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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 3:14pm On Mar 23
shadeyinka:

Are you implying that the 10 commandments are superior to other laws?
Have you noted that the greatest commandment (according to Jesus) is not even among the ten commandments?
Deut 6:4-7
4 “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!
5 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.

The summary of those who choose to be justified by Law is this:
Jam 2:10:
"For whoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all. "

Is the whole law the 10 commandments?



Which other law prohibits or forbids sin other than the 10 commandments?

The problem is you quote bible verses you don't understand and you do it out of context.


If you love God with all your heart and Soul you will willingly obey his commandments.

Stop be deceived.

Keeping the commandments is a must, for you to enter Heaven.


1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1 John 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 3:28pm On Mar 23
Maximus69:


So you mean it is the churches that came in less than 500 years now that changed people's minds against God's WRITTEN laws? cheesy

Well you're just jumping up and down in your response as you've concluded that those laws are useless since humans were created with CONSCIENCE! cheesy

So we don't need any laws as long as all of us possess God's given conscience! smiley

You see how you frame people?

where did I say the law is useless?

The law is binding on everyone God has created.

Some have privilege of knowing the law like Christians compared to a Buddhist, but God will judge those who do not have the privilege of having the law by their conscience.

This is what God's word says not me.

For those who have and know the law it is a sin not to obey it.


James 4:17
Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it
is sin.


You cannot justify that the law is no longer valid because not everyone has the privilege to know it.
mind you the law is impressed on our conscience, whether we know it verbally or written or not.

Show me one law there in the 10 that is no longer relevant and show me why it is no longer and on whose authority is that.

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 3:46pm On Mar 23
blueAgent:




Which other law prohibits or forbids sin other than the 10 commandments?

The problem is you quote bible verses you don't understand and you do it out of context.


If you love God with all your heart and Soul you will willingly obey his commandments.

Stop be deceived.

Keeping the commandments is a must, for you to enter Heaven.


1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1 John 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


I have no problems with keeping commands especially those that aren't Cleanliness or Ceremonial by nature.

I esteem each day as equal and Sunday is not in anyway superior to Tuesday or Thursday.
Rom 14:5-6:
"One man esteems one day above another: another esteems every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regards the day, regards it to the Lord; and he that regards not the day, to the Lord he does not regard it. He that eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he that eats not, to the Lord he eats not, and gives God thanks."

On the above scripture, I stand.

I asked you about Circumcision as a command with a grievous consequence. How come Titus was NOT circumcised? Is that not part of the Law?
Rom 14:2,22-23:
"For one believes that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eats herbs. …
.....
Have you faith? have it to yourself before God. Happy is he that comdemns not himself in that thing which he allows. And he that doubts is damned if he eat, because he eats not of faith: for whatever is not of faith is sin."

If your faith cannot carry it, do according to your level.

But what does the scriptures say:
1. Faith in Christ makes you justified of ALL things which could not be justified by the law of Moses

Acts 13:39: "And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses."

2. No human beings can be justified BY observing the Law
Rom 3:20: "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."

3. A man is justified without following the Law of Moses

Rom 3:28: "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

4. We are not justified by obeying the laws of Moses but by Faith in Christ Jesus

Gal 2:16: "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

5. No human being is Justified by the law of Moses
Gal 3:11: "But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith."

6. If you still seek to be justified by the law of Moses, you have fallen from grace
Gal 5:4: "Christ is become of no effect to you, whoever of you are justified by the law; you are fallen from grace."

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 3:48pm On Mar 23
blueAgent:


You see how you frame people?

where did I say the law is useless?

The law is binding on everyone God has created.

Some have privilege of knowing the law like Christians compared to a Buddhist, but God will judge those who do not have the privilege of having the law by their conscience.

This is what God's word says not me.

For those who have and know the law it is a sin not to obey it.


James 4:17
Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it
is sin.


You can justify that the law is no longer valid because not everyone has the privilege to know it.
mind you the law is impressed on our conscience, whether we know it verbally or written or not.

Show me one law there in the 10 that is no longer relevant and show me why it is no longer and on whose authority is that.

God doesn't use double standard my friend!
If it's the law that will qualify people for everlasting life then everyone must know it, and if it's conscience then so be it.

It's your understanding of what you're reading that has flaws NOT God's word!

I've told you that whether those who lived by the MOSAIC LAWS or those who lived by CONSCIENCE, all will still come to learn the law of Christ.

Those who knew God's laws will be known as righteous while those who lived by conscience as unrighteous!

That's why we need 1,000 years of Christ reign to balance everything, before God declares everlasting life for those who survive it all!

Notice what Revelation 20:5-6 said, born again Christians are the only ones who will not need any further scrutiny as for everlasting life. But all others must be judged by what Jesus later taught us, that's why the Bible is divided into two parts, the Old Testament and the New Testament. All those who lived by the Old Testament must be taught the law of Christ and those who never knew God's law but lived by conscience!

For your information it is the scrolls that were later written (compiled)~ Revelation 20:12

The first scrolls opened means what Jesus taught Christians, the book of life (second book) means God's memory book regarding those who later accepted Jesus' teachings. Malachi 3:16

Nobody will enter God's kingdom without first accepting Jesus' teachings! Philippians 2:10
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 7:34pm On Mar 23
Maximus69:


God doesn't use double standard my friend!
If it's the law that will qualify people for everlasting life then everyone must know it, and if it's conscience then so be it.

It's your understanding of what you're reading that has flaws NOT God's word!

I've told you that whether those who lived by the MOSAIC LAWS or those who lived by CONSCIENCE, all will still come to learn the law of Christ.

Those who knew God's laws will be known as righteous while those who lived by conscience as unrighteous!

That's why we need 1,000 years of Christ reign to balance everything, before God declares everlasting life for those who survive it all!

Notice what Revelation 20:5-6 said, born again Christians are the only ones who will not need any further scrutiny as for everlasting life. But all others must be judged by what Jesus later taught us, that's why the Bible is divided into two parts, the Old Testament and the New Testament. All those who lived by the Old Testament must be taught the law of Christ and those who never knew God's law but lived by conscience!

For your information it is the scrolls that were later written (compiled)~ Revelation 20:12

The first scrolls opened means what Jesus taught Christians, the book of life (second book) means God's memory book regarding those who later accepted Jesus' teachings. Malachi 3:16

Nobody will enter God's kingdom without first accepting Jesus' teachings! Philippians 2:10



This is total crap.
Jesus never taught anything new, all he said and taught people were things the prophets had already taught them.

There is no single evidence for all this things you wrote here, pure human reasoning and false teachings.

It is not double standard. its the same law and standard that God will use to judge everyone, what will be different is that God will judge people by the amount or knowledge of God and his law, which they had available to them.


Thats what God will consider.

Weather law or conscience both are based on the principles of God's law.

The only difference is that one knows it by teaching and hearing it, why the other knows it by their instincts which is their conscience.

Here is Jesus comparing the Judgment of Sodom and Tyre based on the work of God done in each city.

Luke 10:12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city. 10:13 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. 10:14 But it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment, than for you. 10:15 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell. 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 7:49pm On Mar 23
shadeyinka:

I have no problems with keeping commands especially those that aren't Cleanliness or Ceremonial by nature.

