obi4eze:


Maybe NUC actually goofed by allowing them lecture and become Professors without PhD in the past but it seems they realized their error.

The consultants want to continue becoming Professors without PhD. I laugh! Do they actually know the rigors of becoming a PhD holder?
They are not bigger than NUC that regulates them so if NUC says they cant become Professors without PhD then they should either join their colleagues who go on to acquire PhD or get out.

Which stupid rigors?
Can u compare a medical professor to other professors?
Ur comparing ordinary PhD to the rigors of becoming a professor in the clinical sciences?
What value does it add to teaching cos teaching of medical students is more of a practical thing if one wants results.

what exactly will be the use of the PhD to their lecturing, one of the major challenges in the education sector is that we value certificates without experience, what good is the ability to make an academic research without the knowledge to teach practicals, there are a lot of professor and PhD engineers that cannot do jack on site, yet they carry certificates around.

obi4eze:


Maybe NUC actually goofed by allowing them lecture and become Professors without PhD in the past but it seems they realized their error.

The consultants want to continue becoming Professors without PhD. I laugh! Do they actually know the rigors of becoming a PhD holder?
They are not bigger than NUC that regulates them so if NUC says they cant become Professors without PhD then they should either join their colleagues who go on to acquire PhD or get out.

yinchar:


Please stop exposing your ignorance.

*It's not about subjectively equating residency to PhD, it's about is it a PhD?*

If it's not and you want to lecture, go earn your PhD, it's not a must.

Else, do your residency and practice alone without lecturing.

That's where your foolishness lies. So it's not about the value it brings but the certificate. You are an educated illiterate. This Country won't grow with your likes having a say

If you must conduct research or supervise research in a Nigerian university, the NUC is allowed to regulate the requirements.

In Germany, France and maybe Switzerland, researchers must earn a habilitation degree, almost like a second doctorate which is earned from a period of independent research, before they are allowed to manage research/PhD students. Anyone that wants to be an academic in these countries must toe the route specified by their respective academic councils.

However, the NUC needs to be aware that having a PhD does not qualify anyone to be a teacher. It is only an indicator that you can conduct research. Experience in the field can be used as a requirement for promotion to associate professorship. For full professorship, you can then discuss that a PhD is required.

yinchar:
What a bunch of illiterate medical doctors saying "PhD is cosmetics"

All over the world, a PhD or equivalent is required as a minimum qualification to join academic positions at lecturer level and above at any University.

A PhD exposes one to a narrower field but at greater depth and understanding.

Most medical doctors that are teaching our medical students are just holders of MBBS which is a Bachelors degree equivalent to having BTech or BSc in Engineering. However, with residency periods, we can subjectively agree/disagree its equivalent (but not) to Masters.

Irrespective of the aforementioned, to be a lecturer in a proper University you need to have a PhD, there is no shortcut about it.

You have a point about PhD increasing your level of understanding.
But you must be really dumb if you think the residency programme that makes one a consultant does not qualify one to be a lecturer, then you are gravely mistaken.
Google doctor's residency programmes that makes one a consultant. When you're done, go appreciate your family doctor or a consultant.

If you want to teach get a PhD if not get a job and practice in hospital

You will find out when you apply for a lecturing job

kapelvej:
As in PhD in what.

worworbabe:


You are dumb. What does pHD entail that residency does not entail? I am sure you don't know what you are talking about.

They fail to understand that doctors write a lot of research papers before being considered for professorship. Nigeria is just a madhouse.

Recite this to your Dad

worworbabe:

If you have a Father to respect you won't type this nonsense.
Omo alainiran.

TonyeBarcanista:
What is the problem of these doctors sef? They always strike over everything. This is so irresponsible of these doctors.

Beside, what is wrong with having only those with PhD qualification teach in Universities?

Government should invoke the No Work No Pay Rule for any striking Doctor

How many doctors do we have in the country?
How many consultants?
How many want to teach?
Doctors should get PhD when they dont even have time for themselves becos of hospital work

obi4eze:


Maybe NUC actually goofed by allowing them lecture and become Professors without PhD in the past but it seems they realized their error.

