sassysure:

I know what bastard or illegitimate is.
Gosh!
Go back to that man's post at the beginning.
He said they did introduction.

There is no such word as introduction in the OP.

They need not go to court really if things work smoothly for them. It will be a natural transition to hand him over his father's property in this case mostly landed. By that time he is already living with them. Officially using their name etc so why will they deny him what is his father's?
Is he an attachee?
If they can deny him, why is the grandma after him?
Doesn't make sense.

You and I are converging on the same point here but you don't realize it.

The man's mother is not denying the child, does not suddenly imply the child is not illegitimate
That's just a mother's love for her deceased son being bestowed on the child he left behind, her grandchild...which may now be the only means to have a living memory of her dead son.

The real argument from the beginning of the thread was if the man's mother can take back all the property he left behind...and yes, she can absolutely do that if she wants because the lady was not married to her late son yet.
At the same time, if she desires to keep these things in trust for the little child until he is grown, it is on her discretion and not because the child has a right to it.

Clearer now?

sassysure:


The child isn't illegitimate as marriage was on the way before the guy died. His family recognised the child too.

The guy never answered my questions as he was only out for legal battle which they will lose instead of ironing things out the good old way.

If the relationship between the lady and the guy's family were smooth, this will not be happening.

That child will be integrated into that family even if the mum later married. He will be holidaying with grandma, his late dad's things will be his automatically when he became a man but right now under the custody of the mum.

The family will even love her like their daughter because of the child.

We all come hard on the grandma forgeting she had her side of the story too.

Also this is Nigeria not the West.


Even in my strict culture, once u don carry wine meet the family and declare your interest and this happened, the child will go to the guy's family. It wasn't anybody's fault so the right thing should be done.

Thanks for your input I appreciate. Am not out here to condemn the woman but she is the pure definition of devil.

What kind of son would want to have his wedding and would not inform his mum?

What kind of woman would want to abandoned his handicap (accident result ) husband to go live with the sons wife in a rented apartment?


She is the Sec to devil

crackkhaus:


There is no such word as introduction in the OP.


You and I are converging on the same point here but you don't realize it.

The man's mother is not denying the child, does not suddenly imply the child is not illegitimate
That's just a mother's love for her deceased son being bestowed on the child he left behind, her grandchild...which may now be the only means to have a living memory of her dead son.

The real argument from the beginning of the thread was if the man's mother can take back all the property he left behind...and yes, she can absolutely do that if she wants because the lady was not married to her late son yet.
At the same time, if she desires to keep these things in trust for the little child until he is grown, it is on her discretion and not because the child has a right to it.

Clearer now?

Check out the guy's reply to me.
I know something was terribly wrong.

I'm not arguing again.

They will come with half story and I will be killing myself looking for easier solution.

If the man was planning wedding without telling his mum, I completely wash my hand off this and wish them luck.


Go and buy face mask

princemillla:




Thanks for your input I appreciate. Am not out here to condemn the woman but she is the pure definition of devil.

What kind of son would want to have his wedding and would not inform his mum?

What kind of woman would want to abandoned his handicap (accident result ) husband to go live with the sons wife in a rented apartment?


She is the Sec to devil

Guy, I wish u all luck.

I can't continue to debate on a case that more than 80% of the real problem is not provided.


I'm not that idle.

sassysure:

Check out the guy's reply to me.
I know something was terribly wrong.

I'm not arguing again.

They will come with half story and I will be killing myself looking for easier solution.

If the man was planning wedding without telling his mum, I completely wash my hand off this and wish them luck.


Go and buy face mask

Na you I suppose dey tell to buy face mask, in fact buy hazmat suit sef.

As it is nah, dem say na only 1case dey naija and you people in England are having to deal with 40cases and counting. Not to mention that Italy the free-distributors of COVID-19 is right in your backyard.

Please no go crowded places like Trafalgar Square for any reason I take God beg you. Avoid train sef if possible..
If I hear say you carry that your waka waka leg dey go anywhere apart from school, house, or church...I will find you and I will deal with you.

crackkhaus:



Na you I suppose dey tell to buy face mask, in fact buy hazmat suit sef.