I esteem each day as equal and Sunday is not in anyway superior to Tuesday or Thursday.
Rom 14:5-6:
"One man esteems one day above another: another esteems every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regards the day, regards it to the Lord; and he that regards not the day, to the Lord he does not regard it. He that eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he that eats not, to the Lord he eats not, and gives God thanks."

On the above scripture, I stand.

I asked you about Circumcision as a command with a grievous consequence. How come Titus was NOT circumcised? Is that not part of the Law?
Rom 14:2,22-23:
"For one believes that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eats herbs. …
.....
Have you faith? have it to yourself before God. Happy is he that comdemns not himself in that thing which he allows. And he that doubts is damned if he eat, because he eats not of faith: for whatever is not of faith is sin."

If your faith cannot carry it, do according to your level.

But what does the scriptures say:
1. Faith in Christ makes you justified of ALL things which could not be justified by the law of Moses

Acts 13:39: "And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses."

2. No human beings can be justified BY observing the Law
Rom 3:20: "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."

3. A man is justified without following the Law of Moses

Rom 3:28: "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

4. We are not justified by obeying the laws of Moses but by Faith in Christ Jesus

Gal 2:16: "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

5. No human being is Justified by the law of Moses
Gal 3:11: "But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith."

6. If you still seek to be justified by the law of Moses, you have fallen from grace
Gal 5:4: "Christ is become of no effect to you, whoever of you are justified by the law; you are fallen from grace."


Its obvious you are confusing the Law of God with the Law of Moses.

They are both different laws that serve different purpose.
Stop mixing them up.


There are 6 differences between God laws and Mosaic Law.
If a person fails to differentiate these laws, s/he gets confused with
which part of the law applies to him/her.
God laws are the Ten Commandments found in Exodus 20 while
Mosaic Law are all other Old Testament laws found in the Torah or
Pentateuch books (first five books of the bible).
6 Differences between God laws and Mosaic
Law
The 6 differences are; –
1. God laws were audibly spoken by God at Mount Sinai Ex 19:9, 20:1
And the LORD said to Moses, Lo, I come to you in a thick cloud,
that the people may hear when I speak with you, and believe you
for ever. And God spoke all these words, saying… While Moses
laws were not given audibly but given to Moses privately.
2. God laws were directly written by the figure of God on table stones
Ex 31:18: And he gave to Moses, when he had made an end of
communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony,
tables of stone, written with the finger of God , while the Law of
Moses was not written by God but by Moses inspired by God Deut
31:9 And Moses wrote this law.
3. It is God who commanded His laws in Mount. Sinai Deut 4:13-14:
And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you
to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two
tables of stone. And the LORD commanded me at that time to
teach you statutes and judgments, that you might do them in the
land which you go over to possess it. While Moses commanded his
laws (the statutes and judgments) to the children of Israel. Notice
the two different commanders of the two laws.
4. The law of God was preserved uniquely inside the ark of covenant
Ex 25:16: And you shall put into the ark the testimony which I shall
give you, while the Law of Moses was place on the side of the ark
Deut 31:24-26: And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end
of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
that Moses commanded the Levites, which bear the ark of the
covenant of the LORD, saying, take this book of the law, and put it
in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it
may be there for a witness against you.
5. 2Ki 21:8: Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out
of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do
according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all
the law that my servant Moses commanded them . From this verse
we see also that there are two different laws. God uses the words
‘ I have commanded them ’ meaning the Ten Commandments while
‘ The laws that my servant Moses commanded them ’ meaning the
laws of Moses.
6. Daniel revealed this difference between these laws. Dan 9:11: Yea,
all Israel have transgressed your law, even by departing, that they
might not obey you voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us,
and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of
God, because we have sinned against him. ‘Your law’ referring to
God laws; the Ten Commandments while ‘the law of Moses’
referring to the Mosaic Law.
A Christian has to differentiate these two laws because God’s law (the
Ten Commandments) applies to all people at all times while the Law
of Moses is specifically for the Jewish people.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 7:50pm On Mar 23
blueAgent:


This is total crap.
Jesus never taught anything new, all he said and taught people were things the prophets had already taught them.

There is no single evidence for all this things you wrote here, pure human reasoning and false teachings.

It is not double standard. its the same law and standard that God will use to judge everyone, what will be different is that God will judge people by the amount or knowledge of God and his law, which they had available to them.


Thats what God will consider.

Weather law or conscience both are based on the principles of God's law.

The only difference is that one knows it by teaching and hearing it, why the other knows it by their instincts which is their conscience.

Here is Jesus comparing the Judgment of Sodom and Tyre based on the work of God done in each city.

Luke 10:12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city. 10:13 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. 10:14 But it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment, than for you. 10:15 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell. 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

If humans have been fully equipped as in fortified with God's given instinct, then why separate some by giving them special WRITTEN LAWS? cheesy

And why do i whose race has already been fortified with God's given conscience still need any added laws? cheesy

That's what makes what you typed up there GIBBERISH! cheesy
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 8:38pm On Mar 23
Maximus69:


If humans have been fully equipped as in fortified with God's given instinct, then why separate some by giving them special WRITTEN LAWS? cheesy

And why do i whose race has already been fortified with God's given conscience still need any added laws? cheesy

That's what makes what you typed up there GIBBERISH! cheesy


Who separated them?

You are too grown to think like a child.

Can the president of Nigeria or any country appoint the entire citizens to be in his cabinet all at the same time ?

is it possible or workable?


What God did was to choose Abraham and his descendants to be the custodian of his laws, precepts, and judgments.Same role Noah played.

During the time of Abraham the whole World was fillied with polytheism the worship of Idols and false gods, but Abraham found favor with God because of his faith and rejection of such gods.

God saw Abraham's heart and called him out of his fathers house in order to establish a convenant with him to be the carriers and custodians of God's law.

Just as a president cannot appoint everyone into his cabinet so also God could not call or give the entire World his laws and precepts all at the same time because of their idolatory and unbelief.

So God chose the Israelites as the vessel through which he would make known his laws and requirements to the world.

We all have God's law impressed in our Conscience but we lack the capacity to obey it.

It requires us to be taught the laws continuely in order for us meditate and to uphold and live by the law.


Psalms 119:1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 8:44pm On Mar 23
Maximus69:


If humans have been fully equipped as in fortified with God's given instinct, then why separate some by giving them special WRITTEN LAWS? cheesy

And why do i whose race has already been fortified with God's given conscience still need any added laws? cheesy

That's what makes what you typed up there GIBBERISH! cheesy
Isaiah 41:2 Who raised up the righteous man from the east, called him to his foot, gave the nations before him, and made him rule over kings? he gave them as the dust to his sword, and as driven stubble to his bow. 41:3 He pursued them, and passed safely; even by the way that he had not gone with his feet. 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he. 41:5 The isles saw it, and feared; the ends of the earth were afraid, drew near, and came. 41:6 They helped every one his neighbour; and every one said to his brother, Be of good courage. 41:7 So the carpenter encouraged the goldsmith, and he that smootheth with the hammer him that smote the anvil, saying, It is ready for the sodering: and he fastened it with nails, that it should not be moved. 41:8 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend. 41:9 Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away. 41:15 Behold, I will make thee a new sharp threshing instrument having teeth: thou shalt thresh the mountains, and beat them small, and shalt make the hills as chaff. 41:16 Thou shalt fan them, and the wind shall carry them away, and the whirlwind shall scatter them: and thou shalt rejoice in the LORD, and shalt glory in the Holy One of Israel.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 8:46pm On Mar 23
blueAgent:


Its obvious you are confusing the Law of God with the Law of Moses.

