1StopRudeness:


U don’t sound very intelligent....rigorousity isn’t the criteria of a PhD....there are so many rigorous things in life.... don’t equate what has different requirement together......5years or even 100years residency might be rigorous than a PhD as u claim...but do not equate the two...they ain’t equivalent ....

...a PhD has a requirement of carrying out a laboratory or field independent novel research with nothing less than a total of 20,000 word thesis of ur findings at the end of 4yrs......unless a doctor does this in their residency they should stop this nonsense

Research is part of a residency. It is one of the requirements.before obtaining a fellowship.

That your monicker is 1stoprudeness doesn't give you the audacity to be rude to me.

There are ways to get your message across with seeming classless. Never try it again

The two bodies had better come together and sort it out. If a Doctorate adds value, fine, you may make it a requirement for new positions but for those already in the system make it a phased program.

Abeg the government has no legs under the table they are shaking. Nigeria is already in serious medical demographic distress with more doctors planning to leave due to the worsening state of the nation.

Abeg, the standards of peacetime are not the same as the standards of wartime.

Gr8amechi:

There are none with PhD in surgery or PhD in cardiology or PhD in neurosurgery so none would take over

If that is the case then NUC heading for a fight they are bound to loose.

1StopRudeness:


What are u saying?? what has ur specialization gotta do with fulfilling the requirement of carrying out novel, independent research and documenting ur findings.....
Specialize all u want, train other doctors on the job all u want ..no one is stopping you from doing that .
You are claiming doctors in other countries are given honorary lecturership..is this an automatic title after graduation from medical school...
In this abroad you are talking Do u know there are doctors that don’t just practice only but also engage in research like molecular biologist to find cure, to develop disease biomarkers both at cell, animal model and clinical level...??

the NUC is saying u need a PhD to lecture undergraduate students and u are saying ur first degree should be enuf because ur course is a training course...that’s how u guys suddenly dash urself professor of medicine.... there should be order to these things...

You do not talk as if you went to university.
Try to get facts before forming opinions
Medicine as a university course is unique
It is A TRAINING and apprenticeship
THERE IS NOWHERE in the world where only PhDs Teach medical students

NO WHERE
There are doctors involved in research as you point out but how many are in the medical school and how many more doctors are not.
Medical research is not cheap and talking about research in Nigeria is a bad joke.
Where is the funding?
Medicine is a specialist course just like going to the NDA or a Pilot school.


Doctors are not stupid people, they are intelligent enough to do Phds but most do not rather they specialize.
If Phd was the way to go they would all do it.
There just are
Medicine is not about sitting passively receiving lectures but being able to help resuscitate a heart attack victim when he is brought in for urgent help.
Also even when teaching occurs it could be by a nurse or other professional who is neither a doctor nor a Phd


This proposal is stupid because it will close all ,I repeat all the medical schools in Nigeria.
It is unrealistic
Even at postgraduate level there is teaching and often it is by specialists not Phds

There is order those who want to be academic and professors do what they have to do

Medical students in the clinical years receive much of their teaching practically and also as TUTORIALS Which do not require Phds

CSTR2:

Specialising in epidemiology is exactly what I am looking for.
That is what will make them qualified to impact knowledge to students.

What are you even saying? You have no idea how this thing works, you just want to contribute.

It's easy for NUC to be saying rubbish.
If the doctors don't lecture the medical students, who will?
If you say they should stop teaching, where will you get people to teach the medical students?
You are back to the doctors again.
You see people who spend 6yrs + to become consultants post nysc and you come to talk rubbish about PhD.
Maybe we should call them Dr. Dr. ..... after getting the PhD

The Army are proposing a university
Who will teach them about military tactics?
Only Phds?

BalogunIdowu:



You don't actually know the rigor in becoming a consultant.

