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| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by AntiChristian: 6:53pm On Jan 04, 2020 |
Viciheaka:Tell me one message Christ preached that you've preached? |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by Nobody: 7:26pm On Jan 04, 2020 |
AntiChristian:Blessed are they that hunger and thirst for they shall be filled Seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and everything shall be added into you |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by AntiChristian: 7:31pm On Jan 04, 2020 |
Viciheaka: is this all you preach? Have you ever told anyone to fulfill the commandments before? |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by Nobody: 8:11pm On Jan 04, 2020 |
AntiChristian: If you're not a slowpoke, how do you think someone could "SEEK THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS" without fulfilling the commandments of God? Luke 18:18-20  |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by AntiChristian: 9:06pm On Jan 04, 2020 |
Maximus69:let the person I refer to answer. An elder is not supposed to be this forward! |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by alfasexy: 9:35pm On Jan 04, 2020 |
How to keep Africans busy with nonsense. |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by Nobody: 11:27pm On Jan 04, 2020 |
AntiChristian: This is social media Sir! You're free to post whatever comes to your mind, the same thing applies to other social media users, anyone can respond as long as they know one thing or the other about the subject of discuss! So it's not about one or two persons, otherwise you could have gone to meet them PRIVATELY in their homes as Jehovah's Witnesses always do!  |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by Nobody: 11:28pm On Jan 04, 2020 |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by Nobody: 7:48am On Jan 05, 2020 |
AntiChristian:is not all I preach nah I also tell people about the commandments of which the greatest is love I love you Mr antichristian |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by sulasa07(m): 11:34am On Jan 05, 2020 |
Viciheaka:Audio love. 1 Like
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| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by Nobody: 2:53pm On Jan 05, 2020 |
[quote author=sulasa07 post=85519185] Audio love.[/quot love is in the air Happy new year my bro |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by Janosky: 1:25am On May 12, 2020 |
AntiChristian: Trinitarians placed the wrath of God in Revelations 22:18-19 on themselves for insertion of FRAUD into the holy Bible... |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by fortran12: 4:17am On May 12, 2020 |
Janosky: Translate what the original language says and you get your answer. If all the translations mean the same thing based on the context, do the words then matter? |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by Janosky: 8:27am On Aug 20, 2020 |
fortran12: Open 1 John 5:7 in the KJV Bible and then other translations. See the notorious fraud below: King James Bible For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. New International Version For there are three that testify: New Living Translation So we have these three witnesses— English Standard Version For there are three that testify: Berean Study Bible For there are three that testify: Berean Literal Bible For there are three bearing testimony: New American Standard Bible For there are three that testify: Clarke's Commentary on the Bible says it is likely this verse is not genuine The KJV version "bear record in heaven, the Father, the word and the holy ghost" is radically different from other Bible translations. It is a FRAUD , the evidence abounds. Bros Fortran, No dey DECEIVE yourself  |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by AntiChristian: 9:24am On Aug 20, 2020 |
Janosky: Advocatejare, contractkiller come and defend this o! |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by advocatejare(m): 10:15am On Aug 20, 2020 |
AntiChristian: If I were you, I'll be bothered about the many versions of the so called perfectly written Quran without human inputs, how the original manuscripts was destroyed. That means all the current Quran you have in the world today are fake because Usman destroyed all the other Qirats and gave you only one Qirat but 300 Years after, Ibn Mujahid synthesized the new 7 Qirats from nowhere and that's the source of the Quran you're reading today. After the compilation they burnt other manuscripts of the Quran which was against what Mohammed said, Mohammed said the Quran was revealed to him in 7 different dialects but after Uthman and Zayd were done with their fabrications they burnt all the other Quranic manuscripts including the other dialects of revelation. The instructions to burn the other manuscripts was never given by Muhammad before he died nor by Allah, Zayd and Uthman only acted on their own accounts, and they burnt the evidence to cover up their fabrications and gave the Muslim world the revised edition of the Quran. But the Shia were angry because they knew the Quran had been corrupted. The Muslims continue to read Uthmanic codex of the Quran until 934 AD when ibn Mujahid read that Muhammad actually said he received the Quran in 7 different dialects but since Uthman and Zayd had burnt the other dialects up, Ibn Mujahid then created his own 7 dialects of the Quran which are Nafi; Ibn Kathir; Ibn 'Amir; Abu Amr; Asim, Hafs; Hamzah; al-Kisai. In 1924 in Cairo Egypt, The Hafs manuscript was edited into the Quran you have today. Hence today's Quran is not the same as the one Mohammed received, it's not the same as the one Uthman and Zayd fabricated, it's a different one entirely.
