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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69(m): 7:13am On Mar 21
shadeyinka:

It started from here

From this:



My conclusion:
like the Berean Christians, we should all individually study the scriptures and not swallow anything our denomination say

Bereans continue to search the scriptures to be sure if what the Apostles are saying shows that Jesus was truly the expected Christ, the Bereans weren't asking for miraculous signs like you before accepting the truth.
And after they've found out that Jesus is truly the expected Messiah, they were ready to follow the orders of his Apostles and discontinue their association with Jewish religion (Judaism) wink
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 9:21am On Mar 21
Maximus69:


Bereans continue to search the scriptures to be sure if what the Apostles are saying shows that Jesus was truly the expected Christ, the Bereans weren't asking for miraculous signs like you before accepting the truth.
And after they've found out that Jesus is truly the expected Messiah, they were ready to follow the orders of his Apostles and discontinue their association with Jewish religion (Judaism) wink
In other words, the Bereans did not just accept the apostles doctrines UNTIL they had first come to independent conclusions concurrent with the SCRIPTURES!
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 9:34am On Mar 21
Maximus69:


When and how did the first century Christians Apostles continue to perform healing but failed to cure Timothy miraculously? 1Timothy 5:23 cheesy

Paul said the GIFTS will SEIZE but Christians will be recognized by the LOVE in their midst, THE GIFT OF HEALING WILL SEIZE! 1Corinthians 13:8-13

Jesus said false prophets will later begin to perform great signs (when true Christians no more do so) the evidence in Jesus'statement is (the signs will confuse even the born again Christians) if care is not taken.

How can someone deceive you with fake money when you're still having the original at hand? Is it not reasonable to conclude that during the time Jesus was speaking about true Christians would have stopped miraculous healings?

No wonder you expect everyone to accept you as a Christian because you drive out demons! Matthew 7:21-23 cheesy

Jehovah's Witnesses can never be fooled into accepting that, Jesus said the identification mark of his group will be LOVE found amongst them! John 13:34-35 compare to 1Corinthians 13:13 smiley

1Cor 13:8:
"Charity never fails. But if [there are] prophecies, they will be abolished; if tongues, they shall cease; if knowledge, it will be abolished. "

I assume knowledge too had disappeared and only love remain!

When people will not study the scriptures by themselves but listen to what some self acclaimed "replacement of the apostles" says!

You think God is obliged to heal anyone and everyone!? For Paul, his answer was "My grace is sufficient for you!". Jesus did not come to eliminate drugs or medicine. Healings and deliverance is more suitable in the mission fields rather than within the church.

You should have asked yourself WHEN the gifts are to CEASE!

"Powerless Apostles" will certainly give lame excuses!
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69(m): 9:41am On Mar 21
shadeyinka:

In other words, the Bereans did not just accept the apostles doctrines UNTIL they had first come to independent conclusions concurrent with the SCRIPTURES!

Of course they wholeheartedly subjected to the Apostolic doctrines AFTER seeing for themselves that what this 12 men are claiming about Jesus is true.

And they were ready to start obeying whatever instruction that comes from the Apostles.

Nobody is forced to accept Jesus but once we become Christians, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR INDEPENDENT RELIGOUS IDEAS! Matthew 16:24

If you're not ready to be submissive totally to the teachings of the Apostles, you're free to leave but that means you'll not be welcomed again as a believer by any true Christian home! 2John 10-11

The torture stake Mistranslated "CROSS" at Matthew 16:24 simply means whatever happens as a result of your becoming a Christian should be taken in good faith! John 15:4-10

Once you decides to become independent of what binds the Christian congregation together as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers make you become a branch that's not ready to remain with the tree, Jesus said HE WILL ORDER SUCH BRANCH TO BE CUT OFF! Matthew 7:19 smiley
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69(m): 9:49am On Mar 21
shadeyinka:


1Cor 13:8:
"Charity never fails. But if [there are] prophecies, they will be abolished; if tongues, they shall cease; if knowledge, it will be abolished. "

I assume knowledge too had disappeared and only love remain!

When people will not study the scriptures by themselves but listen to what some self acclaimed "replacement of the apostles" says!

You think God is obliged to heal anyone and everyone!? For Paul, his answer was "My grace is sufficient for you!". Jesus did not come to eliminate drugs or medicine. Healings and deliverance is more suitable in the mission fields rather than within the church.

You should have asked yourself WHEN the gifts are to CEASE!

