so my mom go wait

GabrielKenneth:

They will continue to work in the hospital na, they just won't teach again. Only a Doctor can teach a medical student at clinical level and resident Doctors. Who do you replace them with? If you have 10Ph.D or even a professor and you are not a medical doctor, you can't teach at these levels so how will NUC win this fight?

Bros, You forgot to add that the requirement for being a Clinical lecturer is greater.
Only a Consultant who have spent 6-7 years in postgraduate training (that individual must have previously spent 7 years in medical school as an undergraduate) can teach Clinical students.

Now, NUC want to add 2-3 years again after 14 years. Na how many years remain to do the actual teaching before they die?

Gnaeusmagnus:


That's the problem.

While I think the idea that doctors who want to lecture should get PhD is not a bad idea,(I think it would promote research in our medical colleges) the road to hell is often paved with good intentions

The fact that most consultants don't have PhDs is the issue.

Phds will promote research? That is either a bad joke or a fundamental misunderstanding of postgraduate medical research.
Research is not necessarily academic. There is a lot of research carried out by Consultants who publish in their professional journals. They don't require Phds to do so
The most significant medical research has little to do with medical school but rather is situated in the private sector or purpose built research institutions
The issue is WHY most Consultants don't have Phds.
The answer is it adds no value to them and is s waste of time.
If you have a Phd without Fellowship you cannot work independently in a General or Teaching Hospital.
You have to work Under clinical supervision of a Consultant

The funny thing is many of these Consultants are not paid and teach FOR FREE

If u must lecture get a PhD...but the Doctors will want a different law,with time they will say a consultant should be a professor automatically because he has spent 6 extral years in residency

Correcto:
What an irritating comment! The problem with you guys is that you underrate every qualification except yours. If you don't want to have PhD then leave the university and work only in the hospital.

I see no reason why my comment should irritate you. Perhaps the right word you are looking for that afflicts you is inferiority complex.

How is it done in the USA? Do attending double as lecturers in med school? Someone pls educate me

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LOVEGINO:
#Diewell
all hail corona virus. We welcome thee

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Grow!

Correcto:
Government should effect no work no pay. Sack them if necessary. This strike thing is getting crazy and useless.

Then your father will go and treat people na

Am gonna avoid the cliche
Am gonna suspend my senses
Am gonna delay my pleasure

Correcto:
What an irritating comment! The problem with you guys is that you underrate every qualification except yours. If you don't want to have PhD then leave the university and work only in the hospital.

And your father will teach the medical students abi?

Why na,this corona time

AMOTEKUN2023:


PhD is the requirement for teaching so stop saying gibberish

Sodiquinone:
If u must lecture get a PhD...but the Doctors will want a differently law,with time they will say a consultant should be a professor automatically because he has spent 6 extral years in residency

0m0nnakoda:

Those Consultants who want to be professors MUST have doctorates. That is not even up for debate so what is clear is most antagonists have no understanding of the issues.
Over 90% of those who teach medical students in clinical years have no formal relationships with the Medical School/universities.
They are the ones, the ONLY ONES( or other doctors under their supervision ) who teach medical how to listen to the chest ,to examine ,the ,abdomen,deliver babies etc.
A Phd who is not a Fellow CANNOT do that in a teaching or General patient. A Phd who is not a Fellow CANNOT have an unsupervised relationship with a patient in a teaching Hospital .
Such a PhD CANNOT do unsupervised teaching on a ward or outpatient clinics and MUST work Under a Fellow.
What happens in Lecture theatres is a complete role reversal but clinical medicine happens in the Labour room not the Lecture theatres

Stop saying what you don't know.

Medical doctors worldwide has never required PhD for teaching clinical medicine. Not even in in the US, UK or other climes.(except in in university in Uganda where they award PhD automatically when you complete your fellowship. The fellowship programme which spans 5 to 10yrs is the only requirement worldwide to become a professor in medicine

Most people just rush to comment without having complete grasp of the matter. The contending issue here is career progression. Meaning a consultant lecturing in Nigerian University without a PhD will not have career progression ( promotion to professorial level) as obtained in other depts and faculties where lecturers without PhD irrespective of their professional qualifications like FNSE etc are never promoted to a professorial position. However, those ( consultants) with PhD in addition to the fellowship certificate will be awarded professorial poaition.
NUC never said consultant with PhD cannot be lecturers or lecture.