It can take 10 years post MBBS in Nigeria

Many doctors achieve this close to age 40

NUC Develops Academic Postgraduate Programmes in Medicine
25 June 2018
https://www.nuc.edu.ng/nuc-develops-academic-postgraduate-programmes-in-medicine/

In its bid to meet the academic postgraduate requirements of Nigerian University System, the National Universities Commission (NUC), has developed academic postgraduate programmes in medicine. The programme is designed to award Masters, Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) and Doctor of Medicine (MD).

The Executive Secretary, NUC, Professor Abubakar Adamu Rasheed, mni, MFR, FNAL highlighted the general need to overhaul the medical curricula for both undergraduate and postgraduate programmes.

He said this at a meeting with some Deans of Post Graduate schools and Provosts of Colleges of Medicine of Nigerian Universities last Wednesday in the Commission.

In his address, the Executive Secretary stressed the need to enhance and refresh the medical profession, hence the decision by the Commission to assemble experts in the medical profession to develop the curriculum which include graduates of Medicine and Dentistry who were lecturers currently on their fellowship, could now undertake their PhD concurrently with some concession.

He said it was necessary to re-introduce the option of MD by publication to provide opportunity for many Professors to keep contributing new knowledge for as long as they wanted without the rigors of interfacing with any supervisor.

Professor Rasheed informed the meeting that the PhD was not a replacement of the fellowship training in the medical field but an option to the medical profession as a whole. It would henceforth be a pre-requisite for any medical professional that wanted to pursue the teaching career.

He explained that the said doctorate degree was strictly for the graduates of medicine and not for other science disciplines which could be acquired not only through thesis but also through publications in high impact journals.

He stressed that every scholar shall publish a minimum of 5 articles on the same topic and the publication date must not be earlier than the date of registration for the programme.

The 3 categories of people that would be allowed to get a PhD included:

1. Those that must have enrolled in the fellowship programme of either the national or West African medical schools and successfully passed the part one of either or both and embark on the part 2 without a Masters degree can be allowed to start their part 2 and enroll for a PhD too. The student should be expected to work on the 2 projects at the same time but can be given a very good concession from the National Post Graduate Medical College to serve as incentive.

He added that if a student registered for fellowship in medical college and he/she completed the PhD before he/she submit himself for the final exam in Lagos and had successfully defended the PhD thesis, the medical college could examine him on several other issues but waive the thesis requirement and adopt the PhD thesis in its place.

2. Those Fellows who want to have a PhD in addition to other qualifications could register for the programme without any requirements or course work, but would be required to write a thesis within specified period under the supervision of a very reliable lecturer.

3. And those who were not interested in becoming fellows but have very good MBBS degrees but want an MSc and a PhD.

The Executive Secretary also commended the leadership of MDCN (Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria) for sheathing their swords and joining in the intense discussions on matters that they were very passionate about and advised that coming together to develop the health sector was more important than being at loggerheads, as NUC and other professional bodies were all geared at championing the same course.

He also informed them that there was need for MDCN and NUC to meet and discuss appropriate undergraduate admission quota for colleges of medicine.

He expressed his gratitude to all of them present on their doggedness at maintaining a very impressive standard in the medical education.

In his speech, the Director, Directorate of Academic Planning, Dr. Gidado B. Kumo, said that the meeting with Deans of Post Graduate schools and Provosts of Colleges of Medicine in Nigerian Universities was very necessary because they were authorities in the matter and had to be kept abreast of any development on issues pertaining to requirements for admission into any degree awarding programme.

He said the Commission needed to discuss with them as stakeholders to arrest any area of difficulty that a student might come across in his university in the pursuit of his PhD and also make them the Commission’s ambassadors when matters arise in their respective university Senates.

The Executive Secretary, Medical Schools for Africa and Provost, University of Ibadan Medical School, Professor E. Oluwabunmi Olapade – Olaopa on behalf of the Deans and Provosts present, thanked the Executive Secretary, NUC for introducing the doctor of medicine MD option into the medical practice in Nigeria. He agreed that medical education was a continuum and therefore a PhD for the medical school was very important in order to reverse the dearth of doctors in the society and keep the system as fresh as possible.