"Powerless Apostles" will certainly give lame excuses!

Jesus began the miraculous works after almost 800 year of no miracles recorded in any part of Israel. The Apostles continue after him but gradually the gift was facing away.
Note that Jesus never attempted any healing that failed, it was his followers that began experiencing difficulties in healing themselves until the gift of healing finally SEIZED! smiley

The knowledge mentioned there is not about INSTRUCTIONS on what we have to do in carrying out our ministry as a congregation for we must continue taking instructions on how to preach and teach effectively as one family but teaching one another the principles of Christianity! Amongst Jehovah's Witnesses we all know God's judicial decisions before we get baptized as a Christian, so we no more teach one another that! smiley
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 9:56am On Mar 21
Maximus69:


Jesus began the miraculous works after almost 800 year of no miracles recorded in any part of Israel. The Apostles continue after him but gradually the gift was facing away.
Note that Jesus never attempted any healing that failed, it was his followers that began experiencing difficulties in healing themselves until the gift of healing finally SEIZED! smiley

The knowledge mentioned there is not about INSTRUCTIONS on what we have to do in carrying out our ministry as a congregation for we must continue taking instructions on how to preach and teach effectively as one family but teaching one another the principles of Christianity! Amongst Jehovah's Witnesses we all know God's judicial decisions before we get baptized as a Christian, so we no more teach one another that! smiley
I said:
I assume knowledge too had disappeared and only love remain!?

If prophecies no longer exist and what is seen now is FAKE, the same argument goes for KNOWLEDGE. Don't you think so?
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 10:01am On Mar 21
Maximus69:


Jesus began the miraculous works after almost 800 year of no miracles recorded in any part of Israel. The Apostles continue after him but gradually the gift was facing away.
Note that Jesus never attempted any healing that failed, it was his followers that began experiencing difficulties in healing themselves until the gift of healing finally SEIZED! smiley

The knowledge mentioned there is not about INSTRUCTIONS on what we have to do in carrying out our ministry as a congregation for we must continue taking instructions on how to preach and teach effectively as one family but teaching one another the principles of Christianity! Amongst Jehovah's Witnesses we all know God's judicial decisions before we get baptized as a Christian, so we no more teach one another that! smiley

Your interpretation and conclusion that miracles and prophecies has ceased can only be true if you can show that knowledge too had disappeared and only love remain!

When was the gifts supposed to cease? (At least they were operating in the apostles time)
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69(m): 10:59am On Mar 21
shadeyinka:


Your interpretation and conclusion that miracles and prophecies has ceased can only be true if you can show that knowledge too had disappeared and only love remain!

When was the gifts supposed to cease? (At least they were operating in the apostles time)


In the first century Jesus said the GIFTS will help the Jews (take note) NOT gentiles like you and i, to recognize those in the Newly established covenant! Jeremiah 31-34

But as the good news is going to the gentiles (who have no part in former covenant) the GIFTS will no more be needed! Because a loyal Jew will still be holding onto the former covenant if there is no sign to prove that the former covenant has been trashed!
Notice that the Jews who embraced Christianity at Pentecost did so after seeing what God's word foretold will be a sign that a new covenant has just been established! Act 2:15-21 compare to Joel 2:28


GIFTS gradually diminish while FRUITS keep growing!

GIFTS
©Healing.
©Speaking in tongues.
©Visions.
©Prophesying.
©Knowledge~ to know God's law much more than a fellow worshiper and becoming a Rabbi(teacher) teaching them God's Judicial decisions.

FRUITS
©Love
©Joy
©Peace
©Patience
©Goodness
©Kindness
©Faith
©Mildness
©Self-control

All those GIFTS have seize but the FRUITS continue to permeates God's organization globally!

That's how to recognize God's people today, unlike what the Jews(who were taught totally different ideas from what we know as Christianity) believed before!
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69(m): 11:12am On Mar 21
shadeyinka:

I said:
I assume knowledge too had disappeared and only love remain!?

If prophecies no longer exist and what is seen now is FAKE, the same argument goes for KNOWLEDGE. Don't you think so?

The first century Jew who became Christians needed knowledge, because what they knew about God, Worship, Standards and who is their neighbour has changed!
For instance, God's word said they should swear in God's name {Deuteronomy 10:20} but Jesus said Christians shouldn't swear at all {Matthew 5:34}
So interested Jews needed continuously learning Godly principles that Jesus taught Christians(KNOWLEDGE) but what about the gentiles?
They no more needed all that because they must have learnt all the commandments of Jesus before getting baptized as Christians! Matthew 28:19-20

So no Christian need to teach another Christian God's laws because we've been taught all that God's only begotten commanded!