OBku4:


I sincerely pray covid-19 doesn't enter Nigeria... Cos it'll be a disaster (no mincing words). virus already a hotbed in South Korea, Iran and Italy.

Do you think Nigeria (Africa's most populous nation) can effectively place a travel ban on these countries and the remaining that would pop up?

what's the probability of Nigeria escaping this epidermic unscathed?

#importantconversations

are people not already dead in Nigeria or is it because they are still walking?abeg make i hear word jare, if the thing wan come make him come jo

Sodiquinone:
If u must lecture get a PhD...but the Doctors will want a differently law,with time they will say a consultant should be a professor automatically because he has spent 6 extral years in residency

Those Consultants who want to be professors MUST have doctorates. That is not even up for debate so what is clear is most antagonists have no understanding of the issues.
Over 90% of those who teach medical students in clinical years have no formal relationships with the Medical School/universities.
They are the ones, the ONLY ONES( or other doctors under their supervision ) who teach medical students to listen to the chest ,to examine ,the ,abdomen,deliver babies etc.
A Phd who is not a Fellow CANNOT do that in a teaching or General Hospital. A Phd who is not a Fellow CANNOT have an unsupervised relationship with a patient in a teaching Hospital .
Such a PhD CANNOT do unsupervised teaching on a ward or outpatient clinics and MUST work Under a Fellow.
What happens in Lecture theatres is a complete role reversal but clinical medicine happens in the Labour room not the Lecture theatres


What the Consultants are saying is if you bring these medical students to my clinic or my ward or my theatre they cannot have any kind of contact with my patients unless I approve
Do not send them to my clinic if you bring in these rules let me focus on treatment and not do any teaching.
Legally a patient has every right to refuse medical students but such rights are never explained to patients in Nigeria. Rather Consultants coerce patients in Teaching Hospitals to allow medical students to poke and prod them for no other reason than learning. Sometimes students make mistakes or misbehave and the Consultants can be struck off for their behaviour. So Consultants take significant PERSONAL risks to help medical education
Who needs who more?

By law only a person who has a driving licence can sit in a vehicle on a motorway and teach an unlicensed driver. Not even a Phd from the transport university in Daura can change that.

AMOTEKUN2023:


PhD is the requirement for teaching so stop saying gibberish

What do you have to say about other lecturers in other depts and faculties who are only Msc holders and still are lecturing?

It's quite simple - according to the NUC regulations, if you want to progress up the academic ladder to become a professor in a Nigerian university you must have a PhD, in addition to other requirements in your academic field.

If you don't want to become a professor, then don't bother getting a PhD - you can retire at the Lecturer 1 grade level.

NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES COMMISSION BENCHMARK MINIMUM ACADEMIC STANDARDS FOR POSTGRADUATE PROGRAMMES IN BASIC MEDICAL AND HEALTH SCIENCES IN NIGERIAN UNIVERSITIES

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4gBc2WlymPDS0FOVTZXa3lOYjg/view

NUC are bunch of hypocrites who thinks having a PhD is synonymous to academic brilliancy. I know lots of morons with PhD. Majority of these NUC executive were deprived of the opportunity to be a doctor, so they have serious beef and hatred for doctors. Idiots think it's easy to be a doctor. Show respect 100% you hypocritical NUC. Medical consultancy is superior to PhD!!!

NUC Develops Academic Postgraduate Programmes in Medicine
25 June 2018

https://www.nuc.edu.ng/nuc-develops-academic-postgraduate-programmes-in-medicine/

In its bid to meet the academic postgraduate requirements of Nigerian University System, the National Universities Commission (NUC), has developed academic postgraduate programmes in medicine. The programme is designed to award Masters, Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) and Doctor of Medicine (MD).

The Executive Secretary, NUC, Professor Abubakar Adamu Rasheed, mni, MFR, FNAL highlighted the general need to overhaul the medical curricula for both undergraduate and postgraduate programmes.

He said this at a meeting with some Deans of Post Graduate schools and Provosts of Colleges of Medicine of Nigerian Universities last Wednesday in the Commission.

In his address, the Executive Secretary stressed the need to enhance and refresh the medical profession, hence the decision by the Commission to assemble experts in the medical profession to develop the curriculum which include graduates of Medicine and Dentistry who were lecturers currently on their fellowship, could now undertake their PhD concurrently with some concession.

He said it was necessary to re-introduce the option of MD by publication to provide opportunity for many Professors to keep contributing new knowledge for as long as they wanted without the rigors of interfacing with any supervisor.