He added that though research was important, of greater importance was establishing a link between the research from the PhDs and the clinical medicine, to know the impact of your research clinically.

He hoped that the standard of the qualification would be of high quality and urged the lecturers to continuously participate in the supervision of the doctorate thesis, regardless of whether they belonged to the clinical field or basic sciences, to promote synergy and continuous training that will ensure the profession boasts of more doctors with research degrees.

Professor Oluwabunmi particularly stressed the need to keep doctors in-country and provide them with the same degrees they go to seek in other countries. While keeping them busy with the PhD and MD degrees, they should be encouraged to write publications and keep adding knowledge and value to the medical field. This, he said would drive the development of effective health systems nationwide.

Present at the meeting were Provosts of some Colleges of Medicine and some Deans of Post Graduate Schools of Nigerian universities. The NUC Team included, Dr. Gidado Bello Kumo, Pharmacist Audu, Mrs. Nwosu and other staff of the Directorate of Academic Planning.

1StopRudeness:


What are u saying?? what has ur specialization gotta do with fulfilling the requirement of carrying out novel, independent research and documenting ur findings.....
Specialize all u want, train other doctors on the job all u want ..no one is stopping you from doing that .
You are claiming doctors in other countries are given honorary lecturership..is this an automatic title after graduation from medical school...
In this abroad you are talking Do u know there are doctors that don’t just practice only but also engage in research like molecular biologist to find cure, to develop disease biomarkers both at cell, animal model and clinical level...??

the NUC is saying u need a PhD to lecture undergraduate students and u are saying ur first degree should be enuf because ur course is a training course...that’s how u guys suddenly dash urself professor of medicine.... there should be order to these things...

You don't need PhD to lecture medical students in the U.S, you don't need PhD to lecture medical students in the U.K, and you don't need PhD to lecture medical students in Australia, but in that backward country called Nigeria NUC says you must have PhD to lecture medical students and you ignorant people are cheering them?

Shey no be say somebody don sasi most of you guys in that country?

CSTR2:

A medical doctor lecturer in orthopaedics should have extensive work in that field and need a PhD .
A lecture in community health should have a doctorate in public health or epidemiology.
And so on.

Residency is too general to give you that specialised training and knowledge regardless of how long it takes.

And without that training, you should not teach.
Go and work in the hospital.

But they said they are no longer teaching, why are u panicking?? go and employ from anywhere then..

NUC is too daft oo, how can you say someone with higher degree(a whole fellowship) than PhD degree to sit down and earn another lesser PhD degree which is equivalent to Master degree in medicine. Medical school graduates are only entitled to use the courtesy title "Doctor" upon registration as a medical practitioner with the relevant regulatory body in their respective country. Medical graduates are eligible to sit postgraduate examinations, including examinations for membership and fellowship of professional institutions. Among the latter are the Membership of the Royal College of Surgeons, postgraduate master's degrees (such as a Master of Surgery or Master of Medicine), and a postgraduate doctorate in medicine (such as Doctor of Medicine or Doctor of Science, if earned in Ireland, the UK or Commonwealth nations, and board certification examinations).

A medical school does not need to be part of a university. Traditionally they stood alone just like ICAN and going forward medicine can stand o it's own.
You do not need a university to study medicine rather a MEDICAL SCHOOL with access to a general hospital
The profession is big enough to ditch NUC and have it's own equivalent and exclusive body to perform the same function
Ultimately medicine is a professional pursuit involving APPRENTICESHIP

Medical education can successfully be removed from universities without problems

If the Nigerian Defence Academy can stand alone then so too can a medical school

CSTR2:

Well, it can be streamlined.

Pure medical courses like Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Dentistry, opthamology, should be based on medical experience.
Which means consultant doctors should have the required professional experience to impact knowledge.

But applied scientific courses like community health, pathology and pharmacology, medical biochemistry e.t.c should be taught by specialists.
And those people should have a PhD.

