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|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 12:49pm On Apr 01|
The case is settled my guy, so there is no need to continue arguing blindly or asking useless, hopeless and unfruitful questions!
You've declared the verdict of your hellfire god, and i've declared Jehovah's verdict.
So go and unite with your Sabbath family, i'm OK with JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 12:57pm On Apr 01|
I did not declear anything God did through his word.
Who cares what you are OK with.
Next time when you are arguing religious matter quote and interpret the correct Bible verse and not lies.
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 1:02pm On Apr 01|
But let me resound it again before leaving you, if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you can not be saved!
This is blasphemy.
The only way to Heaven is through Jesus and the keeping of his commandments.
Not through false JW a sect founded by a known freemason.
Sorry your portion is Hell not Heaven.
Is their any bible verse to support your lies on JW?
The answer is capital NO.
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 1:24pm On Apr 01|
All these is your headache!
I've been quoting the scriptures backing my FAITH but you were running around like a Church rat that you're making pointless arguments, so it's over.
It's your Sabbath family against Jehovah's people so chill and relax, the case is settled!
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 4:47pm On Apr 01|
Sorry for my late response.
1. What stage of death are you speaking of?
Am talking about the physical death the one which everyone dies. Adam,Eve,Abraham, David and so on.
2. Hebrews 9:27 says, “ And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die
once and after this comes judgment ”: what part of man is judged?
People misinterpret this verse,
This verse does not mean that people are judged immediately they die but its purpose is to show and tell us that ones a person dies there is nothing that can be done to change the fate of the person with regards to there eternal destination.
People are actually judged after resurrection on the last day.
Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
3. If Michael and Satan contended for the body of Moses (Jude 9), what part of Moses appeared at Caesarea Phillipi? Also, what part of Elijah’s being ascends to heaven?
The resurrected body of Moses, for Elijah he never saw death so his appearance was that of his transformed body.
4. What part of Samuel’s being appeared to the witch at Endor?
Samuel never appeared to Saul, it was a Demon that impersonated Samuel that appeared to Saul.
Job 14:6 Turn from him, that he may rest, till he shall accomplish, as an hireling, his day. 14:7 For there is hope of a tree, if it be cut down, that it will sprout again, and that the tender branch thereof will not cease. 14:8 Though the root thereof wax old in the earth, and the stock thereof die in the ground; 14:9 Yet through the scent of water it will bud, and bring forth boughs like a plant. 14:10 But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he? 14:11 As the waters fail from the sea, and the flood decayeth and drieth up: 14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.
5. When Jesus said: If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also ; what part of man’s being goes to meet Christ where He is?
Of course it is the resurrected person(a living being)
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
6. Could you talk about the “Souls” in Revelation 6:9, please?
This is symbolic it should not be taken literally, because the Bible tells us that the dead know nothing.
So can not be the dead saints speaking in Rev6:9
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 4:50pm On Apr 01|
Quoting misinterpreted verses with wrong interpretation in order to suit your lies.
JW vs Illuminati not us, you 2 are birds of the same feather.
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 5:18pm On Apr 01|
Whatever my guy!
Just know that
Failure to join Jehovah's Witnesses in the ongoing global preaching and teaching work, you can't see God's kingdom!
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 7:27pm On Apr 01|
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 7:39pm On Apr 01|
That's exactly how the Jews viewed the first century Christians who were saying "if you don't believe in Jesus (their own teacher), you can't enter God's kingdom that has been promised thousands of years before Jesus' birth"
So if they referred to what the first century Christians were saying as BLASPHEMY back then, of course we shouldn't be surprised if you too are saying the same today!
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 12:25pm On Apr 02|
We need to ask Jesus, which one he came to save.. The body that returns to dust at death, or the spirit that returns back to God who gave it..
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 12:45pm On Apr 02|
In the beginning, God formed man from the dust of the earth and blew into his nostril the breath of life, and man became a living person! Genesis 2:7
God's plan is not to detach the components that made up the living person but for man to live forever!
So your question supposed to be why are we dying in the first place?
Has God's purpose for man changed due to Adam's rebellion?
Is it still possible for God to fulfill his purpose of living humans to continue praising him?
Jesus said God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, adding that he is not the God of the dead (those in the grave) but if the living (those capable of praising and worshiping him)!
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 4:37pm On Apr 02|
Maximus69:Without death life would be meaning less... There are just the two sides of the same thing.. Like light and darkness, up and down, Good and evil.. Etc..
Death is just an illusion.. As life is a circle, death is just a point on it....
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 5:04pm On Apr 02|
So are you saying God had it all planned out that death must be part of the program from the beginning?
If so why then did he have to punish Adam and Eve for doing things according to his plan?
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 5:09pm On Apr 02|
The Adam and Eve story is allegorical, it is not a literal story.. Stop trying to interpret spiritual stories literally.. That's why the atheist here are mocking you guys..
The story was adapted from a Babylonian epic, it just tells how man lost eternal life by making a wrong choice..
It is all God's plan from the beginning.. He created us like this with the ability to choose and to commit sin, but he expect us to pick ourselves up and try again and again and again...