Professor Rasheed informed the meeting that the PhD was not a replacement of the fellowship training in the medical field but an option to the medical profession as a whole. It would henceforth be a pre-requisite for any medical professional that wanted to pursue the teaching career.

He explained that the said doctorate degree was strictly for the graduates of medicine and not for other science disciplines which could be acquired not only through thesis but also through publications in high impact journals.

He stressed that every scholar shall publish a minimum of 5 articles on the same topic and the publication date must not be earlier than the date of registration for the programme.

The 3 categories of people that would be allowed to get a PhD included:

1. Those that must have enrolled in the fellowship programme of either the national or West African medical schools and successfully passed the part one of either or both and embark on the part 2 without a Masters degree can be allowed to start their part 2 and enroll for a PhD too. The student should be expected to work on the 2 projects at the same time but can be given a very good concession from the National Post Graduate Medical College to serve as incentive.

He added that if a student registered for fellowship in medical college and he/she completed the PhD before he/she submit himself for the final exam in Lagos and had successfully defended the PhD thesis, the medical college could examine him on several other issues but waive the thesis requirement and adopt the PhD thesis in its place.

2. Those Fellows who want to have a PhD in addition to other qualifications could register for the programme without any requirements or course work, but would be required to write a thesis within specified period under the supervision of a very reliable lecturer.

3. And those who were not interested in becoming fellows but have very good MBBS degrees but want an MSc and a PhD.

The Executive Secretary also commended [b]the leadership of MDCN (Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria) [/b]for sheathing their swords and joining in the intense discussions on matters that they were very passionate about and advised that coming together to develop the health sector was more important than being at loggerheads, as NUC and other professional bodies were all geared at championing the same course.

He also informed them that there was need for MDCN and NUC to meet and discuss appropriate undergraduate admission quota for colleges of medicine.

He expressed his gratitude to all of them present on their doggedness at maintaining a very impressive standard in the medical education.

In his speech, the Director, Directorate of Academic Planning, Dr. Gidado B. Kumo, said that the meeting with Deans of Post Graduate schools and Provosts of Colleges of Medicine in Nigerian Universities was very necessary because they were authorities in the matter and had to be kept abreast of any development on issues pertaining to requirements for admission into any degree awarding programme.

He said the Commission needed to discuss with them as stakeholders to arrest any area of difficulty that a student might come across in his university in the pursuit of his PhD and also make them the Commission’s ambassadors when matters arise in their respective university Senates.

The Executive Secretary, Medical Schools for Africa and Provost, University of Ibadan Medical School, Professor E. Oluwabunmi Olapade – Olaopa on behalf of the Deans and Provosts present, thanked the Executive Secretary, NUC for introducing the doctor of medicine MD option into the medical practice in Nigeria. He agreed that medical education was a continuum and therefore a PhD for the medical school was very important in order to reverse the dearth of doctors in the society and keep the system as fresh as possible.

He added that though research was important, of greater importance was establishing a link between the research from the PhDs and the clinical medicine, to know the impact of your research clinically.

He hoped that the standard of the qualification would be of high quality and urged the lecturers to continuously participate in the supervision of the doctorate thesis, regardless of whether they belonged to the clinical field or basic sciences, to promote synergy and continuous training that will ensure the profession boasts of more doctors with research degrees.

Professor Oluwabunmi particularly stressed the need to keep doctors in-country and provide them with the same degrees they go to seek in other countries. While keeping them busy with the PhD and MD degrees, they should be encouraged to write publications and keep adding knowledge and value to the medical field. This, he said would drive the development of effective health systems nationwide.

Present at the meeting were Provosts of some Colleges of Medicine and some Deans of Post Graduate Schools of Nigerian universities. The NUC Team included, Dr. Gidado Bello Kumo, Pharmacist Audu, Mrs. Nwosu and other staff of the Directorate of Academic Planning.

0m0nnakoda:

Those Consultants who want to be professors MUST have doctorates. That is not even up for debate so what is clear is most antagonists have no understanding of the issues.
Over 90% of those who teach medical students in clinical years have no formal relationships with the Medical School/universities.
They are the ones, the ONLY ONES( or other doctors under their supervision ) who teach medical how to listen to the chest ,to examine ,the ,abdomen,deliver babies etc.
A Phd who is not a Fellow CANNOT do that in a teaching or General Hospital. A Phd who is not a Fellow CANNOT have an unsupervised relationship with a patient in a teaching Hospital .
Such a PhD CANNOT do unsupervised teaching on a ward or outpatient clinics and MUST work Under a Fellow.
What happens in Lecture theatres is a complete role reversal but clinical medicine happens in the Labour room not the Lecture theatres


What the Consultants are saying is if you bring these medical students to my clinic or my ward or my theatre they cannot have any kind of contact with my patients unless I approve do not send them to my clinic if you bring in these rules let me focus on treatment and not do any teaching.
Who needs who more?