That's exactly what is happening amongst Jehovah's Witnesses today!

So each member of Jehovah's Witnesses knows what to and what not to do, what we gather for today is instructions on how to preach and teach in an ORGANIZED manner no more (KNOWLEDGE)! cheesy
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69(m): 11:24am On Mar 21
@Shadeyinka.

Notice that Paul never said WISDOM will be done away with but KNOWLEDGE! smiley

Well KNOWLEDGE has been defined as

~the accumulation of useful information.


While WISDOM on the other hand is

~the practical application of accumulated info for lasting benefits!

Christians will continue to need WISDOM, this will enable them to do things orderly and to be well organized as a family!

But before then each member must have the accumulated useful information (KNOWLEDGE), it's the practical application for lasting benefits (WISDOM) that we must come together so that God's holy spirit will direct us in doing that when we pray together as a family! smiley
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 12:05pm On Mar 21
Maximus69:
@Shadeyinka.

Notice that Paul never said WISDOM will be done away with but KNOWLEDGE! smiley

Well KNOWLEDGE has been defined as

~the accumulation of useful information.


While WISDOM on the other hand is

~the practical application of accumulated info for lasting benefits!

Christians will continue to need WISDOM, this will enable them to do things orderly and to be well organized as a family!

But before then each member must have the accumulated useful information (KNOWLEDGE), it's the practical application for lasting benefits (WISDOM) that we must come together so that God's holy spirit will direct us in doing that when we pray together as a family! smiley
Following your argument. There are so many spiritual gifts and callings that were not mentioned

1Cor 13:8:
"Charity never fails. But if [there are] prophecies, they will be abolished; if tongues, they shall cease; if knowledge, it will be abolished. "

From your argument, we can infer that ONLY prophecies, tongues and knowledge will be abolished/ceased!


By your argument, Wisdom, Miracles, Faith, Healings, Powers, Discernment of Spirits should still remain!?

1Cor 12:7-10:
"But to each one is given the showing forth of the Spirit to [our] profit. For through the Spirit is given to one a word of wisdom ; and to another a word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit; and to another faith by the same Spirit; and to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; and to another workings of powers, to another prophecy; and to another discerning of spirits; and to another kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues."

If wisdom exist because it wasn't mentioned in 1Cor 13:8, then how does the others mentioned here be pronounced as ceased?

Maximus69:


In the first century Jesus said the GIFTS will help the Jews (take note) NOT gentiles like you and i, to recognize those in the Newly established covenant! Jeremiah 31-34

But as the good news is going to the gentiles (who have no part in former covenant) the GIFTS will no more be needed! Because a loyal Jew will still be holding onto the former covenant if there is no sign to prove that the former covenant has been trashed!
Notice that the Jews who embraced Christianity at Pentecost did so after seeing what God's word foretold will be a sign that a new covenant has just been established! Act 2:15-21 compare to Joel 2:28


GIFTS gradually diminish while FRUITS keep growing!

GIFTS
©Healing.
©Speaking in tongues.
©Visions.
©Prophesying.
©Knowledge~ to know God's law much more than a fellow worshiper and becoming a Rabbi(teacher) teaching them God's Judicial decisions.

FRUITS
©Love
©Joy
©Peace
©Patience
©Goodness
©Kindness
©Faith
©Mildness
©Self-control

All those GIFTS have seize but the FRUITS continue to permeates God's organization globally!

That's how to recognize God's people today, unlike what the Jews(who were taught totally different ideas from what we know as Christianity) believed before!

Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 12:12pm On Mar 21
Maximus69:


The first century Jew who became Christians needed knowledge, because what they knew about God, Worship, Standards and who is their neighbour has changed!
For instance, God's word said they should swear in God's name {Deuteronomy 10:20} but Jesus said Christians shouldn't swear at all {Matthew 5:34}
So interested Jews needed continuously learning Godly principles that Jesus taught Christians(KNOWLEDGE) but what about the gentiles?
They no more needed all that because they must have learnt all the commandments of Jesus before getting baptized as Christians! Matthew 28:19-20

So no Christian need to teach another Christian God's laws because we've been taught all that God's only begotten commanded!

