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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by persius555(m): 12:46pm On Apr 05, 2020
Skyfornia:
SMH...

I have noticed with increase how some certain people on this forum abuse other individuals whose views are contrary to their own belief or dogma instead of expressing their arguments in a more mature and reasonable way.

A journey through some of their previous comments you will also notice that some of these abusers are Atheists and people addicted to hard substances.

You go about pouring out your vituperations on every thread, creating nuisance and getting supports from your kinds...for your mind you feel say you be James Bond.

Now to the business of the day..

Some of you believe that some radiations can can attack a cell in human body.

You believe that consistent usage of x-ray machines can cause harm to the body.

You uses phones that recognizes your thumb, eyes and face and respond instantly.

You've seen or believe there's a technology that detects when someone lied.

Yet you find it difficult to believe that a technology such as 5G is harmful to humans or cannot have negative effects to a human body? Now I'm not saying that I have a proof of it's danger but the possibility cannot be neglected.

Your claim is that 5G is a non-ionizing radiation yet ultraviolet rays, Microwave which also are among the non-ionizing radiation are reported in most cases to be harmful to humans and animals.

Chinese, the originators of 5G are busy destroying the masts and you are inside your small village abusing and cussing them.

Your colonial masters are determined to destroy all 5G programs in their territories, and you that studied physics in one local university in Nigeria is out here exposing your ignorance.

I weep for you.

1. 5G did not originate in China. Huawei, the leading radio telecommunications equipment manufacturer is offering 5G radio equipment at very cheap prices compared to global competitors.
The South Koreans were first to launch 5G network back in early 2nd quarter, 2019.
5G is a global standards for mobile licensed Communication.

2. Microwave don't cause cancer. Microwaves cause water molecules to vibrate and that produces heat. The American Cancer Society (ACS) goes further to calm your nerves: “Microwaves…do not make food radioactive.

3. Long time exposure to UV light is dangerous to your eyesight. Isn't that why you are adviced to wear UV protection glass during eclipse.

4. During X-ray and MRI scans, you are are made to wears protectives over your eyes because they are high energy mmWaves of very short wavelengths. Short term exposure is what enables laboratory technicians take cathode images of your bones structure.

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by pocohantas(f): 12:46pm On Apr 05, 2020
Nice thread Mrphysics. Learnt something from the posts here. I know something like this can’t come out of our resident alfas.

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by IMASTEX: 12:46pm On Apr 05, 2020
mrphysics:

To end it, 5G network is not an ionizing radiation, and poses no harm to the body, well not anyone that has been experience now. It will take many years for one to experience any such effect (Which to me is not possible). Some of us have done X-rays, if only you knew you stood against an ionizing radiation, and yet still healthy, you won't be talking about 5G network.
What a beautiful write-up. I took my time to go through it. Funny enough, I just aligned my thought with yours few minutes on a WhatsApp group before this pieces made front page. I had to reference this link thereafter. I had submitted my thought on the logic that, if all bands have been without such issues why should 5g now.
Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by mrphysics(m): 12:46pm On Apr 05, 2020
babyfaceafrica:



We owe these guys appreciate and gratitude


What is this?.. Are they giving us free?.. Who begged them?.. They are making money from it handsomely so why should I thank them?.. With all the technology and civilization, Covid-19 humbled them all!!
grin grin grin you buy this, buy that. Yet your country can't even buy a technology to construct good roads, good network, and good infrastructure.

The only native technology you have is corruption and it's already dealing with us.

Come on!, appreciate them
Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by sureteeboy(m): 12:46pm On Apr 05, 2020
chukzie2002:


Ultrasound is not radioactive but it can be use to destroy cancer cells which is also harmful to the human body. The 5G is an EMI, electromagnetic interface...check the effect on human bodies yourself
Read about how High-intensity focused ultrasound (HIFU) works
Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by clemzo101(m): 12:46pm On Apr 05, 2020
6G is even loading, make una stay there dey make noise
Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by Mkmoney(m): 12:48pm On Apr 05, 2020
maasoap:


My point is that decision makers are not dumb like you. That's why there is 5G out there today
FG hasn't approved it go and hang yourself slowpoke
Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by InvertedHammer: 12:48pm On Apr 05, 2020
mrphysics:


If this is true as it is, when then do people claim a radio wave is harmful to the body?
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Read again. That was a question.