PHD in pathology kwanu??

seems u don't know what it takes to b a pathologist .. lol..

lemme tell u.. Pathology is divided into 4. a pathologist is a consultant, before u b a consultant pathologist, u most have ur MBBS degree, do ur residency for 5+ years before u become a pathologist, and these are the ones that tech medics..

OK??..

The attention of the Management of the National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria has been drawn to unnecessary altercations that have recently evolved with regard to the issue of the relativity of Postgraduate Fellowships in Medicine and Dentistry vis-à-vis Ph.D in the Nigerian University System.  It has therefore become imperative for the College to make some clarifications as the organ of the Federal Government of Nigeria that awards the Fellowships in Clinical Medicine and Dentistry in line with international best practices.
The National Postgraduate Medical College was established by Law, (Decree 67 of 1979), now Cap. N59 Laws of the Federation of Nigeria 2004, as a body corporate with perpetual succession and a common seal. The Law gave the College the responsibility to conduct postgraduate examinations of “candidates in the various specialized branches of medicine, surgery, obstetrics and gynaecology and dental surgery and making awards in relation thereto accordingly”.  Section 7 of the Law gave the Senate of the College the responsibility for running the academic affairs of the College including “(b) the Award of degrees, diplomas and such other qualifications as may be prescribed in connection with examinations held as aforesaid”
Based on this Law, as the body at the Apex of Medical Education in Nigeria, the College has been functioning over the last 36 years to produce specialists in all branches of Medicine and Dentistry. This has been done through the organization of the curricula for professional postgraduate education in the various specialized branches of medicine and dentistry; and the conduct of professional postgraduate examination of candidates leading to the Award of the FELLOWSHIP as the terminal Academic and Professional qualification.
It is a trite knowledge that Medicine is as much of Science as an Art.  Medicine is the discipline of using science-based skills to solve human health problems. All over the world, Medical schools are divided into at least 2 components: basic medical sciences and clinical sciences.    In Nigeria, as in other parts of the world, the topmost postgraduate qualification recognised for clinical sciences is the Fellowship while for the Core Basic Medical Sciences (Anatomy, Biochemistry and Physiology), it is the Ph.D. that is recognized to get to the peak of their careers. The uniqueness of the Fellowship training of the College is the fact that it combines the full academic and research content as obtainable in any sound doctoral degree with structured clinical (professional) postgraduate training. This accounts for why it takes a long time to produce a single Fellow in any of the specialized branches of Medicine and Dentistry.  It is to be noted that the competency-based curriculum for the Fellowship Residency programme has been designed to train postgraduate specialists and clinical lecturers over a minimum of 6 years with definite competencies in the four areas of professional practice: clinical problem solving, research, teaching and Health Resources Management.
Towards the FELLOWSHIP certification, there are 3 layers of the evaluation process viz:  PRIMARY, PART I FELLOWSHIP and PART II (FINAL) FELLOWSHIP. The basic medical degree (MB, BS) and dental degree (BDS) after 600 Level courses in the University are equivalent to special Masters Degrees and holders are often appointed as Assistant lecturers in the basic medical sciences, such registered medical and dental practitioners are eligible to sit for the PRIMARY FELLOWSHIP which is the Postgraduate Examination after Internship.
Only those who have been successful can enroll in an accredited Tertiary Institution for the Residency Training Programme. The Junior Residency programme spans a period of a minimum of between 24 to 36 Months (depending on discipline) for rotations consisting of at least 100 Course credit Units of Lectures/Seminars and over 180 credit Units of practical/clinical skills acquisitions. Eligible candidates can then proceed to sit for the PART I FELLOWSHIP examinations. Those who are success