What they should be advocating for is a residency-PhD pathway. Or MBBS-PHD pathway for those interested in lecturing.
It may seem hard now but a time will come when they would wish otherwise.

DCmonster:
NUC are bunch of hypocrites who thinks having a PhD is synonymous to academic brilliancy. I know lots of morons with PhD. Majority of these NUC executive were deprived of the opportunity to be a doctor, so they have serious beef and hatred for doctors. Idiots think it's easy to be a doctor. Show respect 100% you hypocritical NUC. Medical consultancy is superior to PhD!!!

You are not helping with this line of argument. It makes you less brilliant too

The permanent solution is to pull medical colleges out the university...
Let them be independent institutions...like a mono-university....
It will be good for everybody....

NUC will be happy there's no professor without PhD lecturing in universities....
Other university lecturers will be happy to get rid of perceived 'arrogant medical consultants'...

Medical doctors can chart their own career progression without interference from NUC....
V.C of these medical institutions can have more say at the federal level....
The governing body can push for more medical research funding and collaboration with foreign medical institutions.....

Medical students will also be free from hassles of ASU strikes, cultism, and other vices plaguing our universities....

Win win for everybody....

Anyone who needs PHD should pass through the university. How can professional bodies award PHD? These consultants want to use strike to force NUC into accepting that their fellowship is equal to PHD, indirectly saying that their professional body can award PHD.

If this is approved, then ICAN will be equal to PHD, and some institutions that are involved in certifications will also come up with same argument that their certifications are equal to PHD. Professional post graduate colleges will join in the same argument until PHD becomes a "tissue degree".

TheArchangel:
You are not helping with this line of argument. It makes you less brilliant too

what's this one saying? Bleep off pls!

TheArchangel:
What they should be advocating for is a residency-PhD pathway. Or MBBS-PHD pathway for those interested in lecturing.
It may seem hard now but a time will come when they would wish otherwise.

That already exists.
Most doctors are not interested in "lecturing " as employees except in a "Honorary" capacity.
The system is existentially dependent on them.
So this directive seems like intentional self harm or suicidal behaviour.
I am not even speaking on whether it is good or bad but kolewerk

Obviously you stupid like yours

Gassa007:
And your father will teach the medical students abi?

Get a PhD you fool!!! I won't insult your Dad because he might be a good man that gave birth to stupid being

Gassa007:

Then your father will go and treat people na

Gassa007:

And your father will teach the medical students abi?

Dont mind the shallow minded fellow. All fluff and no pomp.

NUC means PhD in general surgery or cardiology, or neurosurgery or pediatric surgery etc?
Which one?

The British Medical Association (BMA) UK
Last updated: 25 February 2019

Intercalated degrees
As part of your medical studies, you may have the option to do an intercalating degree, which is time out of your regular medical degree to study a specific area of interest.

Many medical schools in the UK offer full intercalated degrees, where it is part of the degree for all medical students to take a year off to study a different field.

Whilst other medical schools require you to apply for the year off, which usually occurs during your third or fourth year.

Intercalating is often seen as a way into academic medicine, with the opportunity to undertake clinical research or education and teaching.

What are the benefits of intercalating?
Intercalating means you receive an additional degree on top of your undergraduate medical degree, which could lead to the option of doing a PhD later on in your career.

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Medical students in the UK have an option

You are so funny!!! Superiority complex is what you maybe suffering from. Actually, you guys are beginning to get stupid. Bleep your residency and Get a PhD, it is a requirement for lecturing.

peacettw:


I see no reason why my comment should irritate you. Perhaps the right word you are looking for is inferiority complex.

How hard is it for you to understand that in Nigeria Phd is a requirement?

d33types:






Stop saying what you don't know.

Medical doctors worldwide has never required PhD for teaching clinical medicine. Not even in in the US, UK or other climes.(except in in university in Uganda where they award PhD automatically when you complete your fellowship. The fellowship programme which spans 5 to 10yrs is the only requirement worldwide to become a professor in medicine