That's exactly what is happening amongst Jehovah's Witnesses today!

So each member of Jehovah's Witnesses knows what to and what not to do, what we gather for today is instructions on how to preach and teach in an ORGANIZED manner no more (KNOWLEDGE)! cheesy
So when was the custodian of the correct knowledge instituted? 1870!?

2 Pet 1:5-8:
"And besides this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue, knowledge ; and to knowledge, temperance; and to temperance, patience; and to patience, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ."

If knowledge had ceased, why the command to add knowledge to our Faith?
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69(m): 12:31pm On Mar 21
shadeyinka:

Following your argument. There are so many spiritual gifts and callings that were not mentioned

1Cor 13:8:
"Charity never fails. But if [there are] prophecies, they will be abolished; if tongues, they shall cease; if knowledge, it will be abolished. "

From your argument, we can infer that ONLY prophecies, tongues and knowledge will be abolished/ceased!


By your argument, Wisdom, [/b]Miracles, Faith, Healings, Powers, Discernment of Spirits should still remain!?

[b]1Cor 12:7-10:

"But to each one is given the showing forth of the Spirit to [our] profit. For through the Spirit is given to one a word of wisdom ; and to another a word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit; and to another faith by the same Spirit; and to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; and to another workings of powers, to another prophecy; and to another discerning of spirits; and to another kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues."

If wisdom exist because it wasn't mentioned in 1Cor 13:8, then how does the others mentioned here be pronounced as ceased?


WISDOM will always be needed to make people coming from different races, background and social status who wants to obey the same kind of rules work together!
That's what will make the same line of thought possible even though we are from different ethnic groups and languages!

WISDOM is part of the four predominant attributes of God!

Note the faces of the four living creatures standing around God's heavenly throne!
LION face meaning JUSTICE
HUMAN face meaning LOVE
BULL face meaning ENERGY
EAGLE face meaning WISDOM
Revelations 4:7

God's organization must possess this four qualities at all times!

Lion means there is no nepotism amongst God's people, whoever is qualified for something is the one that will be chosen, so don't come and ask "when will it be the turn of so and so race?"

Human means there is love permeating God's people and everyone will notice it, but they'll only be agitating asking "why is the same not happening in our midst?" Or "why are they not extending the same kind of love towards people who are not their members?"

Bull means God's organization will be working out what seems impossible in the midst of people who aren't supposed to be working together as one family, that's ENERGY (POWER) of God's holy spirit WORKING out what all eyes can see!

Eagle means God's people will always do things that all others will continue to wonder "from where are they getting all these sense to maneuver when others are hooked or confused?"

That's why you need to distinguish between GIFTS of a tree and it's FRUITS!

A GIFTED tree may look good, big, having beautiful leaves and nice smell, but if it's FRUIT is useless nobody will invest on it!

That's what Jesus meant by GIFT and FRUIT! Matthew 7:16-18
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69(m): 12:41pm On Mar 21
shadeyinka:

So when was the custodian of the correct knowledge instituted? 1870!?

2 Pet 1:5-8:
"And besides this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue, knowledge ; and to knowledge, temperance; and to temperance, patience; and to patience, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ."

If knowledge had ceased, why the command to add knowledge to our Faith?

Knowledge here is what each Christian needed NOT for his own personal use again because that's what we've swallowed before baptism, but in order to help interested ones out there who still need knowledge about how God began all these things, what led to our troubles on earth and what God is planning to end all our suffering.

Note that VIRTUE was mentioned first before KNOWLEDGE, because it's our virtuous deeds as God's children that will attract interested ones to beg for the KNOWLEDGE!

When we visit people in their homes, they are attracted to listen and learn from us not just because of our sweet presentation but because of the things they've seen and heard about Jehovah's Witnesses behavior in their neighbourhood!

A man (Muslim) asked his four daughters to study the Bible with us, because he loves the way our young girls are doing in his neighbourhood, and he wants his own children to emulate them, in other words he has noticed the VIRTUE now he's begging for the KNOWLEDGE! smiley
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 2:01pm On Mar 21
Maximus69:


Knowledge here is what each Christian needed NOT for his own personal use again because that's what we've swallowed before baptism, but in order to help interested ones out there who still need knowledge about how God began all these things, what led to our troubles on earth and what God is planning to end all our suffering.

Note that VIRTUE was mentioned first before KNOWLEDGE, because it's our virtuous deeds as God's children that will attract interested ones to beg for the KNOWLEDGE!

