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5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by mrphysics(m): 6:52am On Apr 05, 2020
I went through this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/5774444/fact-check-coronavirus-caused-5g-technology by aminulive and while I appreciate what he has done, I think enough needs to be done to drive that point clearer to the Nigerian audience. However, my fear is that when scientist and health practitioners say something, most people, especially Nigerians will accept the ones coming from religious leaders.

I will try my best to explain in details what you should know about radiations.

Classifications of Radiations
They are two basic classification of radiations, they include:
1 Particle radiation: This contains charged and neutral particles
2. Electromagnetic radiation: (Photon flow. 5G belongs to this group.)

We can classify radiations according to their biological effects on matter, here, we have two types of radiations: Ionizing and non ionizing radiations.

You must have heard these two in recent times, so what is ionizing and non ionizing radiations?
a. Ionizing radiations: This means radiation have enough energy to eject one electron from the atom of the crossed material.
b. Non ionizing radiation: Particle energy is not enough to eject one electron from the atom, therefore it is said to have lower ionizing potential.

Great, let's advance further. The next question is, at what energy is a particle considered as ionizing? I won't waste much time here, so let's concentrate on 5G and their corresponding energy.

I am a graduate student of Nuclear Engineering. And in one of our course called Interaction of Radiation with Matter, we discussed everything about ionizing and non ionizing radiation.
Therefore, for tissues/matter consisting of Hydrogen, Carbon, Nitrogen, Oxygen (Which the human body fall under), radiations are considered as ionizing radiation if their energy is greater >> 12.4 eV (electron volt). The wavelength of such photon is 0.1um (micro meter). .

Using the relationship between energy and frequency, E = hf, I made a quick calculation and realized that the wavelength of such radiation must be 100nm (0.1um) and the frequency (Hz) is to the order of 3 x 10^15 hertz. We do know that the frequency of a 5G network (5 Giga hertz - 95 Giga hertz) and discovered that it's frequency is of the order of 10^9 hertz. which is million times lower than what is considered as ionizing. It therefore means that photons from a 5G network can never ionize the human body.

We know all these because to excite the electron from the ground state of a hydrogen atom to the first excitation state, you must have an energy of 13.6 eV. If you check the energy of a 5G wave, you will see it is approximately 0.00002 eV which is a million times lower than the fundamental energy of ionizing radiation.

Some persons have also linked it to cause cancer and the rest, this is not true. Of course there are two effects of radiations which is stochastic and deterministic effect. Deterministic effect occurs instantly and severity increases with radiation dose where as stochastic effect does not occur instantly but will take time to manifest.

Let me point out that, those who survived the Hiroshima and Nagazaki bomb blast and were followed in a study called Cohort Study, out of over 100k followed person, only about 2% died of cancer related cases which manifested about 50 years after the incident. Remember these people took many grays of highly ionizing radiations.

Whenever you take flight from a particular place to another, you have absorbed more ionizing radiations that someone living 20km from a nuclear power plant. When you take 1-9 cigarettes a day, you take same risk as someone who took a dose of 3.4Sv from a bomb blast.

To end it, 5G network is not an ionizing radiation, and poses no harm to the body, well not anyone that has been experience now. It will take many years for one to experience any such effect (Which to me is not possible). Some of us have done X-rays, if only you knew you stood against an ionizing radiation, and yet still healthy, you won't be talking about 5G network.

The words of MrPhysics grin grin grin

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by Karex81(m): 7:54am On Apr 05, 2020
Op nice wan
Modified:
FTC for the first time in nairaland, shout out to those doctors, scientist and nurses who risks their life to battle covid-19. I pray that all of us will live to see the end of it.

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by NextD18: 8:00am On Apr 05, 2020
MrPhysics my man! If only you know how I passed Physics in my secondary school, Waec, Jamb and 100Lvl, you wouldn't have mentioned me here.

Na you be Ionizing radiation. cheesy cheesy grin

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by babyfaceafrica: 8:19am On Apr 05, 2020
Who 5g help?

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by mrphysics(m): 8:20am On Apr 05, 2020
NextD18:
MrPhysics my man! If only you know how I passed Physics in my secondary school, Waec, Jamb and 100Lvl, you wouldn't have mentioned me here.