ful can enroll for the Senior Residency programme which is a full time endeavor for 30 to 48 Months after Part I.
The Senior Resident is expected to register the research topic for his Dissertation and submit a detailed proposal on the justification for the research topic and the methodology to be used. Formative assessment is carried out and if successful he would continue with the research. Concurrently, he will continue with academic programmes consisting of Lectures/Seminars of over 120 Course Credit Units and 200 Credit Units of Clinical/Practical skills acquisition for which Log-books must be signed per event. After a minimum of 36 months, eligible candidate can now apply for the PART II (FELLOWSHIP) examinations which are divided into TWO components. The successful defence of dissertation as adjudged by external examiners (in the absence of the supervisors) earns the candidate a PASS in this part which is equivalent to a successful defence of Ph.D Theses. Thereafter the candidate will be examined through written, clinical and oral evaluation to be adjudged by at least TWO External Examiners (who are not his trainers) as being fit to be a Specialist. The Fellowship is thereafter awarded to successful candidates. The evaluation process is carried out objectively, mostly by Professors in the Universities, and devoid of interference by the supervisors/trainers. It follows therefore that the FELLOWSHIP is like a post-doctoral degree as it has satisfied more than all essential requirements for the award of a Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D) in any discipline apart from the accompanying professional training.
It must be on this basis that the National Universities Commission (NUC) itself had, since 1989 when it issued its first Benchmark Minimum Academic Standards (BMAS) for Medicine and Dentistry, been stipulating that persons with Fellowships are appointable as Lecturer I in Clinical Sciences while those with Ph.D are appointable only as Lecturer II in the Basic Sciences. Holders of Ph.D can only become Lecturer I after 3 Years Teaching experience in a University or similar Institution. Any Clinician that has only a Ph.D as his only postgraduate attainment is not appointable as a Consultant and cannot have patients under his care.  The possession of a Fellowship is thus a sine qua non for the appointment of anyone as a Consultant and Clinical Lecturer.  The National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria is therefore the only Federal Government Agency that has the capacity and the capability to certify specialists that will train other medical and dental doctors to Professorial level.
It is hoped that those who have been perpetuating the unnecessary controversy will be better educated by these clarifications according to the Law and international best practices.
 
Signed 
Professor O. A. Atoyebi, FMCS
College Registrar                                                                                     
30th September 2015
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Information and Protocol Unit Office of the College Registrar NPMCN, Ijanikin, Lagos
This is for those displaying total ignorance with respect to the residency program

Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery, or in Latin: Medicinae Baccalaureus Baccalaureus Chirurgiae (abbreviated in many ways, e.g. MBBS, MB ChB, MB BCh, MB BChir (Cantab), BM BCh (Oxon), BMBS), are the two first professional degrees in medicine and surgery awarded upon graduation from medical school by universities in countries that follow the tradition of the United Kingdom. The historical degree nomenclature states that they are two separate undergraduate degrees; however, in practice, they are usually combined as one and conferred together, and may also be awarded at graduate-level medical schools. In countries that follow the system in the United States, the equivalent medical degree is awarded as Doctor of Medicine (MD) or Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (DO) (the latter in the United States only).[1]
History and nature
Naming
ClassificationEdit

Medical degrees differ from other undergraduate degrees in that they are professional qualifications that lead holders to enter a particular career upon receipt. This is not the case with most other undergraduate degrees, so whilst the Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery are undergraduate or graduate degrees (depending on the institution), they are perhaps more accurately conceptualised as a so-called first professional degree. Other professions whose qualifications follow a similar pattern include:

Chiropractic
Dentistry
Education
Engineering
Environmental Health
Occupational Therapy
Optometry
Pharmacy
Physical Therapy
Law
Veterinary Medicine
Osteopathy
Physician Assistant
Nursing

Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery are usually awarded as professional degrees, not as honours degrees, and as such the graduate is not classified as for honours degrees in other subjects. However, at many institutions (for example the University of Aberdeen, University of Birmingham, University of Sheffield, University of Liverpool, University of Leicester, Hull York Medical School, and University of Manchester in England and the University of Dundee in Scotland) it is possible for the degrees to be awarded with Honours (i.e. MB ChB (Hons.)) or with Commendation, if the board of examiners recognises exceptional performance throughout the degree course. Very few of these are awarded.