When we visit people in their homes, they are attracted to listen and learn from us not just because of our sweet presentation but because of the things they've seen and heard about Jehovah's Witnesses behavior in their neighbourhood!

A man (Muslim) asked his four daughters to study the Bible with us, because he loves the way our young girls are doing in his neighbourhood, and he wants his own children to emulate them, in other words he has noticed the VIRTUE now he's begging for the KNOWLEDGE! smiley
So, you have to redefine what the "word of knowledge" means after acclaiming that wisdom wasn't "banned" in 1Cor13:8? SMH!
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 2:16pm On Mar 21
Maximus69:


WISDOM will always be needed to make people coming from different races, background and social status who wants to obey the same kind of rules work together!
That's what will make the same line of thought possible even though we are from different ethnic groups and languages!

WISDOM is part of the four predominant attributes of God!

Note the faces of the four living creatures standing around God's heavenly throne!
LION face meaning JUSTICE
HUMAN face meaning LOVE
BULL face meaning ENERGY
EAGLE face meaning WISDOM
Revelations 4:7

God's organization must possess this four qualities at all times!

Lion means there is no nepotism amongst God's people, whoever is qualified for something is the one that will be chosen, so don't come and ask "when will it be the turn of so and so race?"

Human means there is love permeating God's people and everyone will notice it, but they'll only be agitating asking "why is the same not happening in our midst?" Or "why are they not extending the same kind of love towards people who are not their members?"

Bull means God's organization will be working out what seems impossible in the midst of people who aren't supposed to be working together as one family, that's ENERGY (POWER) of God's holy spirit WORKING out what all eyes can see!

Eagle means God's people will always do things that all others will continue to wonder "from where are they getting all these sense to maneuver when others are hooked or confused?"

That's why you need to distinguish between GIFTS of a tree and it's FRUITS!

A GIFTED tree may look good, big, having beautiful leaves and nice smell, but if it's FRUIT is useless nobody will invest on it!

That's what Jesus meant by GIFT and FRUIT! Matthew 7:16-18




See how you left the issues at stake to cover-up under multitudes of texts.
shadeyinka:

Following your argument. There are so many spiritual gifts and callings that were not mentioned

1Cor 13:8:
"Charity never fails. But if [there are] prophecies, they will be abolished; if tongues, they shall cease; if knowledge, it will be abolished. "

From your argument, we can infer that ONLY prophecies, tongues and knowledge will be abolished/ceased!


By your argument, Wisdom, Miracles, Faith, Healings, Powers, Discernment of Spirits should still remain!?

1Cor 12:7-10:
"But to each one is given the showing forth of the Spirit to [our] profit. For through the Spirit is given to one a word of wisdom ; and to another a word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit; and to another faith by the same Spirit; and to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; and to another workings of powers, to another prophecy; and to another discerning of spirits; and to another kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues."

If wisdom exist because it wasn't mentioned in 1Cor 13:8, then how does the others mentioned here be pronounced as ceased?

Issues:
1. Following your argument.

Maximus69:
@Shadeyinka.

Notice that Paul never said WISDOM will be done away with but KNOWLEDGE! smiley.....

There are so many spiritual gifts and callings that were not also mentioned. Can we do those were or not done away with too?

By your argument, Wisdom, Miracles, Faith, Healings, Powers, Discernment of Spirits should still remain!?

2. If wisdom exist because it wasn't mentioned in 1Cor 13:8, then how does the others mentioned here be pronounced as ceased?
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69(m): 4:25pm On Mar 21
shadeyinka:

See how you left the issues at stake to cover-up under multitudes of texts.

Issues:
1. Following your argument.



There are so many spiritual gifts and callings that were not also mentioned. Can we do those were or not done away with too?

By your argument, Wisdom, Miracles, Faith, Healings, Powers, Discernment of Spirits should still remain!?

2. If wisdom exist because it wasn't mentioned in 1Cor 13:8, then how does the others mentioned here be pronounced as ceased?

It's not compulsory we all accept this, only those who do becomes a family in THE SAME FAITH!

So choose however you'll apply God's word since it's not by force to adopt this same line of thought! smiley
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 4:55pm On Mar 21
Maximus69:


It's not compulsory we all accept this, only those who do becomes a family in THE SAME FAITH!

