LordReed:


Civilisation was not built religion, don't be deceived. Civilisation was built on the realisation that cooperation was more beneficial than in-fighting. Religion is an attempt to stop people from arbitrarily changing societies laws by giving it the laws a veneer of divine approval. There were laws before any of the major religions surfaced. The development of religion came as a result of an attempt to deal with the sorrow of death. Even elephants have been shown to gather together to mourn the passing of one of them.

We have all manner of sub-societies that work well without religion. Professional bodies, all your law enforcement bodies, financial institutions, etc.

Buliwyf:


The sweet thing is that it is everlasting. You won't even get tired. You will just be banging and banging and banging and banging and...... LMAO

luvmijeje:


You are absolutely missing my point. The problem of Nigeria is not religion. It's failure of governance. We have no government. We have no institutions. If other countries are succeeding despite been religious, then religion is not the problem.

If not for religion Nigerians would be far worst than this.

Reality11:


Lol, after you claimed religion brings peace, orderliness...and so on

You even dare me to mention a country that is irreligious and peaceful

After I blew you with an answer you are now talking another different thing

So you agree religion doesn't make a country peaceful or orderly contrary to what you mentioned earlier.

Since religion can't give use road, infrastructure, social amenities, peace or orderliness.

Then what exactly is the usefulness of religion to a country?

luvmijeje:


You are absolutely missing my point. The problem of Nigeria is not religion. It's failure of governance. We have no government. We have no institutions. If other countries are succeeding despite been religious, then religion is not the problem.

If not for religion Nigerians would be far worst than this.

luvmijeje:


Religion is a tool of control. Religion is the only movement that I know that have succeeded in controlling man without force.

All the sub-societies you listed are made up of men who subscribed to it.

luvmijeje:


Everyone is not like you. Everyone is not strong like me. I have seen alot of threads on nairaland of people saying they want to commit suicide and for what? For things others sees as nothing. Everyone is not strong. Your breaking point is suicide for others. So I don't mind religion. We are not all strong and capable of being independent like you.

Being an Atheist is a gift. The ability to have the capacity to not believe in fairytale and still be able to face the oppositions of life is a gift. Religion gives hope, build faith and strengthen you in the midst of oppositions. We are not all strong like you. Don't deprive people of that.

elated177:


What is religion?

Reality11:



Jesus! The bolded, you must be joking right?

All the killings carried out by Islam if you dont subscribe to their religion or belive in god?

In the middle ages, women are burn on stake that they are witches, scientist killed,
Galileo was forced to withdrew his scientific discovery just because it didn't align with what the church teaches Christianity made to be the national religion by Constantine and co in other nations

Religion speaks ill of Gay, lesbians, transgender...? And speaks on way to deal with them?

Zamfara state used the state money to build mosque and send people to Hajj?

Anambra state used the state money to build church?

Recently, an academic symposium was prevented in OAU?

And you are saying what!!!!
Are these not forced?

GRIMMJOE:
This was emotional, it's the first time I've ever read something like this, most Christians usually lie to themselves till they start believing it, then proceed lying to others and get angry when they refuse to believe this lie.

luvmijeje:
That's your opinion. Religion has a lot of merits even though it's built on lies. There is one thing that is very difficult to control.... Man. Religion is the only movement that I know that have successfully master the art of controlling without force.

1. Without it there will chaos
2. Without it there will be no order
3. Without it there will be no society
4. Without it there will be no movement
5. Without it there will be no peace.

So are we experiencing any of this?
That means your point is useless since
Countries that are not religious experience this more than the religious ones.
So you need religion to do what is right? Isn't this sickening

luvmijeje:


Mention countries that are not religious and is peaceful.

There can't be a country that is 100% irreligious neither can there be a country that is 100% religious.

Since you claimed how a country is religious is the factor that determine how it would be peaceful, orderly...

Then we should expect countries with 90% adherents to religion to be more peaceful, orderly... Than a country with 40,50, 60, 70% population that are irreligious.

But no the reverse is the case. Nigeria, Afghanistan, somalia, congo... are extremely religious probably more than 90%. Are this countries peaceful and orderly?