More often, it is possible to study one subject for an extra year for an intercalated honours degree. This is usually a Bachelor of Science (BSc), Bachelor of Medical Science (BMedSci), Bachelor of Medical Biology (BMedBiol) or similar: at Oxford and Cambridge in England and Dublin in Ireland Bachelor of Arts degrees are awarded. At a few universities most medical students obtain an ordinary degree in science as well: when the University of Edinburgh had a six-year course, the third year was followed by the award of an ordinary BSc(MedSci). In Australia, The University of Melbourne in Australia offers an Arts Degree (BA) to a medical student on the completion of two extra years of undergraduate study, and Monash University offers a Law degree (LLB); if the optional Law degree is undertaken, on completion of their degree the student may choose to do a one-year internship at a hospital and become a doctor, or spend one year doing articles to practise thereafter as a lawyer. At the University of Nottingham and the University of Southampton, both in England, all medical students on the five-year course obtain a Bachelor of Medical Sciences (BMedSci) degree without an extra intercalated year. At Imperial College London and University College London, certain medical students are able to extend their intercalated year to an extra three years, thus temporarily exiting the MBBS course to complete a PhD. Upon completion of the PhD, the student is required to sit the remaining 2 years of the medicine course to receive his/her MBBS degree. The University of the West Indies, Mona in Kingston, Jamaica automatically awards a Bachelor of Medical Sciences (BMedSci) degree to all students who have successfully completed three years of their MBBS programme.[26]
ProgressionEdit

Medical school graduates are only entitled to use the courtesy title "Doctor" upon registration as a medical practitioner with the relevant regulatory body in their respective country. Medical graduates are eligible to sit postgraduate examinations, including examinations for membership and fellowship of professional institutions. Among the latter are the Membership of the Royal College of Surgeons, postgraduate master's degrees (such as a Master of Surgery or Master of Medicine), and a postgraduate doctorate in medicine (such as Doctor of Medicine or Doctor of Science, if earned in Ireland, the UK or Commonwealth nations, and board certification examinations).

CSTR2:

A medical doctor lecturer in orthopaedics should have extensive work in that field and need a PhD .
A lecture in community health should have a doctorate in public health or epidemiology.
And so on.

Residency is too general to give you that specialised training and knowledge regardless of how long it takes.

And without that training, you should not teach.
Go and work in the hospital.

Ignorant

Teaching happens IN THE HOSPITALS

Medicine is an Apprenticeship
It has an apprenticeship culture going back centuries
Students learn how to talk to patients,, how to examine them,how to cut them and sew them up in hospitals not lecture theatres.
Doctors are TAUGHT by midwives, nurses, senior colleagues, lawyers etc.
According to you a Lecturer in Orthopaedics should have a Phd.

How many of such exist in the whole world?


If we brought them all to Nigeria they won't be enough

From the doctor's perspective why should he pursue such a career trajectory

It is like a soldier pursuing a Phd in Ballistics

Medical training can be likened to military officer training at NDA which is a postgraduate institution

Should only Phds lecture at NDA or Police College?

CSTR2:
A doctor does not know about pathology than an anatomist with a PhD.

haaaa..

the problem is u don't even know who is a pathologist.

lemme enlighten u small

The branch of pathology that specialise in Anatomical part are called Histopathologist.. Even PhD anatomist won't rap what ure saying..

I sense ignorance in ur Talkings though..

PHD anatomist only know the physical, cellular but can't diagnose a diseased ones e.g cancerous cell, they only know the theory.

A consultant Medical Doctor/pathologist/Histopathologist are the ones who know the physical, down to the cellular and molecular level, diagnose diseased ones in the living, know the management and treatment

they also do autopsy..


can a PhD anatomist do autopsy, Diagnose a living cancerous cell, Manage breast , liver cancer, . .


