jneutron4000:
How is Benin older than Yoruba, when the person that started the Obaship dynasty is a son of Oranmiyan from Ile Ife and his son Eweka started the Benin Kingdom. All previous heads of the Oba of Benin are burried in Ile Ife till the last Oba of benin that was exiled to Calabar. . Benin Kingdom is an extention of kingdoms created by sons and descendants from Ile Ife. The Binis choose to have their own identity and we said fine, but to prove that their first king father is from ife, some of the gods some worship in Edo state such as Ogun, Obatala, Oloku etc are Yoruba gods and religions conceive by Yorubas.

You could conquer a place and still take the conquered territories culture and religion e.g when Rome conquered Greece the took philosophy and Greek religion back , also, Rome conquered Israel but ended up being Christians themselves.

prezeus:

You yorubas guys are amazing. You want to tell Benin history to suit your ego but it doesn't work that way. You can't change the past. Before the oba dynasty in Benin , the ogiso's ruled for hundreds of years . It's a known fact !! Every history textbook on the Benin empire acknowledges that the ogiso's laid the framework for the system used by the oba dynasty. The guild system in Benin started with the ogiso, the progenitor system of transferring power from father to son started with the ogiso not the oba dynasty. This is basic history every Benin boy knows. It is taught in schools and colleges. As a 100 level student in the university of Benin ,we learnt all this in a course called Nigerian people and culture. So if this is not correct then I think you ( the omniscience ) should hold a debate with the university of Benin history department and challenge them to change the curriculum and teach the truth as you see fit . Thank you.

You Benin people are funny and always want to massage your ego, despite every traceable evidence that shows that the Oranmiyan son Eweka started the Benin kingdom, go to Osun state visible evidence are there. You are talking about books and Benin historian, what do you expect them to tell you? of course they will say what suit them. Ogun god some worship today in Benin Edo state, go to Osun state, you will see where the real Ogun god abode. Even the name Benin started in the time of Eweka dynasty which means there was nothing like Benin Kingdom before Eweka. If you check the Portuguese archive you will only see Benin kingdom, you will hardly find anything like Ogiso or Igodomigodo. All the story of one prince ran away and his name was changed bla bla bla are just falsehood which the aim is for the Eweka Oba dynasty to lord over the aborigines, now it is become unacceptable to we Yorubas because it is distorting the real historical event that happened. For God sake take a bus from Benin down to Ile Ife and go and see where the heads of previous Oba of Benins are buried to confirm the story.

prezeus:

You could conquer a place and still take the conquered territories culture and religion e.g when Rome conquered Greece the took philosophy and Greek religion back , also, Rome conquered Israel but ended up being Christians themselves.

Thank you very much... Where was Oyo empire when eastern Yoruba was captured by Benin empire, don't com and tel us Oyo saw Benin as a brother, if Benin Neva had any control y was the bight name bight of Benin although Benin was in the interior...
According to all books Benin where the first to meet the white man, or the place the first white man that landed in Nigeria was in Benin but how com present day Benin is now landlock

I guess is also true that there is a seat in your town where only the oba of Benin alone is allowed to sit,this was laid down by oduduwa...

Why is there also a shrine for the queen mother of Benin is she also laid there... It's called a shrine and shrine are place of worship....

U made mention of Ogun what about olokun the goddess of the sea y do Yoruba worship it too...

Izo du wa: o du du wa it's the same Benin Prince...

jneutron4000:
You Benin people are funny and always want to massage your ego, despite every traceable evidence that shows that the Oranmiyan son Eweka started the Benin kingdom, go to Osun state visible evidence are there. You are talking about books and Benin historian, what do you expect them to tell you? of course they will say what suit them. Ogun god some worship today in Benin Edo state, go to Osun state, you will see where the real Ogun god abode. Even the name Benin started in the time of Eweka dynasty which means there was nothing like Benin Kingdom before Eweka. If you check the Portuguese archive you will only see Benin kingdom, you will hardly find anything like Ogiso or Igodomigodo. All the story of one prince ran away and his name was changed bla bla bla are just falsehood which the aim is for the Eweka Oba dynasty to lord over the aborigines, now it is become unacceptable to we Yorubas because it is distorting the real historical event that happened. For God sake take a bus from Benin down to Ile Ife and go and see where the heads of previous Oba of Benins are buried to confirm the story.

prezeus:

Agbor and the entire igbos in present say delta state was colonised by benin empire. Their rulers still pay homage to the Oba of Benin till today.

lol...what you can say is that Bini empire influenced Delta Igbos. Colonization is another thing all together

selemempe:
lol...what you can say is that Bini empire influenced Delta Igbos. Colonization is another thing all together

Bro no offence but just tel us your definition of the word colonisation, so I would personally understand you....

Good afternoon

Dartilo:




Bro no offence but just tel us your definition of the word colonisation, so I would personally understand you....