So choose however you'll apply God's word since it's not by force to adopt this same line of thought! smiley
I get you. Only those who look away from the scriptures and without question swallowing the teachings of a group of "unordained, uncalled, self-appointed, powerless and unsent so-called apostle's replacement" can take your kind of position.

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69(m): 5:48pm On Mar 21
shadeyinka:

I get you. Only those who look away from the scriptures and without question swallowing the teachings of a group of "unordained, uncalled, self-appointed, powerless and unsent so-called apostle's replacement" can take your kind of position.

After showing the scriptural understanding backing UNITY amongst worshipers,you're just after flimsy excuses so as not to be submissive in anyway! cheesy
My friend, if you happens to be alive amongst those antagonist Jews when Jesus was here, you'll find 1001 reasons not to subject yourself to his teachings! cheesy

Do you think FAITH must present everything before you in black and white?

If truly you have LOVE for God there are so many things you'll overlook, because if you want everything to happen exactly as you think then you'll always remain a self assumed believer.

But the secret is you're judging yourself as you want to TEACH others what they should do as Christians whereas you are not ready to submit yourself to the teaching of any specific group! cheesy
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by MuttleyLaff: 6:27pm On Mar 21
shadeyinka:
I get you. Only those who look away from the scriptures and without question swallowing the teachings of a group of "unordained, uncalled, self-appointed, powerless and unsent so-called apostle's replacement" can take your kind of position.
Are you perchance also getting that those eight deluded men in Warwick, New York, USA, think they are God’s greatest gift to mankind, hmm, lol?.

Why wouldnt those who look away from the scriptures and without question, swallow the teachings of a group of "unordained, uncalled, self-appointed, powerless and unsent so-called apostle's replacement" who have deceived them into adopting and/or thinking that they, the eight deluded men, are the best thing since sliced bread, erhn, lol, hmm?
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 6:46pm On Mar 21
MuttleyLaff:
Are you perchance also getting that those eight deluded men in Warwick, New York, USA, think they are God’s greatest gift to mankind, hmm, lol?.

Why wouldnt those who look away from the scriptures and without question, swallow the teachings of a group of "unordained, uncalled, self-appointed, powerless and unsent so-called apostle's replacement" who have deceived them into adopting and/or thinking that they, the eight deluded men, are the best thing since sliced bread, erhn, lol, hmm?
Long time Bro!
I don't know how many they are: all I know is that these people have replaced Christ in the lives of those who have fallen into their delusion and mind enslavement.

For me, I do not depend on anyone of them for my spiritual needs. Non of them (the American big time Pastors) are my spiritual mentors. Neither do I have spiritual mentors among the big Nigerian Pastors.

I have learnt in bits and pieces from several sources. There are many unknown brothers and sisters that had helped me mostly indirectly in my spiritual growth and for those I am forever grateful.

Thanks for concluding my last paragraph. LOL...best thing since sliced bread indeed!

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 7:02pm On Mar 21
Maximus69:


After showing the scriptural understanding backing UNITY amongst worshipers,you're just after flimsy excuses so as not to be submissive in anyway! cheesy
My friend, if you happens to be alive amongst those antagonist Jews when Jesus was here, you'll find 1001 reasons not to subject yourself to his teachings! cheesy

Do you think FAITH must present everything before you in black and white?

If truly you have LOVE for God there are so many things you'll overlook, because if you want everything to happen exactly as you think then you'll always remain a self assumed believer.

But the secret is you're judging yourself as you want to TEACH others what they should do as Christians whereas you are not ready to submit yourself to the teaching of any specific group! cheesy
I'll rather submit to the teachings of Christ Himself than submit my eternity to those who are 10 times candidates of hell fire. They are not saved yet they decieve and enslave innocent human beings created in the image of God to miss salvation through Christ.

The scripture below describes them as False Apostles who transform themselves into apostles of Christ
2 Cor 11:13:
"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers , transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ."

They are called deceitful workers because they imitate good works to entrap the simple.
And their purpose is to bring men into bondage (bound to the organisation). Unable to think for themselves

Gal 2:4:
"and that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:"
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69(m): 8:30pm On Mar 21
shadeyinka:

I'll rather submit to the teachings of Christ Himself than submit my eternity to those who are 10 times candidates of hell fire. They are not saved yet they decieve and enslave innocent human beings created in the image of God to miss salvation through Christ.

The scripture below describes them as False Apostles who transform themselves into apostles of Christ
2 Cor 11:13:
"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers , transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ."