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by Nobody: 12:49pm On Apr 05, 2020
mrphysics:


You Nigerians are something else.

Most of you live by making high level statements backed up by Nothing and expect to shove it down the throats of learned people. grin grin grin

It doesn't work that way. You don't prove truth right, you prove it wrong. So start by proving the truths I wrote up there wrong. grin grin

Same thing I told my wife. It is difficult for we practical Engineers or scientists to be deceived. Science is all about proving, not just assuming 1+1 = 1. You have to prove every single scientific statement. Unfortunately, the quoted guy and his likes think science is religious or spiritual where you use your sentiments to assume and want to force it to learned minds. This is the same reason many pastors read the same bible but interpret it differently. Pastor Chris drew a tree trying to relate COVID-19 to 5G. But there was no correlation between them as there wasn't any relationship between biological virus to 5G (wavelength, spectrum, frequency etc)

Bro, you have done a good job trying to educate the public. It is left for them to learn, no need arguing with them. But one thing for sure is that they cant stop advancement of technology and neither will we stop at even the 5G. In the next 20years, 5G will be obsolete self

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by Agboriotejoye(m): 12:50pm On Apr 05, 2020
mrphysics:


It will help you because as it stands now, Nigeria does not have enough network to conduct online lectures or even to follow. Most Nigerians depend on big mb and Midnight to be able to make huge download.

If you keep relying on low network such as 4G, you will only be living in the past. Whereas the world is advancing, you guys are drawing us backwards, yet believe most of the magic performed by some fake pastors.

You guys won't stop drawing us backwards yet turn around to blame the government for lack of development.
How exactly is his quote drawing us back? Do we have 5g technology? All dis ur grammar, is it not huawei that will still come and deploy it? Can you generate the frequency by yourself here? Even the 4g, can you deploy it by yourselves? So how exactly is he drawing you back

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by Nat404: 12:50pm On Apr 05, 2020
GamalNasser:
As regards COVID 19 nobody is saying 5g causes cancer or spreads virus we are saying milimetre waves have been proven to suppress immune systems and affect biological being by many credible research and if this is so then why try to pass it off as completely safe ...it's is very misleading of you to use 5g FR1as your standard because 5g FR1 clearly doesn't depoly milimetre waves as the 5g we are talking of because most of the cities correlated with high infections and mortality deployed 5g FR2 at the 24ghz minimums ..For those who don't know the difference 5g FR1 is the attempt to transmit 5g using existing 4g hardware at no more than 6ghz ( which is still the frequency ceiling for 4g) and the results are just meagre 15% improvement to the capacity of 4g ..this was not the model of 5g transmission used in WUHAN , Italy and Newyork , london where where we have seen bandoleer 100 -200 metre FR2 street level antenna set up for transmission at 24ghz and more ... Below is are abstract highlights of research on Mice exposed to milimetre wave at a frequency of 24ghz at 10 watts and be the judge




I have also attached except of research on possible side effects of milimetre waves
They don't really understand how 5G works and its hazardous effects on human.

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by netflicks(m): 12:51pm On Apr 05, 2020
5G not causing any virus....but something is behind the urgent push to have it installed...

Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by dejt4u(m): 12:51pm On Apr 05, 2020
mrphysics:
.

Whenever you take flight from a particular place to another, you have absorbed more ionizing radiations that someone living 20km from a nuclear power plant. When you take 1-9 cigarettes a day, you take same risk as someone who took a dose of 3.4Sv from a bomb blast.


The words of MrPhysics grin grin grin
You did very well. In fact, I've been planning to make a write up like this here but I don't have to bother myself again. Thank you.