The thing is u don't know the difference, sorry for laughing ur ignorance.. But that is the little I can tell u before u ll embarrass urself outside..

Just like comparing a Headmaster with a Professor..

funmisticqueen2:
it involves the step of the PhD without the title.

Medicine is an apprenticeship. Pls keep that in mind

Engineering is what??
Law is what??

Do you see engineers complaining as youse all the time??

United States

In the United States, the M.D. awarded by medical schools is a "Professional Doctorate"[38][39] (as opposed to the Doctor of Philosophy degree which requires a focus on research) and is accredited by the Liaison Committee on Medical Education (LCME), an independent body sponsored by the Association of American Medical Colleges, and the American Medical Association (AMA).[40][41]

In addition to the M.D., the Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (D.O.) is an equivalent professional doctoral degree for physicians and surgeons offered by medical schools in the United States. According to Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine, "the training, practice, credentialing, licensure, and reimbursement of osteopathic physicians is virtually indistinguishable from those of M.D. physicians, with 4 years of osteopathic medical school followed by specialty and subspecialty training and certification."

Admission to medical school in the United States is highly competitive, and in the United States about 17,800 out of approximately 47,000 applicants (≈38%)[citation needed] received at least one acceptance to any medical school in recent application years.[vague] Before entering medical school, students are required to complete a four-year undergraduate degree and take the Medical College Admission Test (MCAT); however, some combined undergraduate-medical programs exist. Before graduating from a medical school and being awarded the Doctor of Medicine degree, students are required to take the United States Medical Licensing Examination (USMLE) Step 1 and both the clinical knowledge and clinical skills parts of Step 2. The MD degree is typically earned in four years. Following the awarding of the MD, physicians who wish to practice in the United States are required to complete at least one internship year (PGY-1) and pass the USMLE Step 3. In order to receive board eligible or board accredited status in a specialty of medicine such as general surgery or internal medicine, physicians undergo additional specialized training in the form of a residency. Those who wish to further specialize in areas such as cardiology or infectious diseases then complete a fellowship. Depending upon the physician's chosen field, residencies and fellowships involve an additional three to eight years of training after obtaining the MD. This can be lengthened with additional research years, which can last one, two, or more years.[citation needed]

Even though the M.D. is a professional degree and not a research doctorate (i.e., a Ph.D.), many holders of the M.D. degree conduct clinical and basic scientific research and publish in peer-reviewed journals during training and after graduation; an academic physician whose work emphasizes basic research is called a physician-scientist. Combined medical and research training is offered through programs granting an MD-PhD. The National Institutes of Health (NIH), through its Medical Scientist Training Program, funds M.D.-Ph.D. training programs at many universities. Some M.D.s choose a research career and receive funding from the NIH as well as other sources such as the Howard Hughes Medical Institute.[42] The United States Department of Education and the National Science Foundation do not include the M.D. or other professional doctorates among the degrees that are equivalent to research doctorates.[43][44]

Ghostmode2two:


Those with the proper qualification will take over. Will the strike solve it?

Where are they and who ll supervise a Gynecologist,

u don't know the wealth of knowledge in a consultant..

1StopRudeness:


No one said they shouldn’t practice medicine... the NUC is only regulrizing their policy on lecturing qualification....why should doctors have an exception and be allowed to lecture with only their first degree..

No First degree holder lectures Medic..

all of them are residents or consultant or professors.. owk...

1StopRudeness:


U don’t sound very intelligent....rigorousity isn’t the criteria of a PhD....there are so many rigorous things in life.... don’t equate what has different requirement together......5years or even 100years residency might be rigorous than a PhD as u claim...but do not equate the two...they ain’t equivalent ....

...a PhD has a requirement of carrying out a laboratory or field independent novel research with nothing less than a total of 20,000 word thesis of ur findings at the end of 4yrs......unless a doctor does this in their residency they should stop this nonsense

What is the goal of doing residency or becoming a specialist Doctor
and what do u think they do in residency.

who do u think a consultant is gan..


u don't know

Reference:


From where exactly.... sir.