They are both different laws that serve different purpose.
Stop mixing them up.


There are 6 differences between God laws and Mosaic Law.
If a person fails to differentiate these laws, s/he gets confused with
which part of the law applies to him/her.
God laws are the Ten Commandments found in Exodus 20 while
Mosaic Law are all other Old Testament laws found in the Torah or
Pentateuch books (first five books of the bible).
6 Differences between God laws and Mosaic
Law
The 6 differences are; –
1. God laws were audibly spoken by God at Mount Sinai Ex 19:9, 20:1
And the LORD said to Moses, Lo, I come to you in a thick cloud,
that the people may hear when I speak with you, and believe you
for ever. And God spoke all these words, saying… While Moses
laws were not given audibly but given to Moses privately.
2. God laws were directly written by the figure of God on table stones
Ex 31:18: And he gave to Moses, when he had made an end of
communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony,
tables of stone, written with the finger of God , while the Law of
Moses was not written by God but by Moses inspired by God Deut
31:9 And Moses wrote this law.
3. It is God who commanded His laws in Mount. Sinai Deut 4:13-14:
And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you
to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two
tables of stone. And the LORD commanded me at that time to
teach you statutes and judgments, that you might do them in the
land which you go over to possess it. While Moses commanded his
laws (the statutes and judgments) to the children of Israel. Notice
the two different commanders of the two laws.
4. The law of God was preserved uniquely inside the ark of covenant
Ex 25:16: And you shall put into the ark the testimony which I shall
give you, while the Law of Moses was place on the side of the ark
Deut 31:24-26: And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end
of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
that Moses commanded the Levites, which bear the ark of the
covenant of the LORD, saying, take this book of the law, and put it
in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it
may be there for a witness against you.
5. 2Ki 21:8: Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out
of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do
according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all
the law that my servant Moses commanded them . From this verse
we see also that there are two different laws. God uses the words
‘ I have commanded them ’ meaning the Ten Commandments while
‘ The laws that my servant Moses commanded them ’ meaning the
laws of Moses.
6. Daniel revealed this difference between these laws. Dan 9:11: Yea,
all Israel have transgressed your law, even by departing, that they
might not obey you voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us,
and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of
God, because we have sinned against him. ‘Your law’ referring to
God laws; the Ten Commandments while ‘the law of Moses’
referring to the Mosaic Law.
A Christian has to differentiate these two laws because God’s law (the
Ten Commandments) applies to all people at all times while the Law
of Moses is specifically for the Jewish people.
By your argument, the law of Moses is superior to the law of God for the command to love the Lord your God came from Moses and not directly from God's mouth/writing.
Deu 6:5:
"And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

It is dangerous to begin to separate the scriptures into "words of men" and "words of God".


Let me give you a scripture from the book of Exodus that is not in the 10 commandments in Ex 20.

Exo 23:14-24:
"Three times you shall keep a feast to me in the year. You shall keep the feast of unleavened bread: (you shall eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded you , in the time appointed of the month Abib; for in it you came out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty: ) And the feast of harvest, the first fruits of your labors, which you have sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when you have gathered in your labors out of the field. Three times in the year all your males shall appear before the LORD God. You shall not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread; neither shall the fat of my sacrifice remain until the morning. The first of the first fruits of your land you shall bring into the house of the LORD your God. You shall not see the a kid in his mother's milk. Behold, I send an Angel before you, to keep you in the way, and to bring you into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him. But if you shall indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy to your enemies, and an adversary to your adversaries. For my Angel shall go before you, and bring you in to the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off. You shall not bow down to their gods , nor serve them, nor do after their works: but you shall utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images."

Who speaks in the scripture above? Was it God or Moses?
Then what makes this less than the 10 commandments?

Do you keep the feast of the unleavened bread in the month of Abib?
If you are NOT, what justification do you have?

Do you appear specially three times a year before the Lord ( as a man)?
If you are NOT, what justification do you have?


I could find you more scriptures if you care!
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:07pm On Mar 23
shadeyinka:

By your argument, the law of Moses is superior to the law of God for the command to love the Lord your God came from Moses and not directly from God's mouth/writing.
Deu 6:5:
"And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

It is dangerous to begin to separate the scriptures into "words of men" and "words of God".


Let me give you a scripture from the book of Exodus that is not in the 10 commandments in Ex 20.

Exo 23:14-24:
"Three times you shall keep a feast to me in the year. You shall keep the feast of unleavened bread: (you shall eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded you , in the time appointed of the month Abib; for in it you came out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty: ) And the feast of harvest, the first fruits of your labors, which you have sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when you have gathered in your labors out of the field. Three times in the year all your males shall appear before the LORD God. You shall not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread; neither shall the fat of my sacrifice remain until the morning. The first of the first fruits of your land you shall bring into the house of the LORD your God. You shall not see the a kid in his mother's milk. Behold, I send an Angel before you, to keep you in the way, and to bring you into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him. But if you shall indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy to your enemies, and an adversary to your adversaries. For my Angel shall go before you, and bring you in to the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off. You shall not bow down to their gods , nor serve them, nor do after their works: but you shall utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images."

Who speaks in the scripture above? Was it God or Moses?
Then what makes this less than the 10 commandments?

Do you keep the feast of the unleavened bread in the month of Abib?
If you are NOT, what justification do you have?

Do you appear specially three times a year before the Lord ( as a man)?
If you are NOT, what justification do you have?


I could find you more scriptures if you care!


Where did I write that the law of Moses is more superior than that of God?

How can the law written with the finger of God be inferior than that written by Moses?


Your example and analogy holds no water.

Of course there will be areas were the laws will over lap there are also areas were the laws will be saying the same thing.

Thats does not mean there is only one law.

God himself differentiated the law by writing 10 with his fingers and instructing that it should be placed inside the Ark.

While that of Moses were written by Moses and were placed by the side of the Ark.

Anyone who has sense will know that it was done this way for a reason.

Before did you expect Moses to be the one to decide what and how the cremional laws and scrafice will be?

It has to be God himself.

But that same God is telling you now that those mosiac laws have served there purposes and that is pointing to Christ.

Now that Christ has died for the sins of humanity there is no other need for them.

But the 10commandments will forever remain, because it what is required of us in order to please God and inherit God's kingdom.