We are spirits dwelling inside a body made of dust.. At death our spirits return back to God waiting for another experience...
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 5:17pm On Apr 02|
So please when exactly was the beginning and how did it begin, since we're not to take the Genesis account literally?
And since it's God's plan from the beginning, why then the Adam and Eve story?
Were they created to start procreating or God has already created all of us from the beginning along with his plan?
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 5:46pm On Apr 02|
Much of the stories where adapted from Babylonian stories..
Start with the enuma Elish.. It tell the story of the war in heaven and how Marduk was chosen to fight with tiamat.. He killed her and used her body to create the heaven and the earth.. And gave all the gods their stations.. He then proceeded to create man from the dust of the earth and his own blood(I hope you understand this to mean his spirit)..
The Adam and eve story was written by Ezra after they left the Babylonian exile.. He was the one who created Judaism as a religion..
Every culture have their own mythologies on how it started.. No body told you they are literal.. You are expected to read them and learn the hidden messages in them..
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by MuttleyLaff: 6:02pm On Apr 02|
sonmvayina:What a right dog's dinner confused dot com hotchpotch vomit mess. Eurgh! Makes me want to almost throw up. I told you that you are full of contradictions, didn't I, hmm?
sonmvayina:Liar, liar, liar, pants on fire. Nothing but big fat lies
Ezra did not write any Adam and Eve story, my foot. In fact what Ezra did was form back together a Jewish community based on the tenets of the Torah (i.e. Law and/or the regulations of the first five books of the Old Testament). The books of Ezra and Nehemiah are the only books in the bible ascribed to Ezra as a writer, nothing else buddy
Quit advancing nonsense in accordance to your preconceived ideas
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 6:30pm On Apr 02|
You have not provided a credible alternative...... Well, it means I am way far ahead of you in this matters...
Don't worry, you will catch up soon.
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 6:46pm On Apr 02|
Thanks for the information.
You've said a lot but you've not addressed my questions!
You said "we are spirits living in the body" so we are already eternal beings, right?
(1)how exactly did our existence begin?
(2)what exactly was formed, our body, spirit or soul?
(3)if man is the blood/spirit of another eternal being, were we all created the same time or few were created to start procreating the rest (as in reproduction through sex like other creatures)?
(4)if few were the first to be created, who are those ones?
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by MuttleyLaff: 6:47pm On Apr 02|
sonmvayina:Smh. Your contradictions are standing out like a sore throbbing fat thumb in plain sight for all to see, lol. Enjoy your false sense of confidence and your right dog's dinner confused dot com hotchpotch vomit mess.
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 7:08pm On Apr 02|
Yes we are eternal spirit..
1. The Yorubas said we were created by obatala. He moulded figurines in human forms and asked Eledumare to bring them to life.. (I might be wrong, but this is the version I know) the igbos said the same thing but the God responsible was Igwe, the Babylonian said the same thing but the God is Enki,.. Nobody was there when it happened but the general idea is that we were created from the dust of the earth and the spirit of God. (psalm 104 :29-31 "send forth YOUR spirit and they are created take it and they die and return back to dust).
2.our body was formed. Our spirits existed long ago..
3. Igbo tradition says 8 was created.. Some say 4 others 2..they had sexual relation and others came to have the human experience..
4. Each culture have various names for the first human created....
I read somewhere Enki and Ninmah created the first set of humans.. That is the negros,.. Enki and denkina created the second set the Caucasian while Enki and inanna(don't know how true) created the third set, the mongoloids.
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by MuttleyLaff: 8:02pm On Apr 02|
sonmvayina:Maximus67, Godspeed, on this bumpy ride with sonmvayina, lol. Dont forget to click on your seatbelt. Mind the giraffes, elephants, buffaloes, as he whizzes you round the scenic wildlife route, lol. Enjoy and remember to take pictures, lol
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 9:30pm On Apr 02|
Please why aren't you specific with your conviction?
You began speaking as if you know what you're saying but how come you are now incoherent in your beliefs?
What exactly did you believe and want to teach others?
You can't expect any right thinking person to forgo the Bible's account of Adam and Eve for this your inconsistent theory that you can't even defend with efficiency!
I purposely decided to play along to examine what exactly you knew that's making you speak against the inspired words of the Bible?
Just listen to yourself,
You want to teach people God's word, and you're not even composed on exactly what you want to inculcate in the mind of your listener!
Thanks for wasting my precious time!
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by MuttleyLaff: 9:42pm On Apr 02|
sonmvayina, Mr Contraditions
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 9:59am On Apr 04|
Sorry,I never knew I was talking to a 10 year old..so if you cannot deduce what I have been saying from my post,then I wonder how you got through school ..
The general consensus is that we are spirits dwelling in a physical body made of dust..I only quoted the Bible because that is the only one you know..
The message is the same in all religion.the stories might defer..
But you and your likes k3eps dwelling on the stories as if they are historical or literal..that is where you missed it.
The letter killerh,the spirit gives life...
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 10:29am On Apr 04|
I've heard you jare!
|Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by orunto27: 11:25am On Apr 09|
Religion is a Profession in WORDS & in DEEDS.. So every Word in KJV is not as loosely expressed as in general English Language.
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