Na you be Ionizing radiation. cheesy cheesy grin

Lol, sorry bro. I understand.



dominique, Sissy3, lalasticlala, mynd44, let's get this topic to front

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by mrphysics(m): 8:25am On Apr 05, 2020
babyfaceafrica:
Who 5g help?

It will help you because as it stands now, Nigeria does not have enough network to conduct online lectures or even to follow. Most Nigerians depend on big mb and Midnight to be able to make huge download.

If you keep relying on low network such as 4G, you will only be living in the past. Whereas the world is advancing, you guys are drawing us backwards, yet believe most of the magic performed by some fake pastors.

You guys won't stop drawing us backwards yet turn around to blame the government for lack of development.

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by NextD18: 8:25am On Apr 05, 2020
mrphysics:


Lol, sorry bro. I understand.



dominique, Sissy3, lalasticlala, mynd44, let's get this topic to front
Jokes apart bruv. I read everything, it's a nice piece of information.

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by mrphysics(m): 8:35am On Apr 05, 2020
NextD18:

Jokes apart bruv. I read everything, it's a nice piece of information.

Thanks bro

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by smeag0l(m): 9:01am On Apr 05, 2020
Thanks for the nice piece, mr physics. Indeed, 5G emissions are just radio waves that lie on the far left of the electromagnetic spectrum while the X-rays and gamma rays are on the far right cos of their higher frequencies and ionization potential. A wave really has to be radioactive to be harmful to humans and even at that, the harm isnt immediate. The conspiracy theory is just unfounded.

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by Skyfornia(m): 9:15am On Apr 05, 2020
SMH...

I have noticed with increase how some certain people on this forum abuse other individuals whose views are contrary to their own belief or dogma instead of expressing their arguments in a more mature and reasonable way.

A journey through some of their previous comments you will also notice that some of these abusers are Atheists and people addicted to hard substances.

You go about pouring out your vituperations on every thread, creating nuisance and getting supports from your kinds...for your mind you feel say you be James Bond.

Now to the business of the day..

Some of you believe that some radiations can can attack a cell in human body.

You believe that consistent usage of x-ray machines can cause harm to the body.

You uses phones that recognizes your thumb, eyes and face and respond instantly.

You've seen or believe there's a technology that detects when someone lied.

Yet you find it difficult to believe that a technology such as 5G is harmful to humans or cannot have negative effects to a human body? Now I'm not saying that I have a proof of it's danger but the possibility cannot be neglected.

Your claim is that 5G is a non-ionizing radiation yet ultraviolet rays, Microwave which also are among the non-ionizing radiation are reported in most cases to be harmful to humans and animals.

Chinese, the originators of 5G are busy destroying the masts and you are inside your small village abusing and cussing them.

Your colonial masters are determined to destroy all 5G programs in their territories, and you that studied physics in one local university in Nigeria is out here exposing your ignorance.

I weep for you.

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by BroOptimist(m): 9:42am On Apr 05, 2020
mrphysics:
I went through this thread https://www.nairaland.com/5774444/fact-check-coronavirus-caused-5g-technology by aminulive and while I appreciate what he has done, I think enough needs to be done to drive that point clearer to the Nigerian audience. However, my fear is that when scientist and health practitioners say something, most people, especially Nigerians will accept the ones coming from religious leaders.

I will try my best to explain in details what you should know about radiations.

Classifications of Radiations
They are two basic classification of radiations, they include:
1 Particle radiation: This contains charged and neutral particles
2. Electromagnetic radiation: (Photon flow. 5G belongs to this group.)

We can classify radiations according to their biological effects on matter, here, we have two types of radiations: Ionizing and non ionizing radiations.

You must have heard these two in recent times, so what is ionizing and non ionizing radiations?
a. Ionizing radiations: This means radiation have enough energy to eject one electron from the atom of the crossed material.
b. Non ionizing radiation: Particle energy is not enough to eject one electron from the atom, therefore it is said to have lower ionizing potential.

Great, let's advance further. The next question is, at what energy is a particle considered as ionizing? I won't waste much time here, so let's concentrate on 5G and their corresponding energy.

I am a graduate student of Nuclear Engineering. And in one of our course called Interaction of Radiation with Matter, we discussed everything about ionizing and non ionizing radiation.
Therefore, for tissues/matter consisting of Hydrogen, Carbon, Nitrogen, Oxygen (Which the human body fall under), radiations are considered as ionizing radiation if their energy is greater >> 12.4 eV (electron volt). The wavelength of such photon is 0.1um (micro meter). .