Is there any time in this Universe that God will now accept auldetry, stealing,killing, bowing to other gods, taking God's name in vain, as good things and allow us to do them?
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 9:11pm On Mar 23
blueAgent:

Isaiah 41:2 Who raised up the righteous man from the east, called him to his foot, gave the nations before him, and made him rule over kings? he gave them as the dust to his sword, and as driven stubble to his bow. 41:3 He pursued them, and passed safely; even by the way that he had not gone with his feet. 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he. 41:5 The isles saw it, and feared; the ends of the earth were afraid, drew near, and came. 41:6 They helped every one his neighbour; and every one said to his brother, Be of good courage. 41:7 So the carpenter encouraged the goldsmith, and he that smootheth with the hammer him that smote the anvil, saying, It is ready for the sodering: and he fastened it with nails, that it should not be moved. 41:8 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend. 41:9 Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away. 41:15 Behold, I will make thee a new sharp threshing instrument having teeth: thou shalt thresh the mountains, and beat them small, and shalt make the hills as chaff. 41:16 Thou shalt fan them, and the wind shall carry them away, and the whirlwind shall scatter them: and thou shalt rejoice in the LORD, and shalt glory in the Holy One of Israel.

All these are quotations out of contexts, making you sound delusional!

According to your interpretation, since we are all descendants of Noah God's laws is already instinctive in us!

Then why being partial by separating some, giving them unique WRITTEN laws when it must still go round?

And of what need is the WRITTEN laws again since all of us already have God's blessings of instinctive conscience spontaneously operating in us?

That's my question, i don't need all these stories, all Bible readers knows Bible stories! cheesy
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:15pm On Mar 23
shadeyinka:

I have no problems with keeping commands especially those that aren't Cleanliness or Ceremonial by nature.

I esteem each day as equal and Sunday is not in anyway superior to Tuesday or Thursday.
Rom 14:5-6:
"One man esteems one day above another: another esteems every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regards the day, regards it to the Lord; and he that regards not the day, to the Lord he does not regard it. He that eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he that eats not, to the Lord he eats not, and gives God thanks."

On the above scripture, I stand.

I asked you about Circumcision as a command with a grievous consequence. How come Titus was NOT circumcised? Is that not part of the Law?
Rom 14:2,22-23:
"For one believes that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eats herbs. …
.....
Have you faith? have it to yourself before God. Happy is he that comdemns not himself in that thing which he allows. And he that doubts is damned if he eat, because he eats not of faith: for whatever is not of faith is sin."

If your faith cannot carry it, do according to your level.

But what does the scriptures say:
1. Faith in Christ makes you justified of ALL things which could not be justified by the law of Moses

Acts 13:39: "And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses."

2. No human beings can be justified BY observing the Law
Rom 3:20: "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."

3. A man is justified without following the Law of Moses

Rom 3:28: "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

4. We are not justified by obeying the laws of Moses but by Faith in Christ Jesus

Gal 2:16: "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

5. No human being is Justified by the law of Moses
Gal 3:11: "But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith."

6. If you still seek to be justified by the law of Moses, you have fallen from grace
Gal 5:4: "Christ is become of no effect to you, whoever of you are justified by the law; you are fallen from grace."

Does Romans 14 Prove There Is No Sabbath?
by Cecil Maranville
Does Romans 14 show that the Fourth Commandment about the seventh-
day Sabbath is no longer in effect? What was Paul addressing in this
chapter?
Romans 14 is mistakenly used by some as “proof” that there is no
Sabbath law today. There are actually three main subjects discussed by
Paul in this chapter. Because two of them are believed by some to relate
to the biblical food laws (found in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14), we
cover them in a separate article: “ Does Romans 14 Abolish the Law of
Clean and Unclean Meats?”
As that article explains, the first subject had to do with “doubtful things,”
yet Paul would never refer to the Old Testament as “doubtful.” The Greek
word for “doubtful” means “reasonings” or “opinions” ( NKJV Study Bible,
2007, notes on Romans 14:1-2). In other words, Paul was addressing
matters of personal opinion in this chapter, not matters of law.
Personal opinions about days
Anti-Sabbath teachers cite verse 5 and part of verse 6 to make their
claim that Paul here showed there is no longer any specific day set aside
by God for worship: “One person esteems one day above another; another
esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He
who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not
observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it.”
If we fail to think the subject through completely, these verses might
seem to support the hypothesis that Paul was saying there is no Sabbath.
But think through what the practical consequences would be of teaching
that there is no Sabbath day made holy by God for worshipping Him.
It would mean that one believer could decide that Monday should be his
day of worship, while another might be convinced Wednesday would suit
him. Still another might find Friday more convenient. Quite likely, in a
large group, each day of the week would be chosen by some. And,
according to those who say Paul was talking about the Sabbath in
Romans 14:5-6, everybody would be right!
What confusion that would cause! There would be no true “congregation,”
which means a group that “congregates” or comes together for a
meeting. When would they meet for worship? Which meeting day would
God bless, if any? There would be no cohesion, no community of
believers.
When thought through to the logical conclusion, the claim that Paul was
teaching there is no Sabbath is obviously wrong. Notice also that the
word “ Sabbath ” is not even mentioned—it is not the subject. Notice also
that “day of worship” is not mentioned—that isn’t the subject either.
A good summary of the chapter is: Put a higher value on keeping unity in
the community of believers than on your personal opinion when it comes
to eating meat versus vegetarianism, fasting or not fasting on a given day
or about diet in general, “for the kingdom of God is not eating and
drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.”
What is the subject and what did Paul mean? Allow the Bible to speak for
itself, as we do in “ Does Romans 14 Abolish the Law of Clean and
Unclean Meats?”
In order to understand any part of the Bible, it is necessary to take what
is said in context. The entirety of verse 6 reads: “He who observes the
day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the
Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives
God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and
gives God thanks.”
Looking for the church behind Life, Hope & Truth? See our “Who We Are”
page.
The plain meaning
How were the people “observing” a day? The key words here are: “He
who eats” and “he who does not eat.” This is a specific reference to the
spiritual exercise of fasting. This fact does not occur to many readers of
the Bible, because they aren’t acquainted with fasting. But Christ said that
His disciples would fast, and there are numerous references throughout
the New Testament to fasting. A fast for spiritual purposes is going
without food and water (usually for a day) for the purpose of spending
extra time in prayer, Bible study and meditation in order to draw closer to
God. Fasting is truly a cleansing, as well as a strengthening experience.
(For more about the subject of fasting see our article “ What Is Fasting ?”)
Paul is not talking in verses 5 and 6 about people picking their own
weekly day of worship! Choosing not to eat for a day in order to “observe
it to the Lord” referred to choosing a day on which to fast. When one
fasts is an individual matter. The tone Paul takes continues the theme
from the first few verses. To put it in plain language, he was saying that
strong-minded (opinionated) believers should not try to force their
personal preferences on each other about individual matters.
Romans 14 is about believers needing to respect personal differences
between themselves; it is about not assuming that one’s opinion is right
or that a differing opinion is wrong. A good summary of the chapter is:
Put a higher value on keeping unity in the community of believers than on
your personal opinion when it comes to eating meat versus vegetarianism,
fasting or not fasting on a given day or about diet in general, “for the
kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace
and joy in the Holy Spirit ” (verse 17).
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:26pm On Mar 23
Maximus69:


All these are quotations out of contexts, making you sound delusional!