As it is nah, dem say na only 1case dey naija and you people in England are having to deal with 40cases and counting. Not to mention that Italy the free-distributors of COVID-19 is right in your backyard.

Please no go crowded places like Trafalgar Square for any reason I take God beg you. Avoid train sef if possible..
If I hear say you carry that your waka waka leg dey go anywhere apart from school, house, or church...I will find you and I will deal with you.

Nothing like face mask here o.
My school and place of work are crowded
Hand sanitizer is what they are encouraged to use more
I don't even know if they are aware of this epidemic
In class today, one of my teacher was creating awareness and some people were looking at her like mumu.
Seriously?

These people sef.

sassysure:

Nothing like face mask here o.
My school and place of work are crowded
Hand sanitizer is what they are encouraged to use more
I don't even know if they are aware of this epidemic
In class today, one of my teacher was creating awareness and some people were looking at her like mumu.
Seriously?

These people sef.

That's what usually happens because they have confidence in the system.
No panic.

Until people start falling down dead in the streets, majority of British people will never take anything serious.

sassysure:

Nothing like face mask here o.
My school and place of work are crowded
Hand sanitizer is what they are encouraged to use more
I don't even know if they are aware of this epidemic
In class today, one of my teacher was creating awareness and some people were looking at her like mumu.
Seriously?

These people sef.

interesting.
It seems the fear porn is aimed mainly for Nigerians .
I will say it again coronavirus is mere psychological terrorism.

sassysure:

Guy, I wish u all luck.

I can't continue to debate on a case that more than 80% of the real problem is not provided.


I'm not that idle.

Bros the post is clear and direct. I just needed a clarifications on the above not dishing out the family history.

There were no fight nor single issue befor the guys death. All happens just immediately after the guy died.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/301797595_A_Critical_Appraisal_of_the_Right_of_Inheritance_of_Children_Born_Out_of_Wedlock

There is an article in this link above that may perhaps shed more light on the inheritance by children born out of wedlock in nigeria. It is an analysis of several cases in court regarding inheritance. There is one of the cases Ukeje vs Ukeje which finally got to the supreme court and judgement was made to support inheritance for children born out of wedlock, provided the man claimed paternity with birth certificate, pictures (which obviously will include naming ceremony ones) or even if he denies paternity and DNA proved he's the father.
I'm no lawyer, but I strongly believe the law is for truth and justice to prevail.
It's common sense really, because where is the justice when a child cannot inherit his father or mother?

sassysure:
Has your sis been in good terms with them after their son's demise?
Or she was giving off the vibe " This all belong to me cos I have a child for him"


I don't know how engagement works in your tribe but in mine, that u are engaged doesn't give you a title of a wife so officially those things aren't yours. They belong to his family.
And u don't have any right over them.

If in this case, as she has a child, she and them should strike a good relationship so his family will help in training the new born and foster relationship with the guy's family.
She will marry again I guess or are u suggesting she take their late son's property to her new home?

How was their relationship before his death and how did he die.

Strike a relationship with such greedy people. What would those types imbibe in a child?

She should remove her child from that kind of family or soon, they will start feeding the boy with falsehood about his mother.

sassysure:

No case here. Lawyer will just chop their money.
The property don't belong to her. Period.

I'm worried about her shop though.
Is it in her name or the guy opened and equipped it for the wife to be?

Their relationship is already sour so what actually happened?

Was she claiming those property?

The late guy's mum isn't here so I have learnt not to draw conclusion again from one angle as the other party is always painted bad.

Good points

My own question is won't the young woman marry again

U av a child for him but u are not married to him, so what are you fighting for?
Is it your child or his property

Property-wise u don't av a say,u are not married to him .
I guess u were planning to take the property all in the name of u had a son for him and afterwards marry another person (which is expected of you rightfully) and take the new found wealth to his house abi

What happens to the deceased mother ,who takes care of him .....I know you will say other kids abi

Now let us switch position if Na you ,shey u go gree make one babe wey get pikin for ur son but not married ,who we all know will marry someone else later in life come and claim property


If u are fighting for the child ,good
State what you really want .
Property or child

bigiyaro:
op, like the guys above said, there is no case here since your sister was not completely legally married to the guy, except he got any property for her on her own name. Also so if the shop rent was paid in the guys name then she has no case there too. She can as well empty the shop and move on. As for the child, you guys need to stand firmly by her, even in the court, the first preference as a child's custodian are his parents, if there is any dispute, the child's mother is the number one preference except where the biological father is able to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the biological mother is unable to care for the child. If the 'woman' comes near your sis again, just call the police, they will read her rights to her. Good luck.