The consultants want to continue becoming Professors without PhD. I laugh! Do they actually know the rigors of becoming a PhD holder?
They are not bigger than NUC that regulates them so if NUC says they cant become Professors without PhD then they should either join their colleagues who go on to acquire PhD or get out.

What is the rigour in PhD that is not in Residency?

Moreover, the issue is about lecturing, and not the professorial title.

A person who has completed a residency is well qualified to lecture in the universities and medical colleges.

Just like the MDCAN put it: "PhD is cosmetic". It is not harder than a residency, and it is only more research oriented.

Universities and medical colleges are places of learning and research. It is not totally about research. So, doctors without PhDs should be allowed to lecture too.

Correcto:
So because you did residency for 100years you should be a professor over night without PhD? Trash!!!!!!!

You are the real thrash here because you know nothing about medicine and your skull is actually empty...
A consultant is a specialist already in that field which requires years of training AFTER medical school to attain! Even Dr. Ben Carson, the world's famous neurosurgeon did not require a PhD to lecture in his field!
Nigeria is just plain crazy with bizarre leadership decisions to suppress their own people!!! Tufiakwa!!

Recite what to your Dad, it suits you n him best

worworbabe:


If you have a Father to respect you won't type this nonsense.

Omo alainiran.

worworbabe:


That's where your foolishness lies. So it's not about the value it brings but the certificate. You are an educated illiterate. This Country won't grow with your likes having a say

being a lecturer means you must be able to conduct and supervise research and also submit research papers and the requirements to do that is PhD . Simple

Must they go on strike??
There are better ways to resolve issues like this!!

Personally, I think NUC is right tho!!

kapelvej:
As in PhD in what.

In the relevant field wherein they already lecture....

Captainrambo2:
it was doctor okojie that started this.

If you dont want a PhD leave the class room and get domiciled in the hospital.

There will be others

Of Course there will be others. But the medical practice itself is all about experience. Even the best medical Students may not be the best Doctors. Doctors who have had residency have more experience in practice to pass down to students than someone who simply got a pHD.

Even residency comes with research as well.

Are you Ben Carson? Bill Gates don't need any certificate to lecture IT in any University. Just shut up and get a PhD

Chienex24:

You are the real thrash here because you know nothing about medicine and your skull is actually empty...
A consultant is a specialist already in that field which requires years of training AFTER medical school to attain! Even Dr. Ben Carson, the world's famous neurosurgeon did not require a PhD to lecture in his field!
Nigeria is just plain crazy with bizarre leadership decisions to suppress their own people!!! Tufiakwa!!

Yohh:
NUC just wants to cause unnecessary discord.
The rigor involved in getting fellowship with the paper work and research is more demanding than getting a PhD. A 5 to 6 years residency program that some spend a decade to finish.

Thank you. Do not mind ignorant ones. I do not know how phd will improve skills of a surgeon.

Correcto:


So because you did residency for 100years you should be a professor over night without PhD? Trash!!!!!!!

This is exactly what they are supporting..... and trying to explain. These are the same kind of people that run to the kazeems with 40 years experience to fix their cars instead of the certified mechanic.
If one wants to be a lecturer... get a PhD. Simple.

AMvanquish:
Shouldn't experience matter more for Doctors. If we should be logical.

Who said the road to being a consultant is not enough experience?

obi4eze:


Maybe NUC actually goofed by allowing them lecture and become Professors without PhD in the past but it seems they realized their error.

The consultants want to continue becoming Professors without PhD. I laugh! Do they actually know the rigors of becoming a PhD holder?
They are not bigger than NUC that regulates them so if NUC says they cant become Professors without PhD then they should either join their colleagues who go on to acquire PhD or get out.

see this mumu... do you know what it takes to get a basic medical/Dental degree not to talk of becoming a Consultant?? The courses i did in final year medical school alone was 96 credit units. Thats more than 2 Masters degrees in only final year

obi4eze:


Maybe NUC actually goofed by allowing them lecture and become Professors without PhD in the past but it seems they realized their error.