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| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by Emusan(m): 1:55pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
AntiChristian: The person you quoted was on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/6032299/johannine-comma-1-john-5 but couldn't refute the evidences put forth. |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by Emusan(m): 2:18pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
Janosky: Hypocrite and liar JWs This was Adam Clarke's conclusion Though a conscientious believer in the doctrine of the ever blessed, holy, and undivided Trinity, and in the proper and essential Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, which doctrines I have defended by many, and even new, arguments in the course of this work, I cannot help doubting the authenticity of the text in question; and, for farther particulars, refer to the observations at the end of this chapter. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/clarke/1_john/5.htm The funny thing about you hypocrite is that among those who totally rejected the insertion of 1 John 5:7 into Bible are TRINITARIANS. In his commentaries on the same 1 John 5:21 Clarke says "And it is through this revelation of Jesus that we know the ever blessed and glorious Trinity; and the Trinity, Father, Word, and Holy Ghost, in the eternal, undivided unity of the ineffable Godhead." @underlined -- We can see how Clarke used the same wordings as the COMMA does, which means Clarke didn't totally reject 1 John 5:7 |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by SonOfALion: 8:50pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
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| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by Janosky: 11:06pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
SonOfALion: Bros,if your claim is true, why would Trinitarian believers (called Sabellenians) remove the proof to support them beliefs? Bros, your claim is FALSE Would you erase any evidence that support your cause you are fighting for ? |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by Janosky: 11:10pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
Janosky: UCG.org / Bible Study Tools / Booklets / Is God a Trinity? / A Spurious Reference to the Trinity Added in 1... A Spurious Reference to the Trinity Added in 1 John 5 verses 7-8 Posted on Jul 22, 2011 Some Bible translators of past centuries were so zealous to find support for their belief in the Trinity in the Scriptures that they literally added it. A case in point is 1 John 5:7-8. Most Bible commentaries that mention this addition tell us that it is a spurious comment added to the biblical text. It reads in the King James Version, also known as the Authorized Version: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.” The words in italics are simply not a part of the generally accepted New Testament manuscripts. Regrettably, in this particular passage some other versions read essentially the same. Most Bible commentaries that mention this addition tell us that it is a spurious comment added to the biblical text. Consider the words of The New Bible Commentary: Revised: “Notice that AV [the Authorized Version] includes additional material at this point. But the words are clearly a gloss [an added note] and are rightly excluded by RSV [the Revised Standard Version] even from its margins” (1970, p. 1269). In the New Revised Standard Version, 1 John 5:7-8 correctly and more concisely reads, “There are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three agree.” John personifies the three elements here as providing testimony, just as Solomon personified wisdom in the book of Proverbs. Many other more recent Bible versions likewise recognize the spurious added text and omit it, including the New International Version, American Standard Version and New American Standard Bible, English Standard Version, New English Bible and Revised English Bible, New American Bible, Jerusalem Bible and New Jerusalem Bible, Good News Bible, New Living Translation, Holman Christian Standard Bible, Bible in Basic English and the Twentieth Century New Testament. “[b]The textual evidence is against 1 John 5:7,” explains Dr. Neil Lightfoot, a New Testament professor. “Of all the Greek manuscripts, only two contain it. These two manuscripts are of very late dates, one from the fourteenth or fifteenth century and the other from the sixteenth century. Two other manuscripts have this verse written in the margin. All four manuscripts show that this verse was apparently translated from a late form of the Latin Vulgate” (How We Got the Bible, 2003, pp. 100-101). The Expositor’s Bible Commentary also dismisses the King James and New King James Versions’ additions in 1 John 5:7-8 as “obviously a late gloss with no merit” (Glenn Barker, Vol. 12, 1981, p. 353). Peake’s Commentary on the Bible is very incisive in its comments as well: “The famous interpolation after ‘three witnesses’ is not printed in RSV and rightly [so] . . . No respectable Greek [manuscript] contains it. Appearing first in a late 4th century Latin text, it entered the Vulgate [the 5th-century Latin version, which