I agree to this

You have a right over the kid

eyinjuege:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/301797595_A_Critical_Appraisal_of_the_Right_of_Inheritance_of_Children_Born_Out_of_Wedlock

There is an article in this link above that may perhaps shed more light on the inheritance by children born out of wedlock in nigeria. It is an analysis of several cases in court regarding inheritance. There is one of the cases Ukeje vs Ukeje which finally got to the supreme court and judgement was made to support inheritance for children born out of wedlock, provided the man claimed paternity with birth certificate, pictures (which obviously will include naming ceremony ones) or even if he denies paternity and DNA proved he's the father.
I'm no lawyer, but I strongly believe the law is for truth and justice to prevail.
It's common sense really, because where is the justice when a child cannot inherit his father or mother?

Only if the man claim paternity and officially.
If DNA proved he is a father there are many clauses inserted before he can claim his father's property.

Here, the man is dead.
We dont even know if the child is his.

Options are strongly against her and I don't want to paint her bad at all but I also don't want to believe the said mum woke up one day to become a jezebel.

The guy here( I'm assuming there is more in it for him too) fighting for her said they were planning wedding without involving the mum.

Ladies always make this silly mistake of running on emotions instead of common sense when making some long term decisions like marriage.
And on the long run, they always lose. Nigerian society is cruel to women most times and the only way women stays above head is using sense instead of emotions to conquer.
Did she know the man will die?
Now the mother is claiming everything.

Stay away from men that are not close to their parents or people. U will be burned in the end. Nigeria don't practise nuclear family system.

It's even better to marry a girl with weird family background than man.

sassysure:

Only if the man claim paternity and officially.
If DNA proved he is a father there are many clauses inserted before he can claim his father's property.

Here, the man is dead.
We dont even know if the child is his.

Options are strongly against her and I don't want to paint her bad at all but I also don't want to believe the said mum woke up one day to become a jezebel.

The guy here( I'm assuming there is more in it for him too) fighting for her said they were planning wedding without involving the mum.

Ladies always make this silly mistake of running on emotions instead of common sense when making some long term decisions like marriage.
And on the long run, they always lose. Nigerian society is cruel to women most times and the only way women stays above head is using sense instead of emotions to conquer.
Did she know the man will die?
Now the mother is claiming everything.

Stay away from men that are not close to their parents or people. U will be burned in the end. Nigeria don't practise nuclear family system.

It's even better to marry a girl with weird family background than man.

U are so right!
But the clarification I am seeking doesn't have anything to do with property but the kid.
Theyve taken the most vital properties. So we are less concerned but the kids in question is my top concern. How can one let go of her 5months old baby? Wen the mother is still alive sound and healthy?

sassysure:

Only if the man claim paternity and officially.
If DNA proved he is a father there are many clauses inserted before he can claim his father's property.

Here, the man is dead.
We dont even know if the child is his.

Options are strongly against her and I don't want to paint her bad at all but I also don't want to believe the said mum woke up one day to become a jezebel.

The guy here( I'm assuming there is more in it for him too) fighting for her said they were planning wedding without involving the mum.

Ladies always make this silly mistake of running on emotions instead of common sense when making some long term decisions like marriage.
And on the long run, they always lose. Nigerian society is cruel to women most times and the only way women stays above head is using sense instead of emotions to conquer.
Did she know the man will die?
Now the mother is claiming everything.

Stay away from men that are not close to their parents or people. U will be burned in the end. Nigeria don't practise nuclear family system.

It's even better to marry a girl with weird family background than man.

Every case and circumstances are different. There are no hiden clause about paternity in the article stated above. Perhaps take some time off to study it, if you can.
It is very clear , and no grey areas for this particular case.
The paternity of THIS child in question has never been in doubt. Even the paternal grandma acknowledges the child as her grandson, and wants to raise the child.