Using the relationship between energy and frequency, E = hf, I made a quick calculation and realized that the wavelength of such radiation must be 100nm (0.1um) and the frequency (Hz) is to the order of 3 x 10^15 hertz. We do know that the frequency of a 5G network (5 Giga hertz - 95 Giga hertz) and discovered that it's frequency is of the order of 10^9 hertz. which is million times lower than what is considered as ionizing. It therefore means that photons from a 5G network can never ionize the human body.

We know all these because to excite the electron from the ground state of a hydrogen atom to the first excitation state, you must have an energy of 13.6 eV. If you check the energy of a 5G wave, you will see it is approximately 0.00002 eV which is a million times lower than the fundamental energy of ionizing radiation.

Some persons have also linked it to cause cancer and the rest, this is not true. Of course there are two effects of radiations which is stochastic and deterministic effect. Deterministic effect occurs instantly and severity increases with radiation dose where as stochastic effect does not occur instantly but will take time to manifest.

Let me point out that, those who survived the Hiroshima and Nagazaki bomb blast and were followed in a study called Cohort Study, out of over 100k followed person, only about 2% died of cancer related cases which manifested about 50 years after the incident. Remember these people took many grays of highly ionizing radiations.

Whenever you take flight from a particular place to another, you have absorbed more ionizing radiations that someone living 20km from a nuclear power plant. When you take 1-9 cigarettes a day, you take same risk as someone who took a dose of 3.4Sv from a bomb blast.

To end it, 5G network is not an ionizing radiation, and poses no harm to the body, well not anyone that has been experience now. It will take many years for one to experience any such effect (Which to me is not possible). Some of us have done X-rays, if only you knew you stood against an ionizing radiation, and yet still healthy, you won't be talking about 5G network.

The words of MrPhysics grin grin grin

seun, lalasticlala, mynd44, amunilive , NextD18, Tosyne2much, ishilove, jukumo, we need to get Nigerians well informed.





OP, thank you for this useful information.

Nice one!

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by mako007(m): 9:50am On Apr 05, 2020
Must we use 5g? If the populace don't feel safe using it, irrespective of being correct or not I think it's best for it to be discontinued for a while till the world heals then we can start trials and see. Haba!

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by mrphysics(m): 9:53am On Apr 05, 2020
smeag0l:
Thanks for the nice piece, mr physics. Indeed, 5G emissions are just radio waves that lie on the far left of the electromagnetic spectrum while the X-rays and gamma rays are on the far right cos of their higher frequencies and ionization potential. A wave really has to be radioactive to be harmful to humans and even at that, the harm isnt immediate. The conspiracy theory is just unfounded.
Exactly, harmful radioactive waves come from radioactive sources and not electromagnetic frequencies emitting only photons.

Radioactive waves are usually, alpha, beta, gamma, X-ray or neutrons which are harmful and can even be shielded to some extent depending on the kind of radiation it is.

I was overwhelmed that people could speak authoritatively on things they do not understand.



Cc edidiongmichael, GuestLog (read bro and stop spreading rumour), GboyegaD, jayfolarin, Ofirmee

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by mrphysics(m): 9:56am On Apr 05, 2020
Skyfornia:
SMH...

Now to the business of the day..

Some of you believe that some radiations can can attack a cell in human body.

You believe that consistent usage of x-ray machines can cause harm to the body.

You uses phones that recognizes your thumb, eyes and face and respond instantly.

You've seen or believe there's a technology that detects when someone lied.

Yet you find it difficult to believe that a technology such as 5G is harmful to humans or cannot have negative effects to a human body? Now I'm not saying that I have a proof of it's danger but the possibility cannot be neglected.

Your claim is that 5G is a non-ionizing radiation yet ultraviolet rays, Microwave which also are among the non-ionizing radiation are reported in most cases to be harmful to humans and animals.

Chinese, the originators of 5G are busy destroying the masts and you are inside your small village abusing and cussing them.

Your colonial masters are determined to destroy all 5G programs in their territories, and you that studied physics in one local university in Nigeria is out here exposing your ignorance.

I weep for you.

@ the emboldened. If you don't have proofs, why not learn from the proofs that have been provided? Or you want to keep holding onto your conspiracy theory hoping it becomes true? Facts has been raised above, you read it and you don't want to believe it because you so much want yours to be true.