According to your interpretation, since we are all descendants of Noah God's laws is already instinctive in us!

Then why being partial by separating some, giving them unique WRITTEN laws when it must still go round?

And of what need is the WRITTEN laws again since all of us already have God's blessings of instinctive conscience spontaneously operating in us?

That's my question, i don't need all these stories, all Bible readers knows Bible stories! cheesy




Are you a kid?

Did you not read my explanation that the law of God was known by everyone but as time went by and people developed false religions like yours. The law and its knowledge was lost. thats how idol worship became rempant.

God had to pick Abraham and his descendants as custodians through which he will re-introduce his laws and commandments to a World that has lost touch of what God wants.
Having it in our conscience does not mean we will not need to be reminded.
After all Adam and Eve were given direct instructions by God, they were in far better position to resists the Devil than we are, yet they fell.
How much more those who have only there conscience as a guide.

The law needs to be sounded often in order to awake the conscience.

Those who God will judge by their conscience are those who were not privileged to have the law of God as many of us have it today.

but the judgment of such people will still be based on the 10commandments.

There is no one who does not know that killing is wrong instinctively, if you deny it than you are are a pathological liar.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:32pm On Mar 23
Maximus69:


All these are quotations out of contexts, making you sound delusional!

According to your interpretation, since we are all descendants of Noah God's laws is already instinctive in us!

Then why being partial by separating some, giving them unique WRITTEN laws when it must still go round?

And of what need is the WRITTEN laws again since all of us already have God's blessings of instinctive conscience spontaneously operating in us?

That's my question, i don't need all these stories, all Bible readers knows Bible stories! cheesy

How is God partial?

Which different law did he give the Israelite's.

Are you referring to the 10commandments or the mosaic laws?

The function of the Mosaic laws was to point at Christ who was to come.

Is God obligated to give idol worshippers the Mosaic laws?
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 10:43pm On Mar 23
blueAgent:



Where did I write that the law of Moses is more superior than that of God?

How can the law written with the finger of God be inferior than that written by Moses?


Your example and analogy holds no water.

Of course there will be areas were the laws will over lap there are also areas were the laws will be saying the same thing.

Thats does not mean there is only one law.

God himself differentiated the law by writing 10 with his fingers and instructing that it should be placed inside the Ark.

While that of Moses were written by Moses and were placed by the side of the Ark.

Anyone who has sense will know that it was done this way for a reason.

Before did you expect Moses to be the one to decide what and how the cremional laws and scrafice will be?

It has to be God himself.

But that same God is telling you now that those mosiac laws have served there purposes and that is pointing to Christ.

Now that Christ has died for the sins of humanity there is no other need for them.

But the 10commandments will forever remain, because it what is required of us in order to please God and inherit God's kingdom.

Is there any time in this Universe that God will now accept auldetry, stealing,killing, bowing to other gods, taking God's name in vain, as good things and allow us to do them?



Is fornication part of the 10 commandments?
Is homosexuality part of the 10 commandments?
Is kidnapping part of the 10 commandments?

If they are not, are they then okay for everyone?
If I fulfil the ten commandments ONLY and not these ones mentioned above, am I righteous?

I write these to show you that the 10 commandments are in no way conclusive of the laws of God. You can't just take one law of the 10 commandments and elevate them over others.

The 10 commandments is meant to be a summary of the laws of God by which the Israelites should live by.

The 10 commandments written by the finger of God was broken remember!? ..and replaced with that written by the hands of Moses!
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 10:49pm On Mar 23
blueAgent:

Does Romans 14 Prove There Is No Sabbath?
by Cecil Maranville
Does Romans 14 show that the Fourth Commandment about the seventh-
day Sabbath is no longer in effect? What was Paul addressing in this
chapter?
Romans 14 is mistakenly used by some as “proof” that there is no
Sabbath law today. There are actually three main subjects discussed by
Paul in this chapter. Because two of them are believed by some to relate
to the biblical food laws (found in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14), we
cover them in a separate article: “ Does Romans 14 Abolish the Law of
Clean and Unclean Meats?”
As that article explains, the first subject had to do with “doubtful things,”
yet Paul would never refer to the Old Testament as “doubtful.” The Greek
word for “doubtful” means “reasonings” or “opinions” ( NKJV Study Bible,
2007, notes on Romans 14:1-2). In other words, Paul was addressing
matters of personal opinion in this chapter, not matters of law.
Personal opinions about days
Anti-Sabbath teachers cite verse 5 and part of verse 6 to make their
claim that Paul here showed there is no longer any specific day set aside
by God for worship: “One person esteems one day above another; another
esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He
who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not
observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it.”
If we fail to think the subject through completely, these verses might
seem to support the hypothesis that Paul was saying there is no Sabbath.
But think through what the practical consequences would be of teaching
that there is no Sabbath day made holy by God for worshipping Him.
It would mean that one believer could decide that Monday should be his
day of worship, while another might be convinced Wednesday would suit
him. Still another might find Friday more convenient. Quite likely, in a
large group, each day of the week would be chosen by some. And,
according to those who say Paul was talking about the Sabbath in
Romans 14:5-6, everybody would be right!
What confusion that would cause! There would be no true “congregation,”
which means a group that “congregates” or comes together for a
meeting. When would they meet for worship? Which meeting day would
God bless, if any? There would be no cohesion, no community of
believers.
When thought through to the logical conclusion, the claim that Paul was
teaching there is no Sabbath is obviously wrong. Notice also that the
word “ Sabbath ” is not even mentioned—it is not the subject. Notice also
that “day of worship” is not mentioned—that isn’t the subject either.
A good summary of the chapter is: Put a higher value on keeping unity in
the community of believers than on your personal opinion when it comes
to eating meat versus vegetarianism, fasting or not fasting on a given day
or about diet in general, “for the kingdom of God is not eating and
drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.”
What is the subject and what did Paul mean? Allow the Bible to speak for
itself, as we do in “ Does Romans 14 Abolish the Law of Clean and
Unclean Meats?”
In order to understand any part of the Bible, it is necessary to take what
is said in context. The entirety of verse 6 reads: “He who observes the
day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the
Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives
God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and
gives God thanks.”
Looking for the church behind Life, Hope & Truth? See our “Who We Are”
page.
The plain meaning
How were the people “observing” a day? The key words here are: “He
who eats” and “he who does not eat.” This is a specific reference to the
spiritual exercise of fasting. This fact does not occur to many readers of
the Bible, because they aren’t acquainted with fasting. But Christ said that
His disciples would fast, and there are numerous references throughout
the New Testament to fasting. A fast for spiritual purposes is going
without food and water (usually for a day) for the purpose of spending
extra time in prayer, Bible study and meditation in order to draw closer to
God. Fasting is truly a cleansing, as well as a strengthening experience.
(For more about the subject of fasting see our article “ What Is Fasting ?”)
Paul is not talking in verses 5 and 6 about people picking their own
weekly day of worship! Choosing not to eat for a day in order to “observe
it to the Lord” referred to choosing a day on which to fast. When one
fasts is an individual matter. The tone Paul takes continues the theme
from the first few verses. To put it in plain language, he was saying that
strong-minded (opinionated) believers should not try to force their
personal preferences on each other about individual matters.
Romans 14 is about believers needing to respect personal differences
between themselves; it is about not assuming that one’s opinion is right
or that a differing opinion is wrong. A good summary of the chapter is:
Put a higher value on keeping unity in the community of believers than on
your personal opinion when it comes to eating meat versus vegetarianism,
fasting or not fasting on a given day or about diet in general, “for the
kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace
and joy in the Holy Spirit ” (verse 17).