Have u seen our labour market
dont ask me mumu kweshon pls

Gr8amechi:

You are funny, a teaching hospital is a hospital where postgraduate and undergraduate medical students are taught how to diagnose and manage patients.

PhD is not a clinical degree

Nor is PhD a legal degree or a business degree or an art degree
You have no point!

yinchar:
What a bunch of illiterate medical doctors saying "PhD is cosmetics"

All over the world, a PhD or equivalent is required as a minimum qualification to join academic positions at lecturer level and above at any University.

A PhD exposes one to a narrower field but at greater depth and understanding.

Most medical doctors that are teaching our medical students are just holders of MBBS which is a Bachelors degree equivalent to having BTech or BSc in Engineering. However, with residency periods, we can subjectively agree/disagree its equivalent (but not) to Masters.

Irrespective of the aforementioned, to be a lecturer in a proper University you need to have a PhD, there is no shortcut about it.

All over the world? Which world u dey?

Gr8amechi:

They teach in preclinical not in clinical, they teach courses like anatomy, physiology, biochemistry but not courses like surgery or internal medicine

And u are who NUC
If u cant follow the rules dont expect to get the job

Sabadon:
wats the full meaning of MBBS after answering that the read your comment again

Nothing there to read again.

MMBS - Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery, or in Latin: Medicinae Baccalaureus Baccalaureus Chirurgiae

Next?

afrodoc2:



You don't need PhD to lecture medical students in the U.S, you don't need PhD to lecture medical students in the U.K, and you don't need PhD to lecture medical students in Australia, but in that backward country called Nigeria NUC says you must have PhD to lecture medical students and you ignorant people are cheering them?

Shey no be say somebody don sasi most of you guys in that country?

Oh !! The western world is now your Standard.. cos it’s convince the for your argument..but If those gay apologist come and say Nigeria should pass gay laws because western world does the same .. we will start screaming Nigeria is different from US.....people will start quoting bible they don’t read....
Already u guys have the Dr title...but it’s not academic....this isn't too hard to get....it’s a title for a physician, someone authorized on paper and training to treat other humans...just like a vet is called a Dr cos he’s learned and trained to treat animals... but no matter how trainning-compliant medicine is.. it has been structured as an academic programme at the end of the day...
If I might ask how do u guys get ur professor title...??if there’s no structure and order in these things...I believe there will be some form of abuse...mayb I don’t see it from ur angle

Jokerman:


How can a medical doctor that doesn't know mathematics be smarter than an engineer?

A doctor what can't design a room??

what's Jr definition if smartness.

meanwhile, Doctors Repair human body meanwhile te doctor wasn't there during creation.

so a doctor need to study the creativity of human body, even uptill now, the creativity is inexhaustible,


after studying the creativity, doctors study the diseased/malfunctioning parts, then study how to treat..



meanwhile, those who study MBBS are most time the best /smartest, sharpest student in secondary school,

In pre degree, engineering student couldn't smell behind medics scores in mathematics...

So what are u talking about

OfficialJayy:
So you mean after all the years that a doctor would spend in school.. spend doing his residency before becoming a consultant... you still want him to spend more years chasing a phD degree that can be bought Na wa oo

No. If the proposal scales through MSc/PhD training will be incorporated into residency program so that one gets clinical fellowship, an MSc, and a PhD at the end of the 5 year training.

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We @[color=#006600][/color] know what Doctors go through first hand,
PhD certificate though relevant but “ it doesn’t add value to any kind of treatment”.
The NUC’s decision is punitive and acting in error,
We believe that having fellowship acquired through residency was more vigorous,
which could be equated with PhD certificate,
That is residency training is purposeful,
while PhD is cosmetics'.
Only Medical Doctors in the house can comprehend our posts.

It is not about the 'rigor' nor is it about 'patient treatment'. It is about NUC guidelines that stipulate that PhD is what is needed for teaching in Nigerian universities.