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by mrphysics(m): 10:03am On Apr 05, 2020
mako007:
Must we use 5g? If the populace don't feel safe using it, irrespective of being correct or not I think it's best for it to be discontinued for a while till the world heals then we can start trials and see. Haba!
But you will keep complaining of network problem? How do you want to develop your country if you allow religion to becloud your sense of judgement? Is that how civilized countries think?

You were shown facts and figures and you want the entire country to remain primitive because of the opinions and views of religious people who do not understand the concept?

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by kkins25(m): 10:13am On Apr 05, 2020
mrphysics:

But you will keep complaining of network problem? How do you want to develop your country if you allow religion to becloud your sense of judgement? Is that how civilized countries think?

You were shown facts and figures and you want the entire country to remain primitive because of the opinions and views of religious people who do not understand the concept?
everybody is fascinated at the birth of 5g, it is only nigeria that people think it is the devils handwork. my brother; sometimes i feel like in my previous life i was a bad person thats why i was sent to the slums of naija to receive discipline

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by mako007(m): 10:19am On Apr 05, 2020
mrphysics:

But you will keep complaining of network problem? How do you want to develop your country if you allow religion to becloud your sense of judgement? Is that how civilized countries think?

You were shown facts and figures and you want the entire country to remain primitive because of the opinions and views of religious people who do not understand the concept?


Bro I'm texting you via 3G right now, 5G doesn't guarantee we won't have network problem, stay woke!

I'm not into the theory of 5g being the cause for covid-19 outbreak or not , I'm only saying since this same 5g is for the people and the people don't trust it in these perilous time when all we want is just to breathe then it should be discontinued till this outbreak is fully contained. Government of the people, for the people and by the people, right?

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by mrphysics(m): 10:56am On Apr 05, 2020
mako007:


Bro I'm texting you via 3G right now, 5G doesn't guarantee we won't have network problem, stay woke!

I'm not into the theory of 5g being the cause for covid-19 outbreak or not , I'm only saying since this same 5g is for the people and the people don't trust it in these perilous time when all we want is just to breathe then it should be discontinued till this outbreak is fully contained. Government of the people, for the people and by the people, right?
What a way to think about it. So once a group of rumor mongers and propagators raise the air on anything again, then the government should discontinue it?

What a way to live. How did we get to this point?

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by mako007(m): 11:24am On Apr 05, 2020
mrphysics:

What a way to think about it. So once a group of rumor mongers and propagators raise the air on anything again, then the government should discontinue it?

What a way to live. How did we get to this point?

We just want to breathe.

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by mrphysics(m): 11:46am On Apr 05, 2020
mako007:


We just want to breathe.

Yeah, it's fine but you have to breathe well. We are all breathing in Nigeria, yet asking the government for amenities that will enable us breathe effectively.

For instance, I am in France, internet seem to be nothing here, telephone calls too, text messages. But in Nigeria, this is not the case. People pay high too for internet but get poor network, data that gets exhausted within hours.


You want us to keep living this way? Can you compare it's risk to the risk of driving from Abuja to Enugu or Lagos? How about the risk of driving from Abuja to Kaduna? Which one poses more risk than the other? 5G or the ones I mentioned?

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by UncleSege75(m): 11:47am On Apr 05, 2020
I honestly can't say

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by NaijaOlosho(f): 11:47am On Apr 05, 2020
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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by 989900: 11:48am On Apr 05, 2020
*RE: 5G Rumours/Conspiracy*

There are concerns i.e. having multiple millimetre wave equipment with massive MIMOs around us without adequate health safety testing (even though they are non-ionizing and massive MIMOs are existing already to an extent in 4G LTE . . . shouldn't cause major health issues), but not those falsehoods trending.

Just as there are concerns about 2G, 3G, 4G, cordless land phones, Bluetooth, WiFi, etc.
In the present and in practice, you should be more worried about how long you place your existing mobile phone(s) to your head receiving calls.

Moderation and mode of use is very important (distance and duration).

If science is correct, UV rays from the sun is ionizing and many, many, times more dangerous than 5G, plugging a Bluetooth headset into your ear for hours is more hazardous than normal use of 5G.
Cooking with oils that's none of extra virgin OLIVE OIL in tinted glass container, coconut oil, palm oil, groundnut oil (peanut oil) and a few other safe ones is more hazardous than 5G.

