah aala khair ya ukhti Better put your own education to good use and learn to read before responding!

adeniyi65:
This looks like philosophical class to me.from my experience combine with all i have read so far from this thread,I think Christianity has produce more atheists than any other religion in the globe.

k4kenny:


O only responded to what was worth responding to. The rest was total hogwash formulated by men of ancient times. Majority of your faith is not based in what Jesus (PBUH) said, rather it's what the early church have decided to brainwash people with. It's no wonder that Christianity is the fastest depreciating religion(Google it), the same Europeans that enslaved our ancestors' minds with cockandbull stories are leaving Christianity in their masses.

Once again, use your mind. It's a gift we must put to good use.

Thanks for the good wishes

k4kenny:


O only responded to what was worth responding to. The rest was total hogwash formulated by men of ancient times. Majority of your faith is not based in what Jesus (PBUH) said, rather it's what the early church have decided to brainwash people with. It's no wonder that Christianity is the fastest depreciating religion(Google it), the same Europeans that enslaved our ancestors' minds with cockandbull stories are leaving Christianity in their masses.

Once again, use your mind. It's a gift we must put to good use.

Thanks for the good wishes

k4kenny:


An atheist actually a very similar quote. He said 'the bible has made more people atheists than any book written by Darwin'.

k4kenny:


An atheist actually a very similar quote. He said 'the bible has made more people atheists than any book written by Darwin'.

Daejoyoung:

That's not necessarily a bad thing sometimes in my opinion. l am not an atheist neither do l support atheism, but l'll prefer one reads the bible and become an atheist who follows a lot of the teachings of jesus, than for one to read the bible and become a religious fanatic who doesn't even seek to understand the teachings of jesus.
Both are not the best options in my opinion, but l prefer the former to the latter.

midnighter:


Lol! As if the Qur'an wasnt written on bits of animal skin and leaves and some of it wasnt totally discarded years after the Prophet's saww death Dont make me laugh babe. Youre the one who has been enslaved and you dont even care to realise it.

Bye!

DeepSight:


OK - Gentleman's code: I apologize if I came across that way.
Please accept.

Its just what you said wondering how the word is terrible. Surely you have read or watched some history, and surely you have watched the news.
No vex, I really am asking these questions from a point of view of sincerity.

PS: Have a look at my old topics on this forum. You will see I am anything but flippant.

k4kenny:


An atheist actually a very similar quote. He said 'the bible has made more people atheists than any book written by Darwin'.

1StopRudeness:


You are quite resilient...:I’ve been it at for mores over 3days.....your husband or boyfriend must be someone that will willingly concede defeat....cos u are clearly someone that will never let go of a matter

englishmart:
1.Jesus is the only way to God, John 14:6
This invariably means those who don't believe in Jesus have no business in heaven.
Christians worldwide have an estimated population of 2.4billion people
Islam records an estimate of 1.9 billion adherents, Hindu has an estimated 1.1bn adherents. The remaining world's population have their own beliefs which includes atheism.
If Jesus is the only way to God, what happens to those who don't believe in him? Hell? Well, the Bible suggests so.

2. There are a lot of complications and contradictory remarks in the Bible- a verse says don't drink, another says "Drink for your stomach sake", or "Do not drink wherein excess."
Malachi 3:10 a famous Bible verse on tithing speaks about bringing your tithe to the storehouse (church, maybe)
Deuteronomy 14:22-26 says otherwise, it says "you should drink and be merry with your tithe". I'm seriously beginning to doubt the credibility of the Bible. Maybe the translators' fault or God told writers different stories on the same issue. Read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's account of Jesus and see real contradictions.

3. Does God answer prayers? Well, I'm not really sure about that. Someone might be suffering from malaria, the person takes drugs and still prays, the drugs work, but the person thanks God. Or a successful surgical operation, instead of thanking the doctor, they thank God. Some illnesses that would have been treated led to deaths because a certain congregation who were supposed to take the ill persons to the hospital, circled around praying. Faith without work isn't it still dead?
I remember when I had stomach ulcer, it was really terrible, I prayed and made several promises to God that if He took away the ulcer, I'd drink no more alcohol and will be more devout in worshipping Him. That didn't solve anything though, I stopped drinking and took to taking my drugs more seriously. Weeks later, I was well. I returned to drinking and after a few months, the ulcer resurfaced. That was when I realized I really needed to quit drinking. Prayers wouldn't have solved that issue.
I spent 80% of 2019 at home because of my misgivings about God's existence.
I really wish I could be convinced about God's existence because I'm not even happy to be away from Church because of the views of friends and family.

4. Children of God, or so called children of God tend to suffer more tribulations, hard times and desperate moments, a lot of them scream "Vanity upon Vanity" when secular people live in luxury or spend extravagantly. God tends to turn his back on those who worship Him especially when they need Him most.
The 1933 Holocaust and mass murder of Jews to the tone of 6m was a clear indication that God turns His eyes against His people
Repulsive comments are highly welcome

midnighter:


Lol the discussion is interesting, thats all Anyway you should tell that to these one who are arguing with me smh

1StopRudeness:


I don’t argue with atheist anymore.... I believe they are necessary....their questioning and doubt will help challenge christaindom and Muslimdom and with time help remove the human-constructed, selfish part of worshipping and honoring God....