Good afternoon

the binis didn't settle in igboland...they simply influenced Igbo towns close to their border
The fulanis from far far Guinea Bissau came and settled among the Hausa and subsequently established leadership that was intended on controlling the Hausa society

selemempe:
lol...what you can say is that Bini empire influenced Delta Igbos. Colonization is another thing all together

The delta igbos, itsekiris all paid tributes to Benin till the empire was ended by the British in 1897. Please stop being ignorant and proud. If you don't know say you don't know. Stop making a fool of yourself.

oyatz:
Dahomey was a colony of the Oyo Empire.
They paid taxes and royalties to the Oyo Empire.

In the olden days, the Heirs to the throne of Dahomey must live in the Palace of the Alaafin, tutored in the art of governance, History and Military trainings.

He is given one of the daughters of the Alaafin to to marry as his first wife to cement diplomatic relationships between the two royal families.

You are a terrible liar. Kai!!!


You see how you lied about the heir to the throne and then put a screenshot of the Oyo empire which has no inferential link to the lies, to justify your lies?

I'm watching you.

Gabriel004:
[s][/s]Stop claiming rubbish. Bini are yorubas, what is the meaning of bini in their language. Bini has meaning in Yoruba.

Same Oba called people like you idiot for lie you created in his name.

The Oyo empire peaked at 17th century. The Portuguese had been visiting Bini since the 14th century. Use your head, who came out of who?

prezeus:

The delta igbos, itsekiris all paid tributes to Benin till the empire was ended by the British in 1897. Please stop being ignorant and proud. If you don't know say you don't know. Stop making a fool of yourself.

lol... you simply don't understand what colonization means. And your uncouth language means you can't be taught.

selemempe:
lol... you simply don't understand what colonization means. And your uncouth language means you can't be taught.

The delta igbos accept as part of their history that they were once part of the Benin empire . You my friend are an ignorant buffoon. Maybe if had taken your time to actually research and not wasting all your data watching porn and your spare time following tacha and mercy , maybe you would have a little idea of what I'm talking about.

I Really hate that word "colonized" what a beautiful way of covering the True Meaning which is Armed Robbery, Genocide, Stealing and illegal/Unlawful Possession of Land Belonging to Another!

Dartilo:




Thank you very much... Where was Oyo empire when eastern Yoruba was captured by Benin empire, don't com and tel us Oyo saw Benin as a brother, if Benin Neva had any control y was the bight name bight of Benin although Benin was in the interior...
According to all books Benin where the first to meet the white man, or the place the first white man that landed in Nigeria was in Benin but how com present day Benin is now landlock

see, leave Yoruba people and their lies. I be Igbo but I go talk truth.

The bini's fvcked up big time. If they had expanded their territories back in the 11th/12th century, Yoruba no go dey talk this lies wey them dey talk.

When you start to read on Yoruba history, the dates start from about 1600...

Around 1300, the Portuguese and other Europeans were already visiting Bini kingdom for tourism, to admire their art, how the city was organized, their system of government, their defense system etc.

The yorubas love telling lies to distort history.

prezeus:

The delta igbos accept as part of their history that they were once part of the Benin empire . You my friend are an ignorant buffoon. Maybe if had taken your time to actually research and not wasting all your data watching porn and your spare time following tacha and mercy , maybe you would have a little idea of what I'm talking about.

I'm the creator of this thread. I study history professionally.
I liked one of your posts when you said you can colonise someone and keep their language.
I however think you are not a very intelligent person that I can debate with so.....

oyatz:
The OP doesn't know what he is talking about.




The Binis colonized Urhobo, parts of Yorubaland, Parts of Igboland and the Eshan people.

The Igalas colonized Northern Igboland.

The Oyo Empire (Yorubas) colonized Dahomey

Fulanis also colonized the yorubas vis Ilorin Kwarra. No fool dare try such nonsense anywhere in Igboland. Stop writing garbage.

selemempe:
I'm the creator of this thread. I study history professionally.
I liked one of your posts when you said you can colonise someone and keep their language.
I however think you are not a very intelligent person that I can debate with so.....

See how illogical you are . So creating a thread on nairaland means you are omniscience or what ?? Or does studying history mean you are an authority on this particular subject matter ?? This is a classic example of argumentum an auctoritate . If a person is a maths graduate and he says 1+1=3 should those who are not mathematicians accept that conclusion because they are not mathematicians ?? Stop the fallacies . Go back and do your research with out bias, draw a conclusion then put the truth you have acquired on this thread. We are not going anywhere , we are waiting.

Dartilo:

I guess is also true that there is a seat in your town where only the oba of Benin alone is allowed to sit,this was laid down by oduduwa...

Why is there also a shrine for the queen mother of Benin is she also laid there... It's called a shrine and shrine are place of worship....

U made mention of Ogun what about olokun the goddess of the sea y do Yoruba worship it too...

Izo du wa: o du du wa it's the same Benin Prince...

There is no sit for anybody in Ile Ife apart from Ooni, also Olokun is a Yoruba god and some of you Benin worship. There is no lost Benin Prince that is a fallacy.