They are called deceitful workers because they imitate good works to entrap the simple.
And their purpose is to bring men into bondage (bound to the organisation). Unable to think for themselves

Gal 2:4:
"and that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:"

It's well my friend!

Nobody is under obligation to submit to anyone or any group, each person knows why he chose certain course in life.

So if you're sure of what you are doing, it's OK.

Thank you! smiley
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by MuttleyLaff: 8:30pm On Mar 21
shadeyinka:
Long time Bro!
I do not depend on anyone of them for my spiritual needs. Non of them I my spiritual mentor. Neither do I have spiritual mentors among the big Nigerian Pastors.

I have learnt in bits and pieces from several sources. There are many unknown brothers and sisters that had helped me mostly indirectly in my spiritual growth and for those I am forever grateful.

Thanks for concluding my last paragraph. LOL...best thing since sliced bread indeed!
One of my dearest and favourite brothers here on Nairaland, shhh, in the house of the hanged man, dont mention the rope. Dont mention zombie, in barracks, lol.

The bird is known by its flight, lol. The bird is known by its droppings. You can judge someone based on his surroundings. For instance, a person living in a barracks, hmm, if not careful, possibly, oh dear, is person that has been zombiefied! lol. Whomsoever the cap fits, wear, lol. The cat knows whose meat it has eaten, lol. A guilty conscience needs no accuser.

Watch this space, lol. Any responder who knows they have done wrong, will reveal their guilt by the things they'll sooner or later, come on here to say because of the way they've interpreted what's being said here by others, lol. Most men would rather back away from a hard home truth than to face it and death stare it "korokoro" in the eyes, lol.

shadeyinka, I am going to be totally frank with you, there is nothing wrong in having spiritual mentors. As for, big Nigerian Pastors and/or big elsewhere all around the world Pastors, well, sometimes they dig wells, useful to drink water from, but having said that, if out of the mouth a donkey, sense comes out, then therefore means, I can listen and do hear them out, but the very moment I sense bones in my mouth when eating, I immediately roll it/them off from the fish/chicken/meat/turkey and unceremoniously spit it/them out, lol.

Live for a century, learn for a century. Iron sharpens iron, and a man sharpens the person of his neighbor, so says, Proverbs 27:17. With company, even death loses its sting. We are to learn and/or to learn from each other, as long as we live, lol.

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 9:06pm On Mar 21
MuttleyLaff:
One of my dearest and favourite brothers here on Nairaland, shhh, in the house of the hanged man, dont mention the rope. Dont mention zombie, in barracks, lol.

The bird is known by its flight, lol. The bird is known by its droppings. You can judge someone based on his surroundings. For instance, a person living in a barracks, hmm, if not careful, possibly, oh dear, is person that has been zombiefied! lol. Whomsoever the cap fits, wear, lol. The cat knows whose meat it has eaten, lol. A guilty conscience needs no accuser.

Watch this space, lol. Any responder who knows they have done wrong, will reveal their guilt by the things they'll sooner or later, come on here to say because of the way they've interpreted what's being said here by others, lol. Most men would rather back away from a hard home truth than to face it and death stare it "korokoro" in the eyes, lol.

shadeyinka, I am going to be totally frank with you, there is nothing wrong in having spiritual mentors. As for, big Nigerian Pastors and/or big elsewhere all around the world Pastors, well, sometimes they dig wells, useful to drink water from, but having said that, if out of the mouth a donkey, sense comes out, then therefore means, I can listen and do hear them out, but the very moment I sense bones in my mouth when eating, I immediately roll it/them off from the fish/chicken/meat/turkey and unceremoniously spit it/them out, lol.

Live for a century, learn for a century. Iron sharpens iron, and a man sharpens the person of his neighbor, so says, Proverbs 27:17. With company, even death loses its sting. We are to learn and/or to learn from each other, as long as we live, lol.
I agree with you. There may be nothing wrong with having big men of God as mentors unfortunately, me, I don't. The unknown men of God have contributed more to my life than the known names.

Let anyone who depends on another for his salvation other than Christ feel the pepper!

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 9:07pm On Mar 21
Maximus69:


It's well my friend!

Nobody is under obligation to submit to anyone or any group, each person knows why he chose certain course in life.

So if you're sure of what you are doing, it's OK.