But I have problem with the quited part of your write up above most especially linking cigeratte smoking to an exposure of 3.4Sv.. I don't think that is through..
Even for radiation workers, the occupational dose limit is 50mSv per annum (0.05 Sv) and not exceeding 20mSv (0.02 Sv) over a 5 years average..

So it is not possible for smokers to be exposed to 3.4 Sv for smoking just a few sticks of cigarette..
In fact, 3Sv of radiation exposure can kill (lethality). Threshold values for cataract, sterility, epilation etc are far less than 3.4 Sv..
Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by mrphysics(m): 12:51pm On Apr 05, 2020
persius555:


1. 5G did not originate in China. Huawei, the leading radio telecommunications equipment manufacturer is offering 5G radio equipment at very cheap prices compared to global competitors.
The South Koreans were first to launch 5G network back in early 2nd quarter, 2019.
5G is a global standards for mobile licensed Communication.

2. Microwave don't cause cancer. Microwaves cause water molecules to vibrate and that produces heat. The American Cancer Society (ACS) goes further to calm your nerves: “Microwaves…do not make food radioactive.

3. Long time exposure to UV light is dangerous to your eyesight. Isn't that why you are adviced to wear UV protection glass during eclipse.

4. During X-ray and MRI scans, you are are made to wears protectives over your eyes because they are high energy mmWaves of very short wavelengths. Short term exposure is what enables laboratory technicians take cathode images of your bones structure.


This is absolutely correct and well highlighted.

In some therapeutic scans, patients are injected with radioisotopes with a very short half life. Even though they are radioactive, we all do know it does not pose any major risk to the health.

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by GodWrites: 12:51pm On Apr 05, 2020
Skyfornia:
SMH...

I have noticed with increase how some certain people on this forum abuse other individuals whose views are contrary to their own belief or dogma instead of expressing their arguments in a more mature and reasonable way.

A journey through some of their previous comments you will also notice that some of these abusers are Atheists and people addicted to hard substances.

You go about pouring out your vituperations on every thread, creating nuisance and getting supports from your kinds...for your mind you feel say you be James Bond.

Now to the business of the day..

Some of you believe that some radiations can can attack a cell in human body.

You believe that consistent usage of x-ray machines can cause harm to the body.

You uses phones that recognizes your thumb, eyes and face and respond instantly.

You've seen or believe there's a technology that detects when someone lied.

Yet you find it difficult to believe that a technology such as 5G is harmful to humans or cannot have negative effects to a human body? Now I'm not saying that I have a proof of it's danger but the possibility cannot be neglected.

Your claim is that 5G is a non-ionizing radiation yet ultraviolet rays, Microwave which also are among the non-ionizing radiation are reported in most cases to be harmful to humans and animals.

Chinese, the originators of 5G are busy destroying the masts and you are inside your small village abusing and cussing them.

Your colonial masters are determined to destroy all 5G programs in their territories, and you that studied physics in one local university in Nigeria is out here exposing your ignorance.

I weep for you.

Everything you spewed here was not backup up by any atom of proof. That is indeed the difference between the so-called atheists and believers like you.

Your lots are able to believe anything, proof or no proof. Even when proofs are staring you at the face, you still doubts.

But folks like you are ready to believe that a donkey talked, that the sun once stood still in the sky, and that the Noah flood happened with a book as the only empirical evidence of such occurrences.

Truly, your kind is drawing us back to the stone age.

The atheist, on the other hand, those folks you so much despise operates based on proofs and facts, not based on intuition or belief.

Next time, don't type such a long epistle without making any sense.

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by dederocs(m): 12:51pm On Apr 05, 2020
5g is a big business for the telecoms giant, we Nigerians wont gain much from it. lets look at other areas of development.
Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by cmooa: 12:52pm On Apr 05, 2020
This is a very cool analysis from that angle. However, you also need to relate this to:
1. Effect of the radiation with respect to what we eat and drink;

2. Effect of this high frequency with respect to the nutrients in us, both macro and micro;

3. We are carriers of organisms in our system, we also carry minute quantities of viruses in our body, what is the effect of this high frequency radiation on these various organisms and viruses?