The present 5Gs available would still be working on the same frequency bracket as does 4G for now.


*P.S.* If you're a conspiracy theory junkie, take this for fact based conspiracy theory: Huawei has surpassed Apple in mobile phone sales, it is threatening to surpass Samsung despite its US ban.

OTOH, Huawei is embroiled in multiple legal suits and countersuits all over the world bordering on espionage, staff abuse, book cooking, tech-theft, Chinese government funding/control, etc.

Guess who's pioneering 5G network (end to end)? Huawei.

Success breeds enemies (virtual and real) -- especially this kind of crooked/complicated success.

Personal Verdict: 5G tech operating at the present 4G bracket (mostly 2GHZ-6GHZ) should be allowed, while further health concern testings are carried out regarding the millimetre wave higher frequencies band (FR2@24GHZ+).

Public places might be a good place to start with the higher frequencies 5G tech (FR2 @ 24GHZ+).


--@cartracker9ja

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by Buliwyf: 11:48am On Apr 05, 2020
Thanks MrPhysics.

Unfortunately the morons peddling those false claims do not care about logic or knowledge in the first place.

5G is not even more powerful than 4G. Unlike what the fake Oyakhilome claims. 5G by its very nature is just capable of evacuating a much larger amount of data at once.

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by Ednova: 11:49am On Apr 05, 2020
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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by GamalNasser: 11:49am On Apr 05, 2020
As regards COVID 19 nobody is saying 5g causes cancer or spreads virus we are saying milimetre waves have been proven to suppress immune systems and affect biological being by many credible research and if this is so then why try to pass it off as completely safe ...it's is very misleading of you to use 5g FR1as your standard because 5g FR1 clearly doesn't depoly milimetre waves as the 5g we are talking of because most of the cities correlated with high infections and mortality deployed 5g FR2 at the 24ghz minimums ..For those who don't know the difference 5g FR1 is the attempt to transmit 5g using existing 4g hardware at no more than 6ghz ( which is still the frequency ceiling for 4g) and the results are just meagre 15% improvement to the capacity of 4g ..this was not the model of 5g transmission used in WUHAN , Italy and Newyork , london where where we have seen bandoleer 100 -200 metre FR2 street level antenna set up for transmission at 24ghz and more ... Below is are abstract highlights of research on Mice exposed to milimetre wave at a frequency of 24ghz at 10 watts and be the judge


Abstract
The effect of low-level millimeter fractionated radiation on the production of tumor necrosis factor, intreleukin-2, interleukine-3, and nitric oxide and on the activity of natural killer cells and proliferation of T and B lymphocytes in mice was studied. Cell activity was measured in four groups of male Balb/c mice (control, exposed, tumor-bearing unexposed, and exposed tumor-bearing animals) within 30 days of tumoral growth and microwave exposure (42.2 GHz, 10 Hz amplitude modulation, 0.5 microW/cm2, 1.5 h daily). A significant increase in the production of tumor necrosis factor and nitric oxide and in the activity of natural killer cells was observed at the early stage of tumor development; this effect was considered as adaptive response. In healthy mice, millimeter radiation produced both stimulating and immunodepressive effects.


I have also attached except of research on possible side effects of milimetre waves

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by joshjc(m): 11:50am On Apr 05, 2020
Nice analysis,but they won't read and learn or listen to those who are experts in physics,but they will rather listen to pastors who are trying to remain relevant, after failing to predict the outbreak of covid 19, religious leaders has always been against breakthrough in science,eg IVF,space exploration and many more

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by Jh0wsef(m): 11:50am On Apr 05, 2020
I wish they could isolate this OP with one of these 5G masts.. When they open the door, even your teeth for don melt finish gringrin

Believe it or not. That 5G radiation no be here at all

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by Liveair: 11:50am On Apr 05, 2020
The truth is 5G tech is a Trillion Dollar industry for future connected world, where the USA is losing a major market share to China.
So, they are employing western media to vilify China by starting with her largest player, HUAWEI.
Ask yourself, what has virus (micro organism) with wireless tech?
Which virus was associated with 4G and 3G, since wireless transmission now creates viruses?

Am sure its now clear to the world that Sadam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction - the reason the USA gave for invading Iraq.

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Re: 5G Network: Can It Cause Cancer or COVID-19? by wiseone28: 11:50am On Apr 05, 2020

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