I understood from the OPs write up that the man in question was alive when the child was born. I'm almost 100% certain that the father's name is also on the birth certificate.

What further proof of paternity do you need by law again? I'm almost certain that the deceased also gave that child a name, and perhaps even the grandma gave a name too.

Remember once again, this is not a paternity dispute.

Unless you're telling everyone including yourself that once a parent is late, that automatically calls into dispute, the paternity of their children.
I assume your dad acknowledged you as his child, and you've never had a DNA test to prove that fact. When he gets old and passes on, can we be allowed to bring your paternity into dispute?, afterall who knows if he was really your father?
The law is very clear, and I'm almost sure it even covers for adopted children acknowledged by dead people when they were alive.

Perhaps, those who studied Nigerian law can shed further light, as I am no lawyer and maybe my interpretation of the article is different from what the law says.

eyinjuege:


Every case and circumstances are different. There are no hiden clause about paternity in the article stated above. Perhaps take some time off to study it, if you can.
It is very clear , and no grey areas for this particular case.
The paternity of THIS child in question has never been in doubt. Even the paternal grandma acknowledges the child as her grandson, and wants to raise the child.

I understood from the OPs write up that the man in question was alive when the child was born. I'm almost 100% certain that the father's name is also on the birth certificate.

What further proof of paternity do you need by law again? I'm almost certain that the deceased also gave that child a name, and perhaps even the grandma gave a name too.

Remember once again, this is not a paternity dispute.

Unless you're telling everyone including yourself that once a parent is late, that automatically calls into dispute, the paternity of their children.
I assume your dad acknowledged you as his child, and you've never had a DNA test to prove that fact. When he gets old and passes on, can we be allowed to bring your paternity into dispute?, afterall who knows if he was really your father?
The law is very clear, and I'm almost sure it even covers for adopted children acknowledged by dead people when they were alive.

Perhaps, those who studied Nigerian law can shed further light, as I am no lawyer and maybe my interpretation of the article is different from what the law says.

I think most of us are making our statements based on the fact that the man died before the child was born.
Unless I'm mistaken, u can clarify from the @op.

Also, if his name was on the birth certificate, I don't think this guy will be here. Birth certificate and DNA in the case of dead father who wasn't able to sign the birth certificate is the only things any court in this world will work with.

Any other aside this is dead on arrival.
Best way is appeal to their conscience like I stated earlier if u don't have this two to work with.

princemillla:
Good noon guys pls I need the right input. Pls kindly read carefully and let me know how to best attack the issue.

NB : ignore any form of typos as am tensed while writing this.


I have a Lil sis who got engaged Last year. ThO she was pregnant befor the engagement.

Things were rosy after the engagement but along the line the young guy died last year December (2019).
Befor the guy died the wife delivered a boy.
Just immediately after the guy was pronounced dead, the guys mother collected both the landed property and car key from my sis.

Now she wanted my sis to come drop off a boy of 5months plus every property in their apartment to her (the deceased mothers) place. She also want to pick everything in my sis shop.



How do one tackle this issue house pls.

I would appreciate your family and his family sort this out

Engagement is different from marriage

If they want those material things, she should give them and have peace

She can't hold on to what doesn't belongs to her

But she should keep her son with her and if they insist they want the baby, let them go to court you guys will meet him there

Am sure their are unsettled issues hanging on before the death of the man, let your sister go and take care if herself, its obvious they don't want her from inception

Only God can bless who he wants to bless

I really feel for your sister, thank God she is not married to the guy just imagine what she will go through it so obvious that the guys mum doesn't like her from the beginning but playing along maybe because of her son I really feel for her I would advise that she doesn't fight over anything let her concentrate more on her son and let nature take its course

LadySarah:
No marriage here. She's at the mercy of the baby daddy's family.

All those I must taste and see what I want to buy, have you seen how you complicated a lady's life.

I feel for your sis.

My thoughts exactly o,my sister. Na to label u 'judgina', dispassionate, etc if u say it as it is. Until u're legally,religiously or traditionally joined together, YOU'RE NOT MARRIED!