It is easy to Copy-Paste.

I have given you 6 other different scriptures and all you could do was a Copy-Paste of someone's tretese about Rom14 as if all I said was about it.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 11:01pm On Mar 23
blueAgent:

Where did I write that the law of Moses is more superior than that of God?

How can the law written with the finger of God be inferior than that written by Moses?
Here below is where you inferred it

blueAgent:

Its obvious you are confusing the Law of God with the Law of Moses.

They are both different laws that serve different purpose.
Stop mixing them up.
...
But the law of Moses (by your assertion) contains what Jesus called the greatest commandment

Deu 6:5:
"And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

Didn't Jesus say this was the greatest commandment? If this was the greatest commandment as testified by Jesus, you have just asserted that Moses law was more important than God's command.

Now, you say
blueAgent:



Your example and analogy holds no water.

Of course there will be areas were the laws will over lap there are also areas were the laws will be saying the same thing.

Thats does not mean there is only one law.

God himself differentiated the law by writing 10 with his fingers and instructing that it should be placed inside the Ark.

While that of Moses were written by Moses and were placed by the side of the Ark.

Anyone who has sense will know that it was done this way for a reason.

Before did you expect Moses to be the one to decide what and how the cremional laws and scrafice will be?

It has to be God himself.

But that same God is telling you now that those mosiac laws have served there purposes and that is pointing to Christ.

Now that Christ has died for the sins of humanity there is no other need for them.

But the 10commandments will forever remain, because it what is required of us in order to please God and inherit God's kingdom.

Is there any time in this Universe that God will now accept auldetry, stealing,killing, bowing to other gods, taking God's name in vain, as good things and allow us to do them?


Are the ten commandments complete?
Were they not written by the hands of Moses?
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 5:04am On Mar 24
blueAgent:





Are you a kid?

Did you not read my explanation that the law of God was known by everyone but as time went by and people developed false religions like yours. The law and its knowledge was lost. thats how idol worship became rempant.

God had to pick Abraham and his descendants as custodians through which he will re-introduce his laws and commandments to a World that has lost touch of what God wants.
Having it in our conscience does not mean we will not need to be reminded.
After all Adam and Eve were given direct instructions by God, they were in far better position to resists the Devil than we are, yet they fell.
How much more those who have only there conscience as a guide.

The law needs to be sounded often in order to awake the conscience.

Those who God will judge by their conscience are those who were not privileged to have the law of God as many of us have it today.

but the judgment of such people will still be based on the 10commandments.

There is no one who does not know that killing is wrong instinctively, if you deny it than you are are a pathological liar.

You just want to argue that's all!

The underlined, Bible said
"God instructed Abraham to sacrifice (KILL) Isaac (an innocent child)"

If we should go by your interpretation of instinct, what is the sin of Baal worshipers who are slaughtering their children for their god?

Note that a spirit being (GOD) spoke with Abraham to KILL his son and other spirit beings (DEMONS) ordered Canaanites to KILL their children! undecided

Both orders sound exactly the same way, and adherents were to do this to prove their loyalty to their God!

Definitely there is no difference! embarassed

Because if instinctively all of us knew that killing is bad, Abraham supposed to start arguing with the spirit that asked him to go and KILL an innocent child!

If Abraham just obeyed the VOICE of an invisible spirit ordering him to KILL an innocent child, and it was counted to him as RIGHTEOUSNESS {James 2:21} then what makes the Canaanites who are also obeying the voice of another invisible spirit to do exactly the same thing SINNERS? undecided Deuteronomy 12:31

Or are you here to justify KILLING innocent Isaac as a holy act but that of Canaanites KILLING innocent children as evil act? undecided

Instead of humbly taking in divine wisdom you're using your human understanding to discern the things of higher thought {Isaiah 55:8-10} your church you're at loggerhead with because they're now trinitarians, your friend here both of you have been arguing for the past few months all to no avail, and the people working together as one family with the same line of thought you're saying "they're false prophets" simply because they were mimicking prophecies WRITTEN in God's word! embarassed

Continue arguing with your friend!

But know now that human instinct under the direction of spirit beings can't be a good basis for Judgement, because what you quoted out of the 10 commandments says "do not KILL" of course Israelites even Moses the mediator of that law enforced KILLING their adversaries. So it's about KILLING innocent people, yet God before the 10 commandments ordered Abraham (the patriarch) to KILL an innocent child!

You will never come to the accurate knowledge of God if you don't humble yourself {Zephaniah 2:2-3} the understanding of all these things has been given to some people {Daniel 12:10} failure to acknowledge them means
YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN! embarassed
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 2:19pm On Mar 24
Maximus69:


You just want to argue that's all!

The underlined, Bible said
"God instructed Abraham to sacrifice (KILL) Isaac (an innocent child)"

If we should go by your interpretation of instinct, what is the sin of Baal worshipers who are slaughtering their children for their god?

Note that a spirit being (GOD) spoke with Abraham to KILL his son and other spirit beings (DEMONS) ordered Canaanites to KILL their children! undecided

Both orders sound exactly the same way, and adherents were to do this to prove their loyalty to their God!

Definitely there is no difference! embarassed

Because if instinctively all of us knew that killing is bad, Abraham supposed to start arguing with the spirit that asked him to go and KILL an innocent child!

If Abraham just obeyed the VOICE of an invisible spirit ordering him to KILL an innocent child, and it was counted to him as RIGHTEOUSNESS {James 2:21} then what makes the Canaanites who are also obeying the voice of another invisible spirit to do exactly the same thing SINNERS? undecided Deuteronomy 12:31

Or are you here to justify KILLING innocent Isaac as a holy act but that of Canaanites KILLING innocent children as evil act? undecided

Instead of humbly taking in divine wisdom you're using your human understanding to discern the things of higher thought {Isaiah 55:8-10} your church you're at loggerhead with because they're now trinitarians, your friend here both of you have been arguing for the past few months all to no avail, and the people working together as one family with the same line of thought you're saying "they're false prophets" simply because they were mimicking prophecies WRITTEN in God's word! embarassed

Continue arguing with your friend!

But know now that human instinct under the direction of spirit beings can't be a good basis for Judgement, because what you quoted out of the 10 commandments says "do not KILL" of course Israelites even Moses the mediator of that law enforced KILLING their adversaries. So it's about KILLING innocent people, yet God before the 10 commandments ordered Abraham (the patriarch) to KILL an innocent child!