Thank you! smiley
One of the best side of you in a long while. I hope it can continue in this manner
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:26pm On Mar 21
shadeyinka:

It started from here

From this:



My conclusion:
like the Berean Christians, we should all individually study the scriptures and not swallow anything our denomination say


True

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:30pm On Mar 21
shadeyinka:

There is no reason for A Sunday worship.

Rom 14:5-6:
"One indeed esteems a day above [another] day; and [another] esteems every day [alike]. Let each one be fully assured in his own mind. He who regards the day regards [it] to the Lord; and he not regarding the day, does not regard [it] to the Lord. He who eats, eats to [the] Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, does not eat to [the Lord, and gives God thanks."

For those who boast in observance of the law,

Jam 2:10:
"For whoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all."


This is not referring to the weekly sabbath day which was insistuted by God. before sin entered the World.

This bible verse is talking about the ceremonial Sabbaths that where added because of sin and has been abolished on the cross.

The same Paul also told Chritains that there is a sabbath of rest.




There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone
who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from
his. Hebrews 4:9-10 | NIV
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by MuttleyLaff: 12:36am On Mar 22
shadeyinka:
I agree with you. There may be nothing wrong with having big men of God as mentors unfortunately, me, I don't. The unknown men of God have contributed more to my life than the known names.

Let anyone who depends on another for his salvation other than Christ feel the pepper!
A wise man/woman can learn more from a foolish moG than a foolish moG can learn from what the little the wise man/woman has got to know about, lol

To be honest with you shadeyinka, I have never met any big moG so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from, lol
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by MuttleyLaff: 12:46am On Mar 22
shadeyinka:
One of the best side of you in a long while. I hope it can continue in this manner

You really dont know this chap sha and the cunning man ways employed, learned from when he was in secular active service of course, hmm.

That's the classic ol' wolf tactic, he's played on you, lol, do the cajoling, look submissive, appear docile and small, all in a plan to lure a hunt/prey into a false sense of confidence etcetera, lol. The classic pseudo innocent looking/appearing outward behaviour and/or bearing, that masks a multitude of sins and hides much guilt. The dossier on him easily stretches from Lagos to Kafanchan, lol.

Watch this space, his bossman, sergeant major, will sooner than later turn up, on behalf of him, to do some firefighting and then after turn to pat him on the back with glowing comments.

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69(m): 5:39am On Mar 22
shadeyinka:

One of the best side of you in a long while. I hope it can continue in this manner

©Who is Jesus?
~God's only begotten son!

©Do you know him?
~Of course i do, he's my Lord!

©So do you have a personal relationship with him?
~Sure i deal with him in the best way i know!

©How can Jesus' friends RECOGNIZE one another?
~That's difficult because each person CHOOSES the way he will deal with Jesus!

This has always being the way Jehovah's Witnesses discuss with people to know if we can relate as brothers in FAITH!

Note that there can't be anything like worship (whole soul sacred service) binding the two persons chatting in my illustration! So are they brothers in Christ?

Well consider another illustration.

©Who is Jesus?
~He is God's only begotten son!

©Do you know him?
~Well to the best of my knowledge!

©What do you mean by that?
~I will like to know him better, if that's possible!

©In what way?
~By associating with Jesus' friends and rubbing minds with them!

©How can we RECOGNIZE Jesus' friends?
~I think he said something about that, let's consider it in the scriptures!

By so doing both will discuss about what Jesus asked his followers to be doing and how they can join Jesus' friends in doing it.
With this second illustration, this two will surely become brothers in FAITH, as they're both prepared to WORK together with Jesus' friends.
Of course Jesus' friends must be ORGANIZED, and the two friends shouldn't be expecting PERFECTION from Jesus' friend, because if they do they will need to go their separate ways since PERFECTION is what they're demanding and no one is perfect.
So it means each will have to be ON HIS OWN claiming friend of Jesus without any organized setting in doing the work Jesus assigned to his friends! smiley
Thanks for your time! smiley
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 10:02am On Mar 22
blueAgent:

This is not referring to the weekly sabbath day which was insistuted by God. before sin entered the World.

This bible verse is talking about the ceremonial Sabbaths that where added because of sin and has been abolished on the cross.

The same Paul also told Chritains that there is a sabbath of rest.

There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone
who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from
his. Hebrews 4:9-10 | NIV
The Sabbath rest refers to the he end of the age in paradise!
At that time no one has to do even the works of righteousness!

Those who seek to be justified by observing the laws should note James2:10.
Jam 2:10:
"For whoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all."

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