I am of the view that your research is good but need to be broadened.

You need not to look at human flesh alone. Anyone that has ever received vaccine has millions of viruses in his system. They are inactive. How are you sure that certain frequency cannot agitate them?

My submission.

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by sureteeboy(m): 12:52pm On Apr 05, 2020
kingxsamz:


Take a look and free yourself from ignorance. The Chinese never destroyed any 5g masts.
Nice one. I weep for some guys on this platform. They are just irredeemably lost and nothing you tell them will ever change their mind.

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by Xisnin(m): 12:53pm On Apr 05, 2020
Skyfornia:
SMH...



Chinese, the originators of 5G are busy destroying the masts and you are inside your small village abusing and cussing them.

Your colonial masters are determined to destroy all 5G programs in their territories, and you that studied physics in one local university in Nigeria is out here exposing your ignorance.

I weep for you.

Is this a mature way to write?

You are lying as usual. Chinese are not destroying 5G masks.

People don't believe in technology, they see it working before their eyes.

Possibilities are the refuge of the ignorant.

It is possible you are not human or maybe even a Boko haram member, should people treat you differently?

Weep for yourself. I hope you don't have kids because it will be a tragedy to live
in an environment of superstition and ignorance.

5G is here and there is nothing you and your dumb pastor can do about it.
Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by Nobody: 12:53pm On Apr 05, 2020
People are not scared of going out in the sun but they are shitty scared of 5G. Such unwantomed ignorance...

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by persius555(m): 12:53pm On Apr 05, 2020
chukzie2002:


Ultrasound is not radioactive but it can be use to destroy cancer cells which is also harmful to the human body. The 5G is an EMI, electromagnetic interface...check the effect on human bodies yourself

Stop throwing acronyms around. EMW (electromagnetic waves) not EMI. Ultrasound used in the medical field are operated at power levels way higher compared to EMW used in mobile wireless communication (usually 48V for telecommunications cabinet).
Regulatory bodies are very, very, strict on enforcement

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by Adeoye11(m): 12:53pm On Apr 05, 2020
Proud of you bro and proud to be a physicist too..
And there is a code in the electromagnetic region dat higher frq will have low penetrating power and vice versa.

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by kem1394: 12:54pm On Apr 05, 2020
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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by babyfaceafrica: 12:55pm On Apr 05, 2020
mrphysics:

grin grin grin you buy this, buy that. Yet your country can't even buy a technology to construct good roads, good network, and good infrastructure.

The only native technology you have is corruption and it's already dealing with us.

Come on!, appreciate them

Appreciate faya... This country was far better before the whites came... Nansense people.. I know you are just another western asslicker.. Continue!!

Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by oxiide22(m): 12:55pm On Apr 05, 2020
mrphysics:
I went through this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/5774444/fact-check-coronavirus-caused-5g-technology by aminulive and while I appreciate what he has done, I think enough needs to be done to drive that point clearer to the Nigerian audience. However, my fear is that when scientist and health practitioners say something, most people, especially Nigerians will accept the ones coming from religious leaders.

I will try my best to explain in details what you should know about radiations.

Classifications of Radiations
They are two basic classification of radiations, they include:
1 Particle radiation: This contains charged and neutral particles
2. Electromagnetic radiation: (Photon flow. 5G belongs to this group.)

We can classify radiations according to their biological effects on matter, here, we have two types of radiations: Ionizing and non ionizing radiations.

You must have heard these two in recent times, so what is ionizing and non ionizing radiations?
a. Ionizing radiations: This means radiation have enough energy to eject one electron from the atom of the crossed material.
b. Non ionizing radiation: Particle energy is not enough to eject one electron from the atom, therefore it is said to have lower ionizing potential.

Great, let's advance further. The next question is, at what energy is a particle considered as ionizing? I won't waste much time here, so let's concentrate on 5G and their corresponding energy.