While countries like Estonia, Netherland, Denmark, Sweden, Czech... That have good number of atheist and irreligious people tend to be more peaceful and orderly. Or are this countries not peaceful and orderly?

It shows you don't need religion to be peaceful and orderly!

luvmijeje:


You are absolutely missing my point. The problem of Nigeria is not religion. It's failure of governance. We have no government. We have no institutions. If other countries are succeeding despite been religious, then religion is not the problem.

If not for religion Nigerians would be far worst than this.

GRIMMJOE:

it's like you read my mind, who got that meme of a white man flogging a black slave to accept Jesus.

luvmijeje:


Religion is a tool of control. Religion is the only movement that I know that have succeeded in controlling man without force.

All the sub-societies you listed are made up of men who subscribed to it.

Reality11:


Just imagine the level of dishonesty? That religion is a movement that doesn't force people. Chai!

LordReed:


Exactly, we unwittingly subscribe to the societies we are born in.

GRIMMJOE:
It's no different from not being able to choose the tribe one is born into, his/her race.

Yet one of them was telling me I gave God permission to create me, who in his right mind will tell God to put him in a 3rd world country.

GRIMMJOE:
She probably doesn't know who a Templar is,
as for the dishonesty most Christian don't practice their faith, you wonder who is using all those hotels, who's drinking all those manufactured alcohol, yet they usually say this:

"It's better to live like there is God than to die to discover he exist"

But they forget that about 5000 Gods are involved, the chance of them going to heaven is 0.02%, and I haven't remove points from their God mistakes and inconsistencies, I still haven't removed points from the unrealistic standard this God set for them

At the end what you see are confused Nigerians just trying live through a hard economy without knowing what works.

beardlessdude:
Youre shaking a table you wont be able To balance alone.

reigncalif1:
BUT I STILL BELIEVED GOD DOES AND MUST EXIST ASIDES RELIGION BECAUSE WE actually DIDN'T COME OUT FROM NO WHERE. I DON'T BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION , IT FLAW'S THE LAW OF COMMON SENSE NEITHER DOES BIG BANG exist. SEEMS NOTHING CAN NOT COME OUT FROM NOTHING THEN THERE MUST BE GOD AND THERE MUST BE RELIGION ,THAT IS MY PROBLEM WITH SCIENCE IT can't POSSIBLY explained ANYTHING ABOUT HW SOMETHING can NOT COME OUT FROM NOTHING THEN BUAJJH THERE WAS BIG BANG. MY COMMON SENSE can't CONTAINS THIS .

Reality11:


Lol, and you didn't see the irony in your post?

Something cannot come from nothing but boom your God magically just appeared?

Where did God came from?

I do not have much understanding about big bang or evolution because am not even a scientist. When am knowledgeable about this two then I'll see if I can embrace them.

However your idea of religion and God has no evidence and proof. It only made claims out your inability to comprehend how the universe existed.

The same problem you have with big bang or evolution, lies also with your idea of God.

Where did your god came from? And back it up with evidence not just make claims.

I don't know how the universe came to exist. And I don't believe extraordinary things or claims without evidence.

realmindz:


Religion is not a religion....oh sorry, Christianity is not a religion or Islam is not a religion, it's the way of life....another lie told by religion to itself

Xavfra:





Christians are damn funny
.....
U just said that Yahweh isn't responsible for wars....so funny of you..that means he isn't omniscient or all powerful

GRIMMJOE:
His assertion is not for you to ascertain, you don't need mirroring someone's life to do the right thing, set your standard.

elated177:



How is YHVH responsible wars? Man is responsible for his actions which include wars.

elated177:



How is YHVH responsible wars? Man is responsible for his actions which include wars.

Reality11:


All this Christians that don't read their books.

All over the entire pages of your Bible YHVH has been instructions were kill the young, kill the old, kill all, the animal, massacre children, don't let anyone live.

Those ones are what, play abi?

Xavfra:



That means he's not omnipotent....

Isn't he the one who created man and put the feeling of fight in him?

elated177:



How is YHVH responsible wars? Man is responsible for his actions which include wars.