You will never come to the accurate knowledge of God if you don't humble yourself {Zephaniah 2:2-3} the understanding of all these things has been given to some people {Daniel 12:10} failure to acknowledge them means
YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN! embarassed


Matthew 13:11-13
He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to
know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not
been given. For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will
have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be
taken away from him. Therefore I speak to them in parables, because
seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they
understand.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 2:25pm On Mar 24
Maximus69:


You just want to argue that's all!

The underlined, Bible said
"God instructed Abraham to sacrifice (KILL) Isaac (an innocent child)"

If we should go by your interpretation of instinct, what is the sin of Baal worshipers who are slaughtering their children for their god?

Note that a spirit being (GOD) spoke with Abraham to KILL his son and other spirit beings (DEMONS) ordered Canaanites to KILL their children! undecided

Both orders sound exactly the same way, and adherents were to do this to prove their loyalty to their God!

Definitely there is no difference! embarassed

Because if instinctively all of us knew that killing is bad, Abraham supposed to start arguing with the spirit that asked him to go and KILL an innocent child!

If Abraham just obeyed the VOICE of an invisible spirit ordering him to KILL an innocent child, and it was counted to him as RIGHTEOUSNESS {James 2:21} then what makes the Canaanites who are also obeying the voice of another invisible spirit to do exactly the same thing SINNERS? undecided Deuteronomy 12:31

Or are you here to justify KILLING innocent Isaac as a holy act but that of Canaanites KILLING innocent children as evil act? undecided

Instead of humbly taking in divine wisdom you're using your human understanding to discern the things of higher thought {Isaiah 55:8-10} your church you're at loggerhead with because they're now trinitarians, your friend here both of you have been arguing for the past few months all to no avail, and the people working together as one family with the same line of thought you're saying "they're false prophets" simply because they were mimicking prophecies WRITTEN in God's word! embarassed

Continue arguing with your friend!

But know now that human instinct under the direction of spirit beings can't be a good basis for Judgement, because what you quoted out of the 10 commandments says "do not KILL" of course Israelites even Moses the mediator of that law enforced KILLING their adversaries. So it's about KILLING innocent people, yet God before the 10 commandments ordered Abraham (the patriarch) to KILL an innocent child!

You will never come to the accurate knowledge of God if you don't humble yourself {Zephaniah 2:2-3} the understanding of all these things has been given to some people {Daniel 12:10} failure to acknowledge them means
YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN! embarassed


You are really confused comparing Apples with Oranges.

Did God allow Abraham to kill Isaac?

All through the Bible is there any where that it is written that God demanded human Sacrifice?

Abraham and Isaac were and Archetype of what God and his Son Jesus did.

The problem with you is that you advocate for what cannot be proven in the Bible.

Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 2:27pm On Mar 24
Maximus69:


You just want to argue that's all!

The underlined, Bible said
"God instructed Abraham to sacrifice (KILL) Isaac (an innocent child)"

If we should go by your interpretation of instinct, what is the sin of Baal worshipers who are slaughtering their children for their god?

Note that a spirit being (GOD) spoke with Abraham to KILL his son and other spirit beings (DEMONS) ordered Canaanites to KILL their children! undecided

Both orders sound exactly the same way, and adherents were to do this to prove their loyalty to their God!

Definitely there is no difference! embarassed

Because if instinctively all of us knew that killing is bad, Abraham supposed to start arguing with the spirit that asked him to go and KILL an innocent child!

If Abraham just obeyed the VOICE of an invisible spirit ordering him to KILL an innocent child, and it was counted to him as RIGHTEOUSNESS {James 2:21} then what makes the Canaanites who are also obeying the voice of another invisible spirit to do exactly the same thing SINNERS? undecided Deuteronomy 12:31

Or are you here to justify KILLING innocent Isaac as a holy act but that of Canaanites KILLING innocent children as evil act? undecided

Instead of humbly taking in divine wisdom you're using your human understanding to discern the things of higher thought {Isaiah 55:8-10} your church you're at loggerhead with because they're now trinitarians, your friend here both of you have been arguing for the past few months all to no avail, and the people working together as one family with the same line of thought you're saying "they're false prophets" simply because they were mimicking prophecies WRITTEN in God's word! embarassed

Continue arguing with your friend!

But know now that human instinct under the direction of spirit beings can't be a good basis for Judgement, because what you quoted out of the 10 commandments says "do not KILL" of course Israelites even Moses the mediator of that law enforced KILLING their adversaries. So it's about KILLING innocent people, yet God before the 10 commandments ordered Abraham (the patriarch) to KILL an innocent child!

You will never come to the accurate knowledge of God if you don't humble yourself {Zephaniah 2:2-3} the understanding of all these things has been given to some people {Daniel 12:10} failure to acknowledge them means
YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN! embarassed


7. Romans 1:18-19 For God’s wrath is being revealed from heaven
against all the ungodliness and wickedness of those who in their
wickedness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain
to them, because God himself has made it plain to them.
8. Romans 1:28-30 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God,
God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what should not be done.
They are filled with every kind of unrighteousness, wickedness,
covetousness, malice. They are rife with envy, murder, strife, deceit,
hostility. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God , insolent, arrogant,
boastful, contrivers of all sorts of evil, disobedient to parents, senseless,
covenant-breakers, heartless, ruthless. Although they fully know God’s
righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they
not only do them but also approve of those who practice them.


From the verse above it should be obvious to you that God's righteous decree is know by everyone.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 2:30pm On Mar 24
Maximus69:


You just want to argue that's all!

The underlined, Bible said
"God instructed Abraham to sacrifice (KILL) Isaac (an innocent child)"

If we should go by your interpretation of instinct, what is the sin of Baal worshipers who are slaughtering their children for their god?

Note that a spirit being (GOD) spoke with Abraham to KILL his son and other spirit beings (DEMONS) ordered Canaanites to KILL their children! undecided

Both orders sound exactly the same way, and adherents were to do this to prove their loyalty to their God!

Definitely there is no difference! embarassed

Because if instinctively all of us knew that killing is bad, Abraham supposed to start arguing with the spirit that asked him to go and KILL an innocent child!

If Abraham just obeyed the VOICE of an invisible spirit ordering him to KILL an innocent child, and it was counted to him as RIGHTEOUSNESS {James 2:21} then what makes the Canaanites who are also obeying the voice of another invisible spirit to do exactly the same thing SINNERS? undecided Deuteronomy 12:31

Or are you here to justify KILLING innocent Isaac as a holy act but that of Canaanites KILLING innocent children as evil act? undecided

Instead of humbly taking in divine wisdom you're using your human understanding to discern the things of higher thought {Isaiah 55:8-10} your church you're at loggerhead with because they're now trinitarians, your friend here both of you have been arguing for the past few months all to no avail, and the people working together as one family with the same line of thought you're saying "they're false prophets" simply because they were mimicking prophecies WRITTEN in God's word! embarassed

Continue arguing with your friend!

But know now that human instinct under the direction of spirit beings can't be a good basis for Judgement, because what you quoted out of the 10 commandments says "do not KILL" of course Israelites even Moses the mediator of that law enforced KILLING their adversaries. So it's about KILLING innocent people, yet God before the 10 commandments ordered Abraham (the patriarch) to KILL an innocent child!