I am a graduate student of Nuclear Engineering. And in one of our course called Interaction of Radiation with Matter, we discussed everything about ionizing and non ionizing radiation.
Therefore, for tissues/matter consisting of Hydrogen, Carbon, Nitrogen, Oxygen (Which the human body fall under), radiations are considered as ionizing radiation if their energy is greater >> 12.4 eV (electron volt). The wavelength of such photon is 0.1um (micro meter). .

Using the relationship between energy and frequency, E = hf, I made a quick calculation and realized that the wavelength of such radiation must be 100nm (0.1um) and the frequency (Hz) is to the order of 3 x 10^15 hertz. We do know that the frequency of a 5G network (5 Giga hertz - 95 Giga hertz) and discovered that it's frequency is of the order of 10^9 hertz. which is million times lower than what is considered as ionizing. It therefore means that photons from a 5G network can never ionize the human body.

We know all these because to excite the electron from the ground state of a hydrogen atom to the first excitation state, you must have an energy of 13.6 eV. If you check the energy of a 5G wave, you will see it is approximately 0.00002 eV which is a million times lower than the fundamental energy of ionizing radiation.

Some persons have also linked it to cause cancer and the rest, this is not true. Of course there are two effects of radiations which is stochastic and deterministic effect. Deterministic effect occurs instantly and severity increases with radiation dose where as stochastic effect does not occur instantly but will take time to manifest.

Let me point out that, those who survived the Hiroshima and Nagazaki bomb blast and were followed in a study called Cohort Study, out of over 100k followed person, only about 2% died of cancer related cases which manifested about 50 years after the incident. Remember these people took many grays of highly ionizing radiations.

Whenever you take flight from a particular place to another, you have absorbed more ionizing radiations that someone living 20km from a nuclear power plant. When you take 1-9 cigarettes a day, you take same risk as someone who took a dose of 3.4Sv from a bomb blast.

To end it, 5G network is not an ionizing radiation, and poses no harm to the body, well not anyone that has been experience now. It will take many years for one to experience any such effect (Which to me is not possible). Some of us have done X-rays, if only you knew you stood against an ionizing radiation, and yet still healthy, you won't be talking about 5G network.

The words of MrPhysics grin grin grin
are u sure you are a nuclear physics graduate?
Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by 3kay945(m): 12:55pm On Apr 05, 2020
Ordinary kids toys ,. They cannot make/invent but they will be up and down claiming they know physics. grin
Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by GamalNasser: 12:55pm On Apr 05, 2020
clemzo101:
did you read your attachment at all? They said if exposed within few millimeters and long time exposure. Abeg, na inside 5G transmitter you dey live?

5g is called a milimetre wave because it's covers only a very small distance and most people will be just meters away from the source ..that physics dude was talking about 5NR FR1 transmitted from a 4 hardware at 2 to 6ghz and that's pseudo 5g and not a milimetre wave . milimetre wave antennas are set up lower to the ground and each antenna is very close to next , not the same as 4g hardware set 100s of feet into the air and kilometers apart

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by mrphysics(m): 12:57pm On Apr 05, 2020
oxiide22:
are u sure you are a nuclear physics graduate?

No sir.
Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by Xisnin(m): 12:57pm On Apr 05, 2020
mako007:
Must we use 5g? If the populace don't feel safe using it, irrespective of being correct or not I think it's best for it to be discontinued for a while till the world heals then we can start trials and see. Haba!
No, you don't have to use 5G.
Which populace don't feel safe?

Those who are struggling to feed themselves and have never even used the internet?

You must be full of yourself to think that you represent the populace.

BTW, why do you feel safe using 3G or 4G?

SMH

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by Dominatrix(f): 12:57pm On Apr 05, 2020
undecided
Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by Nobody: 12:58pm On Apr 05, 2020
kkins25:

everybody is fascinated at the birth of 5g, it is only nigeria that people think it is the devils handwork. my brother; sometimes i feel like in my previous life i was a bad person thats why i was sent to the slums of naija to receive discipline

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by maasoap(m): 12:58pm On Apr 05, 2020
Mkmoney:

FG hasn't approved it go and hang yourself slowpoke

They will, be rest assured. And as dumb as you are, you will use it.

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