became the common medieval translation] and finally NT [New Testament] of Erasmus [who produced newly collated Greek texts and a new Latin version in the 16th century]” (p. 1038). The Big Book of Bible Difficulties tells us: “This verse has virtually no support among the early Greek manuscripts . . . Its appearance in late Greek manuscripts is based on the fact that Erasmus was placed under ecclesiastical pressure to include it in his Greek NT of 1522, having omitted it in his two earlier editions of 1516 and 1519 because he could not find any Greek manuscripts which contained it” (Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe, 2008, pp. 540-541). Theology professors Anthony and Richard Hanson, in their book Reasonable Belief: A Survey of the Christian Faith, explain the unwarranted addition to the text this way: “It was added by some enterprising person or persons in the ancient Church who felt that the New Testament was sadly deficient in direct witness to the kind of doctrine of the Trinity which he favoured and who determined to remedy that defect … It is a waste of time to attempt to read Trinitarian doctrine directly off the pages of the New Testament” (1980, p. 171). Still, even the added wording does not by itself proclaim the Trinity doctrine. The addition, illegitimate though it is, merely presents Father, Word and Holy Spirit as witnesses. This says nothing about the personhood of all three since verse 7 shows inanimate water and blood serving as such. Again, the word Trinity did not come into common use as a religious term until after the Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325, several centuries after the last books of the New Testament were complete. It is not a biblical concept. |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by SonOfALion: 7:35am On Aug 21, 2020 |
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| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by fortran12: 9:48am On Aug 21, 2020 |
Janosky:its been answered already by SonOfALion 1 Like |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by fortran12: 9:53am On Aug 21, 2020 |
AntiChristian:The commandments were not given to be fulfilled cos u cnt. It was to show your unworthiness |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by SonOfALion: 10:22am On Aug 21, 2020 |
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| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by AntiChristian: 11:31am On Aug 21, 2020 |
advocatejare: Is this what you were asked? No wonder you keep failing! |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by AntiChristian: 12:05pm On Aug 21, 2020 |
fortran12: Don't go there. Even Jesus told someone to obey the commandment. Are you saying Jesus was mistaken here telling someone to obey the commandments? The man was able to fulfil the commandment then Jesus gave him more tasks... From Luke 18:18-22 and Matthew 19:16-22 A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone. You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not bear false witness, honor your father and mother.’” 21“All these have I kept from my youth,” he said. 22On hearing this, Jesus told him, “You still lack one thing: Sell everything you own and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.”… Matt. 19:16-22, “And behold, one came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; 19 Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by AntiChristian: 12:21pm On Aug 21, 2020 |
fortran12: That was simply a lie! See the full list here! 1 The sixteen omitted verses 1.1 (1) Matthew 17:21 1.2 (2) Matthew 18:11 1.3 (3) Matthew 23:14 1.4 (4) Mark 7:16 1.5 (5 & 6) Mark 9:44 & 9:46 1.6 (7) Mark 11:26 1.7 (  Mark 15:281.8 (9) Luke 17:36 1.9 (10) John 5:3–4 1.10 (11) Acts 8:37 1.11 (12) Acts 15:34 1.12 (13) Acts 24:6–8 1.13 (14) Acts 28:29 1.14 (15) Romans 16:24 1.15 (16) 1 John 5:7–8 2 Some other omitted verses 2.1 Matthew 20:16 (b) 2.2 Mark 6:11 (b) 2.3 Luke 4:8 (b) 2.4 Luke 9:55–56 2.5 Luke 23:17 2.6 Acts 9:5–6 2.7 Acts 13:42 2.8 Acts 23:9 (b) 3 Not omitted but boxed 3.1 Mark 16:9–20 3.2 John 7:53–8:11 4 Other English translations 5 Versification differences 5.1 Romans 14 and 16 5.2 2 Corinthians 13:14 5.3 3 John 15 5.4 Revelation 12:18 |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by Nobody: 1:18pm On Aug 21, 2020 |
AntiChristian: The extra words are inserted. The KJV used the fraudulent manuscript to translate. They words are not genuine. Of course, there are other insertions you can find in KJV. I don't know what you are getting at though. The curse in the book of revelation is contextually for that book. 1 Like |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by fortran12: 2:57pm On Aug 21, 2020 |
AntiChristian:You are back for some abi. Ok |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by advocatejare(m): 4:46pm On Aug 21, 2020 |
AntiChristian:You mean the way you failed to show me just one ailment that black cumin cures as erroneously proclaimed by the camel-like snorting false Prophet Muhammad? |
| Re: Notorious Insertion To The Bible 1 John 5 :7 by AntiChristian: 11:03pm On Aug 22, 2020 |
fortran12: Diversion tactics away from the question. |
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