The consultants want to continue becoming Professors without PhD. I laugh! Do they actually know the rigors of becoming a PhD holder?
They are not bigger than NUC that regulates them so if NUC says they cant become Professors without PhD then they should either join their colleagues who go on to acquire PhD or get out.

True, you see ordinary Mbbs holder lecturing physiology, anatomy etc. It's not a bad idea if they are forced to obtain a PhD in these fields before embarking on lecturing

Cc kapelvej yinchar

kitone:

Ignorance.phd is just 3yrs ofpaperwork.residency sents you back to school for another minimum of 6years training after medical school.which includes practical training and research.pls get your facts right.doctors need more of hands on training that just book work

As much as I agree with the fact that doctors spend more years undergoing practical training and research for their residency, it still can't be equated to a PhD.

Unless both can be integrated together, doctors interested in lecturing should acquire the appropriate requirement.

frankmoney:
you actually dumber that buhari with this your comments

So you don't know a medical doctors degree is an actual doctorate ? You Buharist can never be sound ever.

MD stands for Doctor of Medicine, and Phd stands for Doctor of philosophy. ... While MD pertains to a higher degree in medicine, a Phd can be obtained in various fields, like arts and the sciences.

Yohh:
NUC just wants to cause unnecessary discord.
The rigor involved in getting fellowship with the paper work and research is more demanding than getting a PhD. A 5 to 6 years residency program that some spend a decade to finish.

It doesn't still make sense when an MBBS holder is lecturing physiology and anatomy. Some even become HODs . The PhD is necessary if you ask me.

Gentle20love:
But that's the right thing to do now. Must everything in this country be solved with strike action?
How can you be a lecturing medical doctor without PhD. Common sense should tell us that it doesn't work that way. Mtcheeew

Dude, the need for doctors to train healthcare students is overhelming. Medicine is about scenarios students will encounter on daily basis. Not basic sciences theory.

Many senior doctors have MD, which is medical version of PhD.
FWACS or FRCP or FRCS or similar medical or surgical fellowships are for more powerful than just PhD only.

If they won't let non-PhD holders get funds for certain basic science research, it might make sense a bit.
I can confirm to you that most doctors from even registrar level easily beat basic science PhD holders. Anaesthesists are particularly good in pharmacology and related subjects. Surgeons teach anatomy with surgical and medical relevance in mind. That's what trainee clinicians need.

You will only know if you have seen tens of both lecturing.

worworbabe:


Must you comment? Do you know what residency is?
How do you think taking lectures in the classroom about medicine is the same as actually being in the field practicing medicine and as well taking lectures which is what residency is

Please don't mind these uneducated mindless trolls that know nothing about the field!!!

I swear I hate it when someone tries to make a smart comment about something they're clueless about!

Useless PhD.

What does PhD offer in real life? I mean real practical medicine. PhD is paper work but it adds no shit to improve quality health care.

I think medicine is better learnt in the field more like apprenticeship not in the classroom.

I still prefer the residency training to yeye PhD.

By the way PhD is far easy to get compared to fellowship so why the fuss

AreaFada2:

Dude, the need for doctors to train healthcare students is overhelming. Medicine is about scenarios students will encounter on daily basis. Not basic sciences theory.

Many senior doctors have MD, which is medical version of PhD.
FWACS or FRCP or FRCS or similar medical or surgical fellowships are for more powerful than just PhD only.

If they won't let non-PhD holders get funds for certain basic science research, it might make sense a bit.
I can confirm to you that most doctors from even registrar level easily beat basic science PhD holders. Anaesthesists are particularly good in pharmacology and related subjects.

God bless you

worworbabe:


That's where your foolishness lies. So it's not about the value it brings but the certificate. You are an educated illiterate. This Country won't grow with your likes having a say

I won't join issues with an illiterate person like you, which is obvious in your abusive tone.

Its obvious you can't comprehend the PhD requirement to lecture which is a policy.

No one is downgrading medical residency. It's about do you have a PhD or you don't?

kitone:

Ignorance.phd is just 3yrs ofpaperwork.residency sents you back to school for another minimum of 6years training after medical school.which includes practical training and research.pls get your facts right.doctors need more of hands on training that just book work

You talk like an illiterate.