LordReed:


There are things that can be logically justified, that is not evidence they exist except as concepts. Until we found evidence for black holes they were merely the result of mathematical calculations. We have a history of religion stretching back thousands of years, yet all you have to show for proving a god exists is logical arguments. That is terribly weak.

LordReed:

You can persist in thinking the OP seeks to disprove god even after being set right but the fact remains, your gods remain undemonstrated.

RisenPhoenix:


On the contrary. If logic dictates that the existence of a thing is more likely than its mon existence, that is practically definitive proof that it does indeed exist. The whole universe is built upon immutable laws, and it is these laws that form the foundation of logical premise. After the logical deductions based upon mathematical calculations, black holes were indeed, discovered proving that a hypothesis based on flawless logical premise always turns out to be true.



Oh I do persist. Because it is absolutely correct that the op opened this thread specifically to insinuate that the presence of coronavirus negates the existence of God. And whilst I agree that the presence of a creator cannot be demonstrated to those who confess that they are not swayed by logical evidence, neither has your op's premise been proven either; and it was him who had a point to prove, not I (the existence of this thread is my witness).

LordReed:


You confuse the map for the place. If I draw a map that follows all the rules of map making, it does not follow that the map is of a real place, it could be a map of a fictional land. Yet when you place it side by side with a real map there will be no detectable difference as it follows all the rules. You are attempting to present maps that follow the rules but cannot show us that the lands are real.

LordReed:

Glad you've accepted you have not demonstrated that your god is real. That is all we care about.

Astark:
is your God scared of coronavirus? Why isn't your God protecting his children?..

I need answers not insults because I thought your God answers all things, or is he waiting to get the credit after scientist has solved it?.

I don't know how people still believe in something they have never seen, something their forefathers and ancestors were forced to worship by white men.

This is mental slavery

Humanoid01:

Has anyone ever put a gun to your head, and a knife to your neck and forced you to accept their religion? If you are not comfortable with people walking up to you and sharing their faith, you always have the option to decline. I don't have the time to argue this morning, I'm just here to express how fed up I am with the constant griping of your kind. Take it or leave it, religion will never end, no matter how much you lot gripe. Leave people to their beliefs.

kingxsamz:

Lol, mumu... Did atheists put a gun to your head too?

Humanoid01:

Your own mumu no be here.

RisenPhoenix:


Upon what basis of comparison are you basing this totally unconnected analogy? Please demonstrate the similarity.

If I were to use your analogy, it would be more like as if I was with a man on a ship going to a strange land which we have only heard of in reports. Upon getting close, I point to the sound of breaking waves, the calls of land birds flying low, the presence of tree trunks, coconuts and other land debris, and the inflow of fresh water into the sea under our ship, even the sight of the land with mountains and vegetation on the horizon; yet the man still insists with a sense of smugly superior 'intelligence' that unless he stands on his own two feet and gets to eat a spoonful of soil from the alleged land, all that he sees is explicable in other, albeit less logical, ways and the land is still completely fictitious as far as he is concerned.




I repeat that I was not attempting to. Neither was I attempting to demonstrate that e=mc2. I was only demonstrating that the premise for which this thread was opened is totally baseless.

LordReed:


Your argument that logical arguments prove god exists is like a man saying because a map exists then the land is real. Unless you are gullible you will recognize that not all maps point to real places no matter how carefully constructed the map, it is not proof that a place exists. The place must be shown to exist outside of a map. Pointing to logical arguments aka pointing to the map is not sufficient, no matter how insistent you are.

Thus we don't care what you are attempting as long as you can't demonstrate your god as real.

RisenPhoenix:


You are repeating yourself. And sounding like the blind man in the ship.

And I can demonstrate that a creator must exist; only not to people whose egos are strongly connected to the belief that he isn't. So strongly in fact, that they deny logic and reason and cling on to adamant denial for no reason other than it soothes their ego and their self delusion that they are smart and full of knowledge.

Have you heard the Arabic proverb that starts off;
"He who knows not and knows not that he knows not..."?

LordReed:


Yes I will repeat myself since understanding seems to be hard for you.

Logical arguments are not proof of reality, real things need to be demonstrated. A map is not reality, the place it depicts must be demonstrated to be real.

And once again since you can't demonstrate you god beyond logical arguments then we are not interested.

RisenPhoenix:


A map is not a logical premise. It is just a medium of presentation. Please stop repeating your illogical rubbish. I get that you have a 'local champion' reputation to defend but your childish tenacity in holding on to nonsense is getting boring. You really need to learn how to debate.

I leave you to the illogic which you seem to love so much. I am even starting to seriously doubt that you even understand what logic means.

LordReed:


LMFAO! You guys just get more ridiculous by the day. If you don't know what an analogy means then go look in a dictionary.

Bye, don't let the door hit ya where the lord split ya. Bwahahahahaha!

RisenPhoenix:


Silence is truly the best answer for your category.

LordReed:


All hot and bothered? Go take a cool shower. Bwahahahahaha!

Humanoid01:
[s]Las las, na hypertension go kill una, these atheists, since you have no focus in life besides mocking theists. Why don't you just relax and do your thing? Is anyone forcing religion up your asses? Why don't y'all just leave these people alone? If you think you're better than God and are convinced that He doesn't exist, then leave it at that, and go out there and do something about the current situation. If you can't, then just stfu! Una own don too much, wetin sef?[/s]

MJBOLT:

rumour has it that god is practising social distancing with his worshippers

RisenPhoenix:


No. The laugh's on you.

LordReed:


I thought you were gonna be silent? Bwahahahahaha!

RisenPhoenix:


Yes. Concerning the topic which your foolishness cannot encompass.

It is ok to bandy childish argument that stays at your current level of understanding.

Hakeem12:
When you have children, you don't even have to tell whether to believe in God or not. Just make sure they know their history first. Let them read books like The destruction of black civilization, Miseducation of the black negro by Godwin Woodson, The Africa Origins of Civilization by Anta Diop. Not only will they be very smart, they will never speak of anything religion any more. My sisters were die hard theists, refusing to listen to even anything I have to say that goes against their beliefs, I just begged them to read just the first book, and they can ignore me forever. Halfway through it, they became so resentful of religion and hated everything they have ever believed about it. Black people don't read, and that's why many of them will remain slaves forever. More insultive is white people saying "if you want to hide knowledge from a black man, put it in books, because they don't read."

LordReed:


Eyah still hot and bothered? Try the nearest swimming pool, just make sure you are the only one so that you don't catch coronavirus. Bwahahahahaha!

RisenPhoenix:


Sadly enough for you, I wasn't ever 'hot and bothered'. Are you?

LordReed:


Yeah that's why you've been bitching like a spurned ex girlfriend. Bwahahahahaha!

RisenPhoenix:


Really? You call that bitching? Well I can see one with your petty mentality would interprete it that way. In my mind, I was merely enlightening, but I guess not all minds are broad enough.

And is that bwahaha thing your new signature? Very edifying. Makes you seem smarter than you are; to those who 'reason' the way you do of course. Did you think of it on your own or did you have to hire an expert to formulate it for you?

LordReed:


Look at me totally not bitching. Bwahahahahaha!

RisenPhoenix:


Sounds forced to me. Cracking any?

LordReed:


Of course it sounds so through your whiny bitching. Bwahahahahaha!

PrincewithGod:
Psalm 41 : 1 - "The FOOL hath saith in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good".

RisenPhoenix:


You have truly lost it. Most unfortunate.

LordReed:


Bwahahahahaha! Keep bitching.