You will never come to the accurate knowledge of God if you don't humble yourself {Zephaniah 2:2-3} the understanding of all these things has been given to some people {Daniel 12:10} failure to acknowledge them means
YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN! embarassed


If the Cannanities did not know that killing is wrong either by knowledge of the law or their conscience, then why did God destroy them.

Would God be just to destroy people for doing what they do not know is wrong?
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 2:32pm On Mar 24
shadeyinka:

Here below is where you inferred it


But the law of Moses (by your assertion) contains what Jesus called the greatest commandment

Deu 6:5:
"And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

Didn't Jesus say this was the greatest commandment? If this was the greatest commandment as testified by Jesus, you have just asserted that Moses law was more important than God's command.

Now, you say


Are the ten commandments complete?
Were they not written by the hands of Moses?


And how does that prove that I said that moses law is superior?


Can you show me were it is written in Moses law?
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 2:56pm On Mar 24
blueAgent:


Matthew 13:11-13
He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to
know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not
been given. For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will
have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be
taken away from him. Therefore I speak to them in parables, because
seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they
understand.

Jesus is here talking to people FROM THE SAME RACE! cheesy
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 3:20pm On Mar 24
blueAgent:


If the Cannanities did not know that killing is wrong either by knowledge of the law or their conscience, then why did God destroy them.

Would God be just to destroy people for doing what they do not know is wrong?

God did not ask the Israelites to destroy the Canaanites because the people were commiting any sin!

It was because the Canaanites themselves went against the common rules that all the nations of that time believe "conscience'!

By then nations fear and respect nations stronger than them. The strength of any nation depends on their population, their army and the commander in chief of such an army!

So any nation supposed not to lay ambush or think of challenging the nation of Israel whose God singlehandedy defeated the strongest nation of that time "EGYPT".

God can easily stop Pharaoh from breathing but he wanted to send a signal to all the nations that the Almighty God is with the Israelites, so all the nations will be forewarned not to attempt dragging any issue with his special people! Exodus 19:5

Note what Rahab told the spies "we have heard how powerful your God is, and the fear of your God has gripped everyone here" {Joshua 2:9-11} so if Rahab could say that, it means those nations thinking of challenging the Israelites are at fault!

And God surely rewarded Rahab (the prostitute) because she later became the grate grandmother of Jesus! Matthew 1:5 undecided

So it's not about the rules they never knew or practiced but their stubbornness in undermining the indomitable God of Israel, which means THEY ARE FIGHTING AGAINST THEIR OWN CONSCIENCE.

That's the issue! smiley
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 3:21pm On Mar 24
shadeyinka:

It is easy to Copy-Paste.

I have given you 6 other different scriptures and all you could do was a Copy-Paste of someone's tretese about Rom14 as if all I said was about it.

Clown,. read stop posting Bible verses that you cannot comprehend
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 3:23pm On Mar 24
shadeyinka:

Is fornication part of the 10 commandments?
Is homosexuality part of the 10 commandments?
Is kidnapping part of the 10 commandments?

If they are not, are they then okay for everyone?
If I fulfil the ten commandments ONLY and not these ones mentioned above, am I righteous?

I write these to show you that the 10 commandments are in no way conclusive of the laws of God. You can't just take one law of the 10 commandments and elevate them over others.

The 10 commandments is meant to be a summary of the laws of God by which the Israelites should live by.

The 10 commandments written by the finger of God was broken remember!? ..and replaced with that written by the hands of Moses!

Its obvious you are a kid.
If you cannot see this crimes in the 10 commandments.

Then you need to go back to School.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 3:32pm On Mar 24
Maximus69:

Jesus is here talking to people FROM THE SAME RACE! cheesy
My friend it also applies to you and all generation.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 3:45pm On Mar 24
blueAgent:


My friend it also applies to you and all generation.

How?


In what way?

Jesus was standing in the midst of his own race "Jews" and he said this to people listening to him saying the understanding doesn't belong to all of them but part of those standing there with him!

So how do you distinguish between those he meant to equipped with the understanding and those he wish to deny? undecided
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 3:46pm On Mar 24
Maximus69:


God did not ask the Israelites to destroy the Canaanites because the people were commiting any sin!

It was because the Canaanites themselves went against the common rules that all the nations of that time believe "conscience'!

By then nations fear and respect nations stronger than them. The strength of any nation depends on their population, their army and the commander in chief of such an army!

So any nation supposed not to lay ambush or think of challenging the nation of Israel whose God singlehandedy defeated the strongest nation of that time "EGYPT".

God can easily stop Pharaoh from breathing but he wanted to send a signal to all the nations that the Almighty God is with the Israelites, so all the nations will be forewarned not to attempt dragging any issue with his special people! Exodus 19:5

Note what Rahab told the spies "we have heard how powerful your God is, and the fear of your God has gripped everyone here" {Joshua 2:9-11} so if Rahab could say that, it means those nations thinking of challenging the Israelites are at fault!

And God surely rewarded Rahab (the prostitute) because she later became the grate grandmother of Jesus! Matthew 1:5 undecided

So it's not about the rules they never knew or practiced but their stubbornness in undermining the indomitable God of Israel, which means THEY ARE FIGHTING AGAINST THEIR OWN CONSCIENCE.

That's the issue! smiley


Thats a lie.

The Canaanites were sinners, When God promised Abraham
that his offspring would inherit the land of Canaan, he said it would not
happen until the fourth generation after Abraham because the iniquity of
the Amorites is not yet complete. They practiced such things as child
sacrifice, incest, adultery, temple prostitution, and various other horrible
acts.
When we read about God’s justice going forth against the Canaanites, it
was because they had rejected God and his law. It was a willful rejection,
a purposeful rejection. There were witnesses in the land to the
Canaanites: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and their families. They were people
who followed the Lord. The Canaanites were not innocent; they were
morally bankrupt and incorrigible in their wickedness.



“Know for certain that your offspring will be sojourners in a land that is
not theirs and will be servants there, and they will be afflicted for four
hundred years. . . . And they shall come back here in the fourth
generation, for the iniquity of the Amorites [one of the Canaanite clans]
is not yet complete” (Gen. 15. 13, 16).



It was their Sin that made God to destroy them.
Deuteronomy 9:3-5
Therefore understand today that the LORD your God is He who goes
over before you as a consuming fire. He will destroy them and bring
them down before you; so you shall drive them out and destroy them
quickly, as the LORD has said to you. “Do not think in your heart, after
the LORD your God has cast them out before you, saying, ‘Because of
my righteousness the LORD has brought me in to possess this land’; but
it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the LORD is
driving them out from before you. It is not because of your
righteousness or the uprightness of your heart that you go in to possess
their land, but because of the wickedness of these nations that the
LORD your God drives them out from before you, and that He may fulfill
the word which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 3:47pm On Mar 24
Maximus69:


How?


In what way?

Jesus was standing in the midst of his own race "Jews" and he said this to people listening to him saying the understanding doesn't belong to all of them but part of those standing there with him!

So how do you distinguish between those he meant to equipped with the understanding and those he wish to deny? undecided


So when Jesus talks about the resurrection it was only for the Jews?

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