China has already started making moves to adjust the Bible and Quran thus avoid banning it so as to reflect more tolerant doctrines over time

the truth is religion which is man made has messed up faith in God..we so called religious people are even found displaying unholy and dis-speakable acts....we have used “God is loving and will forgive” to erase the need for total consecration and holiness which the people of the world should know us for...we just ritually go to church and raise “holy”hands..there’s really no difference btw us and them...in some weird occasions... they are even better than us

...however, God has always been clear. In the book of Isaiah he said that there will come a time no one will force his fellow man to come and meet God, cos we would know in our hearts that he is God and we will be his people.....long before all this religion people just knew there was something greater than them in the universe....I believe that these period that people are becoming less interested in religion, questioning everything is kinda expected and good as it will usher in the phase God talked about in Isaiah ..

midnighter:


This is the problem. I asked you in what way, I mean using what indices are you describing the entire planet as being "terrible".

Watching the news is not the point. You would be indignant at the behaviour of foreign news outlets who insist on painting a bleak picture of Africa. Unfortunate-looking children with distended bellies and flies crawling all over their eyeballs and mouths. My, my, isnt that continent a "terrible" place?

At least you tried a little by mentioning history. At some point, the majority of people in Western Europe were hapless, illiterate peasants eking out some meagre existence riddled with dirt and disease and at another, a golden age of enlightenment in science and medicine swept over the Islamic world. Now, what does Egypt look like today? How does Germany look?

Human experience and endeavour is too vast and varied for you to think you could get away with labelling the whole thing "terrible" and even have the guts to become indignant when somebody asks you to justify it.

You will notice that I quoted that part of your post below your exposition on the "ugliness" of existence, because I am hinting at a larger point. Namely, is it not small-minded to consider the "cesspit of misery" only in today's terms?

I mean I actually want to know, combined with your assertion that God owes us an apology for putting us through this "sadistic experiment", what makes you think that people's lives will always be miserable, all the time when that is so obviously not the case.

Apparently considering the issue holistically makes me a child smh

midnighter:

. . . but being somebody who refuses to think critically about an issue or consider an alternative point of view.

DeepSight:


1. Lets start with death and disease.

With respect to death, does it not concern you just a litte that at some date in the not too far future, everyone you love will simply simply disappear - to a place and realm you cannot say for sure?

2. Fair enough, although you surely agree there is sufficient distress in the world to raise questions about the motives of the creator.

3. Last I checked, people still suffer death and disease in Egypt and Germany.

4. Last I checked, all human beings die - regardless of how"vast and varied" their experiences are.

5. Not sure I understand this, as my reference to history should make it clear I am not speaking about just "today's terms."

6. I didnt suggest things will always remain the same. Change is constant.

7. Once again my apologies for that jibe. I am over 40 and I dont know anyone of my generation who hasnt seen enough to understand how dark the world is.

DeepSight:


How much critical thought have you put into your Christian faith, if I may ask. I would be specifically interested in any rational explanation of the following ideas -

1. The Trinity (if you believe it)
2. The doctrine of salvation by the sacrificial death of Jesus of Nazareth (if you believe it).

Secondly your last words above mentioned willingness to consider an alternative point of view. I would be very interested to know just how willing you are to consider alternate points of view yourself, thank you.

DeepSight:


How much critical thought have you put into your Christian faith, if I may ask. I would be specifically interested in any rational explanation of the following ideas -

1. The Trinity (if you believe it)
2. The doctrine of salvation by the sacrificial death of Jesus of Nazareth (if you believe it).

Secondly your last words above mentioned willingness to consider an alternative point of view. I would be very interested to know just how willing you are to consider alternate points of view yourself, thank you.

healthserve:



When people don't read/learn they don't improve/awaken and become stuck in a lot of misconceptions. Enjoy your ignorance my dear

midnighter:


You totally ignored the rest of the passage that I posted and ended up repeating yourself and going off the point, which I notice you have a habit of doing when the conversation is not going your way.

You are totally unserious lol tisbah aala khair ya ukhti Better put your own education to good use and learn to read before responding!

Xbee007:

Going by your logic, God must have a creator too.

DeepSight:


The Bible is indeed corrupt, but my dear, so is the Quoran. There's a lot of negative energy in the Quoran. And it manifests itself in today's terrorism.

khia:


Jew is only a religion not a people.

Daejoyoung:

This verse from the quran is enough evidence to make a person like me become an atheist. Why should such a verse be in the quran?





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O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity.
Surah 33v53

midnighter:


Lol! As if the Qur'an wasnt written on bits of animal skin and leaves and some of it wasnt totally discarded years after the Prophet's saww death Dont make me laugh babe. Youre the one who has been enslaved and you dont even care to realise it.

Bye!

k4kenny:


What's wrong with the verse? One of the many instructions in the Qur'an.

k4kenny:


No, it was fully memorised by thousands of people before it was put in book form. Today we have millions of people worldwide who have fully memorised the Qur'an IN ARABIC.

midnighter:


And where has that recitation of an ancient text in an ancient language that takes years of study to understand fully gotten you people?

Gosh! Im not even supposed to be responding to this because yet again, youve gone outside of the point but the thing is sounding very funny.

Do you understand Qur'anic Arabic What exactly is the essence of millions of people "memorising" Arabic when they cant speak it?

predatorX:


If a wall is cracked and your solution is to paste another layer of plaster over it, that does not mean that the crack is gone. Changing churches does not solve the Op's underlying reservations about the bible.
I dare say, you may not even need religion to understand that a "God" exists. On the contrary, the past recorded accounts of events attributed to religion most definitely leads to a conclusion that a GOD like nothing in the holy books exists. I cannot understand a god who would sanction the numerous wars, genocides and rapes of the "enemies of Isra-el", or support the enemies of the Isra-elis when the tables are turned, and allow "his own people" to be raped and pilloried.

Help explain this!!!